IRC Log from 2010-09-06

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00:02:13 <TimClark> ChrisMorgan: I was asked a very interesting question, "Why is the menu written in Delphi?"
00:02:36 <Computator> i've always wondered too
00:02:58 <Computator> i would expect it to be in C or C++
00:02:59 <sar3th> delphi does produce static binaries and is host-independant
00:03:27 <sar3th> plus it has the so-called VCL, a set of Visual Components
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00:03:45 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
00:03:55 <sar3th> apart from that, i do not know, probably personal preference
00:03:58 <TimClark> It was point out to me that it is kind of disingenuous to say that the menu is open source and that folks can make changes to the source and recompile it themselves, when they really CAN'T unless they by a not free not open source program that is very expensive
00:04:18 <sar3th> TimClark: you can use a free implementation of delphi/pascal
00:04:28 <sar3th> called lazarus/freepascal
00:04:38 <Computator> ohhhh, delphi is pascal?
00:04:38 <TimClark> sar3th: are you sure, I thought i heard that that would not work
00:04:53 <ZachThibeau> not how the menu is coded currently anyways
00:05:04 <sar3th> TimClark: i have not tried, but delphi basically is pascal, and i recently heard good stuff about lazarus, so it could be
00:05:09 <sar3th> one would need to modify it
00:05:15 <Computator> oh...
00:05:16 <sar3th> but it is possible, i am sure
00:05:32 <sar3th> modify the platform that is
00:05:54 <sar3th> Computator: Delphi is a set of easy-to use components and techniques along with a pascal compiler
00:06:01 <TimClark> You would think, in the spirit of open source we would complie it using something that the average open source person would use, which usually means free or cheap
00:06:04 <Computator> well, i have nothing against delphi/pascal but i wish it was in C or C++ simply because it is more common/widespread
00:06:07 <Computator> oh ok
00:06:08 <sar3th> delphi is not really a language, pascal is the driving force
00:06:16 <Computator> neat :)
00:06:34 <sar3th> i've also wondered why TimClark, and frankly, i don't know
00:07:02 <sar3th> but it could be worse, for example if it were VB ^^
00:07:10 <Computator> LOL, yeah!
00:07:33 <TimClark> Well, it was pointed out to me, that it would SEEM as if we are getting the best of both worlds
00:07:46 <Computator> ?
00:07:52 <TimClark> We get to be OSS, but no one can really use the source
00:08:04 <TimClark> Without paying big bucks of course
00:08:38 <sar3th> 1. they do not have to pay us/pa.com for it
00:08:47 <Computator> ntm, as well as being less common, not as many people don't know it
00:09:18 <ChrisMorgan> I've just come back; Delphi is not /quite/ Pascal; it's Object Pascal, but an important difference is the included libraries. I asked John about it once and he said that switching to Pascal would be quite difficult due to used commercial libraries that wouldn't be available with it.
00:09:35 <Computator> oh ok
00:09:50 <sar3th> ChrisMorgan: yes indeed, the libraries make delphi delphi
00:09:59 <sar3th> but object pascal is close to normal pascal
00:10:36 <sar3th> 2. delphi is actively maintained and features a lot of modern techniques
00:10:52 <Computator> afaik, john just wrote it in delphi because he knows delphi...is that right?
00:10:59 <sar3th> 3. delphi is mature, since it has been used for several years
00:11:00 <TimClark> Well, I was not sure how to reply, the questioner was saying we were disingenuous when we reply, "Oh, then just recompile it yourself :) " when we know they can't
00:11:00 <ZachThibeau> then sar3th what you should do is try and make the platform compatible with the included libraries with lazarus/free pascal :P
00:11:02 <ChrisMorgan> And with the upgrade to Delphi 2010 the difference is even bigger than with 2006.
00:11:05 <sar3th> Computator: i don't know, it's possible
00:11:28 <Computator> oh ok...
00:11:36 <sar3th> ZachThibeau: i'm not really up to that task
00:11:40 <ChrisMorgan> And as to why it's written in Delphi -- as I recall a discussion of it (might be a thread on PortableApps.com somewhere, can't remember), John was wondering what language to do it in at one point; he didn't like C/C++ and knew some Pascal/Delphi and someone provided some code or something in Delphi, so he worked from that.
00:12:12 <Computator> cuz idk why someone doesn't port it to C/C++.....oh ok, how come he doesn't like C?
00:12:17 <ZachThibeau> I remember the guy that wrote the first menu that john borrowed the code from
00:12:40 <ZachThibeau> in fact I have the first menu kicking around that the guy wrote for PortableApps.com that inspired the platform
00:12:53 <ZachThibeau> tis about 5-6 years ago iirc
00:12:56 <TimClark> So he paid thousands of dollars for a program that made an open source app with no chance of getting his money back ?
00:13:00 <sar3th> Computator: there are drastic differences between delphi and c/c++; apart from that, a rewrite in another language would be a very complex task
00:13:18 <Computator> that reminds me, i think we should add a feature to the menu...
00:13:30 <ZachThibeau> sar3th: there was someone awhile back that wrote a menu clone to the platform in c++ that I still have the source for
00:13:31 <Computator> sar3th: oh ok, i knew it would be a lot of work...
00:13:46 <ChrisMorgan> TimClark: I'd hardly call it no chance of getting his money back; he's had several opportunities to sell out (making PortableApps.com payware) and become a millionaire.
00:14:35 <ChrisMorgan> C/C++ is ugly! Python is so much nicer... but it would produce bigger binaries. And I think we even care less about that as time goes on... :-)
00:14:38 <TimClark> Ah ChrisMorgan , but if the menu were written in something other than Delphi, something free or cheap, then no one would need him
00:14:38
00:14:53 <sar3th> ChrisMorgan! python is a scripting language....
00:15:02 <ChrisMorgan> And used to cost less, I believe
00:15:29 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: Python is multi-paradigm; it can be used as a scripting language but it is most certainly widely used for serious programming.
00:15:45 <sar3th> i did not mean that it is not used for serious things
00:15:51 <sar3th> but it is an interpreted language
00:15:54 <TimClark> So, in a sense, making it in Delphi, so common folks can't recomplie it, as much as we say they can, kinda locks them into US, that was the logic I was given
00:16:01 <sar3th> there is no real compiler for it translating it to native code
00:16:06 <sar3th> there are some attempts
00:17:17 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: its compiled code (still not native, but compiled) is fine. For performance-critical things it tends to not be quite as fast as C/C++ but sometimes it's faster... and it's definitely easier to code.
