IRC Log from 2010-10-21
00:00:51 <ChrisMorgan> Have you tried hg much? I used to be an SVN person but once I started using bzr and then hg I found they really were better than svn - and not very different in usability, either - just more useful. But, each to his own...
00:01:46 <ZachThibeau> yes actually I have, and I just like the structure of svn more than I do mercurial thats all
00:02:43 <ChrisMorgan> One of the biggest things I actually found helpful about not using svn is that you got a .bzr or .hg folder in the root of the repository - rather than pesky .svn directories right through, so that you had to be careful in "clean" scripts and things like that to never remove a directory in version control...
00:04:05 <ZachThibeau> I actually prefer the extra work (yeah I know a sucker for punishment I am) but I like what I like
00:04:28 <ChrisMorgan> "You are mad! Your great learning has turned you mad!"
00:04:57 <ChrisMorgan> A nice quotation, that.
00:04:57 <ZachThibeau> and it has never let me down :P and like Rick astly said in his famous song, Never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down
00:05:07 <ChrisMorgan> Never heard of it or him :-)
00:05:14 <ZachThibeau> you're lucky then :P
00:05:29 <ZachThibeau> it's a catchy song that turned into an internet prank :/
00:06:14 <ChrisMorgan> And how do you cope when using grep (if you ever do)? .svn folders everywhere! (Best solution: use ack instead of grep) :-)
00:06:28 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: did something happen to the Thunderbird release?
00:07:25 <ZachThibeau> I never used grep
00:15:02 <sar3th> i have a cleanup script if i ever need to get rid of the .svn folders
00:17:35 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: that's what svn export does. The problem is getting rid of them by mistake
00:17:43 <ChrisMorgan> Because that destroys the repository.
00:17:54 <ChrisMorgan> Or rather, the checkout.
00:18:44 <sar3th> i rarely ran into problems with them
00:18:54 <sar3th> and i agree with ZachThibeau
00:20:47 <ChrisMorgan> By the way, while thinking about all that... sar3th, are you doing anything with MinGW? ZachThibeau, are you doing anything with Code::Blocks? I'd like to have them approach release.
00:23:02 <ZachThibeau> to be honest I don't know anymore, with a deadline for PChat 2.0 that I'm pushing for this month and now a new project, I don't have that much time to work on codeblocks anymore, I thought I could do it, but I need to let it go, sar3th iirc has some plans for MinGWPortable last I heard from him
00:26:52 <ZachThibeau> and as much as I really want to do codeblocks, I also want to see PChat 2.0 to come to fruition as well as now ChillPlayer too
00:27:52 <ChrisMorgan> Perhaps I'll update Code::Blocks then.
00:30:14 <sar3th> ChrisMorgan: i haven't had the time lately to update MinGW to anything; my launcher dealt with msys, which has changed their shell and stuff, so i'm not sure what to do; MinGW basically needs no handling at all, only MSYS does, and i don't think people use it
00:30:38 <ZachThibeau> my first commit is being uploaded to svn
00:30:43 <ZachThibeau> and sar3th I use msys :O
00:32:01 <ChrisMorgan> My opinion was that MinGW should be should be a CommonFiles package and MSYS Portable a full package that depends on MinGW, and Code::Blocks can depend on MinGW, etc.
00:32:36 <sar3th> i guess that would work somehow
00:33:27 <ChrisMorgan> The only slight hitch to it currently is that the Updater can't update CommonFiles plugins yet.
00:33:37 <ChrisMorgan> "somehow"?
00:33:56 <sar3th> i can even offer several versions of MinGW then
00:33:56 <ChrisMorgan> It seems to me purer - people then aren't stuck with MSYS and an app icon for it unless they want it.
00:34:32 <ChrisMorgan> That could be done - how would you do it - CommonFiles\MinGW\X.Y or CommonFiles\MinGW-X.Y?
00:34:33 <sar3th> well, the package started as MSYS Portable ;)
00:34:49 <sar3th> MinGW-X.4
00:34:54 <sar3th> *Y
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01:29:32 <ChrisMorgan> This Code::Blocks launcher becomes a lot simpler with PAL... Gringoloco's wildcards stuff is great, can update the drive letter in *.conf easily :-)
01:30:18 <ChrisMorgan> Final result: 13 lines of INI plus 27 lines of simple (and commented) NSIS... *ahhh*
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01:43:44 <Everest> the CAPTCHA are getting harder every day
01:43:56 <Everest> One day I won't be able to log in here
01:44:22 <Everest> today it took me about 30 sec to log-in :\
01:44:51 <Everest> I wonder why isn't there a development of eMule Portable
01:44:53 <Everest> ?
