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01:11:34 <ChrisMorgan> A goodly number of releases coming out, John :-)
01:11:54 <JohnTHaller> Yup. I've got a solid week of PA.c time this week
01:15:04 <JohnTHaller> I'm so tempted to replace the toolbar icons in 7-Zip for our release.
01:16:13 <ChrisMorgan> Are they bad, or do you just think you can do better, or is it with branding?
01:16:37 <JohnTHaller> We all know them: http://www.softpedia.com/progScreenshots/7-Zip-Screenshot-5598.html
01:18:52 <JohnTHaller> They
01:19:11 <JohnTHaller> They're famously bad. So someone built this: http://killercookie-server.media-xshell.com/7zTM/
01:20:34 <ChrisMorgan> Famously bad? That's one thing that I actually quite /like/ about 7-Zip. The branding and icons are very clear and simple.
01:21:02 <JohnTHaller> The icons are straight out of Windows 3.1, which makes the app look unprofessional/old to new users.
01:21:22 <JohnTHaller> The icons are actually 16 color icons. As in Old-school Windows 16-bit.
01:21:41 <JohnTHaller> Having clean icons is fine. But using incredibly dated ones that look out of place on a modern OS is kinda silly.
01:21:57 <ChrisMorgan> But still, I see now how it could potentially be improved.
01:22:28 <ChrisMorgan> Don't like the filetype icons they show in their screenshots at all. The 7-Zip ones are very clear.
01:22:53 <JohnTHaller> There are better ones included.
01:23:06 <JohnTHaller> And you can use Oxygen as well. And we don't currently use the filetype icons anyway
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01:26:08 <JohnTHaller> I'm still amazed they didn't update them for the 9.x release that was, what, 2 years in the making?
01:26:55 <ChrisMorgan> It does seem somewhat surprising.
01:27:07 <pa_1677> Hi, everyone.. Is there instructions on installing the Portable Apps Launcher on a Sandisk Contour 8gb?
01:28:26 <ChrisMorgan> pa_1677: do you mean the PortableApps.com Platform?
01:28:52 <ChrisMorgan> (Or Suite)
01:30:27 <pa_1677> Well I have a U3 launcher and wondering if I can replace it with the PA 2mb launcher
01:30:36 <ChrisMorgan> http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#installing
01:31:09 <ChrisMorgan> You can't replace it in the same way; it won't run from the special partition like U3 does. It runs on the normal part of the USB disk like everything else.
01:31:39 <pa_1677> so is u3 support dead nowadays?
01:33:23 <ChrisMorgan> U3 is a dead platform.
01:34:40 <pa_1677> :( so format the USB drive an use PA instead then.
01:37:59 <ChrisMorgan> You can leave U3 on there if you want to. It doesn't really affect anything much.
01:39:03 <ChrisMorgan> There is a removal tool for U3 which will get rid of it if you don't want it - http://u3.sandisk.com/launchpadremoval.htm
01:39:17 <pa_1677> if there are no u3 apps, it becomes a moot point to use it as it seams most vendors have gone to PA
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02:39:02 <dboki89> only came to report a spammer --> http://portableapps.com/user/162954
02:39:13 <OliverK> baby can read, or the tribe?
02:39:20 <OliverK> just reported to zach
02:39:27 <dboki89> pick which ever you like :p
02:39:57 <dboki89> also in the off topic forum, movies and series...
02:41:07 <dboki89> Anyways, off to sleep. Good night :)
02:41:13 <OliverK> night
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02:42:44 <ChrisMorgan> Killed.
02:43:43 <OliverK> thanks
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09:39:40 <sar3th> http://portableapps.com/node/25653
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10:23:55 <pa_6284> You are prob already aware of this by now but someone mispelled Chrome in the Google Chrome help.html file
10:25:42 <pa_6284> Your welcome...
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14:15:33 <pa_4500> Hi all! How can I make a portable application ?
14:15:58 <pa_4500> I need use thinapp or portableapp have a similiar utility ?
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16:19:42 <ZachThibeau> howdy folks
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16:21:54 <JohnTHaller> hola
16:23:50 <ZachThibeau> how's everything?
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16:34:38 <JohnTHaller> Not bad. Enjoying my dedicated PA.c week
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16:35:28 <MarkSikkema> Hello all
16:35:37 <sar3th> hello JohnTHaller :)
16:35:43 <JohnTHaller> Hello hello
16:35:48 <sar3th> have you seen my topic on Opera portable? http://portableapps.com/node/25653
16:36:49 <JohnTHaller> Since that still causes stuff to be in APPDATA, it's not really a viable option.
16:38:04 <sar3th> oops? you have to copy much less data over and maintain less stuff, which is much better :)
16:38:47 <MarkSikkema> It's definitly taking to long for a fix :(
16:38:49 <JohnTHaller> Right, but having the profile in the same directory is the official way for Opera to do it. That mode triggers certain things within Opera so it knows it is in portable mode.
16:39:15 <JohnTHaller> The only current issue is if you open stuff from online directly (which you should never do, anyway).
