IRC Log from 2010-10-19
00:10:07 *** ZachT|AFK is now known as ZachThibeau
00:10:35 <ZachThibeau> hola folks
00:10:40 <JohnTHaller> howdy ZachThibeau
00:10:46 <ZachThibeau> I took a little longer painting than I thought it would be
00:10:55 <JohnTHaller> always works that way
00:11:02 <ZachThibeau> afraid so :P
00:12:21 <ZachThibeau> anyways I need to get my layout finished, going to try and get it done for tonight, and shoot off that email to you too
00:12:31 <JohnTHaller> cool
00:12:37 <JohnTHaller> i'm fixing up another app for release
00:13:20 <ZachThibeau> I noticed on my twitter account through my cellphone that you did some new releases, nice to see VVV released
00:13:39 <JohnTHaller> Yeah. Gonna do XN Resource Editor, Monster 2, Mixx and others this week, too.
00:13:55 <ZachThibeau> nice
00:14:42 <JohnTHaller> I'm gonna shoot for at least one new app a day as time permits going forward. Not an official thing. And not a requirement over weekends :)
00:15:55 <JohnTHaller> One new app a day isn't a big time requirement and helps show constant progress even while lots of stuff behind the scene is going on that doesn't have public process.
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00:38:50 <JohnTHaller> hey ChrisMorgan, is DirectoriesMove or FileWrite processed first?
00:39:37 <ChrisMorgan> FilesMove. But I think you should avoid using both on the same spot if possible - what's the use case?
00:40:04 <JohnTHaller> file that keeps track of favorites in a file open box. has to be in APPDATA. has to have paths updated.
00:40:38 <JohnTHaller> Tried it both ways and it isn't working on either %PAL:DataDir%\settings\fltk.org\filechooser.prefs or %APPDATA%\fltk.org\filechooser.prefs
00:49:28 <JohnTHaller> See anything wrong in this? http://pastebin.com/VV14Ecwb
00:50:22 <ChrisMorgan> First of all, avoid having a slash in the DirectoriesMove thing (and don't use settings). Just use fltk.org, probably
00:51:23 <ChrisMorgan> Wait, I was thinking DirectoriesMove and Files*Move*, not FileWrite... yes, FileWrite is processed before DirectoriesMove.
00:51:41 <ChrisMorgan> So that'll be finding and replacing :X: with :Y:
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00:58:37 <JohnTHaller> Still not touching filechooser.prefs: http://pastebin.com/r9EWnukY
00:59:52 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... I presume the file is there, and I presume that the drive letter has changed?
00:59:58 <JohnTHaller> Yes and yes.
01:00:15 <JohnTHaller> The file is using UNIX EOL if that matters
01:00:26 <ChrisMorgan> Got it: find Drive and replace it with LastDrive? I think you wanted it the other way round.
01:00:34 <JohnTHaller> argle
01:00:37 <JohnTHaller> *facepalm*
01:00:42 <ChrisMorgan> :-)
01:01:11 <JohnTHaller> And it's workin fine now, heh
01:01:23 <ChrisMorgan> Good, as it should :-)
01:02:08 <JohnTHaller> you heard of paul stretch?
01:03:03 <JohnTHaller> http://lifehacker.com/5615442/how-to-create-your-own-slowed+down-ambient-epics
01:04:21 <ChrisMorgan> No
01:05:15 <JohnTHaller> It's a goofy lil app. I've been using it to help out some artist friends of mine. It's kinda handy, though. So I figured I'd just throw it out there as a quick pack. Lil did I know I'd reverse find and replace and spend 25 minutes trying to figure it out
01:09:30 <ChrisMorgan> It /looks/ horrible, but the effect seems to be quite interesting.
01:10:42 <ZachThibeau> ok John email sent
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02:00:41 <JohnTHaller1> \]
02:02:43 <ZachThibeau> hey John did you get my email?
