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00:48:16 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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02:30:42 <pa_0948> spam - http://portableapps.com/news/2010-02-24_-_filezilla_portable_3.3.2#comment-157003
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07:35:47 <Gringoloco> Somebody must be getting very irritated by the DVD forum topic
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10:23:19 <Gringoloco> ChrisMorgan: I've got the wildcard stuff finished, and will send you it now
10:23:25 <ChrisMorgan> Thanks :-)
10:25:21 <Gringoloco> I hope it's bugless, I've tried my best but just getting a bit sick of the testing
10:31:44 <Gringoloco> Send
10:32:10 <Gringoloco> FYI, only FileWrite can deal with parent-wildcards
10:32:46 <Gringoloco> I do not think it is needed for any other segments ???
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11:44:51 <ChrisMorgan> Gringoloco: I'm just trying to remember, what was the state of Unicode handling for TextFunc.nsh? Had you finished that again? I think you had, but I don't have it in the repository or locally.
11:53:40 <ChrisMorgan> Gringoloco: which of the following is valid: X:\YZ.*, X:\*.???, X:\*.*
11:57:41 <Gringoloco> ChrisMorgan: All extension wildcards are valid
11:57:46 <ChrisMorgan> OK, good :-)
11:57:55 <ChrisMorgan> And both file and extension is valid too?
11:58:31 <Gringoloco> if *.* is used, ForEachPath takes care not to parse .BackupBy$AppID
11:58:56 <ChrisMorgan> Good.
11:59:06 <Gringoloco> both file and extension is valid (but only if parent wildcard is not used)
11:59:24 <ChrisMorgan> Yep, just wanted to make sure I was clear on it.
12:01:08 <ChrisMorgan> You say only FileWrite can deal with parent-wildcards - do you mean others don't support it purely because of how they deal with the rest of it, e.g. creating parent directory and whatnot?
12:02:01 <Gringoloco> It made things more complicated to inherit the found name and replace the target wildcard with the foundname
12:02:14 <ChrisMorgan> So it is just that; good.
12:02:23 <ChrisMorgan> You're quite right in that.
12:02:55 <Gringoloco> Can you come up with any decent example which would need directories/filesmove which would need wildcards in parent directories
12:03:51 <Gringoloco> sftp://gringoloco@chrismorgan.info/home/duonex/webapps/gringoloco/NSISu_plugins/TextFunc_2010_07_01.zip
12:04:30 <ChrisMorgan> No, how it is is fine. I just wanted to make sure I understood the reason behind it (and I did) so I can make it clear in the documentation.
12:04:51 <Gringoloco> Sorry, I got to go now, I will leave PChat on for when you need any more info
12:06:38 <ChrisMorgan> Think I'm done.
12:06:41 <ChrisMorgan> Eek, that's a horrible bug in NSIS.
12:07:07 <ChrisMorgan> !if is broken badly inside macros - ``!if expects 1-4 parameters, got 7.`` ``Usage: !if [!] value [(==,!=,<=,<,>,>=,&&,||) value2] [...]``
12:07:22 <ChrisMorgan> The offending code: ``!if ${TYPE} != FILES && ${TYPE} != DIRECTORIES``
12:07:49 <ChrisMorgan> It would work fine /outside/ a macro, but /inside/ a macro the tokenizer works differently and doesn't just immediately evaluate it.
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12:10:37 <Gringoloco> Is that in the script I send you ? I never got an error like that :?
12:16:31 <ChrisMorgan> No, that was in an error-checking bit I'd put into ForEachPath to make sure it got a valid type.
12:16:56 <ChrisMorgan> It's definitely a bug in NSIS... now if only I could muster the strength to report it...
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12:32:10 <Delano> Yo yo
12:32:13 <Delano> Anyone here?
12:37:57 <ChrisMorgan> Delano: if you have a question, please ask it
12:38:10 <Delano> Well, not so much a question as a suggestion
13:05:30 <ChrisMorgan> ?
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13:23:01 <Delano> Sorry, was distracted
13:23:21 <Delano> ChrisMorgan, I'd like a section of portableapps, or even a seperate packages, that's a "pc repair kit"
13:23:32 <Delano> The best apps for PC diagnosis and repair
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16:30:06 <corin_> is there a macversion
16:30:38 <corin_> is there a mac version
16:34:25 <Computator> afaik no :(
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16:59:42 <Markkk> dum di dum... reading how to make an installer
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17:18:51 <Markkk> question: is the PortableApps.com Installer (2.0.2) enough to make an installer? If yes, what is PortableApps.com Launcher (2.0) needed for?
