IRC Log from 2010-11-15
00:03:16 <Scriptdaemon> ChrisMorgan, I've pinpointed the folder of the file that doesn't like UPX (plugins). Now to go through one-by-one.
00:04:26 <ChrisMorgan> Possibly wiser to leave the whole folder.
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00:05:02 <ChrisMorgan> 817KB, it's not going to save enough space to warrant a potential breakage, I reckon.
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00:05:32 <Scriptdaemon> Alright.
00:09:42 <Scriptdaemon> It appears none of them like UPX anyway.
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00:23:53 <Scriptdaemon> So apparently, AppCompactor.ini doesn't even work.
00:24:56 <ChrisMorgan> !?
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00:25:48 <ChrisMorgan> What directory are you telling it?
00:29:36 <Scriptdaemon> I would use FilesExcluded, correct? Before I try again, does it support asterisks?
00:30:39 <ChrisMorgan> No.
00:31:08 <Scriptdaemon> K. (I'm not using them anyway)
00:31:41 <Scriptdaemon> The line is rather long, so I'll pastebin it in a minute.
00:33:56 <ChrisMorgan> You should be giving it the root of the package, by the way.
00:34:57 <Scriptdaemon> So I need %PAL:AppDir% too then?
00:36:07 <Scriptdaemon> Er, not PAL. But the whole line?
00:36:13 <Scriptdaemon> directory*
00:36:52 <Scriptdaemon> http://scriptdaemon.pastebin.com/PTfVEULp This is what I last used.
00:36:55 <ChrisMorgan> Don't know. Look at the source code and see if you can figure it out.
00:37:18 <ChrisMorgan> I /think/ it may be just filenames.
00:37:28 <Scriptdaemon> I tried that too. Also didn't work.
00:37:38 <ChrisMorgan> If you can work anything out from the source code, well done. It's something fearsome.
00:37:45 <Scriptdaemon> lol.
00:38:04 <Scriptdaemon> I'll just leave the AppCompactor.ini file out and ask John about it when I see him.
00:38:07 <ChrisMorgan> In Python it'd be much neater and easier to understand, and putting in e.g. glob functionality would be trivial rather than excruciatingly difficult.
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01:02:09 <Scriptdaemon> ChrisMorgan, updated. Fixed icon, added UPX compression, removed include folder.
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01:37:44 <taneth111> Hmm, I've got a problem with the installer, I keep getting this at the end:
01:37:51 <taneth111> "Error: invalid VIProductVersion format, should be X.X.X.X"
01:37:59 <taneth111> Anyone got any ideas?
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01:45:18 <ZachThibeau> nsis requires versioning structures of 4 number IE 4.0.21.4
01:45:49 <ChrisMorgan> taneth111: PackageVersion must be X.X.X.X
01:45:59 <taneth111> nevermind, found it
01:46:01 <taneth111> thanks though
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03:22:51 <Scriptdaemon> ChrisMorgan, I'm about to post a small update to OpenTTD Portable. Mind taking a look at that one when you have time too?
03:23:06 <ChrisMorgan> I think I can
03:37:56 <Scriptdaemon> ChrisMorgan, http://portableapps.com/node/23267
03:42:36 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon: downloading, will give to validator to chew but then I won't test it any more today as I'm meant to be busy writing my résumé and applying for a couple of jobs
03:43:19 <ChrisMorgan> Pass.
03:44:48 <Scriptdaemon> Alright. Just trying to get a few more of my apps the all clear for PR. I'll have to ask John if he ever saw your comments in my Fyre Portable thread.
03:44:49 <ChrisMorgan> Two minor things: OpenTTD is an open source clone of the Microprose game "Transport Tycoon Deluxe." should be OpenTTD is an open source clone of the Microprose game "Transport Tycoon Deluxe" (removed the .), and Launcher\OpenTTDPortable.ini doesn't end with EOL (bad INI style)
03:45:00 <ChrisMorgan> It's meant to be being released some time.
03:45:25 <ChrisMorgan> What text editor did you use?
03:45:34 <Scriptdaemon> Notepad++
03:45:45 <ChrisMorgan> Interesting. Would have thought it would conclude with EOL.
03:45:57 <Scriptdaemon> I can add one manually.
03:46:28 <Scriptdaemon> The next release should be soon, so I'll include those when I update for 1.0.5.
