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01:49:31 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
01:51:55 <ZachThibeau> howdy JohnTHaller
02:22:44 <ZachThibeau> whats up
02:33:37 <JohnTHaller> back. hi ZachThibeau
02:35:19 <ZachThibeau> I'm working on PChat 2.0 :D same core but different front end, going to be with wxwidgets as the new interface since the gtk library isn't looking to great for the windows version
02:40:27 <ZachThibeau> still going to maintain the gtk version for a while though until 2.0 get's finalized
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02:44:06 <ZachThibeau> howdy ChrisMorgan
02:44:32 <JohnTHaller> ZachThibeau: cool. New interface will be nice. ANd a nice distinction from X-Chat, which is getting outdated UI-look wise
02:44:44 <ChrisMorgan> Hey ZachThibeau
02:46:46 <ZachThibeau> ChrisMorgan: I was telling John that I'm redesigning PChat in c++/wxwidgets already have a good start so far network list actually loads the list of networks in serverlist.c/h in the core of PChat/XChat
02:47:05 <ChrisMorgan> Yep, when I saw John's line I looked in the logs :D
02:47:21 <ZachThibeau> awesome
02:47:34 <ChrisMorgan> So PChat is becoming much more a branch of XChat than an alternative build.
02:48:18 <ZachThibeau> the core etc will still be the same as xchat's but the frontend I dub fe-wxwidgets will hopefully be better on the eyes and yes so it seems
02:50:05 <ZachThibeau> planned it out with a friend of mine who decided to join in the development of the new interface
02:53:14 <JohnTHaller> Just swapped in Twitter button in place of TweetMeme
02:57:13 <ChrisMorgan> Feels better in my opinion, without actually using it to tweet (as I have no twitter account)
02:57:45 <JohnTHaller> They just released it. And TweeteMeme is promoting it over their own now. Some sort of deal they struck.
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03:05:07 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: I still can't edit the front page :-(
03:05:14 <JohnTHaller> I have no ideas
03:05:22 <JohnTHaller> Is that the only page?
03:05:26 <ChrisMorgan> Nor I.
03:05:34 <ChrisMorgan> Seems to be.
03:05:44 <JohnTHaller> Odd. It's just a page.
03:06:17 <ChrisMorgan> Actually, I can't edit http://portableapps.com/about/contact either
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03:07:01 <JohnTHaller> But you can edit About right?
03:07:14 <ChrisMorgan> Yes.
03:07:31 <JohnTHaller> I think I know the culprit... hang on a sec.
03:08:04 <ZachThibeau> was it colonel custurd in the study with a revolver?
03:08:10 <ZachThibeau> sorry couldn't resist
03:08:47 <ChrisMorgan> Never heard of colonel custurd.
03:08:47 <JohnTHaller> Ok, you should be good now
03:09:02 <LinkSlayer64> it's colonel mustard XP
03:09:03 <JohnTHaller> It's a reference to the Clue boardgame. Popular in the states.
03:09:11 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: Try now.
03:09:20 <ChrisMorgan> Tick :-)
03:09:51 <JohnTHaller> ModPlus didn't have access to the PHP input type that is used on the homepage (showing whether you are logged in) and contact page (showing the current user count)
03:09:53 <ChrisMorgan> As LinkSlayer64 realised, I know about Colonel Mustard, but no colonel custurd. ;-)
03:10:05 <ChrisMorgan> Ah, I see.
03:10:05 <ZachThibeau> lol my bad haven't played the game in a while
03:10:09 <LinkSlayer64> lol and I thought he was in the parlor with the candlestick? (Candlestick has always been my fav for no reason)
03:10:30 <ChrisMorgan> Parlor? They don't have such a room in the game in Australia at least...
03:11:18 <LinkSlayer64> like a living room lol, and I dunno, been years for me too, in fact, we need a new one, old ones gone
03:13:19 <ChrisMorgan> Input format permissions have caught me before with Drupal...
03:13:32 <ZachThibeau> anyways gtg, need my sleep for work tomorrow
03:13:38 <ZachThibeau> talk to you guys later
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03:13:45 <JohnTHaller> later zac
03:44:52 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... in working on gVim Portable 7.3, with the OLE build I'm coming up with something I didn't understand at the time - but now do. "Cannot load registered type library" actually means something to me now.
03:47:17 <JohnTHaller> what does it mean
03:48:07 <ChrisMorgan> It means its OLE support works with type libraries. TypeLib support is something Gringoloco and I have been working on in PAL.
03:48:33 <ChrisMorgan> An OLE-free build is still better for the portable version, as the OLE features can't be used, but it's nice to understand it.
