IRC Log from 2010-10-26
00:00:03 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon: btw, I have stats generated hourly... 32 for DT1, 29 for DT2... fairly high for the first day or so of a DT.
00:00:55 <Scriptdaemon> I expected a lot of downloads, which is why I didn't want to host them from my Dropbox account.
00:01:32 <ChrisMorgan> How much does dropbox allow, approximately?
00:01:58 <Scriptdaemon> 10 GB a week.
00:02:04 <Scriptdaemon> For a free account.
00:04:03 <ChrisMorgan> https://www.dropbox.com/help/45 says 10GB/day
00:05:00 <Scriptdaemon> Oh, interesting. I emailed them a few month back and 10 GB/week is what they told me.
00:05:05 <Scriptdaemon> months*
00:05:42 <ChrisMorgan> So if your account was just hosting that (no idea what it does host) you could cope with 500 downloads a day, which would be fine. 10GB/week would be about 70 a day - and you're currently over that rate.
00:05:44 <Scriptdaemon> Hmm. Maybe I would be able to use my own account then.
00:05:56 <ChrisMorgan> It's entirely up to you. I'm happy to host the files if you want.
00:06:23 <Scriptdaemon> I'll leave it for now to see how it goes for the rest of the week.
00:06:26 <ChrisMorgan> Actually, that's 10GB/day per "link"
00:08:20 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: what do you think of moving the EULA and PortableApps.comInstallerCustom.nsh to App\AppInfo or App\AppInfo\Installer?
00:09:56 <ChrisMorgan> The wizard could move them to achieve backwards compatibility, as in the PAL Generator. I think AppInfo is a good spot for all that sort of stuff. Currently we have appinfo.ini and installer.ini in AppInfo, but custom code and the EULA in a different directory although they're used by the same Installer.
00:13:18 <Scriptdaemon> I agree. ^
00:14:26 <Scriptdaemon> Oh, btw Chris. Marble has updated, and I remember you made a comment that implied you didn't see how useful it was. They added a lot of new features it seems that I think make it a lot more useful.
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00:18:58 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon: looks to have quite a few major features added! I'd be interested to see how much they transfer to the Qt version, though, which in 0.9 was quite crippled compared to the KDE version.
00:19:19 <ChrisMorgan> Judging by the Maemo stuff they've got, a fair bit of it is in now.
00:19:57 <JacobMastel> Marble?
00:20:09 <ChrisMorgan> http://edu.kde.org/marble/
00:20:15 <ChrisMorgan> Google Earth type thing
00:20:40 <JacobMastel> Ah, a linux version...
00:20:53 <Scriptdaemon> I'll have to update this tonight after work.
00:21:30 <ChrisMorgan> Isn't it illogical... the Spybot DT1 link has been gone for about 12 hours and yet in the last hour the download count went up from 29 to 32 :-/
00:21:43 * ChrisMorgan hates download sites
00:22:00 <Scriptdaemon> lol
00:39:18 <ChrisMorgan> Good. Gmail no longer crashes Firefox :-)
00:44:58 <sar3th> it always worked here
00:46:00 <dbdii407> http://portableapps.com/node/25391
00:46:48 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: it was a breakage in the 4 nightly.
00:47:55 <ChrisMorgan> A bug present since 3.0 in 64-bit systems in the handling somewhere between bits 33 and 64, but only properly triggered after an almost irrelevant change in Firefox 4.
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01:19:16 <ZachThibeau> well I completely officially, don't know how I did it, but I somehow ruined my windows partition and I can't access my data anymore, time to rebuild :/
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01:46:37 <ChrisMorgan> Wow.
01:48:37 <ZachThibeau> murphy's law seems to hit me the most on mondays :/
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02:44:53 <JohnTHaller> I'm thinking EULA to App\AppInfo (fallback of Other\Source). But I'm thinking the custom code kinda belongs in Other\Source
02:47:18 <ChrisMorgan> When appinfo.ini is in AppInfo, and installer.ini is in AppInfo, and EULA.txt|rtf is in AppInfo?
02:47:55 <JohnTHaller> Everything else is just config or text info. Custom code is actually code.
02:48:09 <ChrisMorgan> installer.ini is achieving just the same result.
02:48:37 <ChrisMorgan> AppInfo\Launcher contains Custom.nsh now. It keeps it all together in one place.
02:48:38 <JohnTHaller> config details vs custom code. other\source is beckoning it in my mind for some reason
02:48:56 <JohnTHaller> Maybe AppInfo\Installer should contain EULA and installer.ini
02:48:59 <JohnTHaller> and custom
02:49:22 <ChrisMorgan> That'd work too, but it does require a revision to the PAF spec.
