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01:48:18 <X555> hi i dl the exe and run it.. am i to install to my local drive or directly to the usb? cause im getting errors
01:48:54 <ChrisMorgan> Install it to your USB disk.
01:49:39 <X555> yer just tried again
01:49:42 <X555> another error
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01:54:20 <ChrisMorgan> What is the error?
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01:54:57 <X555> im trying a different usb drive.. is going well so far
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02:02:55 <X555> now i can plug this usb in any computer and use a browser to surf anon ?
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02:14:44 <X555> works fine
02:14:45 <X555> thx
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02:16:05 <ZachThibeau> you're welcome?
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15:44:47 <agdurrette> http://g33k.me/chat/logs/%23keryx/ <logs :D
15:45:20 <agdurrette> ummm wrong channel
15:45:24 <ZachThibeau> yeah
16:02:39 <agdurrette> im using http://portableapps.com/support/chat/live its quite different from pchat
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17:08:30 <dboki89> ZachT|AFK: um, SPAM? --> http://portableapps.com/node/15583?page=3#comment-163919
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17:22:38 <ZachThibeau> dboki89: when I'm afk that means I'm not at the computer at this moment. I'm back yes and it seems to be taken care of already
17:26:01 <dboki89> ZachThibeau: ok. I just thought you might not really be A in the AFK :p
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17:27:34 <ZachThibeau> all I'm willing to say is that today I'm not feeling to great today, cold has me running to the shower (body temperature not so great too :/)
17:27:49 <dboki89> oh.. :(
17:27:52 <dboki89> sorry to hear that
17:28:07 <dboki89> I hope you get well soon :D
17:28:19 <ZachThibeau> first time being sick in 2 years like this though so it's a new record for me :P
17:28:58 <dboki89> 2 years? ah, but then no wonder it hit you so bad, your out of shape :p /joke
17:29:11 <ZachThibeau> there was a time of my life where my immune system wasn't strong it's getting better though :P
17:29:34 <ZachThibeau> I'll have it beat by tonight :P
17:29:36 <dboki89> I'm a bit sick atm as well, but it's always an easy cold for me :)
17:30:07 <dboki89> for me, just some vitamine C, hot tea and hot chocolate do the trick :) try it :)
17:31:10 <ZachThibeau> for me hot soak in the tub (slowly increasing the temperature every 10 minutes) and sone coffee, 2 advil and vitamin c does the trick for me
17:32:08 <ZachThibeau> anyways I saw the signs of this cold coming, my legs start hurting even when my body feels fine, I take 2 advil and I'm ok, this time I choose to ignore my early warning system :/
17:34:55 <dboki89> you know what's the funny part with (you) geeks? No matter how cold/sick/beaten you are, you always seem to be online... Even if getting to a PC means almost wasting the last remnants of your energy... :P Amazing
17:35:36 <ZachThibeau> who said I'm at a desk :P
17:35:52 <ZachThibeau> using the family laptop
17:36:30 <dboki89> I have a friend who's a programmer, and he was online chatting while having temperature of over 40 degrees Centigrade
17:36:36 <dboki89> I couldn't believe it
17:36:48 <dboki89> ah, the good old laptops :)
17:37:30 <ZachThibeau> I've been there one year, had strep throught
17:38:31 <dboki89> oh. I never had over 39. thank goodness
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17:51:31 <ZachT|AFK> be back in 15
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17:53:38 <dboki89> don't worry, I'm not gonna bother a man on sick leave. you just get well
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18:36:00 <Gringoloco> Good day all
18:37:19 <dboki89> good day to you, Gringoloco. How's life?
18:37:51 <Gringoloco> it's ok, slowly everything is getting done :)
18:38:12 <Gringoloco> You ?
18:38:57 <dboki89> that's good. Although, you're well into cold weather already.. hope all necessary stuf is finished before winter :)
18:38:59 <dboki89> I'm fine
18:39:17 <dboki89> life's been hectic for me the last week
18:39:59 <dboki89> fortunatelly, after (literally) sleeping through the entire weekend, I got back into action this week :D
18:40:46 <Gringoloco> It's actually warm again, they call it the gipsy-summer
18:40:56 <dboki89> and on top of having quite a bunch of things to do, I'm a bit sick.
