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00:30:22 <rcmaehl> KidSafe is finally 1.0 :D
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01:08:42 <cheasee> help!
01:08:42 <GizmoBot> cheasee: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
01:09:37 <cheasee> hum, and how do i set a note at joining like GizmoBot announced for chazz and sar3th? :)
01:09:43 <cheasee> funny stuff ;)
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03:41:31 <dbdii407> cheasee: There's a certain channel you need to join to set a definition up for yourself.
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06:14:11 <Miz> ello
06:14:15 <Miz> umm
06:15:43 <auscompgeek> Yes? Can I help you?
06:16:09 <Miz> you work here or something or...
06:16:26 <auscompgeek> No, I just like to help :)
06:16:54 <Miz> oh ok
06:17:28 <Miz> nvm then
06:17:32 <auscompgeek> and seeing as how you're connecting via webchat, I thought you were looking for help....
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06:17:46 <auscompgeek> as most people do if they're using webchat :)
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06:34:49 <GizmoBot> MaienM is MaienM. He is the developer of The Mana World Portable.
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07:06:52 <pa_0698> Hi, how to open portableapps suite and select an entry only with keyboard?
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10:06:10 <pa_2879> help!
10:06:10 <GizmoBot> pa_2879: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
10:06:51 <pa_2879> Well I have a some translations issues about Portable Apps platform 20. beta 5
10:07:16 <auscompgeek> pa_2879: you could always fix them yourself :)
10:09:31 <pa_2879> I know but mu question are: It does not translate some of the things in finnish when I translated example: I tranlated Blue color in "Sininen" but still it shows word "Blue" in theme section
10:09:36 <pa_2879> *my
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13:06:26 <jh2os24-2> 11th-fret
13:08:33 <ChrisMorgan> jh2os24-2: ?
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19:45:00 <Alcasar> I'm wondering why UPX renders portable launchers useless, even if you Undo the compression.
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19:56:21 <Y3K> Hello!
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19:57:34 <sar3th> hi Y3K
19:57:50 <Y3K> I have a little question.
19:58:16 <Y3K> When should I put the software files in "AppNamePortable/App/AppName"?
19:59:16 <sar3th> you are developing a PortableApp i take it?
19:59:28 <Y3K> Trying :)
19:59:47 <sar3th> :)
19:59:53 <Y3K> I made this post yesterday: http://portableapps.com/node/25234
19:59:56 <sar3th> usually, program files go in that directory
20:00:32 <Y3K> But as I said, I just don't get the whole process :(
20:01:23 <sar3th> well, best is to start by creating the folder structure as outlined by the PAF format
20:01:32 <Y3K> Done :)
20:01:37 <sar3th> then you add your program files in the appropriate locations
20:01:48 <sar3th> i.e. add program files in App\AppName
20:01:58 <Y3K> The whole folder?
20:02:10 <Y3K> Or the program files/app files?
20:02:15 <sar3th> yes, all the files your program needs to work properly
20:02:22 <Y3K> Ok, so just the files.
20:02:30 <Y3K> (Sorry, a little problems with english)
20:02:36 <sar3th> no problem
20:02:48 <Y3K> Fine.
20:03:15 <sar3th> after you have that, you have to create a launcher for your app
20:03:20 <Y3K> And then, the files per user (user data/app) files go to data
20:03:29 <Y3K> Oh...
20:03:33 <sar3th> the simplest way is to use PAL
20:03:48 <Y3K> Sorry, I get lost a little bit.
20:03:52 <Y3K> Yep, I've downloaded the PAL :)
20:04:26 <sar3th> i see you are trying with winamp?
20:04:36 <Y3K> So, I've to copy & paste everyfile from "program files" to "App/AppName"
20:04:38 <Y3K> Yep :)
20:05:04 <Y3K> Also, need to copy the "user data" to "AppName/data"
20:05:05 <Y3K> Right?
20:05:15 <sar3th> yeah, basically
20:05:23 <Y3K> And after that just select the folder with the PAL and that's all?
20:05:35 <Y3K> (Ok, leaving the registry keys for now)
20:05:36 <sar3th> there is a little problem with that though, we have someone who tries to make winamp portable already :<
20:05:55 <Y3K> And what happened?
20:06:34 <sar3th> nothing, he's still maintaining it
20:07:10 <sar3th> you can find it here: http://portableapps.com/node/24503
20:07:15 <Y3K> I do REALLY WANT to write a WHOLE guide step by step, to help the very basic users (like me), but first I need to make a PortableApp (doesn't matter which, just want to learn).