02:49:44 <ChrisMorgan> While we were at it then, the plugin stuff could be moved to App\AppInfo\Plugin or something like that?
02:49:45 <JohnTHaller> True. But I can have the installer automatically move/rename any of the old bits, so no actual changes are necessary on the parts of developers
02:49:52 <JohnTHaller> plugin stuff?
02:49:57 <ChrisMorgan> plugin installers
02:50:38 <ChrisMorgan> My opinion is that we should really be phasing out anything unique about the Other directory - if IE 6 and 7 had supported the data: URL scheme properly I'd even suggest merging the images in and killing the Other directory completely.
02:51:20 <JohnTHaller> data: URL?
02:51:32 <JohnTHaller> Oh right, nvm
02:51:51 <ChrisMorgan> Unfortunately Microsoft only implemented it in IE8 (and that only a crippled implementation)
02:53:44 <ChrisMorgan> But then also by hiding the launcher configuration in Other\Source we make it so most users don't fiddle with it. In help.html it'd be more publicly visible which might not be a good thing...
03:05:43 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, adding launcher configs to the html files will be annoying. And adding the GPL somewhere besides Source
03:12:12 <JohnTHaller> Although we could define a standard section of HTML for PAL configs (disable splash, etc) and use that for all the PAL apps.
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03:13:49 <ChrisMorgan> At the moment I say that app-specific config should go in help.html (generally it's desired to be more public too) and Other\Source is never changed from the template (it gives details of DisableSplashScreen and AdditionalParameters.
03:32:40 <ChrisMorgan> Eww, yuck. Running Skype Portable changed the resolution and bit depth of my VM.
03:32:59 <JohnTHaller> odd. never seen that. was it set at something odd?
03:33:40 <ChrisMorgan> It was running at its "native" 1680x926 (the VM window size)
03:33:52 <JohnTHaller> laptop?
03:34:15 <ChrisMorgan> Yep
03:35:06 <JohnTHaller> color depth?
03:36:55 <ChrisMorgan> It seems it automatically got changed back to 32-bit, not sure what it got set to though, just that VirtualBox put up a message box about suboptimal bit depth.
03:37:44 <ChrisMorgan> VM sound is jerky... that's new since upgrading to Ubuntu 10.10, I think... wonder whether it's the same problem as the way Pidgin sounds are all crackly and noisy now (though other things work fine)
03:38:11 <JohnTHaller> You running the latest virtual box?
03:39:23 <ChrisMorgan> Well, the latest in the Ubuntu repository... 3.2.8 OSE. Might see if I can get 3.2.10 PUEL set up.
03:40:48 <ChrisMorgan> Can't reproduce the issues reported with Skype.
03:41:05 <JohnTHaller> odd
03:41:23 <JohnTHaller> I don't run Ubuntu as my main OS anywhere, so I can't test. I run it in VM and upgraded to 10.10 today.
03:45:12 <ChrisMorgan> Also in the Platform 2.0 Beta 5, running from my XP VM (meaning its' running from a network drive), I've tried uninstalling several apps; one succeeded, the other four or so have said "Unable to install %APPNAME%" and leave just a few files in the directory (sometimes a couple of DLLs or executables, the latest one I tried left the launcher and Other\Help\images\support_oxygen_32.png). Repeating uninstall does nothing more.
03:46:14 <JohnTHaller> The only time that happens is if the file is locked (in which case we can't do anything else). This can happen due to something else locking it (possibly an image indexer) or corruption. Try deleting the file yourself?
03:48:08 <ChrisMorgan> That has worked properly. There are no handles on any of the files.
03:48:26 <ChrisMorgan> I checked that - and precisely what it was seemed to be fairly random.
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03:51:19 <JohnTHaller> lemme know if you find out more, i must sleep for now
03:51:35 <solanus> Hi, good night John!
03:53:32 <ChrisMorgan> Goodnight
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03:56:14 <solanus> So, what's shaking?
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03:56:35 <GizmoBot> dbdii407 is Dave, Owner of the ScrapIRC Network.
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03:59:42 <solanus> Scrap IRC - never been, but looks interesting.
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06:03:07 <auscompgeek> We need a GNU Emacs Portable.
06:06:00 <auscompgeek> 'Nuff said.
06:11:08 <ChrisMorgan> auscompgeek: but we have gVim Portable.
06:11:10 <ChrisMorgan> ;-)
06:12:41 <ChrisMorgan> Because Emacs was installed on the Uni computers, I tried it briefly (in Windows). It felt horrible and just /old/ in its UI, compared to Vim, and I got lost in its tutorial file (meaning going up, down, somewhere - not lost in instructions but literally lost in the file!)
06:13:32 <auscompgeek> Oh I see.
06:13:50 <auscompgeek> True, Vim may be better than Emacs.
