IRC Log from 2010-08-19
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01:40:32 <Spaceghost1> hello
01:40:56 <Spaceghost1> I just downloaded the KVirc, and it doesn't run, what can be the reason?
01:41:32 <Spaceghost1> I only see the image of there are in each portableapp, and then it hidden and nothing happened
01:54:00 <Gizmokid2005> Spaceghost1: does anything come up? And what version?
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02:18:55 <Spaceghost1> come up?
02:19:00 <Spaceghost1> the versión is the last
02:19:20 <Spaceghost1> 4.0.2 no? and I am using Windows XP PRO SP3
02:19:49 <Spaceghost1> yes, I confirm 4.02
02:19:56 <Spaceghost1> 4.0.2
02:20:22 <dboki89> Gizmokid2005: ^
02:20:46 <Gizmokid2005> thankd dboki89
02:21:02 <Gizmokid2005> Spaceghost1: no error windows or anything?
02:21:04 <dboki89> you're welcome :)
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02:31:24 <Spaceghost1> Gizmokid2005: no, I didn't see any window of Windows then of that
02:31:54 <Gizmokid2005> Spaceghost1: do me a favor...go into the KVIrcPortable\App\KVIrc\ folder and launch kvirc.exe and tell me what comes up.
02:34:36 <Spaceghost1> ok
02:35:32 <Spaceghost1> error: (0xc0150002)
02:35:50 <Gizmokid2005> can you give me a screenshot of the whole error please?
02:36:04 <Spaceghost1> yes, but I use a windows in Spanish
02:36:45 <Gizmokid2005> that's ok
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02:38:41 <Spaceghost1> I am uploading...
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02:39:36 <Gizmokid2005> hello JohnTHaller
02:39:39 <JohnTHaller> Hola
02:39:48 <Gizmokid2005> alright Spaceghost1, let me know when you have it.
02:39:55 <Gizmokid2005> I have a really good idea of what it is, but I need to make sure
02:39:58 <Spaceghost1> http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=110318
02:40:45 <Gizmokid2005> interesting... Spaceghost1, do you have the VC++ Redistributable installed?
02:41:10 <Spaceghost1> ah, uhmm
02:41:19 <Gizmokid2005> you can check in add/remove programs
02:41:50 <Spaceghost1> no
02:41:54 <Spaceghost1> I haven't
02:41:56 <Gizmokid2005> OK
02:41:59 <Gizmokid2005> that's what I figured
02:42:06 <Gizmokid2005> I'll have to get a new version uploaded then
02:42:16 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: if I send you a new revision of KVirc tomorrow can you post it for me?
02:42:29 <Gizmokid2005> Spaceghost1: you can fix it in a few ways
02:42:39 <Spaceghost1> ok, thanks a lot
02:42:40 <Gizmokid2005> you can install the VC++ Redist (which can be a pain)
02:43:07 <Gizmokid2005> or you can download an updated copy of KVIrc from my downloads page and extract it to the KVircPortable\App\KVIrc folder if you'd like
02:43:08 <Spaceghost1> all the other people haven't that problem because they have VC++?
02:43:26 <Spaceghost1> I know that is a relative new app in portableapps
02:43:44 <Gizmokid2005> Spaceghost1: most likely. It's actually an issue with the build itself that was fixed.
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02:44:02 <Gizmokid2005> most people don't have issues as VC++ is a fairly standard update/lib to have installed on a patched version of windows now.
02:44:38 <Gizmokid2005> if you'd like, download the .7z of r4888-dev from here: http://papps.gizmokid2005.com/KVIrc4_nightly/r4888_(4.0.3)/ and replace the contents of the KVIrc folder with its' contents
02:44:43 <Gizmokid2005> and then you shouldn't have any issues
02:44:48 <Spaceghost1> ah
02:44:58 <Spaceghost1> I will do it
02:45:02 <Gizmokid2005> it's actually an issue with OpenSSL
02:45:06 <Spaceghost1> that
02:45:35 <Gizmokid2005> 4.0.2, which was built by myself, used the binary of OpenSSL, which required the VC++ redist to be installed, instead of using a locally compiled version which the other builds have
02:45:55 <Gizmokid2005> I've talked to the devs and fixed it, so that build should be fine, as well as other previous ones, but that build won't hurt to have.
02:46:32 <Spaceghost1> ah, that is a good irc client in your opinion?