01:45:05 <Everest> don't say viruses or fakes
01:45:50 <Everest> I use it at home and when you get a clean server list and read the comments on files you never get viruses or fakes
01:46:17 <Everest> it also supports filter lists that blocks bad IPs
01:47:06 <ChrisMorgan> Everest: captcha?
01:47:16 <Everest> it also features an IRC client so you can get help in your language or just chat with people
01:48:27 <Everest> ChrisMorgan: never mind, you're probably using an IRC client, I log in using the site
01:49:02 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm. Didn't realise Freenode had put a CAPTCHA on the thing :-/
01:49:24 <Everest> they did at some point
01:49:33 <Everest> it gets harder every day
01:49:39 <Everest> anyway
01:49:41 <Everest> ..
01:50:17 <ChrisMorgan> They're getting more and more antisocial in their behaviour, I reckon... first they block a really good client, Mibbit, and relegate people to the rubbish that is webchat.freenode.net, now they're adding in CAPTCHAs... seems to me they're not at all confident of their capacity to deal with baddies.
01:51:13 <Everest> they're just confused :S
01:51:41 <Everest> as I was saying .. eMule should be easy to make portable as it's already offered in an archive version
01:52:01 <Everest> that keeps all settings in it's own folder
01:52:47 <Everest> we just need to create a launcher to handle the drive letter change when moving between PCs
01:53:16 <Everest> to keep track of "Incoming" and "Temp" folders location
01:53:16 <ChrisMorgan> Feel free to try yourself - things like that are very easy with the PortableApps.com Launcher.
01:53:53 <Everest> what do I need to do ?
01:56:30 <ChrisMorgan> If you're starting, it's probably easiest to take a look at other apps using PAL.
01:56:35 <Everest> I would like to see this becoming official, it there a chance ?
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02:19:04 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller1: is Paul Stretch the only very recent app to use PAL?
02:19:33 <ChrisMorgan> Meaning, the only one of the new releases from this week to use it?
02:44:47 <ChrisMorgan> So... I don't believe any officially released app has used custom code with PAL yet.
02:54:36 <ChrisMorgan> :-( My nice changegroup hook to update the manual on my server is failing when run on the SourceForge server - wget was useless but curl gets exit code 7 - CURLE_COULDNT_CONNECT
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03:09:04 <ChrisMorgan> Restricted access. However, email should work so I can set it up that way... :-/
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04:32:19 <JohnTHaller> hey guys
04:32:51 <ChrisMorgan> Hey JohnTHaller
04:33:14 <JohnTHaller> Sorry I've been out. A bit sidelined with a migraine all day.
04:33:53 <JohnTHaller> I finally got through all the MD5 checks and got the updater database updates so I posted the Thunderbird announcement. Sorry it had to sit on SF without people knowing most of the day.
04:35:47 <ChrisMorgan> I also change the PaulStretch thing to link to PAL in its source description
04:35:54 <JohnTHaller> Ah thanks
04:36:16 <JohnTHaller> I'll be including that field in the new directory. It's not done but it's on the list.
04:37:41 <ChrisMorgan> I got the list and checked what they were all doing - http://portableapps.chrismorgan.info/launcher/manual/examples/#apps-using-pal :-)
04:38:00 <JohnTHaller> Ah nice.
04:42:13 <JohnTHaller> I'm gonna hold off on a new app release for today and do two tomorrow instead (XN and Monster 2). I still have a splitting headache.
04:42:24 <ChrisMorgan> Then go to bed! :-)
04:42:36 <JohnTHaller> I am. Gnight all!
04:42:44 <ChrisMorgan> Do you want me to take a final look over them?
04:43:30 <JohnTHaller> No, thanks. I haven't even done final builds of either. Just been to out of it today.
04:43:56 <OliverK|Away> night
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10:31:34 <ChrisMorgan> Ah, the way spamers work is incomprehensible - https://www.ohloh.net/forums/3491/topics/5733?page=1
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12:38:45 <ace__> does anyone know what network.tcp.sendbuffer means in firefox about:config
12:39:40 <ace__> plus network.buffer.cache.count and possibly network.buffer.cache.size
12:40:32 <sar3th> uhm, check firefox documentation?
12:41:48 <ace__> where can I get it?
12:42:02 <ace__> sorry, I'm new to this...