06:14:12 <auscompgeek> I actually agree with you there.
06:14:26 * auscompgeek also hates the extra console window
06:14:56 <auscompgeek> It feels a bit too redundant.
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06:40:32 <ChrisMorgan> I didn't see any extra console window the time I used emacs. Probably due to the way it was started in that instance.
06:42:01 <ChrisMorgan> I think one likes Vim, Emacs, an IDE like Eclipse, or a simple text editor of some sort. Vim and Emacs fans love to hate one another, but they unite against the IDEs (in which judgement I quite agree - Eclipse is just useless as a text editor, nowhere near as powerful or usable as Vim...), and tend to permit users of other text editors like Notepad++.
07:10:52 <auscompgeek> Heh.
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07:57:41 <dboki89> .
08:05:12 <auscompgeek> ..
08:12:26 <dboki89> auscompgeek: I was "activating" GizmoBot (or rather letting him notice me). That's why I posted my dot... I know, was too lazy to PM the bot :)
08:27:45 <auscompgeek> ah
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10:01:38 <pa_2132> hello. I'm having trouble launching any portable app today. they keep getting corrupted
10:01:53 <pa_2132> I switched flash disks but nothing changed
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10:04:31 <pa_2132> when I try to run another one, I get an error message saying only part of a readprocessmemory or a writeporcessmemory was requested
10:09:43 <pa_2132> help: hello. I'm having trouble launching any portable app today. they keep getting corrupted, when I try to run one or two, I get an error message saying only part of a readprocessmemory or a writeprocessmemory was requested
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12:17:37 <pa_0533> help: my portbale apps aren't launching
12:18:23 <pa_0533> @ChrisMorgan my portbale apps aren't launching
12:18:44 <pa_0533> what troubleshooting tips do you have?
12:19:03 <ChrisMorgan> pa_0533: what do you mean, they're not launching? What have you installed, and how are you trying to launch them?
12:19:40 <pa_0533> I tried to click them as usual but they failed to launch
12:19:50 <pa_0533> for example
12:20:10 <pa_0533> the firefoxportable process shows up in taskmanger for a second then goes off
12:20:25 <pa_0533> that is after I click its icon
12:21:44 <ChrisMorgan> So they were working eariler, but now they're not?
12:21:50 <pa_0533> yes
12:22:04 <ChrisMorgan> Has any software been installed recently on the computer?
12:22:09 <pa_0533> I uninstlled the antiviruus and installed a new one
12:22:18 <pa_0533> but the problem persisted
12:22:29 <ChrisMorgan> Are you running from a USB disk?
12:22:32 <pa_0533> I recently installed a JAva update
12:22:37 <pa_0533> yes
12:22:42 <pa_0533> from a sub disk
12:22:46 <pa_0533> usb disk
12:24:23 <ChrisMorgan> Corruption of some data on the disk is one possible cause... try checking the disk for errors: right click on the drive icon in Windows Explorer, click Properties, go to the Tools tab, click on "check disk for errors" or some such button.
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12:26:02 <pa_8337> @ chrismorgan my connection went off slightly. we were talking about my portable apps that don't launch
12:26:18 <ChrisMorgan> You may have missed this line: "Corruption of some data on the disk is one possible cause... try checking the disk for errors: right click on the drive icon in Windows Explorer, click Properties, go to the Tools tab, click on "check disk for errors" or some such button."
12:26:55 <pa_8337> I did that for the usb and the c: drive as well
12:27:13 <pa_8337> teh usb is a few hour old but the one I had before also had the same issues
12:27:18 <ChrisMorgan> And no issues showed up?
12:27:28 <pa_8337> there were a few issues
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12:27:39 <ChrisMorgan> Corruption of some sort?
12:27:39 <pa_8337> they were coreected,
12:27:44 <pa_8337> yes
12:28:21 <ChrisMorgan> OK then, that will generally still mess things up. Reinstall Firefox Portable and any other apps which aren't working; it won't damage the data if it's still intact, it'll just reinstall the app part.
12:28:55 <ChrisMorgan> If you've ever pulled out the USB disk without using the "Safely remove drive" feature, don't do that. That's one of the biggest causes of corruption.
12:29:20 <pa_8337> ok. although I have tried that over and over today but I'll try it one last time and let you know what happens
12:29:34 <pa_8337> I never do that
12:29:41 <ChrisMorgan> Good
12:30:21 <pa_8337> I aslo got this error earlier: "only part of a readprocessmemory or a writeprocessmemory was requested"
12:31:11 <ChrisMorgan> If you've tried that then the Data directory is probably corrupted and is breaking Firefox Portable early on or Firefox when it tries to load the profile; delete the FirefoxPortable\Data directory (you will lose your profile, you may wish to just rename it so you can try putting it back together afterwards bit by bit) and try again.
