IRC Log from 2010-10-07
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00:08:35 <pa_5996> @ChrisMorgan - Hello, I notice a very minor omission in gVimPortable. the \Other\Source\AppNamePortable.ini hasn't been renamed.
00:09:17 <ChrisMorgan> pa_5996: that's not an omission, that's just the way it is with the PortableApps.com Launcher template at the moment; if you read readme.txt you'll see it mentions you need to rename it.
00:09:48 <pa_5996> ah i see gotcha. thanks.
00:10:04 <ChrisMorgan> Later with another tool I've got in mind it may go back to having the same name, but at the moment I'm leaving Other as a directory which is the same across all apps using the PortableApps.com Launcher [template]
00:10:44 <pa_5996> cool. no worries.
00:10:51 <ChrisMorgan> Thanks thoguh
00:10:53 <ChrisMorgan> *though
00:10:55 <pa_5996> Thanks for the release :)
00:11:24 <ChrisMorgan> You're welcome :-) Now I just wish someone would update gVim to 7.3 in the Ubuntu package repository...
00:12:02 <ZachThibeau> ChrisMorgan: you could look at some launchpad ppa's or compile your own release :P
00:12:18 <ZachThibeau> I usually compile my own updates personally
00:13:06 <ChrisMorgan> ZachThibeau: yeah, I was thinking I might see about how to submit it upstream today or tomorrow. With Linux it's generally easy to compile an app like gVim - not like on Windows where you need to get this, get that, set up this, set up that, ...
00:13:30 <ZachThibeau> actually I find that part the easiest :P
00:14:02 <ZachThibeau> compiling is a little different altogether, when you need to apply patches to make it work for x platform etc
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00:34:15 <ChrisMorgan> ZachThibeau: yep, two people have already got a PPA of it, one including a Lucid version. Got it now :-)
00:34:45 <ZachThibeau> ppa's are generally pretty useful
00:34:57 <ZachThibeau> I much prefer compiling my own releases though :P
00:35:57 <ChrisMorgan> I use a bunch of PPAs. I'm generally too lazy to make and make install. Doesn't upgrade easily like the auto-build PPAs.
00:36:21 <ZachThibeau> thats make && sudo make install ;)
00:36:32 <ZachThibeau> I guess that means you really are lazy :P
00:38:10 <ChrisMorgan> I call it "efficient".
00:38:48 <ZachThibeau> I call things compiled by me for my system more efficient for my computer :P
00:39:12 <ChrisMorgan> Hah.
00:39:19 <ZachThibeau> I had friends say I should of been a gentoo user
00:39:36 <ChrisMorgan> Sounds fairly accurate.
00:39:55 <sar3th> indeed
00:40:22 <ZachThibeau> I'm more drawn to debian though
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02:14:19 <Flametail> hi
02:14:28 <Flametail> I'm pretty sure I missed something
02:14:39 <Flametail> that loggy.py you directed me to
02:14:54 <Flametail> it only logs joins/parts/nick changes
02:16:31 <Flametail> and doesnt respond to (botnick): help
02:16:38 <Flametail> palogbot: help
02:16:38 <palogbot> I'm a Python IRC logging bot. Source: http://inamidst.com/code/loggy.py Logging to: http://nascent-project.org/portableapps/irc/logs?t=
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02:59:50 <Flametail> anyone alive?
03:00:45 <sar3th> yes
03:04:50 <ChrisMorgan> Flametail: palogbot's maintainer is PatrickPatience. He's rarely in. I don't know what customisations he's made to loggy, but he did make some.
03:09:18 <Flametail> ChrisMorgan: According to python gurus, he must have made modifications to log messages
03:17:38 <Flametail> What is PatrickPatience's irc nick?
03:17:51 <ChrisMorgan> that
03:17:53 <sar3th> PatrickPatience
03:18:04 <Flametail> /whowas says that never existed
03:18:18 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, it doesn't go back very far.
03:18:49 <Flametail> wow..in my experience that means he hasnt been here in two months...
03:19:03 <sar3th> it's been a while
03:19:23 <ChrisMorgan> He has been here in the last two months.
03:19:24 <Flametail> wow..last seen 13 weeks ago...