00:17:27 <ZachThibeau> anyways brb need to find a bug someone reported that may affect the portable version
00:17:32 <ZachThibeau> of PChat that is
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00:17:50 <Computator> i think the menu should keep track of the processes it starts (or another instead OPTIONALLY specified in the appinfo) so it can say "you still have something running" when you eject it, and not try (and fail) to stop it
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00:17:59 <Computator> what do you all think?
00:18:00 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
00:18:46 <Computator> oh, ZachThibeau, i'll repost that line
00:18:47 <Computator> <Computator> i think the menu should keep track of the processes it starts (or another instead OPTIONALLY specified in the appinfo) so it can say "you still have something running" when you eject it, and not try (and fail) to stop it
00:18:48 <ChrisMorgan> Computator: I think John's already thought of that - and is doing it better.
00:19:00 <Computator> oh ok, how?
00:19:07 <ChrisMorgan> Not clear on entirely how it's better, but it will be :P
00:19:18 <ZachThibeau> Computator: that was unecessary, i do have logs available to me via the log bot :P
00:19:27 <Computator> i got that idea from U3 (which i hate, but they got 1 0r 2 good ideas)
00:19:36 <Computator> oh, i forgot that, sorry :(
00:19:57 <ZachThibeau> no worries just remember that next time
00:20:14 <TimClark> Well, anyway, I'm kind of at a loss as to how to reply to the questioner
00:20:34 <Computator> ZachThibeau: ok....how would you see that unless you specifically look though btw?
00:21:09 <ZachThibeau> Computator: I bookmarked the logs url in my browser
00:21:09 <ChrisMorgan> Computator: if it was something good in U3, John will have it in his plans to implement such a feature - or better. He knows what he's doing with U3.
00:21:50 <TimClark> ChrisMorgan: well, minus the password protection at the hardware level :P
00:22:06 <Computator> it would be handy if you could add another optional line to the appinfo for a process to call that stops the app
00:22:08 <ChrisMorgan> TimClark: that's on the cards with hardware partnerships.
00:22:09 <Computator> oh yeah
00:22:30 <Computator> those 2 are the only ones i really miss from U3
00:22:57 <ChrisMorgan> TimClark: mainly that Delphi was chosen as the most convenient language initially and now it would be a very big burden to migrate it; also that some upcoming features would be very difficult to make available in any other environment (e.g. multi-touch support, gestures).
00:23:18 <Computator> and btw, what did you mean "He knows what he's doing with U3.", did he help w/ that sometime or something?
00:23:27 <Computator> oh COOL!
00:23:47 <TimClark> Computator: JTH has written for U3 before
00:23:56 <Computator> oh ok, cool
00:23:59 <TimClark> FFP and TBP
00:24:12 <ChrisMorgan> He did work with SanDisk on some of it (he provided the portable Mozilla apps for it - that's why there's a U3 apps forum in our site).
00:24:24 <Computator> oh ok...
00:24:38 <Computator> i made a few till i found out about portableapps...
00:25:00 <Computator> TimClark: sorry about the ellipses i keep forgetting :(
00:25:05 <ChrisMorgan> If I got a spare year some time it'd be fun trying to reimplement the PortableApps.com Platform in Python. But I rather suspect I won't get a spare year any time soon. :P
00:25:36 <TimClark> ChrisMorgan: would python be free/cheap ?
00:25:42 <Computator> yup
00:25:44 <ChrisMorgan> Python is a free language.
00:26:16 <TimClark> Cool, but then no one would need us, which is what I think the guy was trying to say :/
00:26:23 <ZachThibeau> so is c/c++
00:26:24 <ZachThibeau> :P
00:26:26 <ChrisMorgan> Something like that.
00:26:50 <TimClark> Then we would REALLY be FOSS :P
00:26:56 <sar3th> how can non-native code be faster than compiled code, i do not understand that
00:27:11 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: optimisation generally
00:27:12 <sar3th> or native code
00:27:25 <sar3th> well native code is optimized to the max
00:27:35 <sar3th> at least with good compilers
00:27:51 <TimClark> By the way, what are Firefox and thunderbird compiled with
00:28:01 <Computator> C++ iirc
00:28:04 <ChrisMorgan> They're C++ I believe
00:28:07 <sar3th> msvc i suppose
00:28:07 <Computator> most things are
00:28:34 <Computator> that's why i thought PA might be a little better in C++ or C
00:28:34 <sar3th> TimClark: checking
00:28:35 <TimClark> It's hard to belive they can do a whole browser or email client and we can't do a menu
00:29:33 <sar3th> FF is funded by Mozilla, they have a lot of money thanks to google and they have more than one developer
00:29:43 <sar3th> and they use a version-control system and a bugtracker
00:30:19 <Computator> why does that make a difference on C++?
00:30:27 <Gizmokid2005> Python would be horrible for the platform
00:30:27 <TimClark> No sar3th , I mean that the can write it in a way that someone can easily get the code and recomplie it themselves, as long as they remove the trademarks
00:30:43 <ChrisMorgan> TimClark: XUL is the big thing there. The Platform could be done as a C++/XULRunner app too, and you could get all sorts of snazzy effects fairly easily with CSS.
00:31:10 <sar3th> TimClark: it's not as easy as most people assume, you have to meet a whole lot of requirements before you can recompile it
00:31:18 <TimClark> Well ChrisMorgan , lets' do it !
00:31:22 <ChrisMorgan> Gizmokid2005/ZachThibeau/sar3th: part of the reason I think Python could be better than Delphi/C/C++ for the Platform is precisely /because/ it acts as an interpreted language. Providing an extension system with varying levels of integration with the Platform is then very easy to do - provide a few basic methods (which you would use anyway) and then just import the extension module.
00:32:05 <Computator> ahhh, i see
00:32:16 <TimClark> sar3th: requirements, I think that ZachThibeau said once it recompied it a few times
00:32:19 <Computator> on the other hand dthat's what dlls are for ;)
00:32:20 <ChrisMorgan> And extensions are, in my opinion, the next BIG thing about the Platform.
00:32:27 <Gizmokid2005> Python debugging is horrid at best..plus you have external libraries that would be a pain to include, and they're all very version specific
00:32:34 <Gizmokid2005> plus Python isn't stable in terms of version changes
00:32:36 <Computator> true...
00:32:45 <ZachThibeau> you can have the same thing with other programing languages though, via dll's etc to extend features
00:32:51 <ChrisMorgan> Gizmokid2005: I disagree with every one of your statements there.