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17:21:22 <TimClark> Markkk: the installer INSTALLS the app [extracts it and puts it in the right place] the launcher LAUNCHES the app [after it is installed] and makes the app function portably
17:22:10 <Markkk> do i need both to convert a "normal app" into a portable app?
17:22:25 <TimClark> Yes
17:22:34 <Markkk> ok thanks!
17:22:40 <TimClark> At least if it's an app you want to publish
17:22:45 <Markkk> yup
17:22:56 <TimClark> If it's just for you you might not need the installer
17:23:40 <Markkk> well i am writing a normal installer, probably MSI or NSIS... and thought about adding a portable installer to.
17:25:15 <TimClark> I guess you have made sure that the app is already portable, right ?
17:25:33 <Markkk> one more question. Do you offer a portable app installer as a separate download on your own homepage or do you publish it at portableapps.com
17:26:02 <TimClark> You have to make an installer for each app as it's needs may vary
17:26:25 <TimClark> But I COULD be wrong about that, best to check with a dev
17:26:38 <Markkk> TimClark: right now I am looking what's needed, so after that it should be portable ;)
17:26:40 * TimClark is not a developer
17:26:52 * Markkk developer :)
17:27:26 <TimClark> Well, I meant one of OUR devs that has made an installer before ;)
17:27:44 <Markkk> jup
17:27:59 <Computator> afaik yes you do
17:28:49 <TimClark> Computator: I take it what you mean is YES, he does need to make his own installer ?
17:30:26 <Markkk> What I have right now is exe/dlls and INI file (no registry/Java/runtime). So now I am looking what else I need to make a installer with "portable apps"
17:31:42 <Markkk> guess I'll try the 'PortableApps.com' Installer, still not sure what the 'PortableApps.com Launcher' is intended for
17:33:15 <Computator> ummm, i meant that yes he needs a seperate installer for each app...
17:33:22 <TimClark> The laucher starts the program and makes any needed changes to the enviroment to make it run portable [moving/backing up files and registry setting so when the app is closed everything goes back the way it was]
17:33:31 <TimClark> for example
17:33:46 <Computator> yeah...
17:34:25 <TimClark> If you app creates a directory in APPDATA the laucher backs up what might be there, puts in it's needed stuff, and removes it when the app closes
17:34:35 <Markkk> ah I see, so in my case I would probably need no special launcher, it would be okay to execute: myapp.exe -Inifile
17:35:04 <Computator> and you don't need to make an installer if the app is just for you....but it's quite easy to make one so not much point in skipping that...
17:35:05 <Computator> yeah...
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17:35:25 <TimClark> but if you want a release the launcher would need to do that w/o the parememater
17:35:37 <Computator> yeah...
17:35:48 <TimClark> and the .ini file use would have to be stored in the data directory
17:36:02 <Computator> but you can make/use a launche that just calls the other one w/ the parameter
17:36:24 <Computator> well it doesn't HAVE to but it's supposed to...
17:36:43 <TimClark> Computator: if he want an offical release it HAS to
17:36:53 <TimClark> It's part of the PAF spec
17:37:00 <Computator> yeah, that's what i mean
17:37:12 <Markkk> not sure what qualifies as an official release, our app is "only" Freeware not open source yet
17:37:28 <TimClark> Offical Realease mean from OUR site
17:37:37 <Computator> an "official release" is where.....yeah that...
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17:38:02 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
17:38:14 <Computator> you can always host your own "non official" one from somewhere else, or just have it be for just you or whatever
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17:39:41 <Markkk> can you maybe point me to an example app, that I can use as an example/template?
17:40:18 <Markkk> maybe someone has done a very similar installer before, that could be a great start for m
17:40:20 <Markkk> e
17:40:30 <TimClark> ZachThibeau: can you point this person to a good example app for a launcher
17:40:46 <TimClark> Sorry, I mean installer
17:40:52 <Markkk> or both :D
17:41:11 <Computator> idk if there is an example app, but the spec tells you most of what you need....