03:19:48 <ChrisMorgan> Twitter (@PatrickPatience) is probably the easiest way to ask him
03:20:44 <Flametail> guess that means im gettinga Twitter account...he doesnt have skype or anything like that?
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03:25:34 <ChrisMorgan> Dunno. Also see if there's an email address on his site.
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03:30:48 <Flametail> meh..I can't send DM on twitter cuz he doesn't follow me...is thee another twitter method I should know?
03:31:49 <sar3th> @PatrickPatience doesn't work?
03:33:20 <Flametail> I'm not an experience 'tweeter' as they are called so....say wha?
03:34:01 <sar3th> just begin your tweet with @PatrickPatience
03:34:06 <sar3th> it is called a mention
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03:38:31 <JSullG> Hello. I'm totally new at this. Am trying to get some help re: Thunderbird upgrade I did--from a 2X version to the latest 3X version. I can't get my filters to run. They are all there and correct--and it appears there is a new thing about whether I want to run them manually? I do) but I can't get them to run. Can anyone here help me?
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03:41:54 <ChrisMorgan> JSullG: I believe they should work fine (I haven't used TB3 though). A search of the web doesn't seem to find anything for "thunderbird 2 3 upgrade filters"
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04:29:40 <PatrickPatience> Hell.
04:29:42 <PatrickPatience> People.
04:29:50 <PatrickPatience> http://ptrckp.at/dKxP
04:29:58 <PatrickPatience> http://ptrckp.at/awew
04:30:50 <PatrickPatience> Thank you and good night.
04:30:52 <PatrickPatience> *tips hat*
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04:31:28 <Bensawsome> ...wut?
04:32:01 <Bensawsome> <PatrickPatience> http://ptrckp.at/awew
04:32:06 <Flametail> lol..he showed up
04:32:41 <sar3th> fyi Flametail, python + html works perfectly if done the right way
04:33:41 <Bensawsome> holy crap
04:34:09 <Flametail> so, do you see any differences (other than html) between his loggy.py and the one from palogbot: help?
04:34:32 <sar3th> i have not seen his loggy.py
04:34:47 <Flametail> http://ptrckp.at/QM3X
04:34:51 <Flametail> now you have
04:36:48 <Flametail> palogbot: help
04:36:48 <palogbot> I'm a Python IRC logging bot. Source: http://inamidst.com/code/loggy.py Logging to: http://nascent-project.org/portableapps/irc/logs?t=
04:37:11
04:37:12 <sar3th> ?
04:37:22 <ChrisMorgan> That's HTML for some reason
04:37:45 <Flametail> i know..just change it from loggy.py to loggy.html for better reading
04:37:48 <ChrisMorgan> If you open it as HTML you'll see it
04:37:54 <sar3th> i see a lot of strange markup before the actual html
04:38:01
04:38:17 <Flametail> I'm on pda for the night..so I can't quite read it clearly
04:38:35 <Flametail> and...I don't know python.
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04:39:28 <PatrickPatience> HTML. All Ryan's fault.
04:39:30 <PatrickPatience> But hey it works.
04:39:43 <PatrickPatience> Also: Two year anniversary coming up!
04:39:58 <PatrickPatience> Two years of logs come next Wednesday.
04:39:58 <ChrisMorgan> Flametail: three changes. Line 74 added, Loggy.offlog = 'â' instead of '[off]', and port 8000 is specified
04:40:12 <Flametail> BTWPatrickPatience before you go...
04:40:34 <ChrisMorgan> And none of those should change anything.
04:40:42 <Flametail> the original loggy doesnt record actual messages, just join/parts/nickchange etc
04:40:45 * PatrickPatience is waiting before he goes.
04:40:47 <ChrisMorgan> The bot isn't activated/deactivated, port doesn't matter and password doesn't matter.
04:40:53 <PatrickPatience> Uhm.
04:40:56 <PatrickPatience> Yeah I dunno.
04:41:00 <PatrickPatience> It's called loggy.
04:41:02 <PatrickPatience> So uhh.
04:41:07 <PatrickPatience> Think it logs stuff.
04:41:08 <PatrickPatience> But ya know.
