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04:08:52 <JohnTHaller> hola
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06:36:43 <tester_> oh...
06:36:53 <tester_> WHOIS?
06:36:56 <tester_> Who is?
06:37:20 <tester_> fucccccccccccccccccccccccccccu
06:37:40 <tester_> d
06:37:42 <tester_> ㄷㄷㄷ
06:37:46 <tester_> 왓더뻑
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06:38:30 <OliverK|Away> okay, that was weird
07:14:22 <auscompgeek> very weird
07:14:45 <auscompgeek> I have had enough of random Chinese/Japanese characters for now.
07:14:55 <OliverK|Away> haha
07:15:05 <OliverK|Away> yeah, they just rendered as boxes for me
07:15:12 <OliverK|Away> very annoying
07:15:27 <OliverK|Away> don't know what he wants
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14:24:45 <Feliks> hi
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14:25:44 <dboki89> Hi Feliks, how may we help you? | Disclaimer: I'm not a PortableApps developer, just a user like yourself
14:27:10 <Feliks> may you know the categorizer (http://portableapps.com/node/8091) - i tried to use it with one of the new Platforms (1.6 and 2.0 Beta5) and it doesn't work really. Is there any other way to get that categories?
14:28:53 <dboki89> Feliks: this might be the reason --> "Aug 10th- Updated to properly handle the 1.1 Beta Menu (as well as 1.0)"
14:29:22 <dboki89> you said it yourself, you're using menu 1.6 and 2.0 beta 5
14:30:05 <dboki89> so that "Categorizer" seems to be quite outdated (originaly posted in 2007)
14:31:10 <Feliks> Do you know another software or trick to do the same in the new Menus?
14:32:09 <dboki89> I must point out that I've never actually used the "Categorizer", just posting my opinion. I don't een know how exactly it "hacks" the PA Platform..
14:32:16 <dboki89> sorry, I don't know of any
14:32:40 <dboki89> but it is supposed to be in the PA Platform itself once it's out of beta
14:34:15 <dboki89> you know, categories is probably the most requested feature (or at least second most requested) :D
14:34:34 <Feliks> So I hope it will be out of beta soon ;) I'm using PortableApps now for a while but now I bought a new stick and I want to make a "perfect" platform for me ;)
14:34:54 <Feliks> And what is the most requested one? ;)
14:35:01 <dboki89> so just try to be patient, and it will "eventually" arriwe :p :) (I hope)
14:35:28 <Feliks> well I also hope that I can change the folder paths when it is out of beta :D
14:35:41 <Feliks> well I try but it's so hard :P
14:35:56 <dboki89> I hope so too. That's been asked for as well
14:36:41 <dboki89> and also, portable file associations, and the updater were pretty requested
14:38:11 <Feliks> Well for the portable file associations there exists a work around but for the categorizer and the folder path I don't know how to manage that now^^
14:40:02 <dboki89> :P you know, there IS a workaround --> (1) try another Menu :P :P or (2) edit the source and recompile (not as easy as it sounds) :P
14:40:32 <dboki89> but I wouldn't recommend either, especially not the latter
14:41:58 <dboki89> the thing with different menus is, I use PStart, many use ASuite and similar, but for the average PA user I think PA Platform is the easiest one
14:42:37 <dboki89> it does all the work for you, while I have to manually add every single app in my PStart
14:42:56 <Feliks> and the most pretty one ;)
14:43:13 <Feliks> well the workaround is the thing with the usbagent from heise
14:43:28 <dboki89> to each his own :P
14:43:36 <Feliks> ^^
14:49:45 <Feliks> Well so I think I start my work with Beta5 and hope for the final one ;)
14:50:55 <Feliks> btw - can I use the Update function of firefox/thunderbird or is this still tricky?
14:52:18 <dboki89> um, I *believe* it's still tricky, but I *know* it's recommended to use PA releases, instead of updating from inside Firefox and Thunderbird
14:53:06 <Feliks> ok
14:53:08 <Feliks> thank you :)
14:53:33 <dboki89> you're welcome :)
14:55:17 <Feliks> Which Client do you prefer - KVIrc or PChat?
