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15:17:53 <m-p{3}> I have a small question regarding the PAL (dev)
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15:37:25 <m-p{3}> Nevermind, I'll ask on portableapps-dev
15:37:28 <m-p{3}> :P
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16:55:44 <pa_1319> hi?
16:55:51 <pa_1319> i need help
16:56:36 <pa_1319> hiii?
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16:57:34 <pa_1319> hi?
16:58:48 <sar3th|PChat> hello pa_1319, how can we help you?
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17:58:56 <GizmoBot> MaienM is MaienM. He is the developer of The Mana World Portable.
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18:38:39 <pa_6338> Hey Pnotes download is triggering a worm alert with Kaspersky. Probably a false positive but thought I would let you know.
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19:14:34 <Alcasar> I'v updated to ff 3.6.9 and now all my add-ons don't work
19:18:56 <JohnTHaller> define don't work. do they show up in the add-ons window?
19:19:49 <Alcasar> they show up but saying they'll install after restart witch they never do
19:20:37 <JohnTHaller> Sounds like your extensions cache is corrupted. It can happen occasionally, especially if you use the built-in updater (which occasionally messes up local installs, too)
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19:20:41 <GizmoBot> computerfreaker is working on KidSafe and Iron Portable, and would very much like to have folks test them and give feedback.
19:20:47 <Alcasar> I tried to install one i already had and now it says that it is not compatible with 3.6.6 (haven't re-restarted yet)
19:22:04 <Alcasar> computerfreaker: I have Iron Portable but i don't use it much because it uses the IE settings for proxies
19:22:32 <JohnTHaller> To fix it. First re-installl FFP 3.6.10 official version from us. Install it right over your current install (making sure it is closed)
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19:24:23 <Alcasar> k, so 3.6.10 is out cool
19:25:28 <JohnTHaller> So install that over your current one first. See if it works after that. If not, close FF and backup your Data\profile directory inside FFP
19:25:33 <Alcasar> JohnTHaller: You sure it will fix it coze it's what i did with 3.6.9 and it cosed this problem
19:27:19 <JohnTHaller> Please, just follow the directions, It's already broken. Downgrading or reinstalling will most likely not fix it.
19:27:45 <JohnTHaller> I just said 'see if that works' on the slim chance that did. We haven't gotten to the step that will actually fix it.
19:28:02 <Alcasar> ok see ya
19:28:14 <JohnTHaller> Hang on a sec.
19:29:16 <JohnTHaller> After you backup the profile directory, delete the files extensions.ini, extensions.cache, extensions.log and extensions.rdf from your FFP\data\profile directory. Then start FFP. All extensions will be reset (any you had disabled are re-enabled) and all should work from then on (or requestr to update if they are incompatible with the current release of FF)
19:29:17 <tripelb> help on abioword. XP home. installed it in Program Files made a shortsut to the program. It looks like it starts cause I see that announcement interrupting what I am doing (snarl) but I see no windows coming up.
19:29:18 <GizmoBot> tripelb: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
19:29:38 <JohnTHaller> Installing to Program Files is unsupported. Please do not install portable software there.
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19:29:44 <Simeon> hi all
19:30:01 <JohnTHaller> multiple support sessions are in progress Simeon
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19:30:23 <tripelb> ok JohnTHaller to where should I install it. It's bad form to install it to the root-directory of C: which is my default option, he.
19:30:32 <Simeon> I know. Anyone still need help?
19:30:36 <JohnTHaller> C:|PortableApps\AbiWordPortable
19:30:56 <JohnTHaller> That way all your other portable apps will play nicely together
19:31:42 <tripelb> OK JohnTHaller shall I move the files to there? (BTW I've had no trouble putting other apps into Program Files. (sniff of superiority)
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19:32:13 <tripelb> or must I uninstall and reinstall. Must I Install the Port apps stuff even tho it's on my hard drive?
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19:33:03 <tripelb> .. maybe that was s sniff of sadness. I feel like I have been betrayed by a no-problems install that fails. If that so important it should tell me before I install.
19:34:17 <Simeon> Your data will only be saved if you moev the apps. an uninstall will delete you data. Some apps dont "like" to be moved though.
19:37:46 <JohnTHaller> Program Files has never been supported. It causes issues with some apps that detect it (Sumatra PDF for example). ANd it causes issues with all apps in Vista/Win7 due to permissions
19:38:10 <JohnTHaller> You can move the folder. Just delete the AbiWordPortable\Data folder after you move it to reset it.
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19:40:50 <Alcasar> I now have 3.6.10 but still no add-ons
19:40:57 <JohnTHaller> Ok, close it
19:41:19 <Alcasar> if i do i won't be here anymore
19:41:21 <JohnTHaller> We're gonna need to work on the FF internals, which requires it being closed. You can fire up IE temporarily to chat
19:41:48 <Alcasar> i hope so
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19:42:44 <JohnTHaller> There ya go
19:42:59 <Alcasar> hey
19:43:04 <JohnTHaller> Ok, open up Explorer and browse to FIrefoxPortable\
19:43:07 <JohnTHaller> Data\profile
19:43:37 <Alcasar> k done and btw i'm on a windows 7 64bit computer
19:43:40 <JohnTHaller> tripelb: I think there may be an issue with AbiWord Portable on XP. I'm investigating.
19:44:13 <Alcasar> @I'v had no probs with abiword on xp
19:44:19 <JohnTHaller> Alcasar: Ok, talke the files extensions.ini, extensions.cache, extensions.rdf and extensions.log and move them to your desktop or elsewhere
19:44:19 <Alcasar> oops
19:45:02 <Alcasar> JohnTHaller: Done
19:45:26 <JohnTHaller> Alcasar: Now fire up FFP again. This should reset all your extensions (so any disabled are now enabled, plugins, too)
19:45:57 <Alcasar> JohnTHaller: I'd already tried that after installinh 3.6.10
19:46:10 <JohnTHaller> removing all the extensions files?
19:46:52 <Alcasar> JohnTHaller: should i re-re-try, yep extensions.*
19:47:13 <JohnTHaller> And they still appear in Add-ons as will install on next start?
19:47:35 <Alcasar> before i did that the first time (before i came here) i had only Half my extensions not installed and my theme was ok
19:47:58 <Alcasar> yet even after i actualy did install one of them to try
19:47:59 <JohnTHaller> If removing the extensions.* files didn't do it, then something is more seriously up with your profile.
19:50:02 <Alcasar> can it have something to do with settings being transfered from 3.6.6 to 3.6.9 and 3.6.10
19:50:14 <JohnTHaller> There are additional techniques like starting in safe mode, reseting your controls and toolbars and similar that may help. But at this point you're looking at a deeper FF issue, not something simple related to it being portable. So it'll take some involved trial and error to get it working.
19:50:28 <Alcasar> coz i did see a not compatible with 3.6.6 once when i had 3.6.9
19:50:35 <JohnTHaller> You could try safe mode and disable everything. Themn re-enable em one at a time.
19:51:11 <JohnTHaller> To get safe mode in the portable version, bring up a command line window, browse to the FirefoxPortable directory and run FirefoxPortable.exe -safe-mode
19:51:55 <JohnTHaller> Before that, delete the extensions files again. Then run in safe mode and set it to disable all extensions. Then start in standard mode and start enabling one at a time.
19:52:11 <JohnTHaller> If you got any add-ons from somewhere other than addons.mozilla.org, those would be the most likely to be causing issues.
19:52:29 <JohnTHaller> tripelb: Do you know if regular AbiWord will work on that PC?
19:53:37 <Alcasar> JohnTHaller: Is it possible that somewhere ff portable doesn't realise it's now 3.6.10 and not 3.6.6?
19:54:07 <JohnTHaller> The only thing that can cause that is a profile configuration or extension issue. The portable launcher doesn't mess with anything like that at all.
19:56:05 <Alcasar> JohnTHaller: What kind of profile configuration?
19:56:28 <JohnTHaller> tripelb: It is an issue with the MSVC libraries. The wrong version is included with AbiWord Portable. If the correct version is not on the local PC, it will fail to run.
19:57:07 <JohnTHaller> Alcasar: I don't know offhand. Some plugins and extensions seriously mess up FF internals in about:config to manually set it as the wrong version. I've seen it before. You'll need to consult Google on that.
19:57:45 <JohnTHaller> Anytime the version on Help About or presented to extensions doesn't match the version of FF actually in use, something needs fixing.
19:57:50 <Alcasar> ff is as long to open in safe mode
19:58:12 <Alcasar> in about it fits
19:59:56 <Alcasar> JohnTHaller: I'm in safe mode with all add-ons disabled but they all say install after restart
20:00:34 <Alcasar> oops i have to restart in standard mode now, right?
20:00:38 <JohnTHaller> Yup
20:01:32 <Alcasar> all this opening and closing of FF is so painfully long
20:01:59 <Alcasar> i have just half and hour left of internet
20:02:01 <JohnTHaller> Alcasar: I hope that works, since that's about as far as I can help you with myself. I don't know the full details of major extensions problems in FF. I'm just walking you through stuff I've encountered myself before.
20:02:25 <Alcasar> thanks
20:02:27 <tripelb> JohnTHaller: et alny, I put it on a flash drive and it works. I did what I needed to solving no install probnlem but an IRL issue. bye
20:02:39 <JohnTHaller> Ah good :)
20:02:54 <tripelb> USE CHROME
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20:04:00 <Alcasar> JohnTHaller: Still the same after restart thing
20:04:25 <Alcasar> its like FF doesn't see them "installed"
20:04:53 <Alcasar> and the find update button is disabled
20:05:01 <Simeon> Do you have many? What about deleting the whole extensions folder and reinstalling the completely...?
20:05:35 <Alcasar> I have only 22 extensions and one theme
20:07:54 <Simeon> thats maybe a little too much
20:08:28 <Alcasar> maybe but before i updated FF it all worked
20:09:57 <Alcasar> aparently Mozilla Archive Format (with Faithful Save) 0.19.7 is not compatible with 3.6.10 is that true?
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20:12:37 <computerfreaker> JohnTHaller: got a moment?
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20:28:11 <TimClark> computerfreaker: ?
20:28:47 <computerfreaker> SRWare officially uploaded Iron Portable. I've left a message in the Iron Portable thread: http://portableapps.com/node/22380#comment-158258
20:28:59 <computerfreaker> TimClark: could you lock that thread, please? We don't need it anymore.
20:29:06 <JohnTHaller> computerfreaker: I saw. I'll post it shortly. I want to finish the updates first so it doesn't get lost in the shuffle.
20:29:10 <TimClark> computerfreaker: for you info:
20:29:12 <TimClark> http://www.virustotal.com/file-scan/report.html?id=596a2054e19e7e3fdc61b805df76ec0f7cdec39aad062164de381673b72bcc63-1285013765
20:29:26 <TimClark> Looks good
20:30:03 <computerfreaker> Yep, I checked my copy of the file on VT and Jotti yesterday, and SRWare's is exactly the same as mine (MD5 hashes match)
20:30:52 <TimClark> I saw that you mentioned the MD5, which just means it matches, you did not mention VT so I thought I'd check it out
20:30:59 <TimClark> Better safe than sorry
20:32:02 <computerfreaker> I forgot to mention VT, sorry.
20:32:47 <TimClark> This way if there are problems later you can say, "Well, as of 9/20/10 it was reported as clean "
20:34:04 <computerfreaker> Good idea. AV detections change pretty quickly, so what's clean today may be in trouble tomorrow.
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20:36:20 <TimClark> computerfreaker: excatly
20:37:58 <Simeon> hi HuggyBear
20:39:08 <TimClark> computerfreaker: you might NOT want to have the dev test topic locked, this way if someone does have a problem there is a CHANCE they would post it there instead of Marring the news release unnecessarily
20:40:05 <TimClark> Of course folks feel the need to do that Anyway at times, sadly
20:40:08 <computerfreaker> As long as it's acceptable to keep the topic open, I'm happy with it that way. I mostly asked for it to be closed in keeping with usual site policy.
20:40:34 <TimClark> Topics are actually rarely locked unless needed
20:40:43 <Alcasar> thanks computerfreaker for the MozBackup-1.4.10-EN, i now have only a couple of extensions that still want to install after restart
20:40:53 <computerfreaker> Alcasar: I'm glad I could help!
20:41:08 <computerfreaker> TimClark: I thought Dev Tests were usually locked once Pre-Releases or official releases came out?
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20:41:46 <TimClark> From what I have seen that only happens if there are multiply posts to an old topic
20:42:05 <TimClark> Usually folks move on to the new one, if we are lucky
20:42:10 <computerfreaker> ok
20:43:29 <TimClark> computerfreaker: you know where to point folks if they need help right ? http://portableapps.com/forums/support/other_apps with the name of the app in the subject line
20:44:04 <computerfreaker> Yep
20:44:07 <TimClark> Or, of course, to the Iron folks
20:44:17 <computerfreaker> I'll be handling tech issues in the SRWare forums as well; I've already registered there.
20:44:28 <TimClark> Sounds good
20:44:34 <computerfreaker> Thanks
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20:45:09 <Simeon> going to the forum where the app comes from is always good. I try to do that too.
20:47:27 <TimClark> Anyone running the latest/ or a recent FFP at the moment?
20:47:45 <Simeon> no
20:48:35 <computerfreaker> TimClark: yeah, I have it. Need me to check something?
20:48:42 <TimClark> What is the memory and CPU usage of the FFP.exe showing in task manager ?
20:49:23 <computerfreaker> FFP.exe actually isn't showing in my task manager, thanks to AllowMultipleInstances=true
20:49:56 <TimClark> :O ok, well that doesn't help then
20:50:21 <Simeon> are you trying to investigate the one post from the forums?
20:50:43 <TimClark> yup, [Simeon is smart ]
20:54:31 <TimClark> I do find it hard to believe that NO ONE in the channel is using a current version of FFP [in a standard configuration]
20:54:59 <TimClark> Of course most of the members ARE lurking
20:55:22 <Simeon> Im on Ubuntu...
20:55:46 <TimClark> /insult to Simeon will appear in -ot
21:03:31 * computerfreaker likes Ubuntu
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21:25:24 <TimClark> ZachThibeau: are you using a current/recent FFP on windows at the moment
21:25:53 <ZachThibeau> not the portable version
21:26:16 <TimClark> nm
21:33:24 <Simeon> bye everyone
21:35:13 <computerfreaker> bye Simeon!
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22:24:31 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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22:37:03 <computerfreaker> JohnTHaller: got a moment?
22:37:11 <JohnTHaller> sup
22:37:27 <computerfreaker> SRWare released Iron Portable today.
22:37:48 <computerfreaker> http://portableapps.com/node/22380#comment-158258
22:38:17 <JohnTHaller> I answered you last time. I know, but I'm waiting until I do the updates to the other apps first so the announcement doesn't get lost in the shuffle
22:39:17 <computerfreaker> Ok. I know you answered last time, but SRWare hadn't released at that point. I'm not asking for a release right away, just telling you it's finally ready.
22:39:49 <JohnTHaller> No, I mean you just asked me this question a couple hours ago and I answered you then
22:40:00 <JohnTHaller> Right here in IRC
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22:40:44 <computerfreaker> I never got that message. :/
22:41:06 <JohnTHaller> I'll announce it in the AM for max impact
22:41:30 <computerfreaker> Thanks!
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22:55:04 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: thanks for getting gVim out :-)
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22:55:13 <JohnTHaller> Sure thing
22:56:21 <ChrisMorgan> So with Skype you changed the version of 7z in the installer or did you get it working otherwise?
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22:56:45 <JohnTHaller> Yup
22:56:58 <JohnTHaller> Part of PA.c 2.0.4 which I'm posting right after Songbird now.
22:58:21 <JohnTHaller> btw - I added in English (Great Britain) to the PA.c Installer. I'm gonna be adding it to NSIS as well. We should add it to the PA.c Launcher with a point release.
22:58:37 <JohnTHaller> I'm adding it to the platform and doing packages of FF, TB, etc of it.
22:58:57 <ChrisMorgan> I'll see if any spelling mistakes need to be fixed in the proper English version then ;-)
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22:59:35 <JohnTHaller> A couple apps that only have one English will need their auto language switching fixed.
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22:59:57 <JohnTHaller> And we should probably include that as part of the example in the PAL documentation.
23:00:10 <JohnTHaller> But I figured it was about time you guys saw colour spelled right :)
23:00:49 <ChrisMorgan> Definitely. I quite agree with whoever it was that reckoned more would want English (UK) than Sundanese.
23:02:01 <JohnTHaller> I was just worried about the support in NSIS and lang switching. But now that I'm comfortable adding custom langs to it and handling lang switching in custom code and PAL, I think we're good. It's one additional package to support, but I think it'll be worth it.
23:05:06 <ChrisMorgan> Custom code isn't normally required with language handling in PAL. I haven't come across anything that doesn't work with the normal stuff (and is neater like that).
23:06:38 <JohnTHaller> I meant custom NSIS launchers
23:07:15 <ChrisMorgan> Ah. So easy to forget them ;-)
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23:21:49 <computerfreaker> JohnTHaller: SRWare has just released a bugfix/security fix build of Iron. Should we hold off for a week or two on our release, in case something broke?
23:22:17 <JohnTHaller> Are they gonna be updating the PAF too?
23:22:43 <computerfreaker> I'm updating the PAF; I should have a new build out shortly, but I'll need to test it first.
23:23:12 <computerfreaker> The fact that I'm handling the PAF is what worries me - they don't know, and I don't know, how their changes may impact our build.
23:24:12 <JohnTHaller> As a general rule, they won't.
23:24:29 <JohnTHaller> Their update is due to a chrome update. We've needed no changes to the Chrome launcher in quite some time.
23:25:17 <JohnTHaller> btw - let them know they need to keep the version number in the download and keep the old one available until updated in our DB. Otherwise it can't be used with our updater (and can't be listed on our site).
23:26:18 <computerfreaker> ok, I'll package the new version and give it a test. Thanks for the clearance. :)
23:26:42 <computerfreaker> I'll also pass on your instructions about the version #. I'm actually sending them a message about their naming system right now, so I'll add that in.
23:29:52 <TimClark> JohnTHaller: quick question about the News releases, are they actually made by the "Submitted by Gizmokid2005 or whoever" or is it you ?
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23:31:41 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, they are.
23:31:47 <JohnTHaller> Oh, I mean I post the stories
23:31:52 <JohnTHaller> It's just a template each time
23:31:59 <JohnTHaller> But they did indeed post the apps.
23:32:36 <TimClark> I was just surprised to see Gizmokid2005 's name when he seems to not be active here or in another channel :P
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23:38:42 <ChrisMorgan> And mine when I was only just getting out of bed :P
23:39:31 <TimClark> ChrisMorgan: that's why I was wondering, I was assuming that you actually released your news story and that Gizmokid2005 had not
23:39:58 <ChrisMorgan> No, if I'd been releasing it it would have happened a while ago, but it needed the digital signature.
23:40:19 <ChrisMorgan> Currently all updates must go through John. And then the news article is very little more.
23:44:58 <JohnTHaller> ok, dinnertime,,, back in a bit
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23:45:54 <TimClark> left ?
23:46:27 <TimClark> I thought it used to say "quit" or "parted"
23:47:51 <ChrisMorgan> In Pidgin at least it always says "__ left the room" plus "(quit: Quit message goes here)" if it's a quit or (I think) "(part: Part message)" if a part message is employed (most people don't part anyway)
23:50:00 <TimClark> Speaking of parting, it is time for me to do so, take care all, [all pms are being closed as well]
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23:51:17 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
23:51:32 <computerfreaker> I'm going to head out as well. It's gotten late, and I need to close Iron Portable so I can update it.
23:51:35 <computerfreaker> Bye guys!
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