02:46:47 <Spaceghost1> I ever use KDE on Linux and never heart about it
02:47:08 <Gizmokid2005> That's all I use. It's multi-platform and it works very well, and has some very nice features. Plus the devs are very cool and their chat room #kvirc is a good place to be
02:47:32 <Gizmokid2005> As a whole I like this better than any other client i've ever used...and I can use it on Windows, OSX, and *nix
02:47:39 <Gizmokid2005> (and as soon as it gets ported, I could use it on my phone as well
02:48:26 <Spaceghost1> yes, I think that is what I seek, it can be used on all systems
02:48:42 <Gizmokid2005> Yep
02:48:46 <Gizmokid2005> KVIrc fits the bill then :)
02:48:58 <Gizmokid2005> that's one of the main reasons I even looked at it
02:49:09 <Spaceghost1> now I am using the IRC of pidgin, how you can see, but is really very basic
02:49:20 <Gizmokid2005> the only other client i know of offhand that is (besides xchat, and that's got its' own issues), is Chatzilla
02:49:30 <dboki89> Gizmokid2005: would it not be a good idea to suggest Spaceghost1 to install the missing VC++2008 as well? Just a thought...
02:49:31 <Gizmokid2005> Yep, that's what i used to use for IRC
02:49:44 <Gizmokid2005> but like you said, Spaceghost1, it's very basic
02:50:03 <Gizmokid2005> dboki89: eh...it's not a required update, and most apps won't ever use it...so no need to install it.
02:51:20 <dboki89> Ah, OK. Btw, if Zach were here, I think you'd be hurting his feelings... No mention of his PChat in a conversation about IRC clients :P ccc
02:51:44 <Gizmokid2005> PChat isn't fully multi-platform
02:51:55 <Gizmokid2005> and I've never used it as it's based on XChat
02:51:58 <Gizmokid2005> and I never cared for that at all
02:52:08 <Spaceghost1> PChat the built of you have another problems?
02:52:10 <Spaceghost1> ah
02:53:17 <Spaceghost1> I didn't understand that "(besides xchat, and that's got its' own issues)"
02:53:53 <dboki89> he probably meant that the Windows version became payware
02:54:14 <Gizmokid2005> Yep, and I don't like the GTK+ setup it has
02:54:20 <Spaceghost1> ah, ok
02:55:21 <Spaceghost1> me too, and I don't need the most of his functions
02:56:30 <Spaceghost1> I have a problem with the PChat in particular (only the portableapp received that name, or is the name of a fork?), but I don't remember now
02:57:08 <Spaceghost1> the another problem that I remember with a portableapp is with FoxitReader
02:57:39 <Spaceghost1> I don't know if is really a problem, I can't download and install the translate in the portable version
02:57:52 <dboki89> Well, in PChat's defence, I like PChat! It's pretty good, does the job I need it to do, crashes from time to time, sure, but not lately (either I stopped doing what caused crashes in the first place, or Zach fixed it). Although, I haven't tried KVirc yet... I am planning to try it, but somehow I always find myself doing something else instead...
02:58:07 <Spaceghost1> but yes in the installable
02:59:12 <Spaceghost1> I used for a time the Quassel but, the windows version is strange
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03:00:24 <Gizmokid2005> yes Spaceghost1, pchat is an xchat fork as well
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03:08:31 <Spaceghost> with pidgin one thing that I can't do among others is put an alternative nickname or a autoghost script for when I have a disconnect
03:09:36 <Gizmokid2005> Spaceghost: you can do that with KVirc as well, it's just a few lines of coe in the on connect function :)
03:09:45 <Gizmokid2005> that's what i like about it, there's SOOO much you can code it to do.
03:09:50 <Spaceghost> great, thanks
03:10:31 <Gizmokid2005> you're welcome
03:10:50 <Gizmokid2005> and as always, if you have questions the built-in help is amazing, and the guys in #kvirc are always willing to help (well...almost always)
03:12:38 <Spaceghost> great
03:12:42 <Spaceghost> now ran
03:12:51 <Spaceghost> thanks a lot for all, Gizmokid2005
03:13:09 <Gizmokid2005> You're welcome Spaceghost. Thanks for helping me figure it out
03:14:16 <Spaceghost> :)
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12:26:46 <ChrisMorgan> beppegg: I am now
12:27:11 <Mir> o/
12:27:15 <Mir> =____=
12:42:53 <beppegg> hi Cris
12:43:00 <beppegg> are you still here?
12:46:50 <ChrisMorgan> Yep
12:49:05 <ChrisMorgan> beppegg: if you want to make sure I notice something, use my full nick
12:49:25 <beppegg> you're right, thanks :P
12:49:36 <beppegg> Chris, I've a "political" question
12:49:54 <beppegg> there's a closed-source application I use everyday, so I've portibilized it
12:50:29 <beppegg> I've asked the app's producers if they would like to host this project officially
12:50:48 <beppegg> they accepted
12:51:06 <beppegg> and now I've to complete the packaging of the application in .paf format
12:51:15 <ChrisMorgan> What's the app?
12:51:31 <beppegg> Your Freedom - HTTP tunnelling proxy
12:51:40 <beppegg> there's also a request in the forum
12:51:47 <beppegg> for that
12:52:33 <beppegg> here: http://portableapps.com/node/24388
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12:52:57 <ChrisMorgan> Sorry, my network connection died. Last line I got was "for that".