12:31:26 <pa_8337> I have jsut finished runniing the chkdsk cmd... I'm reinstalling down
12:33:07 <pa_8337> I've decided to try poprtable opera first.....
12:33:54 <pa_8337> nothing is happening
12:34:06 <pa_8337> I'm re-downloading firefox
12:38:58 <ChrisMorgan> It sounds to me like there may be something weird happening with your disk.
12:39:21 <ChrisMorgan> Oh, the USB port could also be dodgy - try a different port if you can.
12:39:34 <ChrisMorgan> Also try installing them to the local disk and running them there and see if it works. Then copy them to the USB disk and see if they work.
12:39:34 <pa_8337> ok
12:40:05 <pa_8337> let me try another one
12:40:19 <pa_8337> one thing of note I might add is that CCleaner portable and free download manager portable were working fine
12:40:57 <pa_8337> installing firefox now
12:41:38 <ChrisMorgan> Well, if the USB port or disk is at fault, it's more likely to trip an app like Firefox up - it's reported that if you pull out the USB disk while Firefox is running it'll generally crash almost immediately.
12:42:48 <pa_8337> fierfox failed to launch again
12:43:03 <pa_8337> the process showed up a bi tth en went off on tis own
12:43:48 <pa_8337> let me try restartign the pc and get back to you
12:43:57 <pa_8337> uner this same user id
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13:01:46 <ChrisMorgan> Goodnight. If he comes back, someone help him. Weird issue, though, could be hard to troubleshoot.
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16:40:59 <sda> how many apps can be safely installed in the app center at once?
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18:54:45 <ZachThibeau> howdy markomlm
18:55:42 <markomlm> howdy ZachThibeau
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22:02:23 <ZachThibeau> howdy John and Chris
22:03:08 <ChrisMorgan> Hey ZachThibeau
22:03:38 <JohnTHaller> hola
22:03:59 <ZachThibeau> some great headway on PChat 2.0 has been made :)
22:04:10 <JohnTHaller> cool
22:04:46 <ZachThibeau> so far it now can connect, join channels, you can chat inclient now, and the next thing is implimenting the rest of the user interface
22:05:38 <ZachThibeau> I'm thinking for version 2.1 (still got to think of future versions :P) I'm thinking of implimenting adium themes support (empathy and modified versions of Pidgin support it)
22:08:45 <ZachThibeau> so some modernization for PChat 2.0 and 2.1 will have more when we get adium themes implimented
22:08:56 <JohnTHaller> nice
22:09:50 <ChrisMorgan> Again, the Sweet Home 3D has misunderstood something major... he's taken the deprecation of Java in Mac to mean that it won't be available in Lion, so he's started a project to port Swing and AWT for OpenJDK which is currently crippled...
22:10:27 <ChrisMorgan> Side-note: seeing as nothing has happened with the thread in their forums, I'm dropping Sweet Home 3D Portable.
22:11:15 <JohnTHaller> You have a direct email for him?
22:11:33 <ChrisMorgan> info@eteks.com
22:12:32 <JohnTHaller> Had any more contact with him outside the forum?
22:13:10 <ChrisMorgan> No. After I posted in the forum he emailed back shortly afterwards saying he'd just been having to think about it, so now he'd do it in the forum.
22:13:55 <JohnTHaller> Maybe ping him via email before giving up on it.
22:14:39 <ChrisMorgan> I don't think it's worth it. His misunderstanding of what it all should be is just too enormous, I think.
22:14:53 <JohnTHaller> Want me to try?
22:15:22 <JohnTHaller> Or you think we could just change the name since it is open source?
22:15:44 <ChrisMorgan> I think that would get him even more riled about it.
22:15:57 <ChrisMorgan> Besides which, what would you change the name to? :P
22:16:09 <JohnTHaller> It is GPLed, no? And he already told us we *had* to call it something else, right?
22:16:12 <ChrisMorgan> If you wish to email him it could be nice, but I doubt you'd have success.
22:16:42 <ChrisMorgan> What he's saying occasionally doesn't seem to make sense with what he's said before.
22:16:55 <JohnTHaller> Hmm
22:17:12 <ChrisMorgan> It is GPL (and he wants all users to know it even if they don't need to...)
22:17:36 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, some people don't get that it isn't really an EULA
22:17:46 <ChrisMorgan> And by another name, I'm not sure quite what he meant. WinPenPack seemed to get away with X-SweetHome3D.
22:18:05 <ChrisMorgan> Isn't really? Isn't at all! It explicitly says you don't need to agree with it.
22:18:06 <JohnTHaller> I think he just never bothered to go after them
22:18:49 <ChrisMorgan> No idea.
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