00:32:53 <sar3th> TimClark: it is possible, but it is not as easy as others
00:33:10 <Gizmokid2005> I don't ChrisMorgan
00:33:14 <sar3th> compiling ff is more difficult than the platform, granted you have the right tools
00:33:19 <Gizmokid2005> I've been working on the dev of DamnVid to make it portable
00:33:25 <Gizmokid2005> and have run into /every single one/ of those problems
00:33:36 <TimClark> sar3th: I will have to take your word on that, I thought they made it so it was easily recomplied , in the spirit of OSS
00:33:53 <Computator> btw you guys, isn't this what the #portableapps-dev channel is for?
00:33:56 <sar3th> they did the best they could, but on windows it is difficult nevertheless
00:34:10 <ChrisMorgan> Gizmokid2005: what do you mean by "external libraries"? C modules? And the version changes - that doesn't tend to be an issue.
00:35:00 <sar3th> TimClark: in delphi, all you need to do is open the project and hit compile. you are done, nothing else needed :)
00:35:02 <ChrisMorgan> A DLL-based extension system would require a lot more "extension" framework - exposing functions etc. - than Python where you'd basically just have it all already available for use (or, I admit, abuse)
00:35:29 <sar3th> ChrisMorgan: you would also force people to exclusively use python for extensions
00:35:29 <Computator> yeah
00:35:41 <ChrisMorgan> Is that a bad thing?
00:35:45 <sar3th> yes
00:35:45 <Computator> depends on what you wanted to do in the plugin...
00:36:11 <sar3th> a dll is much better than a "proprietary" system, since dlls are language-independant
00:36:24 <Computator> you might only need like an init() and close() one (or something like that)
00:36:29 <TimClark> sar3th: but don't forget the $10,000.00
00:36:32 <sar3th> i can write dlls with delphi, c++, vb, ... and my application will still work perfectly
00:36:46 <sar3th> TimClark: $1000 max
00:36:59 <TimClark> sar3th: joke/joke/jk
00:37:06 <sar3th> at least that's what i found on their site
00:37:10 <sar3th> no worries
00:37:21 <sar3th> notice i said "granted you have the tools" :)
00:38:22 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: personally I think in a project our size (not a large developer-base), the diversity brought about by that would probably work against us. Having a single language for *everything* has distinct advantages.
00:39:06 <sar3th> then why switch to anything else from delphi?
00:39:13 <sar3th> i think john is more used to it than to python
00:40:26 <ChrisMorgan> True. I'm stating my opinion that *if* we were switching, Python would be a better choice than C/C++.
00:40:56 <ZachThibeau> and again there are people that would disagree with you on that but thats beside the point :P
00:41:01 <Computator> idk... i think C/C++
00:41:03 <Computator> yeah
00:41:08 <Computator> either would work
00:41:33 <ZachThibeau> but I would still like to see a python powered platform just for the fun of it though
00:41:47 <ChrisMorgan> And I'd like to have enough spare time to do it...
00:42:05 <ZachThibeau> I have the time but I prefer coding in c++
00:43:23 <Computator> how about BOTH :D
00:43:24 <Computator> jk
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03:31:40 <Conor> hey
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04:28:20 <massmc_> anyone know if "evolution mail" will one day become a portable app?
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04:47:42 <Computator> testing
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06:17:09 <pa_5740> ChrisMorgan: Hello Chris. :)
06:17:27 <ChrisMorgan> Hello pa_5740
06:17:53 <pa_5740> What do you think of this? http://www.lupopensuite.com/index.htm
06:19:35 <ChrisMorgan> http://portableapps.com/search/node/lupo
06:26:43 <pa_5740> ChrisMorgan: What can be done about such?
06:31:37 <pa_5740> ChrisMorgan: Although I did notice that they had Unlocker & CPU-Z among their list of apps.
06:32:07 <pa_5740> ChrisMorgan: Really curious because it says on this page: http://www.lupopensuite.com/db/author/unlocker.txt
06:32:20 <pa_5740> That they obtained permission to do such.
06:34:03 <ChrisMorgan> That guy isn't entirely unscrupulous; I wouldn't be surprised if he did get permission with them.
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06:51:38 <pa_5740> ChrisMorgan: Mind if I chat with you in private?
06:53:50 <ChrisMorgan> pa_5740: I'm about to go
06:54:02 <pa_5740> ChrisMorgan: Okay.
06:57:02 <pa_5740> To ask a different question, how portable is Unlocker Portable? For reference, I mean the one on the authors' site.
06:57:12 <pa_5740> http://ccollomb.free.fr/unlocker/#download
06:57:14 <ChrisMorgan> No idea.
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07:06:07 <pa_5740> Gringoloco: You around?
07:06:44 <Gringoloco> Yes, but don't scare me away ;)
07:09:10 <Gringoloco> pa_5740: Did you want to ask something ?
07:09:42 <pa_5740> Gringoloco: Yes, sorry for not repsonding.
07:10:42 <pa_5740> Gringoloco: In regards to my last question, do you know how portable Unlocker Portable is?
07:11:56 <Gringoloco> I wouldn't know, you'll have to try out yourself.
07:12:41 <pa_5740> Okay.
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07:23:10 <pa_5740> Well, I must be going now. Good night or Good morning, wherever you may be!
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08:47:55 <MadBraz> Good morning
08:48:18 <MadBraz> There are someone to help me with a issue????
08:49:34 <MaienM|Sleep> MadBraz: what issue do you have?
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08:49:53 <MadBraz> with GoogleEarthPlus Portable....
08:50:11 <MadBraz> until yesterday... this work 100%
08:50:14 <MadBraz> but right now
08:51:15 <MadBraz> When I click on EXE... nothing occur... just appear in process TAB from Windows Task Manager
08:51:34 <MadBraz> just like app HALT or something
08:51:42 <MaienM> hmmm
08:51:52 <MadBraz> what is this??? what can a do to solve this????
08:52:03 <MaienM> well you have to keep in mind that that is not one of our official apps, but a beta/test app
08:52:09 <MaienM> so it probably is a bug in the app
08:52:21 <MadBraz> ohhhh
08:52:26 <MadBraz> maybe
08:52:31 <MaienM> you probably want to post about it in the thread for the app, so the developer knows and can look into it
08:52:35 <MadBraz> But.... as I say....
08:52:41 <MadBraz> until yesterday... works
08:52:54 <ChrisMorgan> MadBraz: that's not from PortableApps.com at all, is it?
08:52:57 <MadBraz> something changes on my system???? or in the app????