12:53:08 <beppegg> <beppegg> here: http://portableapps.com/node/24388
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12:54:44 <ChrisMorgan> Sounds good, though I personally don't like that type of software much because it's mostly used for illegal and dishonest purposes... OK, so what's your question with it now?
12:56:36 <beppegg> first of all: how I have to set up the various [Details] in AppInfo.ini?
12:57:04 <beppegg> where I have to point to PA.com and where I have to point to resolution gmbh?
12:59:23 <beppegg> (Personally, I use that app because I often change work office, with everyone having different settings for the network. By using HTTPS tunnel, I achieve: 1) privacy of my own messages, 2) easy of reconfiguration (all apps points to YF, I have to configure JUST the YF client) 3) avoiding headhache due to different protocols allowed/blocked by each firewall :P)
13:00:07 <beppegg> second question: how does the updater works? Can I make that app self-updating?
13:00:14 <ChrisMorgan> I'd say read carefully through that part of the PAF spec and decide based on that; if you're working with them on it and they'll do it all it could be appropriate to have Publisher=Resolution GmbH and the Homepage to their website as that will be the home of the portable version.
13:00:49 <beppegg> ok, so without any refernce to PA.com?
13:01:01 <beppegg> I'll put it in the initial screenshot, so :D
13:01:34 <ChrisMorgan> Probably. You'll be working directly with them, I imagine. Any affiliation with PortableApps.com will be after "they" (you) produce the package. Would that be how you see it as happening?
13:02:17 <beppegg> sorry, I haven't undrestood... poor english :P
13:02:56 <beppegg> I'm not an employee of them, I get some "enhanced" package for free by translating the software in italian
13:02:57 <ChrisMorgan> Currently there is no provision for auto-updating of apps outside the PortableApps.com app directory. Once 2.0 settles down a bit more, I have a proposal which I will try integrating into the Updater (with John's permission, naturally) which would allow external app lists per publisher.
13:03:03 <beppegg> and by portabilizing it
13:03:25 <beppegg> ah ok, so I have to wait =)
13:03:36 <ChrisMorgan> For auto-updating anyway.
13:04:14 <beppegg> they distribute their main app as .zip package.. do you think it would be worth if I write a small upp for updating the package?
13:04:25 <ChrisMorgan> No, I don't think so.
13:04:36 <beppegg> ok, so :)
13:04:36 <ChrisMorgan> Can the base app update itself?
13:04:44 <beppegg> no it cannot
13:04:56 <beppegg> it can suggests user to update
13:04:56 <ChrisMorgan> You'll be working directly with them for making the portable version, I presume. Would you plan on publishing test versions in the PortableApps.com forums?
13:05:02 <beppegg> but cannot update herself
13:05:08 <ChrisMorgan> And takes them to the download page?
13:05:18 <beppegg> If that is allowed
13:05:20 <ChrisMorgan> Then they should be able to get the updated portable version when it's listed on their own page.
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13:06:24 <beppegg> ok, so in PA forum I have to open a post just as I've done for the other OSS applications I've packaged, right?
13:06:34 <beppegg> there's no difference at all?
13:08:15 <ChrisMorgan> If they don't mind you distributing it with a test version, from an external location. Make sure you read what they've allowed you to do and stick by it, and seek clarification if necessary.
13:08:44 <ChrisMorgan> And if you're doing it that way, then it probably would be appropriate to set the publisher to Resolution GmbH and PortableApps.com
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13:09:33 <beppegg> ok, I think I've understood everything quite well :)
13:09:47 <beppegg> now it's time to getting to work :D
13:10:14 <beppegg> may I annoy you with further questions, just in cas I need?
13:12:41 <ChrisMorgan> Sure. It's not an annoyance, it's great to get it all spread and by as many people as possible :-)
13:12:50 <ChrisMorgan> I hope you're using the PortableApps.com Launcher?
13:13:10 <beppegg> everytime I can, but this isn't the case (unfortunatly)
13:13:28 <beppegg> It's very similat to java portable launcher
13:13:54 <ChrisMorgan> Why can't you do it with PAL?
13:14:02 <ChrisMorgan> PAL copes with Java apps very nicely.
13:14:40 <beppegg> yes, but just as JPL does, I've the need to let the user choose a configuration file before launching the app on that file
13:14:55 <beppegg> I don't know how to implent that behaviour with PAL
13:15:28 <ChrisMorgan> The base app doesn't do that? How does it work if installed to the computer - it has a start menu item of some sort which does what?
13:16:28 <beppegg> no, it reads a default configuration, unless a specific one is given via command line
13:16:49 <beppegg> in a portable point of view
13:16:58 <beppegg> one could have more than one configuration
13:17:25 <beppegg> for instance, I've the one for "home" and the one for "office1", "office2"...