03:46:52 <ChrisMorgan> In Vim when you open such files the status line shows when you open it [noeol]
03:47:51 <ChrisMorgan> It's very noticeable if you ever use cat to output it to bash - the file finishes and it goes back to the prompt without printing a new line (messy). Command Prompt always puts in an extra newline, so if you used whatever the equivalent is in it, you'd get no blank line between the output and the next prompt, where normally you do.
03:48:15 <Scriptdaemon> Ah.
03:48:56 <Scriptdaemon> Should I remove the periods from all my apps descriptions then?
03:49:09 <Scriptdaemon> apps' *
03:49:38 <ChrisMorgan> I wouldn't ever include one unless it's multiple sentences.
04:09:28 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon: "Japanese=japenese" - is that correct?
04:09:48 <Scriptdaemon> No. >.>
04:10:05 <Scriptdaemon> Well, wait. Let me check. Pretty sure I made a typo though.
04:10:52 <Scriptdaemon> Okay, yeah. The typo is mine.
04:13:10 <ChrisMorgan> Also a few other language things: Welsh=welsh, EnglishGB=english, NorwegianNynorsk=norwegian_nynorsk, Icelandic=icelandic, Esperanto=esperanto
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04:18:10 <Scriptdaemon> The installer supported GB English? I don't see it on the dev page for the installer.
04:18:14 <Scriptdaemon> supports*
04:18:17 <ZachT|ZzZz> night folks I work early in the morning and I need to sleep
04:18:25 <Scriptdaemon> Night ZachT|ZzZz
04:19:18 <Scriptdaemon> Er, wrong one. Installer != Menu
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04:20:58 <Scriptdaemon> Oh, I see. The ones you listed are from the installer, not the menu. So there is no option for those for language switching, no?
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04:32:51 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon: some of the new values have been added since Beta 4 and so just haven't had a chance to get into the Platform yet. They'll be there for the next release, though.
04:33:57 <Scriptdaemon> Just so I don't confuse myself, I'll update it when the next release hits.
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07:45:57 <Gringoloco> Hello all
07:46:40 <Gringoloco> ChrisMorgan: What do you think about the Opera lost profile folder
07:47:30 <ChrisMorgan> I think first that I'm just about to start making tea, hope you're still here in an hour or so.
07:47:39 <Gringoloco> Sounds like the same issue I came across when just having the folder open,
07:47:50 <Gringoloco> Neh, sorry no time
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08:43:54 <ChrisMorgan> OK, back. Surprisingly close to one hour.
08:44:36 <ChrisMorgan> Gringoloco: clearly a handle still open on the folder; one report was of download being still open: moving the default download location would be a very good start.
08:46:21 <taneth111> So the profile's most likely being left in App\Opera?
08:54:28 <taneth111> Why don't we just test this and find out what exactly's happening? like, is the profile actually being deleted or just left behind?
08:54:46 <ChrisMorgan> Frankly, because we're busy doing other things and can't be bothered.
08:55:27 * taneth111 downloads Opera Portable to find out for himself
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09:09:20 <taneth111> hmmm... looks like it's that handle
09:10:54 <ChrisMorgan> What's the handle?
09:11:08 <ChrisMorgan> Does it remain open after opera.exe and OperaPortable.exe are closed?
09:22:08 <auscompgeek> hm? a handle?
09:22:32 <auscompgeek> Opera likes to hold open the theme zips after all windows close...
09:22:37 <auscompgeek> for some strange reason
09:25:44 * auscompgeek is finally downloading Geany Portable
09:46:52 <taneth111> ChrisMorgan: Yeah. I downloaded a 2mb exe and ran it, then closed Opera. Opera.exe and OperaPortable.exe die, but the other process stayed alive
09:47:41 <taneth111> Then afterwards I check App\Opera\profile and everything was gone, except for the one exe that I downloaded. Checked Data\profile too and the folder wasn't even there
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09:49:28 <ChrisMorgan> So the executable gets downloaded to the profile directory? Subdirectory of the profile?
09:49:47 <Gringoloco> ChrisMorgan: I'll see if I can have a look at this, but this evening
09:50:06 <ChrisMorgan> Gringoloco: I think the firs tsolution for it is just to move the downloads directory out of the profile.
09:50:34 <Gringoloco> It sounds quite alike my findings, when I had the specific folder opened in explorer
09:50:59 <Gringoloco> Lost all of my WinampP settings :(
09:52:16 <Gringoloco> Probably you're right to move the download folder, but I wonder if PAL could be modified so this just can not happen.
