IRC Log from 2010-10-27
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00:31:44 <ChrisMorgan> :-( Firefox is crashing, and testing various combinations of tabs I've come to the conclusion that it's nodes at portableapps.com which are killing it.
00:32:12 <ChrisMorgan> The crash was at js_ConcatStrings, after upgrading the build it's in Decompile... Bugzilla time.
00:38:42 <ChrisMorgan> JSD again. Disabling Firebug fixes it.
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01:16:10 <Pyromaniac> Hey john, got a sec?
01:16:27 <Pyromaniac> errr JohnTHaller read above
01:19:38 <ChrisMorgan> Pyromaniac: how do you feel about the idea of doing testing rather than new development?
01:20:14 <Pyromaniac> i was going to talk to you about that ChrisMorgan but I saw JohnTHaller and saw this as a cannot-miss opportunity
01:20:47 <Pyromaniac> but do you mean testing my own apps?
01:20:49 <ChrisMorgan> He was active three hours ago. May be away at the moment.
01:20:55 <Pyromaniac> :(
01:20:58 <ChrisMorgan> I meant more testing other people's apps
01:21:44 <Pyromaniac> oh, I don't know. I'm just one of those testers that downloads and only gives feedback if the app doesn't work or something. I don't do like regshots and stuff
01:22:05 <Pyromaniac> And most of the apps I have have been in the beta forums for years now
01:22:31 <Pyromaniac> Such as RegShot Portable or HM NIS Edit Portable
01:22:33 <ChrisMorgan> You mean you used to. Since then you've started being a developer yourself. I think you could be a better tester now than you could before.
01:22:57 <ChrisMorgan> Scribus, Speccy, Fyre, Maxima and wxDev-C++ are the ones I've got on my list to do at the moment.
01:23:14 <Pyromaniac> I haven't tried any of em
01:23:35 <Pyromaniac> How about Game Booster?
01:24:13 <Pyromaniac> That's the one I'm feelin really good about
01:24:57 <Pyromaniac> oh and SuperTuxCart
01:26:54 <ChrisMorgan> Game Booster sounds like it could be interesting. Wonder how safe it is.
01:27:00 <ChrisMorgan> SuperTuxKart would be a good one.
01:27:44 <Pyromaniac> You mean like safe as in damaging your computer or like malware?
01:28:19 <Pyromaniac> I think it does something similar to hibernating ("Live hibernation" for the lack of a good term)
01:29:02 <ChrisMorgan> I mean safe as in breaking things - in particular, what happens in corner cases like putting the system in standby, or crashing the program, or if the disk it's on is removed from underneath it.
01:29:34 <Pyromaniac> O_o good question
01:30:04 <ChrisMorgan> It sounds like it just stops the processes and that sort of thing, so restarting the system would fix it. But still... that would not be friendly.
01:30:42 <Pyromaniac> I have accidentally hibernated my computer while it was still running and I was able to go "back to normal mode"
01:31:32 <Pyromaniac> but removing the flash drive... I'll try that with my 256 MB
01:31:39 <Pyromaniac> *at home
01:31:58 <ChrisMorgan> I've put it on my list though, so I'll see how well it behaves.
01:33:15 <Pyromaniac> Ok, thanks
01:34:37 <Pyromaniac> There is a new 2.0 Beta 2 which I should be releasing Sunday
01:35:09 <ChrisMorgan> I don't expect I'll get to it before then. I confess, all the others are higher on my list at the moment.
01:35:35 <ChrisMorgan> And I've got exams to do as well, so I probably won't get to doing all of those for a month or so.
01:35:42 <ChrisMorgan> I'll reshuffle things as I have time though.
01:37:28 <Pyromaniac> oh, don't worry... I have a question for you... Since your summer is at a different time of year, does that mean school is almost out for summer vacation for you?
01:38:46 <ChrisMorgan> Public schools (except year 12) finish approximately a week before Christmas. Year 12 has started final exams, they finish almost now. Uni has finished except exams (which start on Friday).
01:45:21 <Pyromaniac> well, I gotta go.
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02:10:12 <JohnTHaller> back
02:16:45 <JohnTHaller> sry, been offline more than planned and unable to get the new releases out today. long day of vet and unexpected stuff. new releases will resume tomorrow with Geany, Mixx, and more
02:17:15 <JacobMastel> JohnTHaller: Have you heard anything on Spicebird? I had completely forgotten about it then I saw the post in the forums... Is it dead or just half developing?
02:17:56 <JohnTHaller> Dunno. They did one release back in June. I'm unsure if they are keeping pace with TB security patches, though. And I believe they were thinking 1.0 for an official portable release.