20:07:35 <sar3th> another helpful link is this one here: http://portableapps.com/node/14868
20:08:08 <Y3K> I've already readed that one.
20:08:28 <Y3K> Didn't help to much, I still had question about the files :P
20:08:54 <sar3th> sure, just ask, i shall try to help sorting them out :)
20:09:52 <Y3K> I'll make the guide at the same time, while doing the portable app (does that make sense?)
20:10:08 <sar3th> it does
20:10:27 <Y3K> Awesome.
20:10:48 <Y3K> Ok, so do you think that it's a bad idea try to make Winamp Portable :(?
20:11:18 <sar3th> i don't think it's a "bad idea", it's just a bit pointless ;)
20:12:12 <Y3K> Hahaha, well yeah... I just didn't try to search it before because I thought it was illegal to redistribute without the original installer :S
20:13:18 <Y3K> Well, I don't want to be the first making whatever app portable, I just want to learn how to do it (and thought the Winamp was a good start :P)
20:16:33 <Y3K> Woops! There's something wrong with the Winamp here: http://portableapps.com/node/24503
20:16:42 <Y3K> It's about 60BM!
20:16:44 <Y3K> *MB
20:17:00 <Y3K> I think it should be about 25...
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20:20:59 <Gringoloco> Y3K: 25 MB ?
20:21:31 <Y3K> I think :-S
20:21:56 <Gringoloco> I think it's mainly the languages, which do take a lot of MB
20:22:13 <Y3K> My Winamp folder (downloaded from the official site) is only 24.5 MB (25,747,456 bytes)
20:22:20 <Y3K> Oooh!
20:22:25 <Y3K> Ok, didn't know that :)
20:22:38 <Y3K> I do only have installes English/Spanish.
20:22:50 <Gringoloco> there you go
20:22:57 <Y3K> Ok, thanks :D
20:23:11 <Y3K> Btw, I already downloaded your Portable version ;)
20:23:13 <Y3K> Thanks for it!
20:25:47 <Gringoloco> I have to say, it's not a very good example as a first try of making a portable app.
20:26:24 <Y3K> Yes I think that too now! I'm installing you version and didn't knew it has to download something... (The installer)?
20:27:25 <Gringoloco> it downloads the multi lang installer from the official site, then extracts it
20:27:45 <Y3K> Awesome! And that way isn't illegal right?
20:27:52 <Y3K> Man you're the best! :P
20:28:15 <Y3K> Ok, so I won't try with Winamp for the moment, hahaha.
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20:28:46 <Y3K> EditPlus would be a good start? Or what app do you recomend?
20:28:50 <Gringoloco> there is not that much to the extracting part. Thats all included in the PortableApps.Com Installer
20:31:03 <Y3K> I'll be honest: I think that the documentation here isn't enough to cover the most basic examples/features of the Tools (PAL, PAI for example), and I want to write a "Very Basics" version... But need how it works first, hahaha :P
20:32:32 <Gringoloco> Really Winamp is quite 'portable' by default, so it self it wouldn't be a bad start. What I meant is to not get overwelmed by the launcher I made, it's got a few extra's (custom-code)
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20:34:23 <Y3K> Oooh ok! Got it!
20:34:24 <Y3K> Thank you.
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21:43:07 <ZachThibeau> howdy John
21:43:32 <JohnTHaller> hola
21:44:28 <ZachThibeau> whats new?
21:45:18 <JohnTHaller> Workin on the platform and the app directory. Gonna pause for some app updates in a few minutes. Just had our Delphi XE upgrade come through.
21:46:00 <ZachThibeau> nice
21:46:36 <sar3th> nice
21:46:44 <JohnTHaller> still sick, unfortunately. it's been impeding progress. did leave the apt for the 2nd or 3rd time in 9 days today, though.
21:46:47 <sar3th> migration coming along nicely?
21:47:02 <JohnTHaller> 2010 to XE is pretty painless.
21:47:12 <sar3th> :)
21:47:15 <sar3th> i hoped so
21:47:30 <sar3th> i treid to open a few of my 2010 projects w/ xe and it worked flawlessly
21:47:32 <JohnTHaller> 2007 to 2010 was the big deal with getting everything from ANSI to Unicode in the internals
21:48:21 <JohnTHaller> As it is, I still need to add all the to/from UTF8 code in so we can use UTF8 encoded INI and locale files (makes for smaller file sizes and better compatibility with DIFFs in our source manager)
21:48:21 <ZachThibeau> now would be fun is porting the platform to use freepascal :P, it would be possible but probably best off to recode the platform from scratch there
21:48:57 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, it wouldn't work. Lazarus is about on par with Delphi 7 I think. And we use all the Unicode, PNG and other stuff that's in later versions.
