IRC Log from 2010-11-21
00:00:02 <agdurrette-> Gringoloco: sorry,
00:01:40 <Gringoloco> Did you read the manual about language switching ?
00:02:31 <agdurrette-> just found http://portableapps.com/manuals/PortableApps.comLauncher/ref/launcher.ini/language/
00:03:49 <Gringoloco> After reading and testing, probably you can come-up with a more specific question, instead of just asking how to do it in general
00:04:10 <Gringoloco> no body is going to type all of the manual in IRC for you
00:05:32 <Gringoloco> agdurrette-: have a look here aswell, and look for the apps which have language switching, they are good examples
00:05:37 <Gringoloco> http://portableapps.chrismorgan.info/launcher/manual/examples/#apps-using-pal
00:10:18 <agdurrette-> also,
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00:11:53 <agdurrette-> Nv
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00:18:36 <agdurrette-> Can PAL edit an xml file with [FileWriteN]?
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00:21:25 <agdurrette-> nv foing it
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00:26:14 <Gringoloco> agdurrette-: PAL 2.1 does http://portableapps.chrismorgan.info/launcher/manual/topics/xml/#xml
00:26:40 <agdurrette-> found*
00:27:15 <agdurrette-> know of any good examples of it?
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00:28:02 <Gringoloco> there is an example in the link I just send you :P
00:28:27 <agdurrette-> oh there it is :D
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00:29:49 <Gringoloco> so download FreecolPortable and compare the XPATH with the xml file from FreecolP
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18:15:04 <USB-Guy> Hi
18:17:50 <dboki89> Hi USB-Guy. If you have a question, just ask it, and if anyone is able to help they will (try to) do so. | Disclaimer: I'm not a PA developer, just a user like yourself
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18:24:02 <USB-Guy> I was thinking like this. They are people who does not trust internet banks like Paypal and so on. Because you have to be a member and add your personal information and bank information and many fear computer hackers and identity theft would there be easier to send text donations with your cell phone.
18:27:00 <USB-Guy> It is just a idea
18:28:05 <USB-Guy> From a beginning PortableApps.com was also just a idea who came to life
18:29:03 <dboki89> Being just a user here, I'm not qualified to actually say anything on the matter... It's up to PortableApps.com how they want their donations, but your idea seems ok
18:30:15 <USB-Guy> Because If hacker or Cyber Crime did not exist antiviruses and firewall would be useless
18:30:20 <USB-Guy> hackers
18:30:40 <USB-Guy> firewalls
18:32:59 <USB-Guy> I don't trust online shopping. Nothing is 100 Percent safe Guaranteed
18:34:32 <dboki89> anyone wanna go SPAM hunting? --> http://portableapps.com/node/5935#comment-164481
18:48:07 <Gringoloco> agdurrette: If you have any interest in the Halite additional languages, I could send them you ?
18:52:46 <ZachThibeau> got it
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19:36:12 <agdurrette> Gringoloco: the .dll s?
19:38:07 <MarkSikkema> agdurrette: Here you are http://www.filedropper.com/halitelangs
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19:40:37 <MarkSikkema> Hmm, that was a bit rude :(
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19:44:01 <dboki89> yea... and I wanted to tell him about his Mumble problems as well... ah well, there's also the forum
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19:47:59 <MarkSikkema> or the XPath to use in XML files for the languages:
19:49:17 <MarkSikkema> Actually I wonder how he knew they where dll's, I didn't say so
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19:58:43 <USB-Guy> Hi can I get some support
20:00:22 <gluxon> USB-Guy: Yeah, go ahead, what's your question?
20:03:46 <USB-Guy> I was thinking like this. They are people who does not trust internet banks like Paypal and so on. Because you have to be a member and add your personal information and bank information and many fear computer hackers and identity theft would there be easier to send text donations with your cell phone. It is just a idea From a beginning PortableApps.com was also just a idea who came to life Because If hackers or Cyber Crime did
20:03:48 <USB-Guy> shopping. Nothing is 100 Percent safe Guaranteed
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22:04:07 <WillPittenger> I should note that updating the PA program doesn't update installed apps.
22:05:07 <dboki89> WillPittenger: ? what do you mean by that? | Disclaimer: I'm not a PA developer, just a user like yourself
22:05:55 <WillPittenger> Well, don't assume that when you download the latest PA suite that you are getting the latest apps. If those are all that are out of date, just update them.
22:09:53 <dboki89> Yes, some apps in the Suite get to be outdated after a while. I believe that when PA Platform 2 is out, you will only need to install the Platform, and then decide which additional apps to download from within it. I could be wrong though, I'm speaking from memory
22:10:44 <dboki89> and it's quite a task to constantly update and upload the Suite, which is somewhat big
22:10:49 <WillPittenger> And some apps (notably Inkscape) can't update themselves.