08:53:03 <MaienM> well you could start by reinstalling it
08:53:07 <MaienM> to see if that fixes it
08:53:18 <MadBraz> I just try that
08:53:23 <MadBraz> aready do this
08:53:30 <MadBraz> but nothing fixes
08:53:42 <MaienM> MadBraz: just to clarify, did you get this app from portableapps.com?
08:53:54 <MadBraz> I got another apps from glogleearth too
08:54:01 <MadBraz> thats works perfect
08:54:07 <MadBraz> but this is a pro version
08:54:07 <ChrisMorgan> MadBraz: I think what you've got is an illegal app anyway - where did it come from?
08:54:15 <MadBraz> no
08:54:19 <MadBraz> not illegal
08:54:24 <auscompgeek> Are you sure?
08:54:30 <MadBraz> I just trying to use plusversion
08:54:33 <MadBraz> its free
08:54:48 <MaienM> MadBraz: please answer my question, did you get this from portableapps.com or not?
08:54:50 <ChrisMorgan> MadBraz: but the portable version didn't come from anywhere on portableapps.com?
08:55:07 <MadBraz> wiat a moment please
08:55:14 <MadBraz> sorry for my poor english
08:55:17 <auscompgeek> MadBraz: or did you create the portable app yourself?
08:55:17 <MadBraz> wait
08:55:23 <MadBraz> no...
08:55:28 <MadBraz> I just download this
08:55:35 <MadBraz> I show you where
08:55:56 <MaienM> also, GE+ has been discontinued for a while
08:56:09 <MaienM> nowadays it either is GE or GE Pro, the latter of which is not free
08:56:38 <MaienM> and for the record, GE+ wasn't free either
08:57:00 <MadBraz> alright
08:57:06 <MadBraz> this is the URL
08:57:07 <MadBraz> http://portableappz.blogspot.com/search?q=GoogleEarth
08:57:20 <MaienM> MadBraz: that definately is an illegal copy
08:57:30 <MaienM> that website is known to distribute illegal apps
08:57:31 <ChrisMorgan> So, it's an illegal rip and an illegal repackaging. I would strongly advise that you don't use any apps from that site; as well as being illegal some at least have serious issues with destroying the user profile and things like that.
08:57:38 <MadBraz> in this page
08:57:43 <auscompgeek> We are not affiliated with the PortableAppz blog in any way.
08:57:48 <MadBraz> you can see 2 versions
08:57:54 <MadBraz> I try the PLUS
08:57:59 <MadBraz> thats free
08:58:06 <ChrisMorgan> MadBraz: it's illegal.
08:58:12 <MadBraz> oh yeah
08:58:21 <MaienM> GE+ is NOT free, they just distribute it for free
08:58:29 <MadBraz> how can a know that????
08:58:35 <MadBraz> hummmmmm
08:58:38 <MaienM> it's like how you can download photoshop for free, but it really isn't
08:59:02 <MaienM> also, as I said, GE+ has been discontinued for over a year, so the version you get will be outdated
08:59:03 <MadBraz> tell me something
08:59:22 <MadBraz> on GE website
08:59:25 <MaienM> I advise to just use the version from us, the normal, non plus/pro version, which is completely legal
08:59:32 <MadBraz> there are a plus ver yet
08:59:47 <MadBraz> and for a free download too
08:59:58 <ChrisMorgan> MadBraz: http://earth.google.com/intl/en/enterprise/earth_plus.html
09:00:03 <MadBraz> where I just wrong there
09:00:08 <MaienM> nope, there just is a PRO, not a PLUS
09:00:16 <MadBraz> welll
09:00:27 <MadBraz> I just see with more attention so
09:00:43 <MadBraz> let me see this url you give me
09:00:52 <ChrisMorgan> It just says that Plus is discontinued.
09:01:52 <MadBraz> yeah
09:01:54 <MadBraz> thats right
09:02:13 <MadBraz> I just pass over from news
09:02:15 <MadBraz> sorry
09:04:36 <MadBraz> Thank you very much Chris....
09:04:54 <MadBraz> See ya
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09:05:31 <ChrisMorgan> That's the second question about their Google Earth in three days...
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09:09:25 <auscompgeek> Wow.
09:10:18 <MaienM> also, CM and auscompgeek, not to be a PITA but we have RULES about comments when someone is doing support, and those rules are not "make them in #portableapps"
09:10:53 <auscompgeek> afaik, I didn't make any "comments".
09:11:32 <MaienM> you did, a few times
09:11:42 <MaienM> anyway, I'm off to have breakfast now
09:13:12 * auscompgeek shrugs
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13:02:04 <ZachThibeau> ChrisMorgan: do you know where John is at in terms of the new installer format etc?
13:02:13 <ZachThibeau> like is he getting close to releasing it
13:02:27 <ChrisMorgan> I don't know
13:03:17 <ZachThibeau> :/ I know he's holding out updates till it's done but I got PChat 1.2 ready that I want to push on PortableApps.com soon
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14:44:59 <Computator> ZachThibeau: i found a problem on pchat-irc.com, on the downloads page, about halfway down on the right side it has a image that isn't there, the image url is http://pchat-irc.com/pchat-downloads/plugins/p17_image_gallery/images/2.png but nothing is there
14:47:29 <Computator> ZachThibeau: and also the forums link on the same page is a relative link, not a absolute link, so that doesn't work either, it makes the link point to http://pchat-irc.com/pchat-downloads/forums.html which of course says not found
14:51:26 <ZachThibeau> Computator: you have anything else unsignificant to report?
14:51:48 <ZachThibeau> I know of the issues, I'm just lazy thats all
14:51:52 <Computator> i'll tell you if i find something
14:51:54 <Computator> oh ok
14:51:56 <Computator> me too
14:52:12 <Computator> also: Tree View icons: Type /set tab_icons 1 to enable them and then restart PChat.