02:18:47 <JacobMastel> Seems like it has promise... Well then again so does Instantbird and they aren't really going anywhere fast either :P
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02:35:35 <JohnTHaller> need sleep, gnight all
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03:45:17 <pa_5222> Hi everybody. =)
03:45:35 <ChrisMorgan> Hey pa_5222
03:45:46 <pa_5222> Would like to ask a question if I may?
03:45:58 <ChrisMorgan> Please don't ask to ask - just ask.
03:46:13 <pa_5222> How can I update portable apps in the suite?
03:46:53 <ChrisMorgan> You can just install new versions over the top and it'll upgrade them.
03:47:04 <pa_5222> I just tried it with thunderbird and he asks me to restart. I press 'restart' but next time I start the program nothing has changed. Same problem with Addons I can't install.
03:47:05 <ChrisMorgan> Or, use the beta release and it has an updater.
03:48:23 <ChrisMorgan> Try using the release from us rather than the one Thunderbird offers; if something is messed up in the app (but not the data) that will fix it.
03:48:53 <pa_5222> Just yours.
03:49:06 <pa_5222> Sorry, meant, used ours
03:49:11 <pa_5222> damn it.
03:49:15 <pa_5222> Used yours so. =)
03:49:27 <ChrisMorgan> OK then, most likely there's something wrong with your profile.
03:52:25 <ChrisMorgan> It's also possible (though less likely) that there's some corruption on the disk; if you can check the disk for errors you could confirm that one way or the other.
03:53:44 <pa_5222> Okay, I will do that. =)
03:53:51 <pa_5222> Thx a lot already.
03:53:59 <pa_5222> Bye. =)
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11:07:55 <pa_8795> @ChrisMorgan I've noticed that firefoxportable.ini has these lines DisableSplashScreen=true AllowMultipleInstances=false DisableIntelligentStart=false SkipCompregFix=false
11:08:09 <pa_8795> Is it possible to add these for operaportable too?
11:08:29 <pa_8795> or would it not make sense?
11:16:18 <pa_8795> anyone there?
11:16:28 <sar3th> hi pa_8795
11:16:40 <sar3th> your bestbet is to try it out
11:17:01 <sar3th> it depends on the launcher
11:17:15 <pa_8795> I think I will try it out nd see what happens
11:17:34 <sar3th> that's the easiest way, just see if it works :)
11:17:58 <pa_8795> the reason I had this qn was because Iwas wondering why the author of operaortable didn't ad it there in teh first place
11:18:31 <sar3th> as far as i know, they are not officially supported/endorsed
11:19:49 <pa_8795> who are not officially endorsed?
11:21:02 <pa_8795> opera has "endorsed" this portable version the best they can without officially adding it to their products
11:21:17 <sar3th> i meant the ini parameters
11:22:09 <pa_8795> ok
11:22:23 <pa_8795> sorry, I thought u meant the app itself
11:22:31 <sar3th> no :)
11:24:19 <pa_8795> ok :) let me go try it out
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11:53:04 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: FYI, DisableIntelligentStart and SkipCompregFix in FIrefox should never be used and are only semi-functional (if that), DisableSplashScreen and AdditionalParameters are built in to the PortableApps.com Launcher which Opera uses. It's all mentioned in Other\Source\Readme.txt as normal.
12:10:31 <sar3th> ah, forgot about Other\Source\Readme
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16:38:39 <k4r4mb4> Do you know that enchant dll that it is used by pidgin for spellchecking leaves traces in application folder in windows?This does not make the pidgin portable.
16:40:12 <k4r4mb4> It creates its own folder and stores emply files files of the dictionaries that are installed for spell checking in pidgin.The file names are the same as the dictionaries installed, but the are all 0 bytes
17:05:14 <ZachThibeau> shouldn't be too hard to fix, with PChat I finally implimented spell check in that, and I came across that, iirc there is an environmental variable that could be used to redirect that built into enchant, once I get that fixed in PChat Portable I'll send John T Haller my patch to impliment into pidgin
17:05:17 <ZachThibeau> portable
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18:16:32 <OliverK> hola
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18:43:10 <NickD> hi guys
18:43:27 <NickD> i have a problem that i want to solve
18:44:10 <NickD> anyone?
18:44:33 <OliverK> state the problem
18:44:48 <OliverK> that's how it works with IRC. you state the problem and if somebody knows, then we'll answer
18:46:14 <NickD> i have a few portablefirefox installations and I want to run them simultaneously
18:46:58 <NickD> i read here [ http://www.portablefreeware.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=27253 ] about how to do it, but i saw that there are some dissadvantages
18:47:22 <NickD> i did not understand well what john wrote there...
18:49:39 <NickD> how can i run 2 portable firefox apps at the same time with no side effects?