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03:45:18 <JohnTHaller> Sorry was away before
03:45:24 <ZachThibeau> np
03:45:24 <JohnTHaller> Those random chars was the cat
03:45:37 <ZachThibeau> lol I figured as much
03:47:46 <ZachThibeau> anyways before I hit the sack, did you get my email with the attachment?
03:49:01 <JohnTHaller> I did, looks good. I'll probably set you up tomorrow. Falling asleep atm and trying to finish up that last quick release. May just wait til tomorrow on that, too
03:49:40 <ZachThibeau> lol I hear you, I'm off to bed myself
03:49:53 *** ZachThibeau is now known as ZachT|ZzZz
03:50:00 <ZachT|ZzZz> night all
03:50:00 <JohnTHaller> actually, i'm more tired than I thought. I think I'm too tired to do the release well.
03:52:47 <JohnTHaller> I added a note to the Java release tha the updater won't update it yet
04:02:21 <JohnTHaller> gnight all
04:05:06 <ChrisMorgan> G'nite JohnTHaller
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04:05:25 <frakny> hi all
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04:05:46 <ChrisMorgan> Hey frakny, if you have a question, please ask it; I won't be able to help you though as I'm going now.
04:05:51 <frakny> does anyone know to whom i can contact on portableapps business person?
04:07:18 <frakny> i have sent an email to this email address: 'business_development@portableapps.com' few times since last week but no one from portableapps response to it
04:16:10 <frakny> hai ChrisMorgan
04:16:38 <frakny> if you can help me to introduce with your business person?
04:16:44 <frakny> hai @ChrisMorgan
04:16:48 <frakny> if you can help me to introduce with your business person?
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04:59:45 <DADSGETNDOWN> Hi there, using notepad++ for a .cfg in assaultcube, I was told there is a cubescript plugin, is this true ? if so where can I get it ?
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05:22:03 <ChrisMorgan> frakny: I'm back now. John is the one who deals with the business end of things, but he's quite busy at the moment. Many emails lie there for quite a while before being answered. What is your query about?
05:22:40 <ChrisMorgan> DADSGETNDOWN: try searching the web. http://www.google.com.au/search?q=cubescript+notepad%2B%2B
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05:34:54 <frakny> hai @ChrisMorgan
05:35:25 <frakny> iw ould like to know if we can have a join cooperation
05:35:34 <ChrisMorgan> For what?
05:35:42 <frakny> how can you help to bring this forward?
05:36:02 <ChrisMorgan> What with?
05:36:04 <frakny> for having customized portableapps into our devices
05:36:19 <frakny> or can i just send you an email?
05:36:49 <ChrisMorgan> OK, the stuff for that is still being sorted out somewhat, so you'll probably just need to wait. What are you wishing to modify?
05:37:59 <frakny> well, we have certain applications as a result of joint cooperation for example with Google
05:38:19 <frakny> but their apps either web based and windows based
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05:38:46 <frakny> we would like to elaborate more if their apps can be provided as a portableapp
05:39:22 <frakny> somehow, i am not feeling comfortable discussing a business in public board
05:39:36 <frakny> can i have a private chat with you over YM for instance?
05:40:48 <ChrisMorgan> IRC supports private messages, I've just started talking to you there.
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05:43:29 <frakny> hai @ChrisMorgan i already at privtae message
05:43:37 <ChrisMorgan> Yep
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05:50:41 <ace> hello
05:50:51 <ace> I need help with portable opera
05:51:12 <ChrisMorgan> ace: what in particular?
05:51:26 <ace> help: opera portable keeps losing my setting after every restart
05:51:50 <ace> and yet firefox portable is ok
05:51:58 <ChrisMorgan> That sounds strange. Is there anything unusual in how you have Opera set up?
05:52:13 <ChrisMorgan> Did you transfer settings to it or start with a fresh profile in Opera Portable?
05:52:33 <ace> I started with a fresh installation
05:53:08 <ace> I did the same thing that I did with firefox
05:53:12 <ChrisMorgan> When did the issue start?