21:49:00 <sar3th> well, TIniFile can cope w/ unicode just fine :)
21:49:11 <sar3th> unicode support in lazarus is pretty nice i read
21:49:50 <ZachThibeau> png support is possible i hear too, not the same as what the delphi version is but I think it could work
21:50:28 <sar3th> it's probably possible w/ some compiler defines to get it to work with both versions flawlessly
21:50:52 <JohnTHaller> Visually we use a lot of Delphi-specific stuff.
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21:51:05 <JohnTHaller> Oh wait, we don't as much anymore. I converted most of the stuff off of it.
21:54:33 <ZachThibeau> John if sar3th and myself manage to get the platform working on lazarus/free pascal and I mean maintain current features and capabilities would you consider switching?
21:55:33 <ZachThibeau> ok switching maybe strong
21:55:50 <ZachThibeau> but it would allow other people who don't have delphi to compile it using lazarus etc
21:56:22 <JohnTHaller> I'd def consider it, yeah. Last I checked Lazarus was still pretty buggy. Granted, this was a couple years ago.
22:03:06 <JohnTHaller> anybody have any thoughts on anything that is on the current app pages that doesn't need to be? or isn't and should be?
22:03:27 <sar3th> geany
22:04:03 <JohnTHaller> Well, that's on hold now due to Oliver's changes, unfortunately. Until he can get permission from Geany for his release to be the official portable release anyway.
22:04:11 <JohnTHaller> DamnVid is coming out today. Geany would have, too.
22:04:29 <sar3th> good for DV, sad for geany :(
22:04:33 <sar3th> i didn't know about that
22:05:28 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, they're both on the 'confirmed ready' list on the outdated apps page, just waiting. I pushed out SMPlayer from the list on Friday. I fast-tracked Opera on Thursday once we finalized the licensing with Opera.
22:05:56 <JohnTHaller> I was gonna do one yesterday one today... but the illness and ER adventure on Sunday pushed that back a bit. So I'm gonnaq push em both out today.
22:06:35 <JohnTHaller> Along with the Opera x2, Miranda, notepad++, pokerth and utorrent updates. And a PA.c Installer update.
22:07:17 <sar3th> do you think we should start with the current beta version for the lazarus port or should we wait for the next one
22:08:15 <JohnTHaller> You can start playing now just to see what will need changing. But I'd wait for the next or later before really getting into it. It's still a very moving target for the next two betas.
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23:03:27 <KookyMan> Any idea on when to expect the 2b6?
23:04:21 <JohnTHaller> Soon. Working on it this week. Converting it from Delphi 2010 to XE this evening
23:04:43 <KookyMan> XE?
23:04:58 <sar3th> =2011
23:05:05 <sar3th> w/ fancy name :)
23:05:17 <JohnTHaller> Yeah. Maybe they'll be switching from yearly releases.
23:05:27 <Everest> who's working on PokerTH 0.8.1 ?
23:05:35 <JohnTHaller> Me
23:05:39 <Everest> I know it's in queue
23:06:16 <Everest> how is it going ? because I'm not able to create a game room
23:06:36 <JohnTHaller> When they upgrade PokerTH, usually the older versions can't connect anymore
23:06:56 <Everest> I see
23:07:02 <KookyMan> Ya know... I'm starting to wonder if you ever worked for Cerulean Studios
23:08:05 <JohnTHaller> For some reason, their RSS feed wasn't in our monitoring queue for new releases. I added PokerTH now, so we'll know as soon as they post a release, rather than waiting for someone to add it to the outdated apps list.
23:08:16 <JohnTHaller> Who worked at Cerulean?
23:08:33 <Everest> JohnTHaller: so Opera, Miranda and Notepad++ are higher priority ?
23:10:04 <KookyMan> You.... I'm reminded of the endless alpha/beta for Astra
23:10:59 <JohnTHaller> There's no priority listed, they're just all in the queue. Opera 10.63 goes first (it's a stable release and it's a security update). The Opera 10.70 build will be posted at the same time since it builds the sameway.
23:11:30 <JohnTHaller> PokerTH would be next because of the multiplayer issue. Then Miranda and Notepad++. They'll; all happen within an hour or so of each other, so the queue doesn't matter much. Just when time is available to build and test the lot.
23:15:16 <Everest> good to know, much appreciated ;)
23:16:07 <JohnTHaller> KookyMan: Yeah, I'm not happy with the perpetual beta either, that's why I'm killing myself behind the scenes to finish this up sooner rather than later
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