18:51:09 <Gizmokid2005> You can't NickD
18:51:14 <Gizmokid2005> there's no way around the side effects.
18:53:51 <NickD> can you explain me which are these side effects?
18:54:22 <NickD> i did not understand very well what john said in that topic about these side effecs
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18:56:31 <ZachThibeau> partly you settings won't get saved properly and be left on your host computer not your flash drive
18:57:15 <ZachThibeau> that is what he is saying
18:57:47 <NickD> where would tehy be saved?
18:57:53 <NickD> *they
18:58:10 <NickD> in docs and settings?
18:59:03 <ZachThibeau> no it the application data directory which is a hidden folder on all computers running windows that nearly all apps write too for settings if you aren't using the portable version
19:00:25 <ZachThibeau> it's best to not use multiple profiles for firefox portable
19:01:27 <NickD> can you tell me why couldn't they develop it with multiple instances ability? what was the problem?
19:01:52 <NickD> afterall they added that popup for a reason
19:02:10 <NickD> i can't find that reason, since profiles are kept separate
19:02:22 <NickD> settings are also kept separate
19:02:39 <ZachThibeau> for the desktop version, the way we make the portable version only handles 1 profile at a time, it's just a limitation to the scripting language for the firefox portable launcher
19:03:57 <NickD> i see
19:05:10 <NickD> my working scenario is a bit different.....i don't use them on a flashdrive...i just have a few PFF apps installed on my hdd, each one with it's own folder....and I'd really benefit from running some of them in parallel sometimes
19:05:38 <NickD> is there anything that i could do?
19:06:02 <ZachThibeau> to quote <Gizmokid2005> You can't NickD
19:06:31 <NickD> i have to
19:06:35 <NickD> i need this...
19:07:07 <NickD> so if i'd use that allowmultipleinstances=true command....what's the worst that could happen?
19:07:21 <ZachThibeau> the worst was already stated
19:07:24 <Gizmokid2005> you might wind up with profile corruption
19:07:42 <Gizmokid2005> and definitely files not being handled like they should be causing issues/corruption with the local installation of firefox.
19:07:48 <Gizmokid2005> or it might flat out just not work
19:07:51 <ZachThibeau> or worse your desktop firefox profile overriten by firefox portable's profile
19:08:05 <NickD> i don't have a desktop firefox
19:08:13 <NickD> i only have portable firefoxes
19:08:34 <NickD> 5 portable firefox installations
19:09:14 <k4r4mb4> just use different versions of portable firefox.i think this will do the trick
19:09:43 <k4r4mb4> I'm trying to find out where are the older versions of portable firefox.Any help?
19:10:11 <NickD> any chance that this feature will be written on the " to do" list?
19:11:06 <ZachThibeau> most probably not
19:11:26 <ZachThibeau> but the future is always in motion so it's not set in stone
19:14:26 <NickD> k4r4mb4 i'll try to find some older versions(i believe i have some on a secondary PC), but i don't want to risk any profile corruption at all
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19:16:58 <k4r4mb4> well then use vm machines to test it out
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19:28:59 <pa_3333> help!
19:28:59 <GizmoBot> pa_3333: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
19:30:39 <pa_3333> is there a link where it allows me to download "all" the freeware programs from the application menu?or I just have to click each link and download individually?
19:31:28 <Gizmokid2005> pa_3333: there will be an application to do that in the menu in the future, but as of right now you have to download the apps you want manually.
19:32:54 <pa_3333> would you possibly know when that might be? I mean like spring or fall 2011...
19:33:42 <Gizmokid2005> pa_3333: nope. Nobody really knows, but my best guess would be more likely than not, before Spring of '11
19:34:36 <pa_3333> that is too bad can't be soon enough...but thank you for the info & help
19:34:41 <Gizmokid2005> You're welcome
19:34:45 <Gizmokid2005> just keep your eye out on the forums
19:34:55 <pa_3333> hmm...ok
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19:35:30 <Gizmokid2005> it's supposed to be included in 2.0
19:35:35 <Gizmokid2005> well...alllrighty then. Cya!
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20:26:42 <JacobMastel> @moderators: potential spam http://portableapps.com/node/25403
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20:36:02 <ZachThibeau> JacobMastel: no potential, looking at the profile says it all for me
20:36:13 <ZachThibeau> it is spam as far as I'm concerned
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20:36:42 <JacobMastel> Well yeah :P
20:37:09 <JacobMastel> I was trying to salvage my current, incredibly low opinion of humanity :P
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22:48:23 <sar3th> pretty silent day today
22:51:23 <dboki89> don't blame me, I just came here... :)
22:51:32 <sar3th> no worries
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