12:42:13 <Gizmokid2005> .g network.tcp.sendbuffer Firefox
12:42:14 <GizmoBot> Gizmokid2005: http://bitsup.blogspot.com/2009/02/increasing-upload-speed-from-firefox-on.html
12:42:24 <Gizmokid2005> there you go ace__ ^^ google is a good place to look
12:43:28 <ace__> thanks... let me have a look
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14:48:52 <pa_6003> .seen gluxon
14:48:52 <GizmoBot> pa_6003: I last saw gluxon at 2010-10-10 20:18:55 UTC on #portableapps
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16:04:36 <jh2os24> sorry
16:05:04 <jh2os24> i was trying to join that channel cause my bot is on there and it can send me my server ip so i can ftp into it lol
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17:37:00 <pa_5749> Help! I am not certain how to organize installed apps to list and function correctly in the prtable apps platform. Music, Pictures and Video folders not functioning and auxilliary apps (CCleaner, Speccy) working files are scattered is there a example Hiarchy I could view to orgainize files?
17:37:52 <sar3th> if they are portable apps, they organize their files themselves and don't scatter them anywhere
17:38:42 <pa_5749> ......I think I scattered them, would it be best to uninstall and reinstall?
17:38:57 <pa_5749> while learning how to use the portable apps platform
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17:43:54 <pa_5749> For a small request how do I adjust the default browser between applications from Mozilla to Chrome?
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18:36:56 <Simeon> hi all
18:37:08 <sar3th> hey Simeon :)
18:38:57 <ZachThibeau> howdy Simeon
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18:39:20 <Simeon> hi Zach and sar3th
18:40:17 <Simeon> its always sad to see someone come here, ask something and disappear after a short time because no one answered.
18:40:36 <sar3th> that's true
18:41:05 <Simeon> sometimes its our fault because no one is here - but some people only wait 2-3 minutes...
18:41:15 <ZachThibeau> I'm up to my neck in code :/
18:41:25 <Simeon> Chillplayer?
18:41:43 <ZachThibeau> actually no, but that's next on the list
18:41:50 <ZachThibeau> PChat compilation on linux
18:41:54 <Simeon> ah
18:42:30 <ZachThibeau> Luis a guy on my team (yes I actually have a team of coders on PChat :P) decided to make some changes that screwed things over in compiling in linux
18:42:39 <ZachThibeau> not his fault really, he's more used to coding on windows
18:45:58 <ZachThibeau> a little frustrating though :/
18:46:23 <Simeon> yes
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22:06:12 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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22:14:35 <Everest> is there a portable ICQ client ?
22:14:47 <JacobMastel> Pidgin and Miranda will both handle ICQ
22:15:41 <JacobMastel> I believe SeaMonkey might also support it. But I'm not sure, and that adds a browser and email client to the mix.
22:16:24 <Everest> so Pidgin will handle MSN and ICQ ?
22:16:39 <sar3th> yes
22:16:40 <JacobMastel> It will handle pretty much everything I've ever heard of
22:17:03 <JacobMastel> MSN Yahoo, live, icq, gadu-gadu, icq, irc, facebook, myspace, AIM,
22:17:05 <JacobMastel> Gtalk...
22:17:07 <JacobMastel> The list goes on
22:18:28 <JacobMastel> http://www.pidgin.im gives a complete list on the homepage.
22:19:00 <JacobMastel> Plugins on their website add other networks to the possibilities.
22:20:47 <Everest> should I use the Encryption plugin ?
22:21:15 <JacobMastel> Depending on how paranoid you are about security. You may have a valid reason for it... But I wouldn't
22:21:25 <Everest> I will be using ICQ to arrange multiplayer matches
22:21:26 <JacobMastel> The person you converse with would need to have it as well.
22:22:05 <JacobMastel> Assuming you're on a secure connection (not unsecured wifi) you should be fine.
22:22:18 <Everest> I won't be transferring sensitive info,
22:22:26 <JacobMastel> Then don't bother.
22:22:38 <JacobMastel> Everyone else would have to use that same plugin, and thereby all have to use pidgin.
22:22:56 <Everest> I don't think they are
22:23:59 <Everest> thanks for your patience
22:24:14 <JacobMastel> Np. Any other questions?
22:26:23 <Everest> I'm fine for now, thank you Jacob
22:26:35 <Everest> any chance you're from Slovakia ?
22:26:48 <JacobMastel> Lol no. I'm from the USA.
22:27:10 <Everest> I have a friend Jacob from Slovakia :)
22:27:29 <JacobMastel> Spelled Jacob?
22:27:41 <Everest> yes
22:28:30 <Everest> known as FANATIC in online games
22:28:52 <JacobMastel> A foreign exchange student, from the Czech Republic), I stay in contact with spells it Jakub (accent on the u). He said that's how most people in that area spell it.
22:32:38 <Everest> I can't access icq.com I want to create an account
22:33:19 <JacobMastel> Why not?
22:34:22 <Everest> Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to www.icq.com
22:34:48 <JacobMastel> I can't connect either...
22:34:59 <JacobMastel> They may be having site issues. I just tried with FF
22:35:21 <Everest> will try again later
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