IRC Log from 2010-08-17

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02:42:58 <NiveusLuna> To use the portableapps.com installer, does the program already have to be in PA.c format?
02:46:36 <Gizmokid2005> NiveusLuna: yes.
02:46:48 <Gizmokid2005> otherwise the installer won't be able to create an installer
02:46:56 <NiveusLuna> Not very good for lazy people then, is it? :/
02:47:08 <Gizmokid2005> that's not the point of it NiveusLuna
02:47:26 <Gizmokid2005> the whole point to the installer is to take the work that's been done and package the app in a handy .paf.exe installer
02:47:43 <NiveusLuna> ahh
02:47:44 <NiveusLuna> ok
02:48:10 <NiveusLuna> um. How do you make an NSIS launcher not ask for admin privs?
02:48:26 <Gizmokid2005> you can't really
02:48:37 <Gizmokid2005> most launchers don't ask for admin unless they're going to restricted places
02:48:47 <NiveusLuna> then how does the entirety of portableapps do it?
02:49:35 <NiveusLuna> never mind... for some reason, i remember the mIRC launcher I made asking for admin privs.
02:49:40 <NiveusLuna> doesn't now
02:52:14 <Gizmokid2005> and portableapps doesn't require access to restricted places, unless the user puts them in Program Files
02:52:20 <Gizmokid2005> which isn't recommended anyways...
02:52:45 <Gizmokid2005> optimally it should always be to the root of the drive.
02:55:55 <NiveusLuna> mm. It's legal to use the pa.c installer to package mirc, right? mIRC *is* shareware...
03:05:47 <Gizmokid2005> shareware can't be used since mIRC technically isn't free
03:07:08 <Gizmokid2005> they can put out a portable version, and you could make just a launcher for it, and distribute that, but it can't include the application by default
03:07:14 * NiveusLuna nods
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03:07:48 <NiveusLuna> it does have a "make me portable" switch already, and i do distribute a launcher for it. i thought that using the pa.c installer would make it easier for computer newbies.
03:08:13 <Gizmokid2005> yeah...you can't add the app into it though, especially since it's not free
03:08:31 <Gizmokid2005> and the launcher may be against the EULA to begin with (though I doubt it if it has a portable mode already).
03:09:22 <NiveusLuna> it's shareware, it's already legal to redistribute the program. but if the pa.c installer terms say no, then they say no. *shrug*
03:09:55 <NiveusLuna> really, all the launcher does is append "--portable" as a CLI argument. I highly doubt that's against the EULA
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03:13:07 <Gizmokid2005> right
03:13:22 <Gizmokid2005> but even as shareware, after 30 days the EULA says it needs to be registered for $20...
03:16:14 <NiveusLuna> unofficially, it won't try to force you until... what was it, 259 days? even then, you can exit and restart the program to get past it.
03:16:19 <NiveusLuna> but that technically is illegal.
03:23:12 <Gizmokid2005> that's my point
03:32:26 <NiveusLuna> anyway. thank you for the information.
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03:40:40 <pa_5564> hello
03:40:52 <pa_5564> any portable guys here
03:40:52 <pa_5564> ?
03:42:12 <NiveusLuna> no, this channel is a lie. :p
03:42:19 <NiveusLuna> just ask your question
03:42:56 <pa_5564> Hey portable, is there a tool that i can use to check, if a software leave any registry behind?
03:45:28 <Gizmokid2005> pa_5564: RegShot
03:45:37 <Gizmokid2005> but you need a snapshot of before the program was run
03:45:59 <dboki89> pa_5564: --> http://sourceforge.net/projects/regshot/
03:46:18 <NiveusLuna> Hm. I could use that.
03:47:42 <Gizmokid2005> there's a portable version as well, just in testing: http://portableapps.com/search/node/RegShot
03:47:48 <pa_5564> does regshot leave any registry behind?
04:03:45 <Mir> shouldnt
04:07:56 <pa_5564> woah
04:08:03 <pa_5564> that is a perfect tool
04:08:17 <dboki89> pa_5564: it saves it's settings in INI files within it's own directory. It shouldn't create any registry stuff, except for the "MUICache" and similar, which pretty much any program you use will create, portable or otherwise...
04:10:50 <pa_5564> so regtool actually compare any changes in c:, and the registry place itself ?
04:13:52 <dboki89> pa_5564: first you take a snapshot of how the system looks before you ever installed or ran the program; then, after installing the desired program and running it a few times (note: run nothing else, so as not to mess your results), you then take another snapshot of how the system looks after. So, yea, it actually compares any changes, and puts a nice output of modified registry entries (and optionally modified files)
04:16:27 <dboki89> pa_5564: regardless of whether you'll be using PA.c Launcher or not, it's a good idea to read --> http://portableapps.com/manuals/PortableApps.comLauncher/topics/registry/#topics-registry , EVERYTHING after the title "Hives". It also says which entries can safely be ignored (as they are not created by the program itself)
04:24:06 <pa_5564> sorry i have a question which is non relate to PA. does changing setting in local group policy in windows 7, do changes to the registry too??