14:52:17 <Computator> i can't get that to work
14:52:27 <ZachThibeau> when I said you have anything else unsignificant to report? thats called sarcasm and read the comment in the docs
14:52:35 <ZachThibeau> please stop is all I can say
14:52:38 <Computator> ok
14:52:53 <Computator> sorry :(
14:53:01 <ZachThibeau> the docs are in need to of rewriting anyways
14:54:19 <Computator> ummm, sorry, i can't find a comment about it
14:54:24 <Computator> i searched it w/ google too
14:55:00 <Computator> and i've wanted that feature for awhile
14:57:48 <ZachThibeau> some of the icons and stuff are specific features of the shareware xchat build
14:58:01 <Computator> oh ok
14:58:06 <ZachThibeau> stuff zed refuses to share with others openly
14:58:14 <Computator> oh :P
14:59:06 <ZachThibeau> another reason I'm doing a rewrite is to have those specific features added :P
14:59:19 <Computator> oh ok cool
15:01:24 <ZachThibeau> I'm tempted to maybe impliment a basic skinning system too, nothing fancy though more like a personas feature similar to that of firefox
15:01:38 <Computator> that would be cool :)
15:01:52 <Computator> oh cool, a new release
15:01:54 <Computator> thanks :)
15:02:17 <ZachThibeau> and yes there is a new PChat release, the portable version will have to wait for the new installer for the platform though :/
15:02:28 <Computator> ok
15:04:25 <ZachThibeau> and the linux build will have to wait too since I screwed up my ubuntu install I had on my secondary partition trying to upgrade to 10.10 beta
15:05:21 <Computator> ohhh :( that's no fun
15:05:54 <ZachThibeau> the issue is related to fglrx though
15:07:13 <ZachThibeau> it didn't update the driver when the kernel upgraded, and the fgrlx ati driver needs to run with the kernel so what I mean is the driver is not compatible with the new kernel
15:07:35 <Computator> oh ok, i was guessing something like that
15:07:39 <Computator> that's no good
15:07:54 <Computator> drivers are no fun
15:09:32 <Computator> would it be possible to move the new messages marker up 1 or 2 px so the line immediately below it is easier to read? sometimes i have to clear the marker to tell
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15:13:44 <ZachThibeau> Computator: that road will be crossed when we get there, so please wait and be patient, we want to produce a functional binary first before taking on requests
15:13:59 <Computator> ok
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16:29:26 <Barkon> hi there
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16:30:36 <Barkon> how can i add a link to the portable add startmenu?
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16:32:46 <Barkon> anyone out there?
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16:34:48 <sar3th> hi Barkon
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16:35:03 <sar3th> so you wish to add a link to a website to the portableapps menu, am i right?
16:35:05 <Barkon> how can i add a link to the portable add startmenu? any idea?
16:35:18 <TimClark> Barkon: please stand by
16:35:30 <Barkon> k tim
16:36:05 <TimClark> Barkon: what do you mean when you say a "link", do you mean to an app, or a webpage link ?
16:36:15 <Barkon> to an app
16:36:19 <Barkon> *.lnk
16:36:26 <TimClark> please read this: http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#addingotherapps
16:36:34 <TimClark> That will show you how
16:37:00 <TimClark> Barkon: *.lnk is not an app, it is a short cut
16:37:25 <Barkon> sry im from germany :D vocabulary not so good :D
16:37:41 <TimClark> If you follow the instructions I have you it will show you where to put the APP so it will show up on the menu
16:38:09 <Barkon> thas how i add an *.exe to the menu
16:38:21 <Barkon> but there are to many *.exe in the app folder
16:38:30 <TimClark> If you REALLY want to just add a link [*.lnk] I don't know if you can
16:38:50 <TimClark> Barkon: you can hide the other .exes
16:39:02 <Barkon> 1 add hite 10? :D
16:39:14 <Barkon> *hide
16:39:22 <TimClark> If you are asking can you hide 10 .exes, yes
16:39:26 <Barkon> i just think it give another way
16:39:41 <TimClark> What is the app?
16:39:49 <Barkon> XAMPP :D
16:40:11 <TimClark> Barkon: please stand by
16:41:24 <TimClark> Barkon: sar3th will be helping you from this point
16:41:35 <Barkon> fine
16:41:51 <sar3th> Barkon: there is a way to add an entry to your menu which will point to anything you like
16:42:05 <sar3th> i wrote a guide on how to do it with batch files here: http://portableapps.com/node/21757
16:42:17 <Barkon> thx
16:42:40 <sar3th> you should be able to achieve what you want by following this guide and substituting your exe file where i speak of batch files
16:43:15 <Barkon> ill try
16:43:15 <Barkon> thx
16:43:40 <TimClark> Thank you sar3th , and good luck Barkon
16:43:41 <sar3th> you're welcome! if you got any problems or further questions, feel free to ask
16:45:05 * TimClark likes working with sar3th , he knows how to work in the background and come forth when asked :D
16:45:47 <sar3th> ty TimClark :)
16:46:13 <TimClark> Barkon: I am now going to open the floor for other things, if you need further help please jump in
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16:46:26 <TimClark> sar3th: I would like you check out something for me
16:46:54 <sar3th> sure thing
16:46:57 <TimClark> Please look at my reply to this: http://portableapps.com/node/24835#comment-157445
16:47:10 <TimClark> Does what I see/think make sense?
16:48:05 <TimClark> I'm not saying that I know where ANY of that stuff SHOULD be, but it does not seem to be where the app is looking for it
16:48:24 <TimClark> Based on LOGIC at least
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16:54:38 <sar3th> TimClark: what you said makes sense
16:56:13 <Barkon> sar3th: works fine thx
16:58:43 <sar3th> Barkon: good :)
16:59:00 <sar3th> TimClark: i assume his problems are related to the space in his directory
16:59:04 <Barkon> cya
16:59:09 <sar3th> bye Barkon
16:59:15 <sar3th> "PhotoScape Portable" should be "PhotoScapePortable"
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16:59:38 <TimClark> sar3th: do you mean the directory name ?
16:59:44 <sar3th> yes indeed
16:59:55 <TimClark> I agree, but locically that is not his problem
17:00:05 <sar3th> yes
17:00:31 <sar3th> i will try to reproduce that behaviour
17:01:04 <TimClark> You should not need to, it makes sense, his .ini and .ico are in the wrong place
17:01:28 <TimClark> Also , I looked at FFP and confiremed that that is where it has them
17:01:33 <sar3th> well, i do not understand why it looks in the wrong place
17:01:54 <TimClark> sar3th: It is not looking in the wrong place
17:02:02 <TimClark> He put them in the wrong place
17:02:07 <sar3th> C:\PhotoScape Portable\App\PhotoScape\App\AppInfo\
17:02:16 <sar3th> that is the wrong place
17:02:22 <sar3th> it should be C:\PhotoScape Portable\App\AppInfo\
17:02:24 <TimClark> that is where he SHOULD HAVE put them
17:02:32 <TimClark> ahh, I see what you mean
17:02:57 <TimClark> BUT what he did was put them in "C:\PhotoScape Portable\"
17:03:05 <sar3th> that is wrong as well
17:03:14 <TimClark> I know,
17:03:56 <TimClark> As I said above, I don't KNOW where they should go, but logically he did not put them where they are being looked for based on the error
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17:08:40 <sar3th> it is an error in the launcher
17:08:49 <sar3th> ERROR: R:\PhotoScape Portable\App\AppInfo\appinfo.ini doesn't exist!