05:53:24 <ace> as soon as I installed it
05:53:45 <ace> I closed opera and all settings disappeared
05:54:24 <ChrisMorgan> That's not what's meant to happen, and that hasn't happened in general or in my testing of it shortly before it was released.
05:54:51 <ChrisMorgan> First of all, try installing it again into the same directory. Any settings which might possibly be there if they are will be kept.
05:55:23 <ace> I have already triesd to install it twice
05:55:29 <ace> to reinstall it rather
05:55:45 <ace> but everytime I get the same issue
05:56:55 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm. What's in the Data directory?
05:57:38 <ace> let me check
05:59:24 <ace> there it the profile folder and the portableapps installer folder
05:59:59 <ChrisMorgan> settings?
06:00:24 <ChrisMorgan> Another thing - which version are you using?
06:00:33 <ace> there is a settings file but it seems to have no associated app for opening it
06:00:42 <ace> I'm using 10.63
06:00:47 <ChrisMorgan> settings /file/!?
06:00:57 <ace> pardon?
06:01:06 <ChrisMorgan> Data\settings should be a folder containing a file OperaPortableSettings.ini
06:01:19 <ace> well, that path cannot open
06:01:28 <ace> it looks like it was corrupted
06:01:54 <ace> size is 16jb
06:01:56 <ChrisMorgan> Indeed. Try scrapping the entire OperaPortable directory and starting again. Also check the disk for errors to see if it can fix them.
06:02:01 <ChrisMorgan> jb? kb?
06:02:04 <ace> kb
06:02:06 <ace> typo
06:02:21 <ace> ok
06:02:30 <ace> but firefox is ok
06:02:36 <ChrisMorgan> If you're using the Platform 2.0 Beta 5, Options -> Check disk for errors
06:02:44 <ace> I wonder if symantec has anything to do with it
06:03:06 <ChrisMorgan> Shouldn't be. It may potentially delete things but it won't corrupt a folder.
06:03:28 <ace> then why is firefox performing well?
06:03:33 <ChrisMorgan> It's a common form of corruption (comparatively) that a whole folder becomes just a single file.
06:03:41 <ace> ok
06:04:06 <ace> let me try a fresh install and see what happens
06:04:09 <ChrisMorgan> The most likely cause is that you removed the disk while it was still working.
06:04:17 <ace> no
06:04:27 <ace> I waited for the process to end
06:04:53 <ace> I opened task manager to ensure that the process ended before I removed the disk
06:04:55 <ChrisMorgan> Do you use the safe ejection thing though? Because if not, it can still be depending on delayed writes and so break.
06:05:09 <ace> I use it
06:05:42 <ace> although firefox gets no issues even if I just pull the disk out
06:05:42 <ChrisMorgan> In that case, it's worth while considering the possibility of the beginnings of disk failure.
06:06:07 <ChrisMorgan> Other than crashing (I believe Firefox generally crashes almost immediately when a disk is removed)?
06:06:31 <ace> the disk is new
06:07:11 <ace> firefox has no issue whatsoever but I don't make it a habit of removing withy using the safe option
06:07:28 <ChrisMorgan> That still doesn't excuse it from failure, unfortunately. It tends to make it somewhat less likely, but it doesn't remove the possibility by a long shot.
06:07:30 <ace> firefox has no issue whatsoever but I don't make it a habit of removing without using the safe option
06:08:00 <ace> 98 percent of the time I use the safe option to eject the disk
06:08:45 <ChrisMorgan> Well, corruption of some sort seems to be the solution, fix that and check the disk for errors (which can fix up things, it's not just a check), and then proceed with caution, I'd say.
06:08:59 <ace> ok
06:09:15 <ace> I'll try to check for errors once again
06:09:36 <ChrisMorgan> If you did it just before that's sufficient
06:10:10 <ace> I did
06:10:18 <ace> it recovered some files
06:10:27 <ace> so I formatted the disk
06:10:38 <ace> and installed firefox and opera again
06:10:52 <ace> opera crashed seconds l;ater
06:11:28 <ace> ... then I tried to restart it but the settings were one
06:11:56 <ace> so I switched to firefox and have had no issues since
06:12:35 <ChrisMorgan> Personally I think you're much better off with Firefox... but naturally that's a personal opinion :P
06:12:53 <ace> ha!