18:41:18 <dboki89> ah, yea, the warm last 7days helped my cold :)
18:41:31 <Gringoloco> you and ZachT :)
18:41:36 <Gringoloco> aai :(
18:41:49 <dboki89> yea, but mine has already passed for the most part :)
18:42:57 <dboki89> I got hit worst on Friday, and thatwas the day I had to spend 6hrs on a bus (traveled there and back, 3hours journey)
18:43:18 <dboki89> fortunatelly, it was quite warm that day :D Helped a lot
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19:29:23 <benedikt93> Gringoloco, I think you got some links messed up here: http://portableapps.com/node/25529#comment-163932
19:30:17 <Gringoloco> aai, thats pointing to my hard-drive
19:30:20 <Gringoloco> :P
19:32:26 <Gringoloco> They worked for me :P
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20:26:11 <Simeon> hi all
20:26:29 <ZachThibeau> howdy Simeon
20:26:34 <Simeon> Hi Zach
20:27:21 <ZachThibeau> trying out rockmelt and seeing what all the fuss is about
20:27:29 <Simeon> I started my personal to-do (=apps to get released) list. Ill ping you to get them added once I am finished testing
20:27:36 <Simeon> how is it?
20:27:49 <ZachThibeau> sure thing and I don't know installing it now
20:28:26 <Simeon> Rockmelt was the "Hi INternet, I am Jack"-guy wasnt it?
20:28:34 <Simeon> or whatever his name was
20:28:36 <ZachThibeau> yeah
20:29:12 <ZachThibeau> and oh look it's requiring access to facebook on startup lol
20:29:34 <ZachThibeau> couldn't log in xD
20:29:52 <Simeon> I read about that
20:31:17 <ZachThibeau> ok worked second time, time to explore
20:33:21 <Simeon> If youre interested, heres my list: OpenYahtzee, EarthClock, BestPractice, Fotografix, Icebreaker, Marble, MuseScore, PoEdit, Tipp10, Wormux, WinDjView, UltraStar Deluxe
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20:57:02 <ChrisMorgan> Full channel.
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20:59:57 <dboki89> spoke to soon :p
21:01:28 <ChrisMorgan> Still fuller than it normally is
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21:09:30 <Gringoloco> I could go, if you think it's too full ;)
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21:13:06 <Simeon> HI Chris :)
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21:34:17 <ChrisMorgan> Hey Simeon
21:35:04 <Simeon> Hi. D'you read the logs? I started my personal to-do (=apps to get released) list.
21:35:43 <ChrisMorgan> I do when I know there's something to get from them, and I do if I'm away for a few days, but other than that not often.
21:36:36 <Simeon> I mad my own little list with apps to test and put PoEdit on it. If you have the time you could update it to the latest version :)
21:37:54 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, I have that on my list of things to do, possibly next week.
21:47:28 <dboki89> oh, oh *jumps up excited and waves his hand* --> Simeon, I see IceBreakerPortable is on your list...
21:48:54 <dboki89> I suggest testing that one first. It's as simple as they get! Needs just a little brushing up with PAF (I think settings are saved to Data\settings), but it's portabilisation was just a matter of moving 2 files to App and back
21:49:23 <ChrisMorgan> I see you've got WinDjView on that list; I was extremely surprised when I set up stats on my server again to find that WinDjView is my most popular app by downloads at the moment.
21:51:01 * ChrisMorgan looks to see what his PAF validator will say about it
21:52:24 <Simeon> I play IceBreaker a lot and as people keep suggesting games... :)
21:52:55 <ChrisMorgan> Some issues. Errors: AppId instead of AppID; Warnings: App/readme.txt missing, PortableApps.comFormat Version 0.91 -> 2.0; Info: PAL not used [it's CPALT vintage], appicon_128.png not used.
21:53:24 <Simeon> Whats supposed to be in App/readme.txt?
21:53:38 <ChrisMorgan> It's the thing saying "don't touch this".
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21:53:53 <Simeon> but its not in the Spec!
21:53:57 <Simeon> :)
21:54:06 <ChrisMorgan> That's why it's a warning rather than an error.
21:54:31 <Simeon> ah
21:54:35 <ChrisMorgan> Meaning, with this utility, if you try to build the installer, it'll warn you and you can ignore the warning, but if it were an error you can't build it.
21:54:45 <dboki89> ChrisMorgan: you're talking about WinDjView, right? IceBreaker was made using PAL and has App\readme.txt
21:54:50 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah.
