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08:20:37 <pa_5740> ChrisMorgan: May I PM you about something?
08:20:54 <pa_5740> If you don't mind.
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08:26:39 <pa_5740> Oh well.
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08:48:42 <TheGoodBadUgly> hello. just figured i would test this out.
08:48:52 <auscompgeek> Hm?
08:49:41 <TheGoodBadUgly> Will future PA menus have the ability to organise applications by groups (other than just Favourites)?
08:51:18 <auscompgeek> After it's done.
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08:52:11 <TheGoodBadUgly> After what is done?
08:58:39 <TheGoodBadUgly> Help! How do you get to the "New Options Windows and Theme Selector"?
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10:45:23 <pa_8720> Hi, I have installed portable apps under \Apps\ of my flash drive and would like to modify the autorun.inf file to load the launcher in win7 everytime i stick in the key, what do i need to modify?
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12:30:29 <pa_0174> SPAM - http://portableapps.com/user/155987
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15:15:25 <pa_9431> hey there
15:15:30 <pa_9431> whats this all about?
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15:17:08 <Computator> lol
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16:41:08 <Computator> there, hopefully that should be the end of my wifi problems :)
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22:04:12 * pa_4590 loves PortableApps.com :D
22:04:18 * pa_4590 lol
22:04:21 <pa_4590> lol
22:04:27 <pa_4590> cls
22:05:14 <pa_4590> *QUESTION*: Who can I find the Source Code from the Portable Firefox Loader?? :) Can anyone help me?
22:06:34 <sar3th> hello pa_4590
22:06:39 <sar3th> "Source Code: Launcher source (included), Firefox source"
22:06:43 <sar3th> taken from http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable
22:06:55 <sar3th> so look in your portable firefox's other\source folder
22:08:00 <pa_4590> thanks! is the loader compatibel with ff 4 too?
22:08:22 <sar3th> there is a seperate version 4 of firefox portable
22:08:24 <ChrisMorgan> pa_4590: we have builds of Firefox 4 available.
22:09:20 <pa_4590> i need ONE loader for firefox 3 + 4
22:10:00 <ChrisMorgan> pa_4590: ?
22:10:20 <ChrisMorgan> They have different launchers; the one launcher can't run both versions.
22:10:33 <pa_4590> :/ shit...
22:10:47 <pa_4590> :(
22:11:19 <ChrisMorgan> pa_4590: please keep your language clean. But still, I don't understand what you mean by one loader for FF 3 and 4
22:12:14 <pa_4590> I fallow a loader to load can firefox 3 and 4.
22:12:49 <pa_4590> This loader is almost perfect: ftp://ftp.hosteurope.de/mirror/stadt-bremerhaven.de/Portable_Firefox/FirefoxLoader.exe
22:13:01 <pa_4590> but i need an open source loader...
22:15:43 <ChrisMorgan> What /is/ that "loader"?
22:15:53 <ChrisMorgan> I don't understand what you mean by a "loader" for it.
22:16:36 <pa_4590> A .exe who loads the firefox with the Profiles Folder etc
22:17:04 <ChrisMorgan> I still don't understand what do you mean and what is different from what our launchers do.
22:17:47 <pa_4590> can the PortableApps-Loader Loads the Portable Firefox 3 and 4 or is it not compatible??
22:18:30 <sar3th> your "loader" does not seem to do anythign for me
22:18:36 <ChrisMorgan> I still don't understand what you mean.
22:18:42 <ChrisMorgan> Each portable app has its own launcher.
22:18:50 <ChrisMorgan> That launcher launches the portable app.
22:19:54 <pa_4590> Yes, I know. But is the code for the loader of the Firefox versions 3 and 4 different or is it the same code?
22:20:30 <ChrisMorgan> It's probably the same code but I'm not certain. Why does it matter?
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22:21:49 <pa_4590> This loader must be copied and can only use it for any portable version of Firefox, either 3.x or 4.x If this is your case even possible?
22:22:01 <ChrisMorgan> Why?
22:23:38 <ChrisMorgan> I don't see what you're trying to achieve.
22:23:59 <pa_4590> Because I then have to adapt only once the code and the exe. Then again can use;)
22:24:18 <ChrisMorgan> Why are you wanting to change the code at all? What are you trying to do with it?
22:24:35 <pa_4590> So I need the code will not adjust to each new version
22:24:43 <ChrisMorgan> But WHY?
22:25:32 <ChrisMorgan> If something becomes an issue with portability, of course the launcher will be changed to fix it. That hasn't happened for a while, but it could potentially happen at almost any release.