09:53:04 <Gringoloco> It just seems to happen with rename. Not 100% sure thought
09:53:30 <ChrisMorgan> The problem is that there does not seem to be any nice way to detect it at all.
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10:09:03 <Gringoloco> I can't seem to find the 'temporary_downloads' setting, maybe doesn't exist
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10:16:46 <Gringoloco> have to reinstall OperaP, all folders just doubled in App & Data
10:16:47 <Gringoloco> :(
10:17:55 <Gringoloco> Ah just delete the profile folder :P
10:30:16 <Gringoloco> DirectoriesMove.nsh line 87:
10:30:24 <Gringoloco> RMDir /R $4
10:31:13 <ChrisMorgan> Arg, :e ~/vc/por<tab>/dev<tab>... no, wait, I meant ~/vc/portableapps/launcher, not ~/vc/portableapps/development-toolkit. I've been going to the latter too much recently :-)
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10:31:59 <Gringoloco> ChrisMorgan: I really thing this is something what needs to be fixed in PAL
10:32:44 <ChrisMorgan> Gringoloco: so the problem there is that if the Rename has failed, it deletes it anyway. But the problem with stopping that is that if the Rename fails, the directory will be lost just as much and the system messed up.
10:33:21 <Gringoloco> I know, probably need some days to think about an ideal solution...
10:34:06 <Gringoloco> ...maybe some alt. rename macro, if it fails it copies ?
10:41:49 <ChrisMorgan> I think catching it and telling the user to close things using it is about the only practical solution.
10:51:48 <Gringoloco> I'll keep on thinking about & playing with it, later on. And see what I can come up with
10:52:04 <Gringoloco> got to go now
10:52:17 <ChrisMorgan> OK, bye.
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12:20:09 <pa_6680> hi
12:20:17 <ChrisMorgan> Hey pa_6680, can we help you with anything?
12:21:43 <pa_6680> how to create own portable application using portable application launcher
12:22:11 <ChrisMorgan> Read through the manual and look at existing apps using it.
12:22:38 <ChrisMorgan> There's a list of apps using PAL and what they do at http://portableapps.chrismorgan.info/launcher/manual/examples/#apps-using-pal
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12:34:13 * ChrisMorgan got bitten by the AppCompactor bug where using it on a network drive gets into an infinite loop again
12:44:15 <Gringoloco> ChrisMorgan: Just my two cents, http://pastebin.com/6LxtY71u
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12:45:08 <Gringoloco> I'm having a look at telling the user 2 close things aswell...
12:45:59 <Gringoloco> The main problem with the first option is the problem of the size in MB of the folder to be moved
12:46:24 <ChrisMorgan> The problem with that is that it will get left where it was as well, which is OK (though obviously undesirable) the first time, but will break in an even worse way the second time. It's *got* to be cleared.
12:47:28 <Gringoloco> The second time it will (try) to back it up. All seems to work pretty much fine for OperaP
12:47:32 <ChrisMorgan> So I think RMDir should be put just into the CopyFiles variant, and the RMDir and Rename should be checked for success and told the user.
12:48:25 <ChrisMorgan> First time, App\Opera\profile gets left behind; second time, that gets moved to App\Opera\profile-BackupByOperaPortable and a new copy goes in App\Opera\profile; third time, it gets muddled as profile can't be moved to profile-BackupByOperaPortable.
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12:51:55 <Gringoloco> So the user will loose some files, which already did get copied over to the data folder. I'm not really seeing the problem, atleast not for OperaP
12:53:06 <ChrisMorgan> But then the old and new versions of the profiles just start getting muddled. Profile entanglement. Confusion. Settings breaking. Probable corruption.
12:55:06 <Gringoloco> I done some quick testing, and all seems fine. Remember that all files will be copied back to Data on exit. Just the files which were locked will be left in the App\Opera folder
12:55:35 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, then it gets backed up and restored in a muddle.
12:56:45 <Gringoloco> Muddle, you mean it will always stay in the App folder. Doesn't really harm thought
12:57:43 <ChrisMorgan> As I said, you get confusion between Data\profile, App\Opera\profile and App\Opera\profile-BackupByOperaPortable
12:57:44 <Gringoloco> It was just an idea, I'm looking in to producing an error message to the user aswell. But also isn't that ideal
12:57:55 <ChrisMorgan> I think the error message is the only really solid way of doing it.