13:17:42 <beppegg> when I start the launcher
13:17:50 <beppegg> I open a file selection dialog
13:18:06 <beppegg> and allow the user to choose its desired configuration
13:18:47 <beppegg> it's quite confortable, I've setup the app for starting autonomously on my flash drive with PA Menu
13:19:03 <beppegg> so when I plug my stick in, a click away and I'm online :)
13:19:41 <ChrisMorgan> I would suggest that you use PAL Powerâ„¢ for the launcher with some custom code to fetch and specify the file.
13:20:23 <beppegg> I can try :) where should I look for documentation?
13:20:30 <ChrisMorgan> The documentation on custom code is a bit better in 2.1-dev but it's OK in 2.0: http://portableapps.com/manuals/PortableApps.comLauncher/advanced/segments/#advanced-segments-custom
13:21:03 <ChrisMorgan> If the file stuff is just for command line arguments, it should go in one of the Pre hooks.
13:21:30 <ChrisMorgan> How will secondary instances work - only a single instance, [Launch]:SinglePortableAppInstance=true?
13:23:05 <beppegg> I suppose we should allow just a single istance.. for limitations with java, mainly :)
13:23:30 <beppegg> ah: I've downloaded UnicodeNSIS
13:23:32 <ChrisMorgan> I was thinking more due to the nature of the app.
13:23:34 <beppegg> (Portable)
13:23:55 <beppegg> but it created just "data" under UnicodeNSISPortable
13:24:05 <beppegg> and everything else under NSISPotable
13:24:10 <beppegg> isn't that strange?
13:24:32 <ChrisMorgan> Actually, you don't need anything extra to write custom code; NSIS Portable (Unicode) is required to run the Generator at all.
13:24:47 <ChrisMorgan> UnicodeNSISPortable shouldn't be being used at all by it - and /can't/, by the installer...
13:24:56 <ChrisMorgan> NSISPortable is the correct location.
13:25:03 <beppegg> ok good :)
13:25:08 <ChrisMorgan> I'm just thinking now about where the file name insertion into $ExecString should go...
13:25:21 <beppegg> in theory, we can allow multiple istances with different configuration, provided that each configuration sets up differents local ports
13:25:52 <beppegg> but how can launchers cope with multiple java instances?
13:26:04 <ChrisMorgan> How are you running it - javaw.exe?
13:26:36 <beppegg> Exec `"$PortableAppsPath\CommonFiles\Java\bin\javaw.exe" -Duser.home="$EXEDIR\Data\AppData" -jar "$EXEDIR\App\YourFreedom\freedom.jar" --configfile="$ConfFilePath"`
13:29:00 <ChrisMorgan> Ooh, so close to the basic code I was just writing for you... I had --config-file rather than --configfile :P
13:29:42 <beppegg> :D
13:35:20 <ChrisMorgan> http://portableapps.pastebin.com/VaKi3Sgz
13:36:01 <ChrisMorgan> How does that look to you?
13:36:56 <ChrisMorgan> I think you would also then want to set [Launch]:SingleAppInstance=false so that it will run if any instance of javaw.exe is already running. So long as it doesn't clash with other instances of itself it should be fine.
13:39:42 <beppegg> sounds good to me! :)
13:40:06 <beppegg> Ok, I'll try to "PAL-izing" everything :D
13:40:12 <beppegg> thank you very much!
13:40:25 <ChrisMorgan> I believe that in almost all cases (tentative wording - I haven't thought of any cases where it's /not/ useful), PAL can provide a rock-solid foundation for any portable app, whether it provides all the code or whether you need to put in extra code. I think the code basis of hooks and the use of environment variables for dealing with data promotes clean custom code too.
13:40:55 <ChrisMorgan> Thanks for being willing to try it out :-)
13:43:27 <beppegg> PAL is very nice piece of software ;)
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20:59:43 <edgarallenpoe> Is there a walk through on how to use the PortableApps.Launch compiler?
21:02:30 <Gizmokid2005> edgarallenpoe: in the help.
21:02:40 <Gizmokid2005> if you don't understand it, that's where you should start
21:08:53 <edgarallenpoe> I started there. The directions that aren't clear to me are regard the setup of directories. For example it says "Create Launcher For". What should the content of the directory that you select be. I just gave it an empty directory. It thew the error that it could not find the appinfo.ini in the app/appinfo directory. I need to know more about how to set things up in that directory. ...
21:08:54 <edgarallenpoe> ...Any suggestions? References?
21:09:15 <Gizmokid2005> edgarallenpoe: read the Development section of the website
21:09:56 <edgarallenpoe> Ok I'll go through that material and get back to you if I have another Q. Thanks for the help.
21:10:03 <Gizmokid2005> you're welcome
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