22:27:04 <pa_4590> I would like that is a few minutes after the release of the full version of the portable release. Since I have no time to rewrite the loader ;)
22:29:33 <pa_4590> With what program I can actually open the code edit, and save as .exe?
22:29:49 <ChrisMorgan> You don't seem to be explaining anything about what you're trying to achieve.
22:31:25 <pa_4590> With what program I can actually open the code edit, and save as .exe?
22:33:59 <pa_4590> Okay, an other question. Can i download the PortableApps.com Suite in GERMAN or only english??
22:34:22 <ChrisMorgan> Our launchers are written in NSIS.
22:35:03 <ChrisMorgan> The Suite is only available in English, but you can install the Platform and run it in German and use the German versions of the apps.
22:35:13 <ChrisMorgan> But still, you seem to be evading my question.
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22:36:55 <ChrisMorgan> Are you, or am I misconstruing the evidence?
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22:38:56 <pa_3046> Sorry @ChrisMorgan my connection is aborted
22:39:03 <pa_3046> What was your question??
22:39:11 <ChrisMorgan> pa_3046: what are you trying to achieve?
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22:40:55 <pa_3046> Start the app. My app is built not as complicated as the one of you. Look at one time to: ftp://ftp.hosteurope.de/mirror/stadt-bremerhaven.de/Portable_Firefox/Portable_Firefox_4.0Beta5.exe ;)
22:42:03 <ChrisMorgan> But you can start the app with the launcher that's included - just update the app and it's ready.
22:44:25 <pa_3046> I will make my own, portable apps. but i need an good loader
22:44:33 <pa_5740> pa_3046: In regards to this, "With what program I can actually open the code edit, and save as .exe?"
22:44:36 <ChrisMorgan> What do you mean?
22:44:44 <pa_5740> You have to use the NSIS program to compile the script files (which BTW, are in a *.nsh format if I'm correct).
22:45:39 <ChrisMorgan> pa_3046: do you mean making your own portable apps of any apps, or what?
22:45:56 <pa_3046> of firefox
22:46:19 <pa_5740> Just make sure you get permission first. :)
22:47:17 <pa_3046> example: Firefox 4 Beta 6 releases today 00:50. I will make an portable Firefox 4 Beta 6 and release the beta at 00:55. = No time for adapt the loader
22:47:31 <ChrisMorgan> pa_3046: if you're really concerned about the slight delay that there often is between releases of Firefox and of Firefox Portable, you can just run the inbuilt updater. It works fine with ours.
22:48:17 <pa_3046> permission? from mozilla or what?
22:48:34 <pa_5740> Mozilla.
22:48:54 <pa_5740> Because of their logos & such.
22:49:40 <pa_3046> inbuilt updater only updates the full releases. he shows no updates to beta
22:49:52 <pa_5740> Hmm.
22:51:49 <pa_3046> ftp://ftp.hosteurope.de/mirror/stadt-bremerhaven.de/Portable_Firefox/FirefoxLoader.exe <- this loader has everything I need and works for an update on work (even with firefox 3 and 4 also yet). but unfortunately he is not open source and I will make some small adjustments ...
22:52:30 <ChrisMorgan> pa_3046: that's not true; 4b5 will update to 4b6 if you're in the beta channel update, which you should be.
22:52:30 <pa_5740> pa_3046: By "inbuilt updater", which should be, "built-in updater", do you mean the Firefox updater?
22:52:48 <pa_5740> Or the PortableApps.com Updater?
22:53:36 <pa_3046> firefox updater
22:53:53 <pa_5740> Did you try the PA.c updater?
22:54:30 <pa_5740> To ask a better question, what version of the PortableApps.com suite are you using?
22:57:44 <pa_3046> I download the 1.6.1 from here: http://portableapps.com/suite at the moment
22:58:01 <pa_3046> but how can i choose the lang to german??? :/
22:58:18 <pa_5740> I think you have to use the 2.0 beta for that.
22:58:31 <pa_5740> But I'm not 100% sure about that.
22:58:37 <pa_5740> One second please.
22:59:06 <pa_3046> k
23:00:24 <pa_3046> Ouh, i have a german version now, i think ;)
23:00:28 <pa_3046> http://portableapps.com/de/download <- :)
23:00:47 <pa_5740> Okay, you can do it with the version you're using.
23:01:00 <pa_5740> Click on options,
23:01:29 <pa_5740> Put your pointer on "Language", the click "German".
23:01:59 <pa_5740> Although that works too. :)
23:02:15 <pa_5740> The link you gave, I mean.