12:58:59 <Gringoloco> I'm fine with the error messages. Just do not get where you see the confusion in the profile folders :?
13:00:15 <ChrisMorgan> To do with the CopyFiles policy of overwriting or not. In Opera it's possible that all the files will be there - in which case the data will remain in App\Opera\profile, and never end up back in Data\profile.
13:01:29 <Gringoloco> It's not doing that, it's keeping all the settings :P
13:02:11 <ChrisMorgan> - in App\Opera\profile. Get it into that muddled state, then change some settings and reinstall Opera Portable. You'll lose those latest settings as they were in App\Opera\profile.
13:02:41 <Gringoloco> The only 2 issues I'm seeing is when the specific folder is huge, and that potentially folders can be left on the local drive if this happens with other app which is already happening anyway
13:03:40 <Gringoloco> NO, it get stuck on rename, then happily copies the files to data\profile (on exit). No problem
13:05:23 <ChrisMorgan> Copies the files, but the directory already exists, doesn't it?
13:07:16 <Gringoloco> It could exist, yes. And you're saying it does not overide them ?
13:10:24 <ChrisMorgan> My recollection is that the default is not to override. SetOverwrite instruction or something like that to change it.
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13:14:01 <Gringoloco> from the manual
13:14:02 <Gringoloco> SetOverwrite
13:14:02 <Gringoloco> on|off|try|ifnewer|ifdiff|lastused
13:14:02 <Gringoloco> This command sets the overwrite flag which is used by the File
13:14:21 <Gringoloco> command to determine whether or not the file should overwrite any existing files that are present
13:14:42 <Gringoloco> 4.8.2.8 SetOverwrite
13:15:09 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm, I thought it covered CopyFiles as well. Not sure what the regime is with CopyFiles then.
13:15:15 <Gringoloco> It only does not overide the specific file when it's locked
13:17:02 <ChrisMorgan> Well, I've got my figures for PyQt4 versus PySide now: 25/31MB through py2exe, then 8.1/9MB compressed. I think I'll use PyQt4 for the moment until PySide implements Python properties instead of getters and setters.
13:18:41 <ChrisMorgan> Actually probably more like 9.3MB, MSVCP90.dll didn't get included and it depends on that (PyQt4 doesn't)
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17:08:03 <guillerc> potable dreamweaver cs 3 hay su o no
17:09:23 <guillerc> contestar?
17:23:11 <Bensawsome> guillerc it's illegal to have :/
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17:24:12 <Bensawsome> shit i was about to get the name of the open source one though -_-
17:24:13 <Bensawsome> lol
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19:04:16 <Gringoloco_> Aai, 38.6 C, no wonder I feel a bit weird today :(
19:09:11 <dboki89> Gringoloco_ , now you, too? :( ...this fever must be spreading thorugh IRC... /jk Hope you get well soon! :)
19:09:26 <Gringoloco_> yeah, thanx
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21:46:55 <Theodore_> Hello
21:47:18 <sar3th> hi Theodore_, how can we help?
21:48:00 <Theodore_> I am a mac user can i use your apps on my computer
21:49:04 <sar3th> well, the applications are designed for Windows. OS X uses a different format for binaries, so you won't be able to run it without some kind of emulating software, as wine or something
21:50:14 <Theodore_> were Can i download wine
21:51:54 <sar3th> Theodore_: read this: http://wiki.winehq.org/MacOSX
21:52:36 <Bensawsome> there are also mac portable apps
21:52:44 <Bensawsome> they arent ours
21:52:51 <Bensawsome> but i use them sometimes
21:53:02 <Bensawsome> http://www.freesmug.org/portableapps
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21:56:00 <Theodore_> Um snything else tht can help me
21:56:47 <sar3th> check out these links, they have what you want
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21:57:54 <Theodore_> ok im dowloading wine to my flashdrive
21:58:17 <Theodore_> Yeah i can play cubeshooter
21:58:38 <Theodore_> in 3 minute something seconds
22:00:31 <Theodore_> Anyone else need help i know my way around the website
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23:53:33 <pa_7790> help
23:54:07 <pa_7790> i have downloaded the dreamweaver portable installed but it doens´t run
23:54:49 <pa_7790> help
23:54:55 <pa_7790> help help help
23:55:02 <pa_7790> from Brazil
23:55:53 <pa_7790> anyone??
23:59:32 <pa_7790> +gizmobot