14:57:16 <dboki89> PChat
14:57:26 <dboki89> but KVIrc is nice, too :)
14:58:14 <Feliks> Ok so I try Pchat and if i don't like it I'll try KVIrc ;)
14:58:30 <dboki89> he he, so that's why you asked
14:59:36 <Feliks> yeah - i'm new in IRC, still using the Browserclient on portableapps.com ;)
15:00:19 <dboki89> personally, my first impression with KVIrc was "wow, this just looks too fancy for me", but in PChat I fealt pretty much like at home. That's the main reason why I prefer one over the other
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15:02:07 <dboki89> then, there are those small little things PChat does, like the ability to hide/unhide Join/Part messages
15:02:26 <dboki89> KVIrc dpes it as well, but not as neatly
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15:03:14 <Feliks> You look at PChat and it looks a bit like my first linux :D
15:03:55 <dboki89> ahaha :) yes, it is pretty linux-like :)
15:04:22 <Feliks> SuSE 9.3 professional was my first one :D
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15:04:57 <dboki89> Windows 95 was my first one... oh wait, you're talking linux :p
15:05:26 <sar3th> PChat looks like linux because it uses gtk, which originates from linux
15:05:28 <dboki89> I believe the first linux I tried was a Puppy linux distro, can't remember the version
15:06:34 <dboki89> then I used Mint, Ubuntu, BT4 (I only tried that one, I admit I can't really use it to it's potential)
15:07:54 <dboki89> oh, yea, the first linux I tried was Knoppix, but the first one I used was a Puppy
15:08:53 <Feliks> ;)
15:09:11 <Feliks> but now i'm back to windows most the time because of the games^^
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15:10:13 <Felix3> great - it works ;)
15:10:42 <dboki89> Yea, those non-free copyrighted proprietary games. Gotta love them. Gotta use Windows.. :p
15:11:05 <Feliks> so mz PChat works so I'm leaving here and I'm Felix3 now ;)
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15:11:13 <dboki89> OK
15:11:24 <Felix3> yeah I love them :P
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15:12:56 <bassrocks> Any one here?
15:13:02 <Felix3> sure ;)
15:13:08 <Felix3> hi^^
15:13:10 <dboki89> If you have any specific questions about PChat or KVIrc, they both have their own channels here. #pchat and #kvirc. Just keep in mind that the PChat channel is often pretty quiet, and you might have to wait a while for responses
15:13:23 <bassrocks> Hm...perhaps you could help. \
15:13:29 <Felix3> ok ;)
15:13:38 <Felix3> well we can try ;)
15:13:40 <bassrocks> I know I really shouldn't, but I was kinda hoping I could find a quick and simple answer.
15:14:25 <bassrocks> I was exploring a couple weeks ago or something like that and found coding that you could save your desktop picture to your drive and when you started the suite it would load your desktop picture. I can't seam to find it again.
15:15:15 <dboki89> http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#wallpaperswapper
15:15:35 <bassrocks> THANKS!
15:15:44 <dboki89> bassrocks: you're welcome :)
15:15:46 <bassrocks> Now I just kinda find my flasdrive...
15:15:58 <bassrocks> I knew I had seen it but I couldn't find it again!
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15:17:18 <bassrocks> So can we just Idk chat here?
15:17:24 <dboki89> bassrocks: just for future reference, it's under PortableApps > Suite > Support
15:18:05 <Felix3> dboki89: using the update function in platform 2.0 Beta5 is the same stuff as using the Portableapps installer to update Firefox?
15:18:08 <dboki89> this wasn't supposed to be an off-topic channel, it's supposed to be for apps support discussions only... but I'm not qualified to judge
15:18:17 <bassrocks> Ah, ok. I was looking in all the wrong places. Thanks again!
15:19:05 <bassrocks> Does it need to be in the portableapps folder or just in the base area?
15:19:05 <dboki89> Felix3: using the update function (in PAP2.0beta5) will automatically download the latest FFP installer, and run it silently
15:19:15 <Felix3> ok thanks :)
15:19:16 <dboki89> Felix3: so yea, it's the same
15:19:22 <dboki89> you're welcome
15:19:29 <bassrocks> Nvm
15:19:37 <Felix3> so this problem is solved ;)
15:20:35 <bassrocks> I do think so.
