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01:19:12 <ChrisMorgan> Oh goodie, my NSIS parser for ohcount for ohloh seems to be working (except it breaks the test parser, not sure why yet). That should put the code line count for the PortableApps.com Launcher up from about 800 lines to about 7000 lines...
01:19:37 <sar3th> ohcount?
01:19:40 <sar3th> ohloh?
01:20:44 <ChrisMorgan> Yes.
01:23:30 <ChrisMorgan> https://www.ohloh.net/p/portableapps
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01:36:17 <sar3th> i miss choice.com
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02:17:02 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
02:18:45 <ZachThibeau> Howdy JohnTHaller, any eta of the new PortableApps installer?
02:19:04 <JohnTHaller> tomorrow am :)
02:19:17 <ZachThibeau> nice :)
02:19:42 <ZachThibeau> I shall get the new PChat package ready for tomorrow then
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03:35:22 <pa_0479> hello
03:36:33 <pa_0479> hello
03:37:26 <pa_0479> any1 there
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03:41:24 <pa_0479> Gizmokid2005
03:42:28 <Gizmokid2005> pa_0479: if you have a question, ask it...if someone is around and can answer, theyw ill
03:42:33 <Gizmokid2005> pinging random people won't help you.
03:42:43 <pa_0479> hi
03:42:47 <pa_0479> new here
03:43:03 <pa_0479> didnt know i was pinging
03:43:28 <pa_0479> whenwill the new version of firefox come out
03:43:39 <pa_0479> and seamonkey
03:44:21 <Bensawsome> when it comes out.
03:44:37 <Bensawsome> there are no deadlines on this site
03:44:51 <Bensawsome> although they like to try to do it within a day
03:44:54 <pa_0479> aware of that
03:45:03 <Bensawsome> as you can see thats not always possible
03:45:04 <Bensawsome> lol
03:47:05 <pa_0479> these portables are very good
03:47:22 <pa_0479> your site has the most reliable
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10:43:15 <Moonbase> help!
10:43:15 <GizmoBot> Moonbase: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
10:45:44 <Moonbase> Hi everyone. Just stumbled across PortableApps and trying to make a freeware screenshot program portable (uses .INI files in app dir), but all the info on the web site is just overwhelming. Q: Do I need to put the app's INI files into the Data/settings folder? How to move them there (and back)? Any assistance or helpful hints appreciated!
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11:52:15 <MaienM|Sleep> Moonbase: yes, all settings should be placed in the Data directory
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11:52:47 <MaienM> some programs have a command line switch you can use to place them there, in other cases your launcher will have to take care of that
11:52:57 <MaienM> Moonbase: http://portableapps.com/node/14868
11:53:43 <MaienM> that is a topic about the basics of creating a portable apps. I suggest taking a look at that, and some of the launchers mentioned there, to get a feel for what a launcher/portable app does and how to archieve that
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12:26:01 <pa_4158> hi how can i uninstall portabble apps ?
12:26:15 <pa_4158> i try to delete but it didn't works
12:27:30 <Moonbase> Cheers, MaienM. I already read the "Guerilla Guide" but can't find how (and if) to move .INI files. So I basically have a "portable" app that expects its INI wherever the EXE is – I must still move the INI into Data/settings?
12:28:11 <MaienM> yep
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12:28:53 <MaienM> Notepad++ Portable Moves files and then adjusts them so that any open files from your flash drive will now open on your new host.
12:29:15 <MaienM> looks like notepad++ has to move files too, so I guess it's launcher would be a decent place to start
12:29:53 <Moonbase> Yeah, I thought I should get deeper into that one … it’s just a little much for starters ;-)
12:30:35 <Moonbase> (Especially since the app already runs fine from a stick – but perfectionist that I am I want to have it in PA format …)
12:30:41 <MaienM> yeah, it can be a little overwhelming at first
12:31:52 <Moonbase> So basically, the INI that has to be next to the EXE while running needs to be copied there first and copied back after run, right? In order to keep a clean structure and make backing up things more easy?
12:32:54 <MaienM> yep
12:33:13 <MaienM> also, when reinstalling an app the data directory remains safe
12:33:25 <MaienM> so otherwise people would lose their settings at each update
12:34:01 <Moonbase> Ah ok. Re packaging – is there a difference between freeware (as this one is) and open source? I remember reading that I’m only allowed to do a "launcher" instead of a paf.exe?
12:34:47 <MaienM> that depends on the license of the app
12:35:06 <MaienM> generally speaking you can freely distrubute OSS apps, but not so much for freeware
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12:35:20 <Moonbase> Hm, it’s a German-language app and the site only states "freeware, at no cost".
12:35:37 <MaienM> well the thing is, are you allowed to redistribute it freely?
12:35:47 <MaienM> if so, a normal app is fine
12:35:52 <MaienM> if not, launcher-only it is
12:36:05 <MaienM> with an option to make the installer download the app from the site, if possible
12:37:23 <Moonbase> What exactly would be the difference between a "launcher" and the paf.exe? I didn’t really catch the difference (yet).
12:37:51 <Moonbase> Sorry for all those beginner’s questions … hope I don’t take too much of your time …
12:38:19 <Moonbase> The option to have the user download from the site sounds great, though.
12:39:37 <Moonbase> Would there be a good example app that has a launcher+download option for me to check into?
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13:54:22 <pa_4379> porque naõ consigo instalar programas
13:54:59 <pa_4379> why i can't install software no portable
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14:04:22 <nate108> will a faster transfer rate make the PortableApps.com Platform run faster?
14:05:42 <nate108> Help!
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15:03:53 <pa_3459> How to i get my usb to start automaticaly when i plug it?
15:04:26 <Computator> you can't you have to click at least once to run it
15:04:41 <Computator> it can't just start totally automatically
15:04:49 <pa_3459> thanx
15:04:50 <pa_3459> oh ok
15:05:16 <Computator> yw :)
15:05:39 <pa_3459> is there a way i can get this reminder message to pop up so i don't keep forgetting my usb anywhere?
15:05:59 <Computator> what do you mean?
15:06:58 <pa_3459> like, i was reading something and it says that when u'r closing da pc, da message will pop up saying somethin like "unplug usb"
15:07:18 <Computator> oh, i haven't heard of that
15:07:26 <Computator> someone else here might have though
15:07:38 <pa_3459> o
15:07:41 <pa_3459> ok
15:07:57 <pa_3459> next question... lol
15:08:02 <Computator> ok :)
15:08:32 <pa_3459> how do i put a password on my usb so even if someone steal it, dat person won't be able to access anything?
15:08:47 <Computator> with encryption software...
15:08:54 <Computator> i think we have some...
15:08:58 <Computator> lemme check
15:09:00 <pa_3459> ok
15:11:58 <Computator> doesn't look like we have any official ones but there are 2 being made
15:12:13 <pa_3459> oh ok
15:12:18 <Computator> but since they aren't done yet they aren't guaranteed to work exactly perfectly
15:12:20 <pa_3459> so i guess i'll have to wait...
15:12:40 <Computator> you can try them, they just aren't perfect yet
15:12:41 <Computator> http://portableapps.com/node/11791
15:12:47 <Computator> http://portableapps.com/node/14374
15:12:47 <pa_3459> ok
15:12:52 <pa_3459> Tnx
15:12:58 <Computator> those 2 are the ones i found
15:13:00 <Computator> yw :)
15:13:14 <pa_3459> how will i know when they're finished?
15:13:46 <Computator> they will be listed with the other official apps here: http://portableapps.com/apps
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15:14:52 <Dald> It's still me Computator
15:14:56 <Computator> ok :)
15:14:59 <Dald> sorry i closed by mistake
15:15:13 <Computator> i guessed as much lol
15:15:16 <Computator> it's ok :)
15:15:18 <Dald> lol
15:15:27 <Dald> did u say something i didnt get?
15:15:50 <Computator> <pa_3459> how will i know when they're finished?
15:15:50 <Computator> <Computator> they will be listed with the other official apps here: http://portableapps.com/apps
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15:16:42 <Dald> oh ok cool
15:16:55 <MaienM> the "official" way is to use truecrypt, which is official, but it does require admin privileges
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15:17:10 <Dald> aight
15:17:12 <Dald> hmm
15:17:46 <MaienM> other than that there are no official (or unofficial that I know of, for that matter) ways to make your usb password protected
15:18:17 <Computator> thx MaienM :)
15:19:20 <Dald> ok
15:19:21 <Dald> tnx
15:20:48 <Computator> btw http://mmfail.co.cc/wiki/Useful_GizmoBot_Definitions
15:20:52 <Computator> gives a 404
15:21:16 <Computator> oops wrong channel
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16:03:09 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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18:53:54 <Drive-Dude> Hi I need support
18:54:07 <JacobMastel> What can we help you with?
18:57:24 <Drive-Dude> I was thinking why did it changing on PortableApps.com Platform there were you can see how much space it is on you USB Flash Drive. It was great before even better then it is now. If you dont konw what I mean. Take a look on the screenshot on PortableApps.com
18:57:53 <JacobMastel> You mean the indicator of how much space is available?
18:58:09 <Drive-Dude> yes
18:58:28 <Drive-Dude> I did like it where it was
18:58:38 <JacobMastel> And the problem with it now being?
19:00:32 <Drive-Dude> It is not as cool as it was before. Can somebody make a feature so people could choose which alternative version of the indicator people wantes to use
19:00:52 <Drive-Dude> jusr asking
19:00:56 <Drive-Dude> just
19:01:32 <JacobMastel> If you change the theme it will change the indicator as well as it's color.
19:01:45 <JacobMastel> Other than that you'd have to edit the source code.
19:04:56 <Drive-Dude> I was not taking about that a theme. I was taking about the old indicator like on Beta 4 and 1.6.1
19:06:44 <Drive-Dude> I am not making a complain. I am just asking
19:08:51 <JacobMastel> I don't believe so.
19:09:08 <Drive-Dude> In what?
19:10:23 <JacobMastel> I guess I'm confused as to what exactly you want...
19:10:31 <JacobMastel> You want the new beta to look like the old menu?
19:10:43 <JacobMastel> 2. back down to the 1.6 style?
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19:14:51 <pa_3028> Does anybody know if portable applications are linked to the directory they are installed in, or am I free to move them to other directories? Ex: could I temporarily copy the FirefoxPortable folder to the desktop of a computer for faster access and then copy it back to the flash drive when I finish?
19:15:22 <Drive-Dude> I mean why did the indicator of how much space is available was moved it used to be in the between
19:18:00 <Drive-Dude> Still confused?
19:18:10 <benedikt93> pa_3028, this won't work with almost all apps from PortableApps.com anf isn't officially supported
19:18:49 <pa_3028> Thanks, that's all I needed to know.
19:18:52 <benedikt93> and, even in case it works, bare in mind that it might leave more data/whatever left on the PC than usual
19:19:40 <benedikt93> Drive-Dude, you mean the position of the PA.c string?
19:19:58 <benedikt93> (which got moved inside the bar)
19:19:59 <pa_3028> Got it.
19:20:08 <pa_3028> Your help is much appreciated.
19:20:18 <benedikt93> np, you're welcome ;)
19:20:19 <pa_3028> Good day.
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19:21:13 <Drive-Dude> Yes I guess
19:24:31 <benedikt93> I dunno, but I guess that this hard-coded
19:25:06 <benedikt93> so, JTH might know better, but if it really is, you would need to change source and recompile
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19:28:07 <Drive-Dude> So what is the news
19:28:32 <Drive-Dude> of the upcoming things on PortableApps.com
19:32:24 <Drive-Dude> I am gonna go now. Have a nice day or night
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19:42:01 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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20:39:15 <Moonbase> Hi everyone! I’m planning to portablize a program for checking wins in the German state lottery (freeware). Is it okay with the PA.c rules to offer a paf.exe that DOWNLOADS the unmodified software from the author's page and installs it as a PortableApp? Where would I put this for others to check?
20:40:14 <Moonbase> MaienM: Thanks for the hints you gave before, I found out how to handle the INI stuff :-)
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20:50:48 <pa_4527> hi
20:51:32 <pa_4527> if you have a portable firefox can you upgrade
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20:52:17 <pa_4527> and still keep it portable
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20:55:51 <Moonbase> pa_4527: Never tried, but at least it keeps the AdBlock updates ;)
21:00:45 <pa_4527> installed over it
21:00:46 <pa_4527> but if i update from updates in browser it may
21:03:03 <pa_4527> and the portable is installed on computer
21:03:04 <Moonbase> Yeah I wonder. I’d THINK it might work but never tried … always installed over it, too.
21:03:04 <Moonbase> Will try whenever the next update comes :)
21:03:17 <pa_4527> firefox 3.6.9 is out
21:03:17 <pa_4527> so you can try it
21:04:45 <MaienM> you're welcome Moonbase, glad you figured it out
21:06:22 <pa_4527> dont think you can update that way
21:06:30 <MaienM> updating from within the browser is advised against, as it may break portability
21:06:43 <pa_4527> it will no loner be portable
21:06:51 <pa_4527> longer
21:07:08 <MaienM> updating manually (copying the new files into the folder of the portable version) will probably work, but no guarantees can be given on that
21:07:33 <MaienM> the only advised way to update is to download the new version from our site and install it over the previous one
21:08:02 <pa_4527> the new version is not out
21:08:29 <pa_4527> on this site
21:08:39 <MaienM> then you will have to wait for it, I guess
21:08:44 <MaienM> how long has it been out for?
21:08:53 <pa_4527> not sure
21:09:22 <MaienM> anyway, it will probably be available soon
21:09:41 <MaienM> soon being within several days
21:10:24 <MaienM> I mean, I can't give any guarantees, but it's LIKELY it'll be released in a few days
21:11:27 <pa_4527> portable applicatication s are cool
21:14:08 <pa_4527> i found this bug
21:14:10 <pa_4527> https://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FP-5216
21:15:12 <pa_4527> aug12 and still they found no soloutions
21:15:37 <pa_4527> every version of 10 had that problem
21:17:32 <Moonbase> MaienM: Thanks! Can you gibe me a hint on the other question? (paf.exe that downloads orginal app from author's page – okay with the rules? And where to put?)
21:17:46 <Moonbase> -b+v
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21:38:59 <pa_5087> Hello,are anyone here using database browser?
21:43:38 <pa_5087> It doesn't works for me. always encountered the error #3D0No database selected. I have searched on Google. And there is the same error on the developer's forum. The admin said that the bug has been fixed on the newest version. Howver, it doesn't at least for me. BTW, the version of the one current listed on portables are outdate.
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21:45:24 <pa_5087> give it up for the time being...have a good night, here!
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22:18:42 <pa_9966> hi erm ive download portable apps how do i install extra apps to the menu and memo
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