21:55:02 <ChrisMorgan> Almost all of our official apps have it; if the validator had detected that it used PAL, it would have made that an error because it's in the PAL app template.
21:56:01 <ChrisMorgan> Same with the stuff in Other\Source\Images; if missing, without PAL they're warnings, with PAL they're errors.
21:59:05 <ChrisMorgan> So I think I need to update WinDjView, Code::Blocks and Poedit. This month I've had 105 of WinDjView, 103 of Code::Blocks (it's catching up, was further behind), 73 of GanttProject, 70 of Data Crow and 29 of Poedit - I think /we/ like Poedit more but I think the others are probably more useful to get released. Those that will use Poedit are more likely to find it whether released or not.
21:59:43 <dboki89> Automating the process. That's good. :) Is that validator a non-published project of your own?
22:00:08 <ChrisMorgan> ... and 35 downloads of /launcher/manual/examples/ ("apps using PAL") ;-)
22:00:18 <ChrisMorgan> dboki89: yep, I think I'm almost ready for an alpha release.
22:00:37 <Simeon> so maybe Poedit isnt as important...
22:00:40 <dboki89> that's cool
22:01:49 <ChrisMorgan> Mind you, it's not just validation it does... it can create packages, build installers (even in Linux!), it's got a nice interface for appinfo.ini editing, with lots of other features planned too.
22:03:05 <ChrisMorgan> I have it check if sys.platform != 'win32', and if that's the case it feeds the package path through winepath - the installer will still be run with the Linux path, but it will expect a Windows path for the package to build.
22:03:40 <ChrisMorgan> Because, of course, I've done all my development with this utility (except for testing on Windows) on Linux.
22:04:28 <dboki89> is that the "development kit" you were mentioning before? I think remember seeing some screenshots a few months ago, before I went "on vacation", and that you wereworking on some kind of "development kit" (besides PAL)
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22:05:00 <dboki89> did I get it wrong or confused with something else?...
22:06:13 <ChrisMorgan> That was it.
22:06:42 <dboki89> ah, cool! It reached alpha.. Congrats :D
22:10:36 <ChrisMorgan> Almost.
22:10:42 <ChrisMorgan> It's changed a little from how it looked back then at http://chrismorgan.info/temp/development-toolkit-001.png
22:11:24 <ChrisMorgan> Just generated a few more screenshots for you: http://chrismorgan.info/temp/development-toolkit-002.png http://chrismorgan.info/temp/development-toolkit-003.png http://chrismorgan.info/temp/development-toolkit-004.png
22:14:52 <dboki89> sorry, was AFK for a moment.. Looks really great. That first pic is what I think I've seen before.
22:15:56 <dboki89> Looks nice. Like it already :) One question though, in pic development-toolkit-003.png, why is that "source" displayed in the bottom half?
22:17:13 <ChrisMorgan> For easy pasting into the forums.
22:17:19 <ChrisMorgan> In a neat style.
22:17:28 <dboki89> ah, makes sense :)
22:18:46 <ChrisMorgan> If I get the Installer wizard replaced with this utility, I could make it skip that, as it could be guaranteed to have no errors (and even no warnings, if we wanted). But it's not ready for that yet by a long shot.
22:19:28 <ChrisMorgan> Though rewriting the wizard in Python will be very straightforward.
22:20:03 <dboki89> hm. if/when "editing details", did you make it count (and limit) characters in Description field? (more questions; your fault for showing those screenshots ;)
22:20:46 <ChrisMorgan> Naturally. The validator also marks an error for > 512 characters and warns for > 150.
22:21:18 <dboki89> darn. I was sure you missed that one... :P
22:21:25 <dboki89> good job
22:24:27 <ChrisMorgan> When you open the details panel on one with > 512, it trims it at 512 characters.
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22:32:57 <Simeon> Looks great Chris!
22:33:08 <Simeon> Is it written in Python or not yet
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22:40:57 <Simeon> gnight all
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22:46:55 <ChrisMorgan> Simeon: in case /you/ read the logs, yes, it most certainly is in Python. What else? To be specific, it works with PyQt4 or PySide (auto-selects!). 8MB built with PyQt4 with py2exe and compacted.
22:47:53 <ChrisMorgan> Same functionality between PyQt4 and PySide, except the AppID validator (disallowing invalid characters) is disabled in PySide due to a nasty bug in calling QValidator which causes a segfault (fixed today, will be in the next release).
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