04:41:25 <Flametail> but everyone says you fixed it to log messages xD
04:41:36 <Flametail> are you a fake? :)
04:42:00 <PatrickPatience> Ryan touched it!
04:42:08 <PatrickPatience> All I did was have it sort reverse-chronologically.
04:42:39 <ChrisMorgan> Flametail: I said that a some modifications had been made. The log sorting was the only one I knew that Patrick had made, and I knew Ryan had done something to it - that'll be the Python code stuff.
04:42:39 <PatrickPatience> So how about that guy that emailed me to have me remove him from the internet.
04:42:43 <ChrisMorgan> But it doesn't amount to anything.
04:42:44 <PatrickPatience> I was all like, "Lol, rights...
04:43:35 <ChrisMorgan> PatrickPatience: not polite response: "what, are the police chasing you?" Polite response: "Not unless there is a *really* good reason, because that would make the logs inaccurate. Why are you wanting it removed, anyway?"
04:44:07 <Bensawsome> if you need another i know excid3 makes a good one
04:44:10 <PatrickPatience> At first I totally didn't understand he wanted his actual name removed from the logs.
04:44:11 <Bensawsome> one sec
04:44:12 <PatrickPatience> Was so confused.
04:44:14 <PatrickPatience> And then he told me.
04:44:15 <OliverK> yeah, good luck with that fellow
04:44:17 <PatrickPatience> And was more confused.
04:44:23 <OliverK> ain't EVER gonna happen
04:44:31 <PatrickPatience> My hosting bill is up. Anyone wanna get it?
04:44:42 * OliverK is broke at this time
04:45:00 <Bensawsome> hey Flametail if you are looking for a good logbot: http://excid3.com/blog/projects/logbot/
04:46:32 <sar3th> i need to leave now, bye
04:46:51 <Bensawsome> cya sar3th
04:47:05 <PatrickPatience> Turns out September was a good month for bandwidth usage.
04:47:07 <PatrickPatience> Really good.
04:47:09 <PatrickPatience> Almost too good.
04:47:16 <PatrickPatience> Some large file application released recently?
04:47:40 <ChrisMorgan> Can't think of any particular one.
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04:48:13 <PatrickPatience> AssaultCube?
04:48:33 <ChrisMorgan> That's been entirely on SF AFAIK
04:48:55 <PatrickPatience> Oh.
04:48:56 <PatrickPatience> Strange.
04:49:21 <PatrickPatience> Somehow traffic dropped from 236GB in August to 30GB in September.
04:49:40 <PatrickPatience> It initially peaked back in January.
04:50:45 <PatrickPatience> OH GOD.
04:50:49 <PatrickPatience> It's that damn SMPlayer.
04:51:10 <PatrickPatience> RIGHT.
04:51:16 <PatrickPatience> prapper moved it to SourceForge.
04:51:17 <PatrickPatience> Stellar.
04:51:59 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, he moved all his apps to SF.
04:52:21 <PatrickPatience> Wonder who else is left here.
04:53:13 <PatrickPatience> Code::Blocks.
04:53:16 <PatrickPatience> AngryIPScanner.
04:53:18 <PatrickPatience> K-Meleon.
04:53:19 <PatrickPatience> And.
04:53:21 <PatrickPatience> MediaCoder.
04:53:27 <PatrickPatience> Main ones.
04:55:14 <ChrisMorgan> Code::Blocks?
04:55:36 <ChrisMorgan> Where's that? That was my app until I let ZachThibeau take it and he hasn't made a release...
04:58:05 <PatrickPatience> http://ptrckp.at/7ZWv
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04:58:39 <pa_2051> help!
04:58:39 <GizmoBot> pa_2051: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
04:59:05 <pa_2051> what is the command line for the portable app updater to get the menu of all the available apps?
05:00:24 <OliverK> pa_2051: not supported yet
05:01:20 <pa_2051> i thought it was introduced, but only as a command line
05:01:33 <pa_2051> what was the command switch?
05:01:46 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, well... that was meant to be a secret for Beta 6.