17:41:39 <ZachThibeau> installer uhmm there isn't really an example since the installer is an automated app that will guide you on whats missing
17:41:57 <ZachThibeau> in order to complete the installer creation process
17:42:10 <Markkk> okie doke than I just do a try and error with the installer. :)
17:42:24 <Computator> the installer is easy, you make an app, you choose the folder that the app is in and you click finish...not much to do (assuming you already made the app)
17:43:06 <ZachThibeau> for a launcher example if it's custom 7-Zip Portable is a good start but if it's Pal, and there is documentation with the PAL Package
17:43:12 <Markkk> alright, thanks for the kind help!
17:44:10 <Computator> yw :)
17:44:43 <TimClark> Later
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17:49:00 <pa_8205> how do I find hash value of portableapps to validate odwnload?
17:49:48 <Computator> at the bottom of the app description page
17:50:49 <Computator> or do you mean how to validate it?
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18:13:36 <Drive-Dude> Hi I need support
18:14:07 <TimClark> What is your question Drive-Dude ?
18:14:39 <Drive-Dude> I would like to know is there a portable version that works like net framework
18:14:59 <TimClark> Nope
18:15:18 <Drive-Dude> That blows
18:15:41 <TimClark> That is why we generally don't make apps that use .NET
18:16:02 <Drive-Dude> Alright. Thanks
18:16:14 <TimClark> What is the app you have that needs .NET ?
18:16:56 <Drive-Dude> Because I have some apps I did find on a website. But I dont need them. But thanks for your help
18:17:26 <Drive-Dude> I mean I dont need them that badly
18:17:30 <TimClark> You're Welcome
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18:18:07 <Drive-Dude> Any news about PortableApps.com Platform?
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18:19:05 <TimClark> Still being worked on Drive-Dude , no dates
18:19:37 <Drive-Dude> Alright. I can waite. I got the time
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20:34:49 <Delano> I'm back
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20:51:15 <TimClark> Delano: Did you have a question or just stopping by ?
20:51:41 <Delano> I asked something earlier but was disconnected before I got any answer
20:51:55 <Delano> <Delano> ChrisMorgan, I'd like a section of portableapps, or even a seperate packages, that's a "pc repair kit"
20:51:55 <Delano> <Delano> The best apps for PC diagnosis and repair
20:52:28 <TimClark> Do you mean In the Menu or at the site ?
20:53:00 <OliverK|Away> Delano: iobit is in the forums, there's something else, but I don't remember the name ofhand
20:53:05 <OliverK|Away> TimClark: 'ello
20:53:06 <Delano> At the site, but possibly made into a menu in the future
20:53:28 <TimClark> Categories in the Menu is a coming feature
20:53:47 <OliverK|Away> good luck on getting them a part of the menu itself. but they will integrate with the portableapps platform delano
20:54:01 <TimClark> We would need a few more apps of that nature to give it it's own section I would think, but not a bad idea
20:54:32 <Delano> Yeah
20:54:44 <Delano> Portable apps have been really useful in my job as a computer repairman
20:54:54 <TimClark> Yes, you have said
20:55:06 <Delano> So I wanna know if there's still more I've missed
20:55:27 <TimClark> Best is to just check out all the apps in the app page
20:55:42 <TimClark> http://portableapps.com/apps
20:57:23 <Delano> Yep, I've been through lots of them
20:58:04 <Delano> Though there are some I disagree with
20:58:11 <Delano> ClamWin being the most notable
20:58:28 <TimClark> In what way do you "disagree" with it
20:58:41 <Delano> It's a very, very poor tool
20:58:53 <Delano> It has very weak virus detection
20:59:02 <Delano> I don't trust it
20:59:15 <TimClark> Well, those of us who use it every day might choose to disagree with you :P
20:59:32 <TimClark> It should be used as a second line of defense, not a first
20:59:47 <TimClark> A backup checker
21:00:07 <Delano> Well, I ran tests between Avira, Nod32 and ClamWin; CW missed a lot of stuff the other two nailed
21:00:33 <TimClark> Which is why you should be using one of those in additon to ClamWin
21:00:59 * OliverK|Away runs two virusscanners on his computer . . .
