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05:09:09 <Gringoloco> How are you getting on with registring libraries ? Using the CLSID to find the locally installed anyway?
05:17:36 <ChrisMorgan> Gringoloco: I haven't had time to fiddle with it just yet.
05:24:08 <Gringoloco> Winamp would be very happy with that (and installing drivers), it would really justify using PAL 2.1
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05:25:17 <pa_1581> Hi, I seem to remember Pidgin Portable used to not allow more than one instance run at a time, however my install does. Am I correct?
05:36:50 <ChrisMorgan> pa_1581: that's a limitation of the launcher which I believe still holds.
05:39:23 <pa_1581> so is it supposed to only allow one instance?
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07:29:13 <Gringoloco> Ok, I'm convinced, just porting everything to PAL 2.1
07:29:51 <ChrisMorgan> :-)
07:30:36 <Gringoloco> Just found one issue with directoriesMove, but could be my fault
07:31:05 <Gringoloco> settings\Winamp=%TEMP%\Settings
07:31:08 <Gringoloco> vs.
07:31:09 <Gringoloco> settings\Winamp=%TEMP%\Settings\Winamp
07:31:55 <ChrisMorgan> Remember the target is the *full path*
07:32:10 <ChrisMorgan> As noted in the manual.
07:32:23 <Gringoloco> The first was working as ( I ) expected in PAL 2.0, but in PAL 2.1 it moved everything to %TEMP%\Winamp
07:32:40 <ChrisMorgan> And I would say, avoid \ in the source.
07:33:10 <ChrisMorgan> Possibly a bug in your wildcard stuff? Try undoing just that bit and see if it changes the behaviour.
07:34:29 <Gringoloco> Definitly it's in the WIldcard stuff, but when I made the wildcard stuff, I thought that full target was needed (as it does) so more a bug in my launcher.ini
07:35:44 <Gringoloco> The wildcard stuff needs to discard the target 'filename', as it could have a wildcard in it
07:36:26 <ChrisMorgan> Sorry, got to put tea on, be back shortly.
07:36:30 <Gringoloco> so it needs to use the source 'filename', as the full name was found in the source
07:45:28 <ChrisMorgan> I'm not quite understanding - what (if anything) needs to be changed?
07:46:57 <Gringoloco> With target is fullpath, you are meaning the launcher.ini needs to be...
07:46:59 <Gringoloco> [DirectoriesMove]
07:47:00 <Gringoloco> settings\Winamp=%TEMP%\Settings\Winamp
07:47:36 <Gringoloco> to move all to %TEMP%\Settings\Winamp ?
07:49:02 <ChrisMorgan> That should copy settings\Winamp\*.* to %TEMP%\Settings\Winamp\*.*
07:49:11 <ChrisMorgan> Copy/move
07:49:44 <ChrisMorgan> But I don't like slashes in the source path, myself.
07:49:52 <Gringoloco> yep, so filesmove target is not full path, but directoriesmove target is full path
07:50:11 <Gringoloco> I'll deal with the slashes in the source path later
07:51:02 <ChrisMorgan> Correct.
07:52:27 <Gringoloco> So, it was a fault in my launcher.ini, but if the faulth is there PAL 2.1 directoriesmove behaves different.
07:54:12 <Gringoloco> Should we be taking this to -dev?
07:56:09 <Gringoloco> What is it you do not like about the slash in the source path? I could make it something like WinampSettings=%TEMP%\Settings\Winamp
07:57:38 <ChrisMorgan> I don't understand - what is the fault in your launcher.ini?
07:58:23 <ChrisMorgan> In that RFC post I explained in one of the comments why I don't like slashes. It requires the parent directory to be there and people-in-general are too likely to forget to have the parent directory in DefaultData.
07:59:22 <Gringoloco> It used to say: [DirectoriesMove]
07:59:23 <Gringoloco> settings\Winamp=%TEMP%\Settings, but somehow PAL 2.0 was copying it to %TEMP%\Settings\Winamp\*.* anyway
08:00:28 <Gringoloco> Hmm, wait maybe I did change something else aswell in the process of porting everything to PAL 2.1
08:09:17 <Gringoloco> I'm not sure what I done anymore, it's somewhere else, I'll tell you if I know more
08:10:54 <ChrisMorgan> Strange. That shouldn't be happening and I've never seen it happen for me.
08:11:32 <Gringoloco> Do not worry, probably somewhere I'm doing something wrong
08:16:43 <Gringoloco> ChrisMorgan: I've got it, it's a major bug in DirectoriesMove, whenever there is no wildcards used ! So long for my initial testing :-(
08:18:24 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm. I didn't spot it when I went over your code.
08:20:20 <Gringoloco> Whenever wildcards are used it needs to discard the target path-name and use the source path-name, but this is unwanted when no wildcards are used. I'll try to fix this with ${If} ${WildcardExists}
08:30:08 * Gringoloco wonders if there would be anny app what would ever use wildcards to move dirrectories ?
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10:55:00 <M4T1A5> wildcards
10:55:04 <M4T1A5> what nonsence
10:55:11 <M4T1A5> regexes are the way to go
10:55:46 <ChrisMorgan> M4T1A5: very well, please provide a regular expression parser smaller than 4KB which will work in NSIS.
10:56:42 <M4T1A5> i believe i need to write it first
10:57:25 <M4T1A5> is 99KB okay?
10:57:29 <M4T1A5> http://nsis.sourceforge.net/NSISpcre_plug-in
10:59:46 <M4T1A5> (and no i did not write that in 30 seconds)
11:01:04 <ChrisMorgan> 99KB is much too big. If such a thing could be done in 10KB or even 20KB (and if it could deal with find/replace in a file) I would have included it. But it's too big, and too limited in functionality.
11:01:20 <ChrisMorgan> And with files and directories, wildcards are about all you'll ever want.
11:04:02 <M4T1A5> well maybe
11:04:09 <M4T1A5> but what about strings? :P
11:11:12 <ChrisMorgan> To be much use it'd need to be able to run the regular expression on the contents of the file and write to file. Even then it'd be a lot slower than the current solution.
11:18:20 <M4T1A5> and what is the current solution?
11:24:58 <ChrisMorgan> textreplace plugin
11:25:26 <M4T1A5> ok
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13:01:47 <Gringoloco> Looks like quite an amazing plug-in, but definitly too much for what we need
13:05:01 <ChrisMorgan> Personally I don't think it's too much but rather too little (of "helper functionality" like replace in file) - and too big. I looked at it way back but decided against using it at all.
13:17:43 <ChrisMorgan> *sob* so much trouble over such a little thing... /why/ did Ubuntu switch from Sun Java to OpenJDK Java and the IcedTea plugin which just doesn't work on some things?
13:19:01 <ChrisMorgan> At least now I've got Processing applets working with the Sun Java plugin... but at least inside the applet, Beads doesn't seem to work on Linux or Linux Sun Java... if you've got Java set up on Windows, you could see if http://www.beadsproject.net/examples/Lesson10_Interaction/applet/index.html works on Windows. It's a fascinating applet to play with.
13:19:33 <ChrisMorgan> Here I'm just getting the flat pink line and no audio coming out :-(
13:24:51 <M4T1A5> ChrisMorgan: it's not sun java
13:25:10 <ChrisMorgan> What do you mean?
13:25:15 <M4T1A5> it's oracle
13:25:22 <ChrisMorgan> The plug-in is still Sun Java.
13:25:45 <ChrisMorgan> Oracle is the parent company, and they own the copyright, but the plugin is still called Sun Java.
13:25:54 <ChrisMorgan> Even though it's produced now by Oracle.
13:25:58 <M4T1A5> http://www.java.com/en/ it doesn't say sun in there anywhere
13:27:04 <M4T1A5> it's not officially sun java
13:27:10 <M4T1A5> people just keep calling it that
13:27:27 <M4T1A5> (and yes so do i)
13:28:07 <Gizmokid2005> Right. It's always been the "Java Plug-in" never the Sun java plugin
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13:29:38 <ChrisMorgan> In Ubuntu the package is Sun Java, and that's what I'm dealing with. (And in 9.10 it /was/ Sun, too).
13:30:03 <M4T1A5> well im using linux mint 9 anyways
13:30:16 <Drive-Dude> Hi I have to konw does GIMP Portable have GAP (the GIMP Animation Package) installed
13:30:43 <Drive-Dude> I mead I wante to know
13:30:48 <Drive-Dude> mean
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13:33:05 <droople> hi Guys
13:33:51 <M4T1A5> if it's a default plugin i guess it's in there
13:34:27 <droople> can anyone tell me the difference between PA.c Installer and PA.c Launcher? thanx
13:34:48 <M4T1A5> isn't that kinda obvious?
13:34:50 <Gizmokid2005> droople: the PA.c Installer is to package apps into an installer
13:34:57 <Gizmokid2005> and the PA.c launcher is to create a launcher for an application
13:35:02 <Gizmokid2005> much like the names imply...
13:36:31 <Drive-Dude> When laucnhers the softwares and the other creates installers for the softwares
13:36:48 <ChrisMorgan> Drive-Dude: refer to http://portableapps.com/search/node/GAP
13:36:49 <droople> thank you Gizmokid, I understand what does Installer do, but I'm not sure why we need a launcher, doesn't it install to the menu?
13:36:51 <Drive-Dude> Is that right?
13:37:05 <ChrisMorgan> droople: the launcher is to make it portable.
13:37:10 <ChrisMorgan> The installer is just a way of distributing it.
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13:37:35 <Gizmokid2005> droople: unless you're a developer, both of those "apps" are useless to you
13:38:21 <Drive-Dude> Thanks for the help
13:38:50 <Drive-Dude> Have a Nice Day or Night
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13:39:08 <droople> i want to put some small apps into the menu, so I want to know what should I do. My understanding is that the Installer can build a installation file, and anyone can use this file install the app
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13:39:22 <droople> but I don't understand what's the launcher for?
13:39:32 <Gizmokid2005> .def addingapps
13:39:33 <GizmoBot> addingapps is about adding applications to the PortableApps.com Menu; read http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#addingapps for details.
13:39:35 <Gizmokid2005> .def field_guide
13:39:35 <GizmoBot> field_guide is here: http://portableapps.com/node/14868
13:39:44 <Gizmokid2005> droople: both of those links will be of use to you ^^
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13:40:09 <GizmoBot> chazz is the guy who failed at developing stuff. :D
13:40:10 <ChrisMorgan> droople: the launcher is for making something portable.
13:42:11 <droople> Thank you for the links, I
13:42:19 <droople> I'll read them
13:43:19 <droople> ChrisMorgan, if an app doesn't need to install to run, do I still need to use the launcher?
13:43:53 <Gizmokid2005> droople: sometimes, yes.
13:43:56 <ChrisMorgan> It depends. If it works across computers and it's for your own personal use and you don't mind if it leaves things behind, no. If you want it to be properly portable, yes.
13:44:52 <droople> Gizmokid2005,ChrisMorgan: thank you for the help, a silly question, what's properly portable?, no trace left on the computers?
13:45:00 <ChrisMorgan> More or less.
13:45:06 <Gizmokid2005> yeah...pretty much
13:45:22 <Gizmokid2005> it doesn't leave any user data behind and leaves the system as "untouched" as possible after you stop the app
13:45:24 <ChrisMorgan> There are also other conveniences like updating drive letters in "most recently used" lists and things like that.
13:46:22 <droople> I got it, thank you so much. Have a nice day or night.
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14:08:03 <IVIaxPow3r> hello :) I had a quick question that isn't exactly "support" but I wondering how I go about requesting an app be "portablized"
14:10:18 <Gizmokid2005> IVIaxPow3r: post a topic in the "Request Apps" forum...
14:10:38 <IVIaxPow3r> thanks
14:10:42 <Gizmokid2005> you're welcome
14:11:21 <IVIaxPow3r> how likely is it that an app that is requested will be made?
14:11:34 <M4T1A5> probably depends on how popular it is
14:12:11 <M4T1A5> but it is very likely if you do it yourself :P
14:12:14 <Gizmokid2005> M4T1A5: is correct IVIaxPow3r. It all depends on whether or not a developer is interested and portabilizes it.
14:12:31 <IVIaxPow3r> right
14:12:54 <IVIaxPow3r> with pretty much no experience - is there some tutorial or something I could go through to learn how to do it myself?
14:12:56 <IVIaxPow3r> http://musescore.org/
14:13:00 <IVIaxPow3r> that's what I am wanting btw
14:13:30 <M4T1A5> well it's open source
14:13:32 <M4T1A5> that helps
14:13:53 <IVIaxPow3r> I figured that part - that made me hopeful :)
14:14:53 <Gizmokid2005> .def field_guide
14:14:54 <GizmoBot> field_guide is here: http://portableapps.com/node/14868
14:14:59 <Gizmokid2005> IVIaxPow3r: ^^ is a good place to start
14:14:59 <ChrisMorgan> You should always search before asking, too - portableapps.com/search/node/musescore
14:15:04 <ChrisMorgan> http://portableapps.com/search/node/musescore
14:15:14 <ChrisMorgan> You'll find there's already a version of it out there in testing.
14:15:19 <Gizmokid2005> also, downloading and reading the docs with the PortableApps.com Launcher will help as well
14:16:11 <IVIaxPow3r> cool
14:16:37 <ChrisMorgan> http://portableapps.com/node/23847 is the latest, not sure quite what Bart.S has been doing with the thread. The version there should work fine.
14:18:31 <IVIaxPow3r> cool beans - I was just about to search when you mentioned that :) I read it in the "request app" guidelines
14:19:47 <ChrisMorgan> Good, I wish more people would read that :-)
14:20:20 <IVIaxPow3r> I bet :)
14:22:29 <IVIaxPow3r> I'm really "new" (read:not involved in any perceiveable way) to the developement side of this stuff - what would make this "development test" become part of the list of apps that are in the "Applications" section?
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14:32:33 <IVIaxPow3r> brb
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14:33:42 <IVIaxPow3r> sorry about that - PA uninstaller thing was crashing on me - I needed to restart PA
14:33:51 <IVIaxPow3r> did I miss an answer to my earlier question?
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14:34:04 <ibuk> hi !
14:34:18 <IVIaxPow3r> hello ;)
14:34:52 <ibuk> i have a question can I get adobe after effects on this page?
14:36:40 <ibuk> ?
14:37:29 <Gizmokid2005> ibuk: probably not
14:37:34 <Gizmokid2005> it's not free and likely against the EULA
14:38:12 <ibuk> ok but earlier on this site i saw things like adobe lightroom and so on...
14:38:23 <ibuk> but they arent free too.
14:38:28 <Gizmokid2005> you didn't see them here ibuk
14:38:37 <Gizmokid2005> I can assure you of that
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14:43:37 <ibuk> yeah if you say so.. hmmm... strange .. my friend wanted to send me a link where to download cs5 here but it didnt worked.. and when he open his Cs5 it shows a portableappz logo strange ....
14:44:07 <Gizmokid2005> ibuk: yes, that's the "portableappz" page/site. We're not affiliated, they just blatantly ripoff a lot of our work and logos
14:44:35 <ibuk> ahhh ok :P
14:44:36 <ibuk> sorry
14:45:18 <ibuk> thanks
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19:01:24 <Gringoloco> Finally got WinampPortable updated :-)
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19:04:02 <M4T1A5> cool
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21:59:35 <Megz> hi guys any devs around here?
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22:14:39 <Gizmokid2005> Megz: ask your question
22:18:34 <Megz> so we've been having some trouble with portableapps.com programs -- when you start them up theres a scary "hourglass" cursor that appears for some time
22:19:00 <Megz> how to fix?
22:20:11 <Gizmokid2005> you mean when the launcher starts?
22:20:32 <Megz> just the app, without launcher
22:20:41 <Gizmokid2005> what app?
22:20:50 <Megz> 7-zip Portable
22:20:59 <Gizmokid2005> then it's using the launcher
22:21:06 <Gizmokid2005> any portable app you launch has a launcher
22:21:08 <Gizmokid2005> it's what makes it portable
22:21:09 <Megz> ah yes
22:21:49 <Megz> that cursor is the same one i get when I insert a DVD disk in the computer so its a bit alarming when i see it
22:22:12 <Gizmokid2005> did you disable the splash screen?
22:22:16 <Megz> yes
22:22:31 <Megz> i didnt have a problem until i disabled the splash screen
22:24:41 <Megz> my friend decided to create a "fix" for it
22:24:48 <Megz> http://codepad.org/k8bqOnFz
22:25:48 <Megz> i dont understand this code but i think maybe theres a better solution
22:26:09 <Gizmokid2005> not sure how that's a fix...that's overriding cursors
22:26:26 <Gizmokid2005> you're not the first person to report this, but none of the developers can reproduce the issue with the splash screen disabled
22:26:43 <Gizmokid2005> the only thing we've noticed that's similar between everyone who complains, is they use some type of "alternate" windows install
22:27:08 <Megz> hm
22:28:44 <Gizmokid2005> which you do, don't you Megz?
22:29:56 <Megz> i use regular one but it has microsoft updates slipstreamed
22:30:42 <Gizmokid2005> yep
22:30:44 <Gizmokid2005> it's slipstreamed
22:30:49 <Gizmokid2005> that's the ONLY connection I can find in any of these
22:31:03 <Gizmokid2005> something in the slipstreaming causes an issue somewhere in Windows that causes the wait cursor to be displayed
22:31:12 <Gizmokid2005> but only when the splash is disabled
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22:33:16 <Megz> im booting my dell which has the regular XP they shipped with it to test brb
22:33:35 <Megz> just the oem disk
22:36:24 <Megz> same thing
22:36:32 <Megz> busy cursor
22:37:10 <Gizmokid2005> it works like a champ for me and every other dev who's tested
22:37:17 <Gizmokid2005> I can NOT get the wait cursor
22:42:30 <Megz> http://bit.ly/bBZhlw
22:43:06 <Gizmokid2005> that's not the wait cursor
22:43:10 <Gizmokid2005> that always shows up with our launchers
22:43:21 <Megz> yeah
22:43:23 <Gizmokid2005> wait cursor is full hourglass
22:43:31 <Gizmokid2005> that's the issue that's been reported in the past
22:43:48 <Gizmokid2005> your screenshot happens to ALL apps because the launcher has to run in the background upon start to setup the environment
22:46:32 <Megz> ho hum .. ok .. feature request: hope this can be fixed ;)
22:46:56 <Gizmokid2005> post it in the forums
22:47:12 <Megz> alright
22:47:29 <ChrisMorgan> If you search around you'll find there's already a thread about it.
22:47:43 <ChrisMorgan> With some explanations about it.
22:48:00 <Megz> ok, thanks
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