22:14:12 <dboki89> OK. For starters, related to the way you update apps, you should always use updates offered by PortableApps.com, instead of using a built in updater of a specific app. Meaning, if Firefox Portable asks you to update itself, you probably shoudn't do it that way; you should install a Firefox Portable offered by PortableApps.com instead
22:14:32 <WillPittenger> Why?
22:15:28 <dboki89> because, apps change over time (if you update them), and what may have made them portable before, might stop working at some point
22:15:53 <dboki89> for example, an app changes the place where it stores it's settings
22:16:40 <WillPittenger> The portable Inkscape version is offered though inkscape.org. I also figured the update mechanism would be adjusted to ensure only portable versions were installed.
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22:17:50 <dboki89> please wait a moment for me to check something
22:20:06 <dboki89> ok, for one, if you use PortableApps Platform 2 beta 5, the built in updater of the said platform should be able to automatically update InscapePortable for you
22:21:51 <dboki89> about updates to your programs, the future version of PA Platform will have the updater which automatically downloades propper versions of portable software
22:22:51 <dboki89> and you can get a beta version of PAP 2 beta 5 which is very stable, but is still to get some features before going official
22:23:19 <WillPittenger> I should note the various apps normally have their own built in update systems in their non-portable versions. So adapting all to get only portable versions would be a per-app basis.
22:23:44 <WillPittenger> When would PAP 2 land?
22:24:05 <dboki89> when? the only answer we get is "when it's done"
22:24:15 <dboki89> a beta version is available here --> http://portableapps.com/node/24258
22:24:55 <WillPittenger> Well, I thought they had a forecast date when they thought it would be ready. For FF4, that will be about February.
22:25:16 <dboki89> yes, various apps normally do have their own, built in updaters, but as I said, after a while, those updater might turn the app from portable into non-portable
22:25:19 <WillPittenger> And no, they don't provide a specific date. Just the month.
22:26:20 <WillPittenger> Well, that is why I said the built-in code could be adapted to get only portable versions. Most, if not all, are open source. So that isn't all that hard aside from you have tons of systems to work on.
22:26:57 <dboki89> there are reasons why John (the main developer) doesn't want to give any specific dates as to when the PAP will be officially out. And there is a BIG problem with doing it on a per app basis
22:27:35 <dboki89> 1) if you modifi a source, even though it IS an Open Source project, the name "Firefox", for example, and it's logo, and whatnot are copyrighted
22:28:23 <dboki89> so, if you modify the source to change the updater, you'd need to remove any instance of "Firefox" from the source, any copyrighted logo, and name the program something else
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22:28:42 <WillPittenger> Well, I figured the portable version would be a joint project. PA changes Firefox to ignore the disk cache as is.
22:28:45 <sar3th> only if you were working on FF itself
22:28:46 <dboki89> the same goes for VLC player and any other OS program
22:29:23 <sar3th> if you modify the pa updater, i don't see any reason not to support firefox portable (by pa)
22:30:24 <dboki89> sar3th: I was talking about the inbuilt updaters of various apps, that you can't redistribute them under the same name if you modify their source code
22:31:06 <WillPittenger> dboki89: As noted, PA disables the Firefox disk cache. So it modifies the source.
22:31:35 <sar3th> WillPittenger: what dboki89 meant was that pa has the proper clearance to distribute ffp
22:31:53 <WillPittenger> I know.
22:32:04 <sar3th> and if you modify ffp and redistribute it under the name firefox, that is a trademark violation
22:32:26 <dboki89> WillPittenger: Mozilla specifically told that PA can redistribute FFP, but the updater which is built in Firefox itself must not be turned of
22:32:36 <WillPittenger> However, ffp is itself a modified version of FF.
22:32:38 <dboki89> an order by Mozilla on that subject, if you will
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22:33:37 <sar3th> WillPittenger: ffp is a modified version of ff which has mozilla's official clearance
22:33:50 <WillPittenger> Not disable the built-in updater, change the URL where it checks for updates.
22:34:59 <dboki89> WillPittenger: now, you should take thatquestion to Mozilla :p Why they said to do it this way, or not to do it that way, that's up to them
22:35:26 <dboki89> for app updates, there's a PA updater in PA Platform 2 beta 5
22:35:30 <WillPittenger> Or have a flag in the program source (conditional compilation) that converts the updater to check where to get updated versions of the program. (Add ons are updated by a second updater.)
22:35:44 <dboki89> that should keep all PA apps up to date for you
22:37:12 <dboki89> ^ including Inkscape :)
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