17:09:21 <sar3th> or wait, let me double-check that
17:09:42 <TimClark> sar3th: I have update the post, please review it
17:11:12 <sar3th> yes
17:11:15 <sar3th> i'm sure now
17:11:27 <TimClark> I am not qualified to tell him where things SHOULD be, but I can point out that things are not where they are being looked for, and point out you point of where they usaully are
17:11:56 <sar3th> i will leave a message to clarify
17:12:40 <TimClark> Feel free
17:12:53 <TimClark> Just don't make me look stupid sar3th :p
17:13:04 <sar3th> no worries
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17:20:46 <sar3th> solanus was faster than me
17:21:06 <TimClark> Yes, but he replied to me, I will move his post
17:22:39 <sar3th> okay
17:23:05 <Computator> the launcher is being executed from the wrong directory
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17:23:38 <Computator> that is what is doing that
17:25:09 <Computator> it is having the current directory as C:\PhotoScape Portable\App\PhotoScape where the current directory should really be C:\PhotoScape Portable
17:25:51 <Computator> it may be like that because he has the launcher .exe in C:\PhotoScape Portable\App\PhotoScape as opposed to C:\PhotoScape Portable
17:26:49 <Computator> or it may be in C:\PhotoScape Portable like it's supposed to be but he started it in such a way that C:\PhotoScape Portable\App\PhotoScape is the current directory
17:27:06 <sar3th> i left a comment which should make everything clear
17:27:08 <TimClark> from soluns "If you are using the PortableApps Launcher, then the Launcher files are also in AppInfo."
17:27:53 <sar3th> Computator: current directory should not affect the launcher, but i have not verified that myself
17:28:02 <Computator> oh ok
17:28:14 <Computator> well is he using the PAL or his own custom launcher?
17:28:20 <sar3th> pal
17:28:23 <Computator> ok
17:28:50 <TimClark> If the new format says that the launcher is anywhere but \appNameportale\ that is really not logical if you think about it
17:29:13 <TimClark> Unless you have a laucher launching a launcher
17:29:27 <Computator> well from the error he got it would seem that it is affected by the currdir OR he put the PAL in the wrong directory (as above) so it has the wrong relative path in the first place
17:29:36 <sar3th> i'm sorry, but i lost track
17:29:49 <Computator> me or tim clark?
17:30:01 <sar3th> Computator: my comment should make it clear, don't you think? http://portableapps.com/node/24835#comment-157452
17:30:20 <sar3th> in reply to TimClark's \appNameporta[b]le\
17:31:04 <Computator> sar3th: i saw it, and afaict that might work, but it might be a workaround, i still think he probably has the PAL in the wrong directory
17:31:29 <sar3th> but i pointed out the correct location of PAL ,)
17:31:32 <sar3th> :P
17:31:47 <sar3th> PhotoScapePortable.exe = PAL
17:32:01 <sar3th> maybe i should clarify
17:32:02 <Computator> oh, true, i missed that
17:32:25 <sar3th> TimClark, what do you think about it?
17:32:46 <Computator> that should work then
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17:34:09 <TimClark> sar3th: I have updated my post "[edit: The replies form solanus and sar3th below don't really make a lot of sense to me but they are more accomplished at this than I am]"
17:34:47 <sar3th> aw
17:34:54 <sar3th> well, your statements were correct though
17:34:55 <TimClark> I still think that having the launcher anywhere other than \AppNamePortable\ makes NO logical sense
17:35:02 <sar3th> yes
17:35:06 <sar3th> that is true
17:35:23 <TimClark> It that part of the new PAF using PAL ?
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17:35:30 <sar3th> the launcher should be in that directory, as suggested by the directory structure
17:36:36 <sar3th> it is not related to PAL at all, the general convention is to have the launcher in \AppNamePortable and the main app in AppNamePortable\App\AppName\AppName.exe
17:36:49 <TimClark> When did this come about "App\AppInfo\Launcher\"
17:37:05 <sar3th> i don't know how that happened, i was unable to reproduce it
17:37:25 <sar3th> that's why Computator suggested a wrong working directory (if i understood correctly)
17:37:25 <TimClark> but you put it in your Final solution
17:37:33 <sar3th> yes
17:37:34 <Computator> yes you did
17:37:39 <sar3th> it's a requirement by PAL
17:37:49 <sar3th> it looks for its .ini-file in that directory
17:37:50 <TimClark> that sar3th was my question
17:37:54 <sar3th> ah
17:38:04 <TimClark> but you said "[12:36] <sar3th> it is not related to PAL at all"
17:38:12 <sar3th> i misunderstood
17:38:34 <sar3th> the answer is that PAL wants its configuration file (PortableAppPortable.ini) in App\AppInfo\Launcher
17:38:49 <Computator> sar3th: yes you did understand correctly about the current working directory
17:38:57 <TimClark> Anyway, chrismorgan will come along and straighten it all out
17:39:01 <sar3th> i assume CM came up with it, as he is the primary developer of PAL
17:39:20 <sar3th> if there is anything left to straigthen out :)
17:39:36 <Computator> yeah :D
17:39:50 <Computator> there only will be if someone misunderstands
17:39:52 <TimClark> Well, I tried my best, based on what he said, what I saw, and what I knew :/
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17:40:58 <sar3th> for further reference, my tests show that the current PAL is not influenced by its working directory
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18:04:40 <TimClarkIsAFK> sar3th: he has replied
18:05:38 <Computator> he still has the PAL in the wrong directory
18:05:48 <sar3th> yes
18:06:04 <sar3th> Computator: do you want to reply or should i go ahead?
18:06:11 <Computator> you can
18:06:23 <Computator> you guys have been doing it before
18:06:31 <Computator> otherwise i would
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18:08:07 <Computator> oh WAIT
18:08:39 <Computator> you actually told him the wrong directory in the previous post (i think it was a typo)
18:09:38 <TimClarkIsAFK> sar3th: if you need a typo repaired let me know
18:09:49 <Computator> you said PhotoScapePortable.exe was supposed to be in \PhotoScapePortable\App\PhotoScapePortable.exe whereas it should really be \PhotoScapePortable\PhotoScapePortable.exe
18:09:58 <sar3th> yes, indeed
18:10:14 <Computator> and he has it in \PhotoScapePortable\App\PhotoScapePortable.exe
18:10:25 <Computator> ( i can tell from the error)
18:10:31 <sar3th> yes
18:10:40 <Computator> am i correct then?