16:40:00 <MarkSikkema> But probably a fair amount of users do, and end up with a totally messed up app
16:40:30 <JohnTHaller> I'm fixing it in the next release. I'm just not fixing it the way sareth suggested. I'm doing custom code just to handle the situation properly on startup.
16:40:33 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: I fail to see how that's not a better solution? Or better yet...fix it with that and go back to the devs?
16:41:08 <JohnTHaller> On startup, if the profile is in app and data, delete the one in data and move the one in app to data... then let PAL do its normal thing.
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16:41:20 <MarkSikkema> Did you ever had a look at the custom-code I send a few days ago ?
16:41:31 <JohnTHaller> It's just a simple RMDir of one folder and then a rename, both low-cost operations.
16:41:34 <MarkSikkema> Hi Simeon
16:41:37 <Simeon> hi all
16:42:00 <JohnTHaller> Yes, but I don't want to redefine a whole segment in PAL just for this app. It'll get messy with later versions of PAL. My way, it can handle newer PAL releases.
16:42:15 <Gizmokid2005> wasn't PAL supposed to make things easier?
16:42:39 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: rename is not low cost as I've proven with KVIrc
16:42:49 <Gizmokid2005> if you've got lots of files/data it takes a long time and rarely fully completes.
16:43:21 <JohnTHaller> How have you proven it? I've never seen a rename take that long even with many files underneath. In theory, it's a Windows API call that only affects a single directory record in FAT32 or NTFS.
16:43:28 <Gizmokid2005> that's why I had so many dev tests with KVirc
16:43:43 <Gizmokid2005> it doesn't matter...look how long it takes to delete over 1,000 files in windows itself
16:43:51 <Gizmokid2005> then do it on a slow flash drive
16:44:01 <JohnTHaller> Oh you mean the RMDir, not the delete, right?
16:44:13 <JohnTHaller> Argh
16:44:17 <Gizmokid2005> no
16:44:20 <Gizmokid2005> I mean the rename
16:44:20 <JohnTHaller> I mean, you mean the RMDir not the rename
16:44:27 <Gizmokid2005> rmdir is quick and easy
16:44:28 <JohnTHaller> Windows takes no time to rename a folder
16:44:30 <Gizmokid2005> rename takes forever
16:44:32 <Gizmokid2005> yes it does
16:44:39 <Gizmokid2005> if you move it from \App\KVirc\ to \data\
16:44:53 <Gizmokid2005> it has to check each file before moving
16:44:58 <Gizmokid2005> windows won't move in use files, thus more time.
16:45:13 <JohnTHaller> But they're not in use.
16:45:19 <JohnTHaller> This is on startup.
16:45:20 <Gizmokid2005> they still have to be checked
16:45:21 <Gizmokid2005> in use or not.
16:45:34 <Gizmokid2005> I'll give you a large data directory for KVIrc and one of my older dev tests
16:45:37 <Gizmokid2005> just to prove my point if you want.
16:45:57 <Gizmokid2005> and I had my issue on a local disc, not on a usb drive
16:46:02 <Gizmokid2005> *disk
16:48:11 <JohnTHaller> sar3th: Do those Opera settings work even when in portable (aka single user) mode?
16:48:23 <JohnTHaller> If so, we could move just some bits of the profile, which would alleviate much of the issue.
16:48:39 <sar3th> which is what i suggested
16:48:49 <sar3th> and yes, they work with single-user profiles
16:48:51 <JohnTHaller> Sorry, I think I read it wrong then. You said it created something in APPDATA
16:48:59 <sar3th> $AppDir
16:49:09 <sar3th> not $AppData
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16:50:11 <Simeon> JohnTHaller, I have a request: Could you add me to the release team and let me edit http://portableapps.com/development/test/status? I have a couple apps I tested and want to add them to the list.
16:50:23 <JohnTHaller> Ah ok. Sorry about that. Then, yes, it would make sense to handle it that way. I'm gonna be packaging up Beta 1 today, so we can use that as a quick test. If it works as expected, I'll do the Rev on stable later tonight.
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16:51:24 <JohnTHaller> Simeon: Done
16:51:55 <Simeon> Thanks. and thanks for clearing up the question about the multi-lang updater thing.
16:52:13 <JohnTHaller> sar3th and Gizmokid2005: So, do you guys agree that me using sar3th's changes and then moving just the individual files betwen the two (with a special check) should solve the issue for Opera?
16:52:30 <Gizmokid2005> definitely, at least much more effectively than it's done now.
16:52:32 <JohnTHaller> MarkSikkema: Do you know if we can make the launcher handle this issue better in an ongoing basis?
16:52:53 <sar3th> yes, ChrisMorgan agreed about that as well
16:52:55 <JohnTHaller> Ok, I'll get my butt on that after lunch then and hopefully have it fixed today.
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16:53:30 <MarkSikkema> sorry was off for a bit
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16:53:36 <JohnTHaller> No worries.
16:54:22 <MarkSikkema> Reading all that's said, I cannot agree with Gizmokid2005 about the rename, it's that fast
16:55:01 <MarkSikkema> as long as they are folders or files with in the same drive
16:55:25 <Simeon> gotta go - bye all.