21:02:05 <Delano> I trust a-squared, malwarebytes, superantispyware, vundofix and hijackthis more
21:02:17 <Delano> And of course, the immortal combofix
21:02:56 <TimClark> you realize that most of the apps you have listed are not AV
21:03:14 <Delano> None are, except VF
21:03:31 <TimClark> So to compare them to ClamAV is a little unfair
21:03:36 <Delano> Perhaps
21:04:04 <Delano> Nonetheless, I personally found Clam inferior to the big 3 of the freeware AVs, Avast, Avira and AVG
21:04:15 <Delano> Maybe it'll get better
21:04:22 <Delano> But right now, not so much
21:04:35 <TimClark> And I find McAfee better than any of the freewares, to each their own I guess
21:04:45 <Delano> It is
21:05:01 <TimClark> by the way, I use Avast and a version of AVG as well
21:05:01 <Delano> But I have a strong dislike for both Norton and McAfee
21:05:14 <Delano> Both are bloated nags
21:05:24 <TimClark> and SASW and A2 portable
21:06:25 <Delano> Avira is my top free antivirus, Nod32 is my top commercial antivirus
21:06:41 <TimClark> Well, anyway, if you don't need any help right now I have things to do, I really don't get in which AntiMalware is better debates
21:06:52 <Delano> One last thing
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21:07:15 <TimClark> Yes Delano ?
21:07:33 <Delano> Do you know of any portable app which will save a profile's documents/desktop/favourites/outlook folders?
21:07:41 <Delano> I know it can be done manually
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21:07:52 <TimClark> Not off hand, sorry
21:07:55 <rcmaehl-linux> I finally got my app in Portableapps format
21:08:01 <Delano> But if an app did it for me, it'd be nicely streamlined
21:08:03 <rcmaehl-linux> and uploaded to sourceforge
21:08:05 <Delano> Thanks anyway TimClark
21:08:05 <TimClark> support rcmaehl-linux
21:08:11 <rcmaehl-linux> oh
21:08:19 <Delano> Isn't TimClark from Jack Chick?
21:08:40 <TimClark> I've heard that one Delano , It has Jimmy Carter too
21:08:50 <Delano> Heh
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21:15:37 <rcmaehl-linux> Is this the right format: http://portableapps.com/node/24647
21:16:31 <TimClark> That is not a format, that is a page, what do you mean
21:16:49 <rcmaehl-linux> Did I include all the information required?
21:17:05 <TimClark> You mean on the page, about the app ?
21:17:09 <rcmaehl-linux> Yeah
21:17:21 <TimClark> No
21:17:45 <TimClark> first link to the homepage of the app, not to a zip file of the app
21:18:05 <TimClark> is it opensource, freeware, what ?
21:18:23 <TimClark> what is the size of the app, downloaded and installed ?
21:18:34 <TimClark> skip the last one
21:18:38 <TimClark> found it
21:19:17 <TimClark> But if you mean what Chirs was asking, he means the app itself , not the page
21:19:42 <rcmaehl-linux> oh
21:19:46 <rcmaehl-linux> I fixed that
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21:20:18 <TimClark> He is asking you to put the app itself in the PAF format, did you do that ?
21:20:26 <rcmaehl-linux> yep
21:21:04 <TimClark> Where is the info about the other 6 revisons ?
21:21:19 <rcmaehl-linux> Never Released to public
21:22:02 <TimClark> Then for our purposes it is not rev 7
21:22:30 <TimClark> The second one you put up is rev 2, the third is rev 3
21:22:53 * rcmaehl-linux has some work to do then
21:23:09 <TimClark> Is the app you are linking to now the same one that chris commented on, or did you change it
21:23:22 <rcmaehl-linux> I change it.
21:23:26 <TimClark> How would someone know that if you did not tell them
21:23:35 <rcmaehl-linux> But forgot to change the name link
21:24:00 <TimClark> That is why you list the revsion changes in the topic, so some one can tell it's different
21:24:10 <Computator> btw, fwiw, ClamWin is notoriously bad
21:24:11 <rcmaehl-linux> oh
21:24:43 <TimClark> Chris will never have a reason to look at it again cause he won't know it's something other then what he checked
21:25:16 <TimClark> Please read the format of topic used by devs that have had releases and follow them as a guide line
21:25:17 <rcmaehl-linux> ah
21:26:24 <TimClark> I'm looking for a good example
21:27:07 <TimClark> this looks like a good example http://portableapps.com/node/18796
21:27:53 <TimClark> note how his release notes show what has changed in each release/revision
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21:28:46 <rcmaehl-linux> k
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23:11:28 <TimClark> And Hello ChrisMorgan
23:11:42 <ChrisMorgan> Hey Tim
23:11:55 <TimClark> Are you going to be around for a while ?
23:13:37 <ChrisMorgan> Should be.
23:13:45 <TimClark> Then the floor is yours
23:14:11 <TimClark> Have to get ready to record one program while watching another
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