18:10:44 <sar3th> indeed
18:10:49 <Computator> ok :)
18:10:52 <Computator> cool
18:11:00 <Computator> and now we know how to fix it
18:12:04 <sar3th> TimClarkIsAFK: can you correct the following in my post
18:12:14 <TimClarkIsAFK> waiting
18:12:22 <sar3th> " - PhotoScapePortable.exe</pre>" <- this is the last line now, it is wrong
18:12:36 <Computator> sar3th: although fwiw, his diagram says he had it at \PhotoScapePortable\App\PhotoScape\PhotoScapePortable.exe although that may be because his diagram is hard to read
18:12:58 <sar3th> "-PhotoScapePortable.exe</pre>" <- this is the corrected line, notice the space at front is missing
18:13:36 <Computator> sar3th: sorry, i should have waited to type that till you finished
18:13:39 <Computator> :(
18:13:42 <TimClarkIsAFK> sar3th: is that the ONLY change you need ?
18:14:08 <sar3th> yes TimClarkIsAFK
18:15:31 <TimClarkIsAFK> Done, I really don't think that is going to make a difference, it was just a diagram, NOT actual code
18:15:32 <Computator> would it be less confusing to have that line right after the PhotoScapePortable line?
18:15:52 <Computator> yes it will make a difference
18:16:06 <Computator> otherwise they will put the file in the wrong spot
18:16:26 <TimClarkIsAFK> OK, LAST time, tell me what to do, and let's make this the LAST edit
18:16:34 <sar3th> Computator: that would lead to an inconsitent directoriy listing ;)
18:16:45 <Computator> sar3th: ok :)
18:17:28 <sar3th> TimClarkIsAFK: as i said, " -PhotoScapePortable.exe" needs to become "-PhotoScapePortable.exe", indicating that it is at the same level as the App subdirectory
18:17:44 <TimClarkIsAFK> I did that already
18:18:04 <Computator> and he put it in the wrong spot again :P C:\PhotoScapePortable\App\PhotoScape\PhotoScapePortable.exe as opposed to C:\PhotoScapePortable\PhotoScapePortable.exe
18:18:13 <Computator> you did tell him the right spot that time
18:18:35 <sar3th> TimClarkIsAFK: i refreshed the page, but somehow it has not updated for me
18:18:40 <TimClarkIsAFK> explain, this is getting annoying, i did what i was told
18:19:06 <Computator> sar3th: me either
18:19:11 <TimClarkIsAFK> I thought you might be asking to move it up higher to make it clear what level it was on
18:19:23 <TimClarkIsAFK> If not, fine
18:19:29 <Computator> i suggested that, sar3th didn't like my idea
18:19:38 <Computator> (that's ok though)
18:19:39 <TimClarkIsAFK> Oh, then shush Computator :P
18:19:48 <Computator> ok :D
18:20:25 <TimClarkIsAFK> ok, if you guys don't need me to edit the locked reply I'm gone again, sar3th you may right a follow up if you think he needs one
18:20:54 <sar3th> TimClarkIsAFK: i'm sending you the edited version again
18:21:45 <sar3th> pastebin does not like me it seems
18:22:17 <TimClarkIsAFK> this STILL look all wrong to me [from him] "C:\PhotoScapePortable\App\PhotoScape\App\Appinfo.ini "
18:23:05 <Computator> yeah
18:23:07 <sar3th> TimClarkIsAFK: updated post: http://pastebin.ca/1934509
18:23:16 <Computator> TimClarkIsAFK: <Computator> and he put it in the wrong spot again :P C:\PhotoScapePortable\App\PhotoScape\PhotoScapePortable.exe as opposed to C:\PhotoScapePortable\PhotoScapePortable.exe
18:23:16 <Computator> <Computator> you did tell him the right spot that time
18:24:38 <Computator> sar3th: i was thinking like this: http://pastebin.com/R30yFRsM
18:24:42 <Computator> but that looks ok
18:24:44 <TimClarkIsAFK> Computator: shush
18:25:12 <TimClarkIsAFK> sar3th: I am ready to paste the edit you made, ARE you sure ?
18:26:45 <sar3th> i will modify it to comply with Computator's suggestion, as it is indeed more clear that way
18:26:45 <TimClarkIsAFK> and Computator I like yours better, it is clearer, but I don't know if that is the standard format
18:27:13 <TimClarkIsAFK> waiting, provide new link when ready sar3th
18:27:48 <Computator> i don't know if it is either, but it works :)
18:28:48 <sar3th> http://pastebin.ca/1934513
18:29:02 <sar3th> this should make it absolutely clear.
18:29:14 <Computator> looks good to me
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18:31:27 <TimClarkIsAFK> Done
18:31:37 <sar3th> i see :/
18:32:16 <Computator> looks good to me
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18:34:39 <TimClarkIsAFK> At this point I think we need someone like JTH, CM, or someone who is absolutely sure about what is happening to look at it, I'm not even sure at this point if he is using PAL or not
18:35:15 <Computator> possibly, we do know what is happening though ;)
18:35:23 <TimClarkIsAFK> This still looks wrong "C:\PhotoScapePortable\App\PhotoScape\App\Appinfo.ini"
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18:35:44 <TimClarkIsAFK> And he does not seem to be picking that up,
18:35:45 <Computator> yeah
18:36:05 <TimClarkIsAFK> Didn't he even READ MY reply :/
18:36:10 <sar3th> he has not followed this direction: http://portableapps.com/node/24835#comment-157457
18:36:14 <Computator> <Computator> and he put it in the wrong spot again :P C:\PhotoScapePortable\App\PhotoScape\PhotoScapePortable.exe as opposed to C:\PhotoScapePortable\PhotoScapePortable.exe
18:36:14 <Computator> <Computator> you did tell him the right spot that time
18:37:13 <TimClarkIsAFK> Well sar3th , I would suggust that you point out in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS that THAT seems to be Wrong
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18:38:34 <TimClarkIsAFK> Is it POSSIBLE that the error is in his Launcher, that he accidently put a wrong path in IT
18:38:52 <Computator> i suppose, but i don't think he did
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18:39:39 <TimClarkIsAFK> So it is looking for "C:\PhotoScapePortable\App\PhotoScape\App\Appinfo.ini" when HE MEANT it to be looking in "C:\PhotoScapePortable\App\Appinfo.ini"
18:40:09 <TimClarkIsAFK> Anyway, I'm not a dev and I give up at this point
18:40:10 <sar3th> yes
18:40:14 <Computator> yeah
18:40:35 <TimClarkIsAFK> /afk again
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18:43:26 <TimClark> Ok guys, I have to ask, Do you Think, / Are you convinced that he is trying to use PAL ?