23:02:49 <pa_5740> Back to the loader concerns, what is your goal concerning such?
23:02:51 <pa_3046> i download now the german version from the link
23:02:57 <pa_5740> OK.
23:05:07 <pa_3046> I need a loader that works for ALL future versions of Firefox, so I do not always write a new one.
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23:07:06 <pa_5740> I'm not sure if that's quite possible, due to changes in the program, but I'm not a programmer, so I could be wrong.
23:08:13 <pa_5740> But if PortableApps.com has a portable Firefox, why would you have to develop your own? (unless there's something special that you need)
23:09:01 <pa_3046> i need custom bookmarks, rss feeds and so one ;)
23:09:11 <pa_3046> i need it for my blog
23:09:15 <pa_3046> my portable versions of Firefox have made it very easy. not as complicated as that of portableapps.com. you see this out: ftp://ftp.hosteurope.de/mirror/stadt-bremerhaven.de/Portable_Firefox/Portable_Firefox_4.0Beta5.exe
23:09:54 <pa_5740> Obtaining now.
23:09:58 <pa_3046> but this is a german version ;)
23:10:55 <pa_5740> I'll see what I can do, but be warned, I don't really know German that well. :)
23:12:10 <ChrisMorgan> pa_3046: I think you're overcomplicating things unnecessarily.
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23:12:38 <GizmoBot> zachthibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
23:12:52 <ChrisMorgan> I would be fairly confident that our version of Firefox Portable is better than that one. What's more, it's legal, and I'm not sure that one is.
23:13:03 <pa_5740> ChrisMorgan: Should we take this to a private chat?
23:13:10 <ChrisMorgan> ?
23:14:54 <pa_5740> I mean, I PM him and such.
23:16:23 <pa_5740> pa_3046: Did you get permission to make Firefox portable?
23:17:01 <pa_3046> i've write an mail to mozilla and wait for the answer now ;)
23:17:34 <pa_3046> i have the beta 5 portable. the actualest PortableApps.com-Firefox is Beta 3 :o
23:17:56 <pa_5740> One moment please.
23:18:52 <pa_5740> Yep, that is the latest version that PA.c has.
23:19:52 <pa_3046> I am much faster than PA.com :P
23:20:06 <pa_5740> Concerning your Firefox, pa_3046, you probably should have waited for permission to make Firefox portable before actually making it portable.
23:21:08 <pa_3046> The permit will come soon, i hope ;)
23:22:22 <pa_5740> OK, but until then, I think you should remove the link.
23:22:41 <ChrisMorgan> pa_3046: so you're trying to redistribute Firefox, not just use it yourself?
23:22:52 <sar3th> the permission is not really needed to make firefox portable, but in order not to violate trademarks when you redistrubute firefox and redistributing it in a modified state you need their permission i think
23:22:55 <ChrisMorgan> Permission for an individual is extremely unlikely to be given.
23:23:20 <pa_5740> Thanks. :)
23:23:47 <pa_5740> I mean for the details on permission.
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23:28:18 <pa_5740> In regards to this "I am much faster than PA.com :P", do bear in mind that they have to do a lot of portable app making & mantain the website in addition to their personal lives. Not that I'm saying that you need for the latest version isn't important, but that's just something to be considered. :)
23:29:37 <ChrisMorgan> And normally we have releases out within several hours and almost always within a day - in lots of languages too. Just at the moment some important work is being done on the Installer before any more releases are made.
23:30:21 <pa_5740> pa_3046: Does this help your situation?
23:31:38 <pa_3046> ?
23:31:55 <pa_5740> I mean, is your problem solved?
23:33:31 <pa_5740> pa_3046: To ask a different question, is there a specific reason that you need the latest version of Firefox?
23:33:36 <pa_3046> Yes, thanks to all. I use an other loader
23:34:33 <pa_3046> @pa_5740 yes. the new beta has a better menu under the "Firefox" button
23:34:44 <pa_3046> :P
23:35:02 <pa_5740> pa_3046: OK.
23:38:34 <pa_5740> pa_3046: Any more questions? :)
23:39:15 <pa_3046> no thanks.
23:39:25 <pa_3046> i go to bed now. gn8 all and thanks for the support
23:39:54 <pa_5740> Okay, have a good sleep! :)
23:40:34 <pa_5740> ChrisMorgan: Mind if I PM you about something?
23:40:56 <ChrisMorgan> Probably not - but generally it would be preferred to do things in public if reasonable
23:41:20 <pa_5740> OK.
23:42:18 * pa_3046 go to bed now.
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