05:02:13 <OliverK> yes, but i don't believe that its really supported yet. you may find some info on it hiding in the forums
05:02:47 <pa_2051> i tried to search but couldnt find the parameter i need to pass to it
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05:03:39 <pa_2051> The site is currently not available due to technical problems. Please try again later. Thank you for your understanding.
05:03:45 <pa_2051> now getting that message
05:05:11 <ChrisMorgan> That happens at 1am NYC time for a few minutes while it's doing backups.
05:05:26 <ChrisMorgan> So in a minute or two it should be back.
05:06:13 <OliverK> yeah, it does that sometimes
05:06:55 <pa_2051> no worries
05:07:25 <pa_2051> so this command line switch for the updater... am i allowed to know it?
05:07:30 <pa_2051> please :o)
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05:12:17 <OliverK> i don't know about it, lemme see something
05:15:04 <OliverK> you might find it poking around in the source, but i need to go to bed
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05:26:40 <pa_2051> found it. thanks.
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10:57:34 <JohnTHaller> hi all
11:20:02 <ChrisMorgan> Hey JohnTHaller
11:20:30 <JohnTHaller> how goes it
11:22:52 <ChrisMorgan> Fine.
11:23:05 <JohnTHaller> Whatcha workin on?
11:32:39 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: I presume the Opera announcement should have the "Opera, Portable Edition is packaged with permission from Opera Software ASA. Opera™ is a trademark of Opera Software ASA" sentence?
11:32:54 <JohnTHaller> In the middle of that edit right now as a matter of fact
11:33:00 <ChrisMorgan> sentence/two sentences. The second should have a full stop on it too ;-)
11:36:45 <JohnTHaller> fixed and updated
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12:02:35 <sar3th> great! we have an official opera portable! :D
12:02:52 <JohnTHaller> We do indeed. And even a dev snapshot of it for good measure :)
12:02:59 <JohnTHaller> People like those, right? RIGHT?!?
12:03:05 <sar3th> nice!
12:03:14 <sar3th> yup, i have the dev version installed locally
12:04:50 <sar3th> but since the installer tends to mess with your normal, local install, it's great that we now also have the devtest as portableapp
12:05:11 <JohnTHaller> yeah, that's why i built it. same as with firefox and chrome.
12:05:58 <sar3th> one thing: is it desired behaviour that the dev test won't start as long as you have an existing opera instance running?
12:06:13 <JohnTHaller> neither will. it's to keep them from stepping on each other
12:06:23 <sar3th> ok
12:06:42 <JohnTHaller> they all share a single reg key they mess with. dev and stable. portable and desktop.
12:07:55 <sar3th> HKCU\Software\Opera Software?
12:08:01 <JohnTHaller> ya
12:08:03 <KookyMan> I've come across an interesting happenstance... Why is a portable edition of FF inheriting a toolbar from the host system when it's running on it?
12:08:22 <JohnTHaller> if the toolbar is installed as a plugin, the portable version gets it.
12:08:45 <KookyMan> It's Adobe crap.
12:08:45 <JohnTHaller> if the host system is running an annoying antivirus software that likes to autoinstall its toolbar, it'll detect the portable version and install into that
12:08:55 <JohnTHaller> Contribute?
12:08:58 <KookyMan> yes
12:09:16 <JohnTHaller> Plugin. Disable it within the portable FF and restart. It should stay disabled on all PCs you use.
12:09:34 <KookyMan> It reactivates every time I plug into that machine.
12:09:55 <KookyMan> let me check something real quick.,
12:09:57 <JohnTHaller> Hmm. Odd. I haven't seen that myself (and I have Contribute installed here). I am running CS4.
12:10:16 <JohnTHaller> Note: Don't uninstall it (if that option is available), disable it.
12:10:26 <KookyMan> Uninstall isn't available
12:11:57 <KookyMan> It's normally listed on the Extentions list, not plugins... And it doesn't error that it is missing when it's plugged into other machines.
12:12:19 <KookyMan> I just fired up my portable FF.. (FF4b6 is what I'm looking at now).
12:12:32 <JohnTHaller> It shouldn't. In that case, it could be installing to global extensions on that PC (All Users within APPDATA).
12:12:51 <JohnTHaller> It could be a beta bug. Try regular FFP and see if it works there.