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15:23:31 <Felix3> Can I use the same Themes for 2.0 as I used in 1.6_
15:24:03 <Felix3> sorry keyboard layout changed to English ;) Should be this in the end "?" ;)
15:25:22 <dboki89> hm... I think the themes have slightly changed since 1.6, but don't really "hold my word", as my people say
15:26:18 <Felix3> ok ;)
15:26:48 <dboki89> One important thing! When using the PAP2.0beta5 Update function, it will download a version of a program in the language the Platform is set to (if available)
15:27:08 <Felix3> Great so I'll get the German one ;)
15:27:56 <Felix3> it's just funny to look at the Translation file - there you see all the stuff like categorys, changing folder paths and so on^^
15:28:33 <dboki89> ahaha :D yea, been there for quite a while I believe
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15:29:07 <Felix3> I want to see them in the Platform not in the translation file^^
15:29:59 <sar3th> you will need to talk to JohnTHaller than ;)
15:30:13 <sar3th> *then
15:30:46 <Felix3> well I think he does what he can^^ but i hope it will be finished soon ;)
15:37:19 <Felix3> does one of you use the Platform 2?
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15:41:20 <dboki89> Depends what you mean by "use". I use PAP more often than, for example, Windows Notepad... Meaning, just an occasional check for updates, maybe once a week
15:42:06 <dboki89> what I meant was - "use is relative; I use it, but not much"
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15:42:22 <sar3th> yeah, same for me
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15:46:23 <Felix3> ok^^ so in former versions until 1.6 was theApp-Management part of the Options dialogue, but now they made a own Dialogue for it "Manage Apps" but this one doesn't appear in the Tanslationfiles. Do you know how it is called there? Because "manage Apps" doesn't look so pretty in a German Platform ;)
15:47:49 <Felix3> I tried ICON_MANAGE, ICON_MANAGE_APPS and ICON_APPS all these doesn't work
15:47:51 <dboki89> I believe John already said not all options/lines are yet being translated. And he's aware of it, it'll be fixed in a newer beta release
15:47:58 <Felix3> ok
15:48:10 <Felix3> so again: waiting ;D
15:48:22 <Felix3> and hoping :P
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16:03:53 <dboki89> Gotta go now. Bye
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16:52:35 <Felix3> Hi John
16:53:04 <Felix3> how does your great work on platform 2 goes on? ;)
16:53:58 <JohnTHaller> it's a-going. Progressing now that the PA.c Installer update fixing the files left behind issue is out and the same patch is working in the updater.
16:56:29 <Felix3> is it possible that the \PortableApps\PortableApps.com\App\DefaultData\FolderIcons\portableapps.ico is missing in Beta5? I copied it from 1.6 now.
16:56:57 <JohnTHaller> It is missing. It's a bug in the b5 release. It'll be fixed in b6.
16:57:34 <Felix3> fine :)
16:58:28 <Felix3> will the platform itself also beupdated by the new updater?
16:58:59 <JohnTHaller> Yup. Though it may not work as seamlessly as it should from b5 to b6. It should be better after that
17:00:58 <Felix3> ok
17:05:48 <JohnTHaller> Basically b5 to b6, you'll probably have to manually close the platform and updater as things are installing or something similar.
17:06:00 <Felix3> Is the translation part for "Manage Apps" also fixed in B6?
17:07:03 <JohnTHaller> Depends on the language and which ones are ready. There are a lot of new strings in b6 that won't be translated yet as well.
17:10:39 <Felix3> well if the strings are there it is no problem to translate them. But i didn't found a string for "Manage Apps" - not in the German and not in the English one
17:11:31 <JohnTHaller> Some of them don't have translation strings setup yet. I think that's one.
17:11:51 <JohnTHaller> I'm also writing a quick utility to aid in translation so people aren't manually editing INI files.
17:12:42 <Felix3> ok
17:13:20 <Felix3> what do you think how long do you need to publish B6? I just can't wait for that great piece of software ;)
17:15:20 <JohnTHaller> It's done when it's done. :) Soonish...
17:15:50 <Felix3> ok ;) i just love it :D great work :)
17:15:59 <JohnTHaller> Thanks :)
17:21:22 <Felix3> There is a problem with ClamWin 0.96.2.1: you can't update the virus definitions anymore. There are 2 possibilitys: To replace a dll-file or to use 0.96.1. you may should publish it on the clamwin site
17:21:26 <Felix3> source: http://forums.clamwin.com/viewtopic.php?t=2998
17:24:44 <Felix3> but replacing seems not to work on my computer...
17:25:30 <JohnTHaller> We don't support Win98 anymore.
17:25:43 <JohnTHaller> ClamWin Portable won't install if you're running Win98.
17:26:00 <Felix3> I can't update it also on win xp
17:26:49 <Felix3> sorry i hadn't read the bit with win 98 i just saw can't upgrade virus definitions ;)
17:29:51 <Felix3> which parameters do you use to start the eject.exe if you press eject in the platform?
17:30:48 <JohnTHaller> Don't know offhand. It's in the source. Why?
17:31:34 <JohnTHaller> I just updated ClamWin Portable's definitions without issue. Have you tried resetting the app (deleting the Data directory... you lose settings)
17:32:12 <Felix3> ok il'll try this
17:33:41 <Felix3> well i just want to crypt some parts of my stick in the end so i want to use the starthere.exe from heise (i think u know it) and then a batch file first crypting the things and then the eject exe ;)
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18:22:27 <Felix3> I have still problems to update clamwin. "ClamAV update process started at Fri Nov 12 19:20:41 2010
18:22:27 <Felix3> Downloading main.cvd [100%]
18:22:27 <Felix3> ERROR: Verification: Broken or not a CVD file
18:22:27 <Felix3> . Trying again in 5 secs...
18:22:27 <Felix3> "
18:22:44 <Felix3> Does anybody have the same problem or know a solution?
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18:24:37 <Felix3> i reinstalled it two times but still the same thing
18:24:57 <ZachThibeau> probably an issue with the clamwin update server
18:25:36 <Felix3> hmm john updated his clamwin earlier without problems
18:26:13 <ZachThibeau> hmm either that or could be an issue with your drive in paticular, let me update mine
18:29:45 <ZachThibeau> updated just fine for me
18:30:53 <Felix3> that sounds strange - in the end after 3 attempts there is a error message that i should check a temp-file
18:31:17 <Felix3> DNSDatabaseInfo current.cvd.clamav.net
18:31:17 <Felix3> DatabaseMirror database.clamav.net
18:31:17 <Felix3> MaxAttempts 3
18:31:25 <Felix3> this is in that temp-file
18:31:59 <ZachThibeau> sounds like your computer is having troubles accesing the update server for clamwin then
18:32:22 <Felix3> sounds bad
18:36:36 <Felix3> any idea how i can change that?
18:38:15 <ZachThibeau> none that I can think of, but it does sound like a dns issue where your computer can't resolve the address for the clamwin update server, try a reboot if it doesn't work, try updating from another computer, if it updates on reboot, then it was a dns thing, if not and you update from another computer it could be something related network wise
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18:46:57 <Felix3> ok thanks - reboot doesn't help, i'll try it on another computer later, when my brother is in bed ;)
18:49:09 <JohnTHaller> Felix3: Did you just reinstall it or did you delete the Data directory as I suggested?
18:50:08 <Felix3> JohnTHaller: I did both and both don't work
18:51:11 <Felix3> and in the command prompt it failes because there isn't a freshclam.conf
19:11:55 <JohnTHaller> command prompt?
19:12:19 <Felix3> cmd
19:12:28 <JohnTHaller> why would you see a command prompt?
19:12:50 <Felix3> no i used it because of the verbug mode
19:13:02 <Felix3> but now i managed t to work
19:13:02 <JohnTHaller> Still not sure what you mean
19:14:41 <Felix3> i used this
19:14:41 <Felix3> N:\PortableApps\ClamWinPortable>App\clamwin\bin\freshclam.exe --datadir="\Portab
19:14:42 <Felix3> leApps\ClamWinPortable\Data\db" --config-file="\PortableApps\ClamWinPortable\App
19:14:42 <Felix3> \clamwin\bin\freshclam.conf" --log="\PortableApps\ClamWinPortable\update.txt" -v
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19:57:09 <Felix3> so I just post my problem with Clam win again - it fails to update and in verbose mode this happens: I have some problems to update my ClamWin 0.96.2.1 Portable. The result of freshclam.exe in verbose mode i posted here: http://paste.debian.net/99671 can anybody help me?