18:43:34 <sar3th> yes
18:43:40 <sar3th> convinced
18:43:56 <Computator> yes i am
18:43:58 <sar3th> <TimClarkIsAFK> Well sar3th , I would suggust that you point out in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS that THAT seems to be Wrong
18:43:59 <sar3th> done
18:44:03 <sar3th> http://portableapps.com/node/24835#comment-157459
18:44:57 <Computator> good
18:44:57 <TimClark> It seems to be that the PAL format only makes things easier for folks that have taken, PAL 101, 102, 103 AND have read the documentation AND then had it tranlated into english and then have released an app
18:45:13 <Computator> lol, idk about that
18:45:18 <Computator> it makes sense to me
18:45:26 <TimClark> But for anyone using it the first time, it seems to make no sense
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18:46:21 <Computator> i don't know about that
18:46:22 <sar3th> TimClark: in that respect, it's partially the PAF format and PAL's requirements that make no sense
18:47:00 <sar3th> we might have a launcher bug
18:47:39 <Computator> ummm, i don't think so, although it is possible
18:47:59 <TimClark> Well, it seems to be like learning to tie your shoes, Once you know how it's easy, but learning it from scratch seems to be very hard
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18:48:19 <sar3th> he did the right thing then
18:48:58 <Computator> maybe i have a advantage in that i am used to computers, idk. other than that though it seems pretty easy to understand to me
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18:50:48 <sar3th> do you know about photoscape's licensing?
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18:51:10 <sar3th> i cannot open the site
18:51:15 <Computator> i don't even know what it is
18:51:47 <TimClark> sar3th: lets not go there, he said it was for private use
18:51:55 <sar3th> okay
18:52:18 <Computator> hmmm, he said confirmed....
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18:52:29 <Computator> weird...
18:52:35 <sar3th> otherwise, my next suggestion would have been to zip his folder structure and post a link to it
18:52:36 <TimClark> sar3th: I still think it's not the .exe
18:52:51 <Computator> ahhh i see
18:52:52 <TimClark> it's the location of the .ini
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18:53:13 <Computator> sar3th: how about a screenshot in explorer's tree view?
18:53:30 <sar3th> TimClark: but the exe is looking in the wrong place, at least it's CLAIMING that
18:53:31 <TimClark> [13:39] <@TimClarkIsAFK> So it is looking for "C:\PhotoScapePortable\App\PhotoScape\App\Appinfo.ini" when HE MEANT it to be looking in "C:\PhotoScapePortable\App\Appinfo.ini"
18:53:50 <sar3th> you mean he accidentally mistyped?
18:54:31 <Computator> TimClark: it is, but PhotoScapePortable.exe is looking for it in the wrong place because PhotoScapePortable.exe itself is in the wrong place
18:54:32 <TimClark> SOMETHING is looking in "C:\PhotoScapePortable\App\PhotoScape\App\" it's part of the error message, remember
18:54:45 <Computator> TimClark: see above
18:55:17 <TimClark> Computator: that much is beyond me,
18:55:26 <sar3th> i'll make sure
18:55:27 <TimClark> HOW do you tell the launcher where to be looking
18:55:41 <Computator> i think it is built in for appinfo.ini
18:55:47 <sar3th> no!
18:55:54 <sar3th> the launcher ALWAYS looks in the same place
18:56:02 <Computator> i don't think it will let you change that
18:56:03 <TimClark> which should be located WHERE Computator ?
18:56:03 <sar3th> <launcher directory>\App\AppInfo\appinfo.ini
18:56:10 <Computator> yeah that's what i meant
18:56:20 <Computator> sar3th and i are saying the same thing
18:56:52 <TimClark> Well SOMETHING is telling it to LOOK in "C:\PhotoScapePortable\App\PhotoScape\App\" read the error message
18:57:06 <Computator> <Computator> TimClark: it is, but PhotoScapePortable.exe is looking for it in the wrong place because PhotoScapePortable.exe itself is in the wrong place
18:57:12 <sar3th> which is most likely due to a wrong launcher placement
18:57:22 <sar3th> which we seem to be able to rule out
18:57:31 <sar3th> as he confirmed that it is in the right place
18:57:42 <Computator> (supposedly)
18:57:43 <TimClark> Ok, if you guys say so, I step back
18:57:56 <sar3th> which leads to the final assumption that it might be some kind of wired a bug
18:57:56 <TimClark> but I thought you said that the launcher did not care where it was put
18:58:12 <Computator> no, it doesn't care where it is run from
18:58:19 <sar3th> yes
18:58:20 <Computator> but it DOES care where it is put
18:59:17 <Computator> TimClark: do you know how working directories (aka current directories) work?
18:59:48 <TimClark> That is NOT logical it is RUN from where it is PUT, so it cares or it does not
19:00:08 <Computator> that's not true
19:00:16 <sar3th> it is not necessarily ran from where it is put
19:00:17 <TimClark> Unless otherwise stated the current dir is the working dir
19:00:29 <sar3th> yes
19:00:29 <Computator> yes
19:00:47 <sar3th> this is getting more and more confusing
19:01:09 <Computator> i think we are confusing ourselves lol
19:01:32 <sar3th> i think we are mainly confusing TimClark ;)
19:01:42 <Computator> and sarth, if you make more posts it may help if you include the C:\ part in the paths
19:01:46 <Computator> yes i agree
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19:27:27 <GizmoBot> sar3th hopes he will have more time for pa soon :/
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20:07:24 <TimClark> 6 times so far
20:11:16 <Computator> @ zach?
20:12:17 <TimClark> Sorry, wrong tab Computator
20:12:23 <Computator> oh ok
20:12:30 <Computator> you are fine :)
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22:52:22 <TimClarkIsAFK> ChrisMorgan: you assistance please
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22:52:31 <ChrisMorgan> Ya?
22:53:17 <TimClark> i have removed his link as this was the wrong place to put it , but should he be posting this at all
22:53:18 <TimClark> http://portableapps.com/news/2010-07-26_-_google_chrome_portable_5.0.375.125#comment-157470
22:53:57 <ChrisMorgan> Was it an online installer?
22:54:04 <TimClark> I mean, isn't the project The MAZZTer's
22:54:19 <TimClark> ChrisMorgan: I will pm you the link in a second
22:54:24 <ChrisMorgan> That too. I don't really like it when other people "helpfully update it".
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23:06:31 <Gizmokid2005> That reminds me...I have to update songbird...
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