06:12:59 <ace> and why is that?
06:13:38 <ace> I also seem to have issue with opera loading pages
06:13:50 <ace> that has happened to me for years
06:14:00 <ace> I think I will stick to firefox
06:17:57 <ace> ok, I'm out
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08:45:41 <benedikt93> somebody wants some new shoes? -> forum spam http://portableapps.com/user/159725
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09:09:27 <pa_6269> Spammer on the prowl - http://portableapps.com/user/159725
09:14:06 <dboki89> pa_6269: already reported by benedikt93, it appears that there are no moderators available at the moment... :(
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09:42:00 <eagles0513875|2> hey guys keep up the good work love portableapps
09:46:18 <eagles0513875|2> hey guys is there a plan to bring the portable apps to linux and mac
09:49:36 <auscompgeek> eagles0513875|2: linux? use WINE
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09:54:40 <dboki89> eagles0513875|2: IIRC, you already have a similar project for Mac --> http://www.freesmug.org/portableapps
09:55:13 <eagles0513875|2> wasnt aware bout that
10:00:40 <dboki89> auscompgeek: I'll be playing Chris for one moment, you know, picking nits... :p Sorry about that in advance. Note that the correct name of the Wine project's little baby is "Wine", not "WINE", even though it's an acronym. Just saying :)
10:05:59 <auscompgeek> Ah, right.
10:06:09 <auscompgeek> Ok, I'll note that down.
10:07:42 <eagles0513875|2> auscompgeek: remember me :p
10:08:48 <eagles0513875|2> from bitlbee :p
10:15:03 <auscompgeek> yup :p
10:21:10 <eagles0513875|2> haha every channel i come into
10:21:11 <eagles0513875|2> i see u
10:26:27 <auscompgeek> lol
10:26:31 <auscompgeek> I'm everywhere. :P
10:27:01 <auscompgeek> I'm in so many channels here on freenode, it takes up two lines in /whois.
10:27:23 <eagles0513875|2> lol just shows you in this channel auscompgeek
10:27:31 <auscompgeek> that's because I'm +i.
10:27:39 <auscompgeek> Here, I'll -i for you.
10:27:48 <auscompgeek> Try now. :P
10:29:06 <eagles0513875|2> holy heaven on earth lol
10:29:23 <auscompgeek> lol
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11:23:35 <Simeon> hi all
11:23:44 <Simeon> Hi ChrisMorgan
11:23:58 <ChrisMorgan> Hey Simeon
11:27:23 <Simeon> Does PAL support one exe launch with 2 commandline arguments/2 icons?
11:27:45 <Simeon> not running side by side but one after the ot5her
11:28:43 <ChrisMorgan> It's been requested just recently and I like the sound of it. At the moment, use custom code.
11:28:59 <Simeon> custom code?
11:29:19 <Simeon> Ill have to think about how to get that done...
11:30:57 <ChrisMorgan> In PreExec or Post, StrCpy $0 "%PAL:AppDir%\..." | ${ParseLocations} $0 | Exec[Wait] $0
11:33:42 <Simeon> so I basically write a custom exec thing and tell the launcher to skip the regular one if a command argument was passed.
11:34:17 <Simeon> Thanks!
11:35:21 <Simeon> maybe Ill stick to my custom launcher cause it works without the menu.
11:35:37 <ChrisMorgan> Oh, it's dependant on a certain command line argument?
11:35:58 <ChrisMorgan> I misunderstood what you meant. You need it to run one thing normally or another thing if arguments have been passed?
11:36:29 <Simeon> the app has one exe and 2 modes: one for entering birthdays into a gui(ini file) and one for just checking if someones birthday is coming up in the next days.