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20:23:21 <Felix3> problem solved - a problem with my computer and the server - another server works
20:28:29 <Felix3> is there any way to do some other action (-> crypting files) if you press the exit or eject button?
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20:58:24 <JohnTHaller> We don't do RunOnExit yet but will in a future release. But on that note, crypting files on start/exit isn't really secure since the unsecure ones can be undeleted.
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21:01:06 <Felix3> well - my crypting program deletes the uncrypted files ;)
21:01:11 <Felix3> but thanks :)
21:01:47 <JohnTHaller> Deleted or secure deleted. There is a difference. And on flash drives, secure delete doesn't quite work.
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21:05:18 <Felix3> secure deleted
21:05:55 <Felix3> what do you mean with secure delete doesn't quite work?
21:06:24 <markomlm> hello @all
21:06:37 <JohnTHaller> Flash drives do wear leveling, which means that a given place on the flash drive isn't necessarily the same place you thought it was. There's an entire virtual level in between so it doesn't write to the same area too much.
21:07:05 <JohnTHaller> So, even if you tell your software to replace a given file on a flash drive with, say, all zeros, it's not really doing that.
21:08:23 <Felix3> hi @marko
21:08:29 <Felix3> oh ok thanks
21:08:54 <Felix3> i didn't know that so far
21:09:45 <JohnTHaller> Granted, reconstructing it would be much harder as pieces of it are probably wiped.
21:10:10 <JohnTHaller> Unless you have something that REALLY needs to be secured, you're fine. If you do have something that really needs to be secured, you should get a hardware encryption drive
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21:12:08 <Felix3> well it's not so hard - but by using thunderbird and so on i really don't want that anybody can read my emails if i lose my stick ;)
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21:46:00 <gluxon> Hey digit
21:48:38 <digit> 'lo
21:48:46 <digit> This is kinda random but whatever
21:49:00 <digit> so we were touching upon Roanoke in Civics
21:49:13 <digit> and then my teacher started asking review questions
21:49:34 <digit> "Who was the second leader of the Roanoke colony?
21:49:48 <digit> "Um, I think it's that white guy."
21:50:04 <JohnTHaller> You guys mind taking this to -ot
21:50:16 <digit> "WAIT NO NO NO I MEAN JOHN WHITE!!!!"
21:52:47 <digit> No problem JohnTHaller
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22:16:04 <gluxon> digit: You're doing Roanoke?
22:16:06 <gluxon> O_o
22:16:31 <gluxon> Oh, sorry, just read the -ot thing.
22:17:19 <digit> In unrelated topics: How has the PA landscape been?
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22:35:41 <JohnTHaller> Quite busy. Apps are up to date (cept utorrent which I'm working on), fixed the last issue with the download plugin for NSIS (causing files to be left behind in inet temp on the local PC)
22:36:05 <JohnTHaller> PA.c Installer got that patch and apps are updated for it. Updater got that patch internally. Now finishing up categories and theme switching for b6
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22:46:12 <gluxon> Can the updater update itself? :P
22:46:31 <JohnTHaller> Not quite yet. With b6 it can.
22:46:42 <JohnTHaller> b5 to b6 will require a manual close of the platform and updater to continue.
22:53:47 <OliverK|Away> JohnTHaller: does that bug only apply to online installers?
22:53:53 <JohnTHaller> Yup
22:54:03 <JohnTHaller> Bug in the inetc download component for NSIS.
22:54:08 <OliverK|Away> okay
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23:07:43 <digit> The one killer feature that just might make me carry around my flash drive again would be autosync.
23:13:19 <OliverK|Away> digit: so write it in toucan
23:13:19 <JohnTHaller> Ok, 7-Zip Portable Beta is now available for peeps to try out.
23:13:34 <JohnTHaller> digit: You can sync Firefox and Chrome directly using the cloud.
23:14:54 <digit> i.e., sync on plugging in
23:15:10 <OliverK|Away> toucan script
23:15:29 <OliverK|Away> or you'll have to write something that interfaces with the windows API and catches drives being plugged in
23:15:43 <digit> That's the thing. SOmething hassle-free and easy to setup would be nice.
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