12:13:33 <KookyMan> Switching....
12:14:44 <KookyMan> FF3.6.10 is not showing the TB now, I'll check it as soon as I get into school. But IIRC, it shows up in 3.6 as well on that machine.
12:15:06 <JohnTHaller> Ok.
12:15:58 <KookyMan> It's not appearing to install to the FFP, otherwise the bar should follow me once it's been installed, or at least give an error of missing files shouldn't it?
12:16:39 <JohnTHaller> No, it doesn't install. It's on the local PC. But FF can't be set to ignore global stuff, so FFP will see it and use it. Same with plugins.
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12:17:16 <KookyMan> Would a global plugin override a local one?
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12:18:07 <JohnTHaller> global = local
12:19:19 <KookyMan> rephrase.. would a plugin local to the host machine override a plugin that is installed to the portable directory?
12:19:38 <JohnTHaller> don't know actually. may take whatever version is higher.
12:19:56 <KookyMan> I always get the "flash is outdated" warning.
12:20:45 <KookyMan> I've updated the plugin in the FF directory, I've updated the plugin on the host machine... never stops
12:20:57 <JohnTHaller> You have an extra copy in Data\plugins?
12:21:36 <KookyMan> yes
12:21:53 <JohnTHaller> Ditch it. Just use FF\plugins and the local one and ensure both are updated
12:22:22 <KookyMan> Ok... will test and talk to you later..
12:22:26 <JohnTHaller> Ok
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12:35:48 <ChrisMorgan> Think I may remove the half-baked DLL registration stuff for 2.1. I don't think Gringoloco's going to have enough time to fix it all up in time. The field of type libraries and DLL servers is a lot more complex in how it's implemented than either of us realised initially.
12:36:05 <rcmaehl> Found/Noted on some http://portableapps.com/node/24258?page=2#comment-159135
12:37:32 <JohnTHaller> rcmaehl: Yeah, the other stuff will be grayed out. And I think I have a fix for icon alpha issues in Wine. Backup and restore may get an update for 2.0 to fix the issue.
12:37:54 <ChrisMorgan> rcmaehl: 7-Zip shouldn't be a problem, it's included in the package.
12:38:10 <ChrisMorgan> And the Backup/Restore batch scripts don't run properly? I admit I've never tried running a batch file in Wine.
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12:40:15 <rcmaehl> Oh good about the fixes.
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12:44:08 <rcmaehl> Oh
12:44:12 <rcmaehl> one more thing
12:44:39 <rcmaehl> THe startportableapps.exe file displayes itself as version 1.999.5.0
12:45:19 <JohnTHaller> Which is correct for the beta
12:45:35 <JohnTHaller> That's 2.0 Beta 5
12:45:44 <JohnTHaller> It won't be "2.0" until final.
12:45:47 <rcmaehl> oh
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12:51:05 <rcmaehl> oh
12:51:59 <rcmaehl> The PA 2.0 beta installer says that the "portable app" needs to be closed in order to install the new version when the old PAM is open.
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12:52:17 <rcmaehl> shouldn't that be "portable apps menu"
12:52:21 <rcmaehl> gtg
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15:42:57 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: where sit SMPlayer and DamnVid?
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16:59:30 <ZachThibeau> I just got an email from FamousWhy.com about PChat being granted the Famous Why Editor's Choice Award
17:00:03 <JohnTHaller> Cool
17:00:17 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: I should be posting them later today. Got a couple meetings first.
17:01:08 <Gizmokid2005> cool beans JohnTHaller :) Just thought I'd check
17:01:25 <Gizmokid2005> It's been really stressful around here, what with trying to get a mortgage and whatnot.
17:03:06 <ZachThibeau> well all I can say I had a bad morning but this news about the award just has brightend my day :)
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23:30:48 <gluxon> JohnTHaller: I think there's a bug in 2.0.4 where silent updates won't work at all.
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23:32:01 <gluxon> I had about 10 updates waiting for me a couple days ago, all of them had the instlalation window pop up.
23:38:42 <JohnTHaller> You must have the platform running in addition to the updater, both in the standard locations, with the updater launched from the platform. Otherwise, silent mode is disabled.
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