11:37:17 <ChrisMorgan> Use [Launch]:ProgramExecutableWhenParameters. It's used by NSIS Portable to run NSIS.exe or makensisw.exe when there are arguments. I just missed it somehow in the 2.0 documentation. It's in the 2.1 docs.
11:37:52 <Simeon> ok :) its "C:\Programme\Birthday Reminder\bday.exe 1" versus "C:\Programme\Birthday Reminder\bday.exe" so that should work
11:39:30 <ChrisMorgan> OK, I misunderstood you again... for the moment, the second one can just be a simple NSIS executable launching the main one, I'd say.
11:40:59 <Simeon> its a bit tricky: if you launch the program with out the 1, it checks for birthdays and if I launch it with the 1 I can enter them into the Gui.
11:41:36 <Simeon> right now I have 2 nsi and 2 exes in the root folder.
11:44:55 <Simeon> do you have a link to the 2.1 doc?
11:50:15 <Simeon> gotta go - Thanks Chris for the info!
11:50:26 <ChrisMorgan> http://portableapps.chrismorgan.info/launcher/manual
11:50:33 <ChrisMorgan> That's always up to date.
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11:51:35 <Simeon> Whats the 5 different runasadmins for? isnt 1 enough?
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12:39:01 <pa_8585> you guys think you could do something like this: http://www.pendriveapps.com/portable-start-menu-appetizer/ in one of your later builds?
12:39:55 <pa_8585> With stuff like drag and drop sorting
12:42:57 <pa_8585> and maybe a smaller interface for netbooks?
12:47:34 <pa_8585> Hello?
12:49:51 <BeckySanderlin`x> :D
12:50:25 <pa_8585> HI
12:51:33 <pa_8585> Well, I;ve got to go
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13:41:32 <Drive-Dude> Hi
13:42:37 <Drive-Dude> Do anyone know where I can find themes for PortableApps.com Platform because PTC http://ptc.kain-planet.de/index.php does not work
13:45:09 <dboki89> Hi Drive-Dude. I think there's a web page made by solanus that is dedicated to PA themes
13:46:27 <dboki89> I found it for you --> http://paskins.sourceforge.net/
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13:48:54 <Drive-Dude> Is it free or do they cost?
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13:51:23 <Drive-Dude> I am gonna go now. But have a nice day
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16:21:06 <ewet> hi, is there a way portableapps recognizes shortcuts? I need to give portable iron two command-line parameters: --disk-cache-size=1 --media-cache-size=1
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16:21:40 <ewet> tried .bat as well..
16:22:43 <ZachThibeau> ewet: if you go into other/source folder there is an ini file there which you need to copy to your appnameportbale.exe folder and once you do that edit the file and under (if I recall) additional parameters save and close the file you should be able to use extra parameters
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16:25:58 <ewet> hmm i can only see the source.txt and license.txt files there
16:26:34 <ZachThibeau> give me one moment
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16:27:15 <ewet> i have the platform-only install if that matters
16:28:29 <ZachThibeau> ok Iron Portable did you get that from PortableApps.com or from the iron website
16:31:02 <ewet> from the iron website
16:31:40 <ZachThibeau> ok well if you go to IronPortable\App\AppInfo\launcher open up IronPortable.ini
16:32:05 <ZachThibeau> there you should find CommandLineArguments= and just add it to the end of the string there the commands you want to add
16:39:33 <ewet> that's _my_ tree http://pastebin.com/mYTwgHM6
16:41:09 <ZachThibeau> then it isn't under the portableapps.com format
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16:41:58 <ZachThibeau> I suggest using this http://www.srware.net/downloads/Iron_PortableApps.paf.exe
16:42:37 <ZachThibeau> this version here supports the PortableApps.com Format and is guaranteed portable
16:42:54 <ewet> okay thank you
16:43:03 <ewet> weird though..