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16:56:20 <Gizmokid2005> MarkSikkema: i don't know...like I said, I can give you log files and an old launcher of KVIrc to see the problem
16:56:24 <Gizmokid2005> it would never finish.
16:56:26 <Gizmokid2005> ever
16:56:43 <JohnTHaller> MarkSikkema: We can have a situation where a PC crashes and the stuff to be moved back and forth for other apps remains in App instead of Data. Do we know if PAL can handle that for all apps?
16:56:45 <Gizmokid2005> partially through the copy it would just clow the launcher
16:57:11 <MarkSikkema> Gizmokid2005: where they files or folders ?
16:57:47 <Gizmokid2005> files.
16:58:00 <MarkSikkema> JohnTHaller: Chris is working on it, but could take a while. Also I do not agree with the MessageBox Chris wants to implement
16:58:05 <Gizmokid2005> right now I have 15k in that folder, if I was try to rename it, I can nearly guarantee it wouldn't work.
16:58:23 <MarkSikkema> Gizmokid2005: Files behave different then folders, atleast in Nsis
16:58:35 <Gizmokid2005> which has been my point from the beginning......
16:58:54 <Gizmokid2005> you can't expect a mass file rename to work quickly
16:58:59 <Gizmokid2005> ..and that's what I said in the beginning..
16:59:01 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: Can you zip up a folder like that and send it my way so I can test it out... or is it huge?
16:59:01 <MarkSikkema> But opera is rename the whole folder, which takes a split second
16:59:13 <Gizmokid2005> MarkSikkema: the files are INSIDE a folder
16:59:21 <Gizmokid2005> but they STILL need to be renamed
16:59:27 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: sure
16:59:46 <Gizmokid2005> lemme make sure it's decent sizwe
16:59:56 <MarkSikkema> Yes, ofcourse, but nsis behaves different if renaming files vs. folders
17:00:09 <Gizmokid2005> MarkSikkema: I never told it to rename the files...just the parent folder "Settings"
17:00:18 <Gizmokid2005> which the logs are in \Settings\logs\<files>\
17:00:26 <MarkSikkema> ah ok
17:00:33 <MarkSikkema> :?
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17:03:02 <MarkSikkema> JohnTHaller: Do you consider there is any need to preserve the temporary_downloads folder
17:04:11 <JohnTHaller> Don't know actually. I know that's the one that gets locked.
17:04:32 <JohnTHaller> But we do have to solve the issue of a crashed app leaving data in App before rolling out PAL further in official apps.
17:05:56 <MarkSikkema> I have to say, it's nice to know and probably nice to implement some of the settings sar3th recomended. It's atleast worth having a look at !
17:06:33 <JohnTHaller> MarkSikkema: I think you missed the part of this chat where I said I was gonna... I misunderstood and thought he meant APPDATA instead of $AppDir in the forum post.
17:07:52 <sar3th> maybe you could even get opera software to derive all directories from the ini-settings, so no additional handling would be required
17:08:01 <JohnTHaller> That's be nice.
17:08:18 <sar3th> there's only a small bunch of files left already, it probably isn't involving heavy modifications
17:08:58 <JohnTHaller> We have a license from Opera, report download numbers to them and may be doing some joing publicity in the future. I can probably get a word into the devs to improve portability.
17:09:26 <MarkSikkema> JohnTHaller: Do you agree with Chris's idea for a MessageBox, informing the user of locked files. It could solve a lot but I personally do not like the messagboxes ?
17:09:48 <JohnTHaller> No. I already told him not to do messageboxes. We handle it transparently in the bg when we can.
17:10:01 <JohnTHaller> If it's a locked file on the local PC in, say, APPDATA, that's another story.
17:10:11 <JohnTHaller> But for moving betwen App and Data in the app, definitely not.
17:11:12 <MarkSikkema> Would you think the REBOOT flag is acceptable to deal with the local drive issue
17:11:32 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: the zip is 73MB
17:11:50 <JohnTHaller> Probably not. Because if there's locked files in say APPDATA\AppName, then we can't move APPDATA\AppName-BackupByAppNamePortable back to the proper place.
17:12:08 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: Can you upload it to a file share somewhere?
17:12:13 <Gizmokid2005> yep
17:12:17 <JohnTHaller> mediafire or similar? or is there personal info in it?
17:12:22 <MarkSikkema> I think reboot can deal with rename aswell
17:12:26 <Gizmokid2005> there might be some, I'll send it to you
17:12:37 <JohnTHaller> MarkSikkema: But in what order. That's the issue.
17:12:45 <JohnTHaller> We neeed to delete APPDATA
17:12:51 <JohnTHaller> \Appname and then rename the backup
17:12:58 <JohnTHaller> And you can't control that with /REBOOT
17:13:09 <JohnTHaller> to my knowledge anyway
17:13:24 <MarkSikkema> I need to have a better look into it then
17:13:53 <MarkSikkema> dinner is ready... if you need me to do anything about Opera let me know
17:13:59 <JohnTHaller> I don't know of any apps with the issue in terms of APPDATA stuff being locked as of now. Opera would be if we were copying profile there and back (which we're not).
17:14:06 <JohnTHaller> Ok thanks man. