IRC Log from 2010-09-26
00:01:10 <Vas> i see, so not in eu and in greece, right? also it is not in my purpose to confuse people by making them that this is a mirror of the .com. there will be a disclaimer that will define that it is independante. as for the name, it just fits :)
00:02:20 <JohnTHaller> We'll be persuing the trademark internationally in the near future and will likely get it in most areas as we have been using it internationally since 2005. Portable software is the actual category of software. PortableApps is my own invented name.
00:03:12 <Vas> ok
00:04:02 <JohnTHaller> We're actually going to be translating the PortableApps.com site in the near future (that's one thing I'm working on now). We currently have German but will be adding Italian, French, Russian and others. If you're interested, we are in need of a Greek translator at some point.
00:05:16 <Vas> not a problem to give back something too. just wanted to know about the portableapps in greece is legal to be used as a domain name in the range of the country
00:06:37 <JohnTHaller> I'm not sure from a Greek legal standpoint. But anytime you start doing business using a name that's already in international use (as ours is), you're on shakey ground. If you're looking to make a separate entity in our own space that's going to be competing with us for our own Greek-speaking users, we'd have an issue with that.
00:06:50 <JohnTHaller> Just as if you were registering firefox.gr and using it to promote web browsers.
00:08:00 <Vas> i am not starting any kind of business on this domain, is just for business. concerning firefox.gr i had already had it
00:08:20 <JohnTHaller> Again, I'm not sure what your exact intentions are here. I'm just going based on the email and what was mentioned by Simeon.
00:08:26 <Vas> for making the website of a software company which has a product called firefox too
00:09:52 <JohnTHaller> "i am not starting any kind of business on this domain, is just for business." the 2nd part of that statement seems to contradict the first
00:10:34 <Vas> sorry
00:10:38 <Vas> mistyped
00:10:42 <Vas> just for "fun"
00:10:59 <JohnTHaller> Ah ok. Very different statement, heh.
00:11:05 <Vas> heh
00:11:15 <Vas> i was writing... portablapps maybe will be a site about grocery, or children party or santa clause, i am not asking permission from no one from it since in my country it is not under some protection (even firefox it is not as you mentioned it). just making a greek explained site for portable apps around the net. only thing i discuss is if i can use the dl links of sourceforge.
00:12:01 <JohnTHaller> The biggest issue I'd have with it is if it was trading on our name. Or using our name ("PortableApps") to link to some of our illegal competitors.
00:12:24 <Vas> competitors?
00:12:30 <Vas> i think i've lost episoded
00:12:36 <Vas> is this a business?
00:12:45 <Simeon> illegal sites redistributing our apps and pirated ones too.
00:13:15 <JohnTHaller> There are other portable software sites. Some of whom have illegally used our software (stripped off our name, the GPL license, etc). Some do it with our same set of software. Some with pirated software like Photoshop.
00:13:22 <Simeon> the way I understood you is that you only link to other sites so I think thats not a problem
00:13:45 <Vas> i am not interested about illegal stuff, i run a company for living, i will not had risk for making a free helping site with rapidshare
00:13:54 <Vas> i defined this before hours
00:14:25 <JohnTHaller> Yes, PortableApps.com is a business. It's overall goal, making portable software available to all for free, isn't very business-like. But a significant amount of money and time has been invested. And it should become self-sufficient this year.
00:14:30 <Vas> also if i was interested to stripe off names and gps i wouldn't ask for official links
00:15:13 <JohnTHaller> Similar in many ways to the way Mozilla is a business.
00:15:45 <Vas> well in this case i see it like i giving you a boost from greek community since it will download software from your links with your gpl licence. not that i am so interested on it, first time we talk
00:16:00 <Vas> anyway. can i use your official sourceforge links?
00:16:16 <Vas> that is the only thing i care so i can be legal and typical :)
00:17:15 <JohnTHaller> Technically, you don't need permission to link to SF downloads. Though keep in mind that they will frequently become outdated if you are manually linking to specific download versions.
00:17:43 <Vas> yes i have this in mind, sooner or later i have to find a "formula" for it
00:18:02 <JohnTHaller> You won't be able to link to our freeware downloads at downloads.portableapps.com.
00:18:17 <Vas> no interest for it
00:18:35 <Vas> i think everything is in sourceofrge, right?
00:19:00 <JohnTHaller> We have that setup to only accept links from PortableApps.com to avoid people mooching our download traffic for their own site.
00:19:10 <JohnTHaller> No, SF only has open source stuff. Most of it anyway.
00:19:43 <Vas> in that case i will link to your page, not directly in your download links
00:19:55 <JohnTHaller> Stuff like Skype, Foxit, IcoFX. SpyDLLRemover, XNView, Canabalt and soon IrfanView, Opera and many others are hosted by us directly (not SF)
00:19:57 <Vas> i think that's ok
00:20:18 <Simeon> and thats much easier for you -> no updating of link needed.
00:20:37 <Simeon> gnight all - gotta go.
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00:33:17 <TimClark> Hi guys, I'm having a VLC / VLCP problem
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00:34:04 <TimClark> I closed VLC almost 2 minutes ago, and the proceess of both it and the launcher are still running
00:34:26 <JohnTHaller> The launcher sticks around until VLC closes. Sounds like VLC hung.
00:34:27 <TimClark> As shown in Windows Task manager
00:34:38 <JohnTHaller> Kill it in Task Manager and the launcher will close afterwards
00:34:44 <TimClark> This has happend before, but not always
00:35:06 <JohnTHaller> VLC does that locally for me on occasion. Usually a partially corrupt video.
00:35:22 <TimClark> Actually, since I'm not in a rush, I will just wait till it ends itself, I had to kill things unless I have to
00:35:34 <TimClark> I HATE to ...*
00:36:19 <TimClark> Ok, so it sounds JohnTHaller that it might not be a "just me" situation, glad to hear that
00:36:57 <TimClark> Glad I'm not running from a flash drive
00:37:30 <TimClark> both VLC AND VLCP have both ended
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00:45:35 <pa_4952> can anyone tell me which files are need to run vlc
00:46:11 <TimClark> pa_4952: could you explain your question
00:46:12 <Vas> you mean vlc is not running and asks you some files?
00:46:16 <Vas> strange question
00:47:01 <pa_4952> no im trying send basic files to run vlc without install
00:47:35 <Vas> all files in portable version are the basic ones
00:47:56 <Vas> just zip it with its subfolders and send it, or even better send the download link
00:47:58 <TimClark> pa_4952: that would take a lot of trial and error to figure out
00:48:04 <pa_4952> so all the files are needed
00:48:19 <TimClark> It would depend on what media types you are sure you would NOT need to play
00:48:28 <pa_4952> this person cant open zip or install
00:49:05 <Vas> in that case he might not even run non registered apps to his system
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00:50:20 <Vas> pa_4952 , from my view, there is no painless and 100% working solution for your problem
00:51:01 <pa_5970> sorry disconnected, so no fix
00:51:07 <Vas> can i ask why he cannot unzip files? windows by default can extract zip files without winzip
00:51:27 <Vas> at least from XP and later
00:51:33 <TimClark> pa_5970: What kind of meda file do you want the person to be able to play ?
00:51:42 <pa_5970> mkv's
00:52:02 <TimClark> Sorry, pa_5970 I don't know about that format
00:52:32 <pa_5970> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mkv
00:52:33 <Vas> they are high definition video files, with multiple subs and audio channels
00:52:41 <Vas> vlc plays them
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00:53:05 <Vas> can i ask why he cannot unzip files?
00:53:49 <TimClark> Well VLC DOES contain this file "libmkv_plugin.dll" which I would guess would be required
00:54:24 <pa_5970> can you tell me where the standerd zip program is at
00:54:53 <TimClark> What OS is the person using pa_5970 ?
00:55:00 <pa_5970> vista
00:55:07 <Vas> no program, just right click on the zip
00:55:11 <TimClark> It's built into vista
00:55:19 <Vas> and click on extract
00:55:25 <Vas> or double click the zip file
00:55:31 <Vas> it will enter it as a directory
00:55:57 <pa_5970> i said that but he says their is not an option
00:56:01 <Vas> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-vista/Compress-and-uncompress-files-zip-files
00:57:17 <Vas> except if he is at his work and IT has disable options in vista to employers :)
00:57:36 <pa_5970> no he at home
00:57:46 <Vas> well , his parents ? :)
00:58:01 <pa_5970> yea but he 16 teen
00:58:29 <Vas> i cant see why vista dont let a user to install software if someone hasn't make it some way for protection
00:58:38 <TimClark> pa_5970: does he speak english and is his vista in english ?
00:59:17 <pa_5970> his parents took rights and he speaks english
00:59:23 <TimClark> Tell him to right click on a .zip file and look for the words "extract all"
00:59:40 <TimClark> If he does not see them then he is stuck it seems
00:59:49 <Vas> TimClark i've already instruct him about it and he told us that he cannot do it
01:00:00 <pa_5970> i did i dont know why does not have the option
01:00:15 <TimClark> vas /join #portableapps-ot please
01:00:25 <pa_5970> see the problem
01:00:45 <Vas> parents locked machine :) bad grades in maths?
01:01:09 <pa_5970> no, fear
01:02:08 <pa_5970> his parents dont trust how he uses the computer
01:02:42 <pa_5970> no history ether
01:03:29 <pa_5970> what file are need to run 7 zip then?? :)
01:03:57 <TimClark> There are several, but they would need to be "installed" and you said he can''t
01:04:10 <TimClark> I will give you a link to our version in a momemt
01:04:34 <TimClark> http://portableapps.com/apps/utilities/7-zip_portable
01:04:56 <pa_5970> can u install on desktop transfer over to jump drive
01:05:59 <TimClark> You CAN and usually DO install it to a jump drive
01:06:21 <TimClark> but yes, you can install on the hard drive and copy it over
01:07:03 <pa_5970> what im thinking about is sending him parts
01:07:23 <pa_5970> or will that not work
01:07:35 <TimClark> That might work, as long as it puts the "parts" back in the right place/order
01:08:16 <pa_5970> yea, but i just want to know what parts are need
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01:09:08 <TimClark> And that would be hard to figure out if you mean VLCP, I thught you meant 7 zip
01:09:56 <TimClark> VLCP is very large and contains many files, only trial and error would show you which onces were need to play the file type you mentioned
01:10:24 <pa_5970> yea i change ideas and thought about sending 7 zip then vlc.zip
01:11:04 <TimClark> That might work as long as you tell him how to but 7zip back togethor
01:11:32 <TimClark> It should not be too hard, the program is not that big
01:11:38 <pa_5970> yea i change ideas and thought about sending 7 zip then vlc.zip
01:12:06 <pa_5970> sorry^ wrong message
01:12:20 <TimClark> understood
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01:13:48 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
01:14:41 <pa_5970> here my first question regaring 7zip
01:14:43 <TimClark> You could try making a copy of your VLCP and see how many files in the "plugins" directory you can get rid of and still play THAT file type, it MIGHT be posslible
01:15:21 <TimClark> pa_5970: go ahead with you 7zip question
01:16:25 <pa_5970> In the app folder 7-zip64 is for 64 bit os's
01:16:34 <pa_5970> ?
01:17:08 <TimClark> I would think that it is 32
01:17:25 <TimClark> but 64bit systems can run 32 bit apps
01:18:03 <TimClark> / I will be right back
01:19:18 <pa_5970> okay but there is 2 folder called 7-zip and 7-zip64 with the same stuff inside. That why asked.
01:20:14 <TimClark> /back
01:20:21 <TimClark> Send him EVERYTHING
01:20:35 <TimClark> The laucher will no which one he needs
01:20:45 <TimClark> LAUNCHER *
01:21:23 <pa_5970> what about appinfo?
01:21:30 <TimClark> Send him EVERYTHING
01:21:52 <TimClark> At this point you are making things too complicated
01:22:03 <TimClark> It is easiler to just send it all
01:22:08 <pa_5970> okay.... i will thank you for all the help and time.
01:22:21 <TimClark> You are welcome
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07:27:52 <Abracadabra> hello
07:28:11 <BeckySanderlin> :)
07:30:09 <Abracadabra> how's portableapps peeps doing ?
07:31:13 <BeckySanderlin> portableapps user (here) is ok, just watching TV
07:31:25 <Abracadabra> :)
07:33:36 <Mercury044> reading the web here
07:33:54 <Mercury044> and preping for service in a few hours
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08:17:43 <pa_4823> hi guys
08:18:02 <pa_4823> this is argent
08:18:45 <pa_4823> can some body tell me how to install portable app coz i dont knoe
08:18:50 <pa_4823> know
08:18:52 <pa_4823> please
08:18:57 <pa_4823> pleas
08:19:01 <pa_4823> plz
08:19:16 <Mercury044> witch app where
08:20:06 <pa_4823> any one like portable MSN
08:22:04 <Mercury044> i do not believe msn is portable there is pidgin and Miranda also aMSB is a portable app from the website
08:23:13 <pa_4823> ok any of them
08:23:29 <pa_4823> i tried many app but not coming
08:24:07 <Mercury044> all of them are available from http://portableapps.com/apps/internet
08:24:24 <Mercury044> under chat and instant messaging
08:24:47 <Mercury044> where are you installing too (drive path/drive type)
08:25:47 <pa_4823> i wanr to install to c/
08:27:44 <pa_4823> ok now what sould i choose for i nstlation location
08:28:07 <Mercury044> any folder on the D/
08:28:10 <Mercury044> err
08:28:11 <Mercury044> c
08:28:13 <Mercury044> c/
08:28:23 <Mercury044> just somewhere you can get to
08:28:30 <pa_4823> ok
08:41:22 <pa_4823> it works mercury044
08:42:03 <pa_4823> thanks alot it was a nice of u
08:42:06 <pa_4823> bye
08:42:17 <Mercury044> np
08:54:00 <BeckySanderlin> aww
08:54:03 <BeckySanderlin> how sweet
08:58:11 <Mercury044> well night all
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