16:43:20 <ZachThibeau> and then you can go into the folder where I told you to edit for the cache stuff
16:44:12 <ewet> okay thanks for your help
16:44:19 <ZachThibeau> no problem
16:44:56 <ZachThibeau> now if you have bookmarks you may have some issues trying to import them into IronPortable, I'm not sure if iron has a backup/restore feature for backup up bookmarks
16:47:40 <ZachThibeau> it may be possible to manually back them up though
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16:55:36 <ewet> happy re-configuration time ;-)
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17:26:43 <ewet> okay everything seems to work thanks :)
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17:30:55 <pa_7257> ghrome portable downloading twice then saying there was an error and will not install either standalone or within Portableapps - Help!
17:31:58 <pa_7257> i meant to say CHROME portable sorry... ;-)
17:33:06 <BeckySanderlin`x> ?
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18:00:25 <OliverK> .seen johnthaller
18:00:25 <GizmoBot> OliverK: I last saw johnthaller at 2010-10-19 04:02:20 UTC on #portableapps
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18:12:01 <joao> ola
18:12:13 <joao> estou com um pequeno problema
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18:20:38 <LOGAN> hello
18:21:21 <BeckySanderlin`x> k
18:31:16 <ZachThibeau> howdy LOGAN long time no see
18:33:28 <LOGAN> hey ZachThibeau, yeah I noticed VVV was released
18:34:19 <ZachThibeau> that and soon as well XN Resource Editor too according to John last night
18:35:22 <LOGAN> I checked log, seems I did pre-release for 0.9 in october 2008 or so
18:39:05 <LOGAN> great to see new apps lately. and the updater is great. Hilarious when I saw it wanted to update VVV as well which I still had installed
18:41:01 <LOGAN> I found a great novel writer app (Storybook) but then noticed it was just for organizing book, not actually write it. After searching I found an even better one: yWriter. Freeware by a published writer, sadly not open source :(
18:41:49 <ZachThibeau> brb
18:41:55 <LOGAN> I love to get XN Resource editor too, if that is what I think it is
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18:44:23 <ZachThibeau> and xn resource editor is pretty much like reshacker
18:49:08 <LOGAN> nice
18:49:37 <LOGAN> oh now I have to check out Virtual Volumes View Photo Edition, lol
18:50:01 <LOGAN> a similar app but for photos as VVV
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18:51:20 <LOGAN> ZachThibeau: would definitly be useful
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19:01:17 <TerryDan> I think this is probably a pretty straight-forward question... Can I install fonts so they are available wherever I use portable apps?
19:02:31 <LOGAN> not sure but I doubt it as I think usable fonts need to be in the Windows fonts directory.
19:03:06 <ZachThibeau> there isn't any font support atm for the platform, most apps will only use what is default within windows
19:03:14 <LOGAN> hmm could there be a Portable app for that?
19:03:47 <TerryDan> That's what I thought... but, it was worth the question... Thanks for the swift response.
19:03:54 <ZachThibeau> I believe there was one but I'm not sure if it's being actively maintained anymore
19:03:58 <TerryDan> Logan LOL
19:04:35 <OliverK|Away> yes there is one, though I haven't seen the developer recently
19:04:40 <OliverK|Away> it still works though
19:04:48 <ZachThibeau> guy on the forums named wraithdu wrote one but like I said it hasn't been maintained in a long while
19:05:10 <OliverK|Away> yes, but it still works :)
19:05:34 <LOGAN> hmm it needs to be carefull not to mess up installed fonts and well, GBs of fonts, you know, can also be a problem
19:05:41 <LOGAN> interewsting thought though
19:08:15 <TerryDan> Could you please tell me if it is available for download?
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19:11:52 <OliverK|Away> yeah, sorry
19:11:55 <OliverK|Away> hangon
19:12:29 <TerryDan> NP
19:13:48 <OliverK|Away> http://portableapps.com/node/16003
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19:16:54 <TerryDan> Thanks... I'll give it a try
19:17:01 <OliverK|Away> no problem
19:17:42 <LOGAN> looks actually very useful
19:18:03 <OliverK|Away> its built into Geany Portable's source
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23:53:56 <ZachThibeau> howdy ChrisMorgan
23:54:04 <ChrisMorgan> Hey ZachThibeau