04:31:22 <dboki89> pa_5564: It should be in the registry, unless something has been seriously changed in Win 7 (I doubt it) | Disclaimer: I'm not a PA developer, just a user that sometimes messes with stuff :)
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04:41:46 <pa_5564> thanks for your help
04:41:47 <pa_5564> cya
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07:41:22 <pa_5188> hello, can anybody halp me on the java component of portable apps?
07:48:39 <pa_5188> help!
07:48:40 <GizmoBot> pa_5188: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
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08:10:49 <M4T1A5> shoot
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08:53:02 <kiwikay> Hi. Question... I accidently bookmarked a bunch of things on my computer's non-portable Firefox, is there a quick way to sync up the two sets of bookmarks?
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09:17:16 <dboki89> kiwikay: I don't think there's an automatic way to do it, but if those new bookmarks are in a bookmark folder, just right-click that folder > Copy, then fire up your FFP and then right-click (on bookmarks toolbar) and Paste...
09:20:52 <dboki89> kiwikay: or, wait.. sorry, I didn't see the word "sync" in there... :( If it sync feature you're after (if you want both your local FF and FFP to have the same set of bookmarks), then search on addons.mozilla.org for a syncing addon... There should be quite a few of those out there :)
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11:31:43 <GizmoBot> chazz is the guy who failed at developing stuff. :D
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11:59:51 <vf2nsr> wow anyone note the spamming in the forums?
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12:09:58 <pa_4271> forum spam: http://portableapps.com/node/24618
12:10:13 <pa_4271> and more spam: http://portableapps.com/node/24616
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12:14:07 <pa_4271> there seems to be spam in a few forums sections.
12:14:14 <ChrisMorgan> I've just cleared it all up.
12:14:29 <pa_4271> great, thanks chris
12:14:34 <ChrisMorgan> Actually, not all, from the last few minutes... *ARGH!*
12:15:29 <pa_4271> do you think it's manual spam or a robot?
12:18:49 <ChrisMorgan> The registration at least must be done manually.
12:19:21 <pa_4271> is it ok to point out the spam here or is there a better way to report it?
12:19:58 <ChrisMorgan> In general I think you'll find it's not worth it.
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12:20:33 <ChrisMorgan> As far as I can tell, recently I've been the only one deleting spam. If I'm in, the spam should be deleted within half an hour (generally less).
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12:21:38 <pa_4271> ok, well thanks for cleaning it up so quick. have a good day :o)
12:22:15 <ChrisMorgan> I just got back from tea at my grandparents', otherwise I would have cleaned it up faster...
12:22:24 <ChrisMorgan> Thanks for reporting it anyway :-)
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12:41:59 <pa_1133> Hello can you tell me why McAffee site advisor gives me a red alert when dowloading portable apps?
12:45:54 <ChrisMorgan> Try reading http://portableapps.com/support#false_positive
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12:46:41 <ChrisMorgan> It's a false positive in the system. McAffee have been having lots of trouble with false positives this year. It would be helpful if you could complain to them of it.
12:49:26 <pa_1133> Thanks. Seems a simple answer. However, do you know if it related to the site source forge or the real download file?
12:49:56 <kiwikay> dboki89: thanks for the advice on syncing bookmarks (I got sidetracked with an email issue).
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12:51:50 <ChrisMorgan> pa_1133: I really can't tell. It's their problem though :-(
12:56:36 <pa_1133> Thanks anyway. Bye.
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17:15:49 <thabubble> hi! do anybody know where the source code for PA.c platform 2.0 beta 5 is??
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17:28:24 <thabubble> do anybody know where the source code for PA.c platform 2.0 beta 5 is??
17:29:12 <benedikt93> thabubble, check the PAc project on sourceforge
17:29:30 <thabubble> benedikt93: thanks :)
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17:29:51 <thabubble> benedikt93: could you point me to where it is?? :)
17:32:47 <benedikt93> should be there http://sourceforge.net/projects/portableapps/files/ (very large page!!) at something like PortableApps Platform SOurce
17:33:42 <thabubble> thanks :D
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18:20:00 <Jeffmcc> hey
18:20:04 <Jeffmcc> f
18:20:08 <Jeffmcc> im here
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18:45:24 <GizmoBot> chazz is the guy who failed at developing stuff. :D
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20:25:28 <rcmaehl-linux> I made my first submitted, portable app, that I made myself, http://portableapps.com/node/24647
20:41:51 <Gizmokid2005> rcmaehl-linux: and you didn't follow the guidelines
20:41:55 <Gizmokid2005> it's not in a .paf.exe
20:42:01 <Gizmokid2005> there's no MD5, no release notes
20:42:19 <Gizmokid2005> and the link to the application should be to the application's homepage, not to it's download
20:43:07 <rcmaehl-linux> oh
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21:03:54 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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