03:49:29 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: I reckon DamnVid Portable should be good to go almost anytime. 83 dls of the DT and 69 (haha) of the PR.
03:50:08 <JohnTHaller> heh, ok
03:52:09 <Gizmokid2005> the only "issue" that was brought up was just a misunderstanding of how the app works (and after talking to the dev, really how the app works in that regard isn't the most intuitive)
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03:55:02 <ChrisMorgan> I wonder... should I switch gVim Portable 7.3 over to PAL?
03:55:42 <JohnTHaller> Can PAL handle all of it?
03:55:59 <JohnTHaller> BTW - not sure if you saw this: http://download.techworld.com/3214075/portableappscom-launcher-20/?intcmp=ros-md-dl-tp
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03:57:11 <ChrisMorgan> Certainly. It actually became fairly simple, once I knew what to do with it. Earlier attempts at gVim Portable had been overcomplicated. All the launcher is now is environment variables (HOME, VIM, VIMRUNTIME, TMP, TEMP), drive letter updating in _viminfo, and a -n command line argument to not create swap files.
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03:57:26 <Gizmokid2005> haha wow JohnTHaller, they didn't hold back in tearing apart the documentation
03:57:43 <ChrisMorgan> "If you can figure out the dreadful documentation" :D
03:57:58 <Gizmokid2005> don't forget "And then it'll be up to you to figure out how to tell the Launcher what it must do, something of a challenge right now as the documentation available is truly atrocious." ChrisMorgan
03:57:59 <JohnTHaller> Yeah. Honestly, I kinda agree. It's written from our perspective. But it's really hard to follow for someone learning it.
03:58:16 <Gizmokid2005> and there is the typical paradox of a developer writing documentation
03:58:47 <Gizmokid2005> it's one of 2 things. 1) Overly complicated as we take things for granted, or 2) it's way overly "stupified" to the point it's hard to read.
03:58:51 <JohnTHaller> I learned my first few apps with PAL looking at examples. And still made mistakes, because I couldn't follow the documentation.
03:58:53 <ChrisMorgan> I quite disagree with "truly atrocious". It is fairly poor for the beginner, but that's more because it's straight reference rather than "how to start" for 2.0. 2.1's is getting better.
03:59:57 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, we basically have a 'reference' section. But no 'how to'
04:00:00 <ChrisMorgan> As I mentioned to you a bit earlier, the documentation was to be the main focus of 2.1.
04:00:25 <JohnTHaller> Now that I know how to use it, the documentation is just fine for me. But that initial learning curve is frustrating.
04:00:25 <ChrisMorgan> But I think you'll agree that the launcher configuration is really quite elegant - once you've worked out how to use it all.
04:00:28 <JohnTHaller> Yes, I know :)
04:00:34 <JohnTHaller> And I agree with that
04:00:45 <ChrisMorgan> Yep, and that does it no good in a quick review such as such a site is likely to do.
04:00:47 <JohnTHaller> But presenting it all in a straight-through reference is kinda rough on new users.
04:01:20 <JohnTHaller> I'm not knocking your docs, Chris :)
04:02:05 <Gizmokid2005> I haven't looked at them so I can't say one way or the other
04:02:40 <Gizmokid2005> the only thing I do know for sure...is that it's frustrating being a geek sometimes...you know, it's time for bed....and you get distracted by the dumbest of things...
04:02:55 <Gizmokid2005> ie - tinkering with the css for the mobile version of your blog....*eyeroll*
04:03:06 <JohnTHaller> Oh, true
04:03:27 <JohnTHaller> I'm way overdue on doing a walkthrough on installing the platform
04:04:31 <ChrisMorgan> I've been intending to do that too. We could have two versions - one normal and one with an American accent ;-0
04:05:01 <JohnTHaller> In the real world, we have an accent. Online, everyone else does, since we made this internet thing :)
04:05:58 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... I looked into language switching for Vim 7.2, but didn't find anything I could do or something like that. Need to recheck it with 7.3.
04:06:06 <Gizmokid2005> I'm not even going to attempt the css tonight...maybe if I can't sleep...but anyways, take it easy ChrisMorgan, JohnTHaller. I'm off
04:06:16 <JohnTHaller> gnight Gizmokid2005
04:06:17 <ChrisMorgan> G'nite Gizmokid2005
04:06:34 <JohnTHaller> I'm gonna head to bed, too. Need a fresh start for the big coding day I have laid out tomorrow
04:07:19 <ChrisMorgan> OK, goodnight to you too :-)
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04:08:58 <ChrisMorgan> Pasting on pastebin.com is broken again...
04:20:27 <LinkSlayer64> IRONY!
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05:02:09 <ChrisMorgan> Grr... I go to add PNotes to /suite because it's missing and the site goes down...
05:02:40 <M4T1A5> hi
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06:06:41 <str> Hello! Are there any PortableApps.com mods/admins online ?
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06:51:59 <M4T1A5> probably not
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10:57:08 <pa_3826> Hi, I have just a real quick question. I noticed a few days ago that the Firefox logo/link version number (at the bottom of the portable apps home page) is a little outdated. For new users is it worth having just the Firefox logo without a version number? Thank you.
10:57:56 <pa_3826> I mean Firefox logo and name, without a version number.
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12:24:10 <GizmoBot> chazz is the guy who failed at developing stuff. :D
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16:25:12 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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18:03:47 <Emma_> idling people *fear*
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18:33:08 <Gizmokid2005> Emma_: you should fear them. Very much :P
18:33:52 <sar3th> lol
18:39:02 <Emma_> Gizmokid2005: Sure feel like that anyway, they are like zombies almost :P
18:39:09 <Emma_> Even less mobile maybe
18:39:21 <Gizmokid2005> haha. I'd say they're significantly less mobile.
18:40:34 <sar3th> wat
18:41:19 <Emma_> I get some whacko image of how they all sit in armchairs connected through wires to the ceiling and stretch out their arms to grab me!
18:41:39 <Emma_> you know that scene in Inception in where all the people are passed out sleeping?
18:41:49 <Emma_> Kind of like that
18:44:49 <Emma_> How come you are not idling with them Gizmokid2005?
18:45:08 <Gizmokid2005> haven't seen inception Emma_, so I can't say I know.
18:45:20 <Gizmokid2005> Meh, I idle usually, but I'm not actually away from my computer usually.
18:45:40 <sar3th> yea, i know that scene Emma_ ^^
18:45:52 <sar3th> inception is great, but it's a ripoff ;)
18:46:07 <Emma_> A ripoff out of what? :O
18:46:10 <sar3th> http://disneycomics.free.fr/Ducks/Rosa/show.php?s=date&loc=D2002-033
18:46:17 <sar3th> enjoy
18:46:26 <Emma_> Gizmokid2005: playing games?
18:46:34 <sar3th> don't take the "ripoff" part too serious though ;)
18:46:43 <Gizmokid2005> Emma_: sometimes. I work from home, so I have a bit more freedom, but I also work a lot more.
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18:48:08 <Emma_> Gizmokid2005: :O I understand, what is it that you do?
18:48:09 <james> hi there....need help please
18:48:16 <Gizmokid2005> ask away james
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18:49:05 <Guest74693> i have just downloaded portableapps main software and i am installing it now...can the portable apps run on Mac?
18:49:10 <Gizmokid2005> Guest74693: no
18:49:12 <Gizmokid2005> windows only
18:49:18 <Gizmokid2005> but it can run on wine in linux
18:49:28 <Gizmokid2005> and I suppose if you install wine on OSX it could work there too
18:49:28 <Guest74693> kewl
18:49:32 <Gizmokid2005> but they are windows only apps
18:49:50 <Guest74693> does the history and cache load on the used pc or on the usb drive
18:50:02 <Emma_> sar3th: I'll keep it in mind ;)
18:50:03 <Gizmokid2005> depends on if you have them on...I think by default they are off
18:50:24 <JohnTHaller> even if on, FF's cache is on the portable device
18:50:49 <Guest74693> so i can run apps on a pc or laptop without the host capturing any software data?
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18:53:35 <r1p3> gizmo...
18:54:05 <JohnTHaller> All network apps broadcast over a network and can have their data intercepted. And all apps leave 'traces' within Windows that can't be removed. Anyone advertising a piece of portable software that doesn't is lying.
18:54:28 <Emma_> sar3th: hillarious!
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18:55:59 <r1p3> k33p w3ll im 0ut
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18:57:10 <sar3th> Emma_: :)
18:57:25 <Gizmokid2005> and Emma_ to answer your question, I run the billing and reporting systems at a local ISP
19:05:13 <Emma_> oh, that sounds like some pretty huge amount of work Gizmokid2005 :O
19:05:37 <Gizmokid2005> Emma_: it can be...usually it's pretty laid back though.
19:06:35 <Gizmokid2005> /usually/
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19:12:05 <Emma_> :)
19:17:06 <gluxon> r1p3: No. You ISP could be capturing all internet access, such as web sites you've been to.
19:17:16 <gluxon> ... Oh shoot :/
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19:58:58 <Emma_> sar3th: Good story! Really enjoyed it and it kind resembled Inception indeed! Awesome :D
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21:01:10 <GizmoBot> chazz is the guy who failed at developing stuff. :D
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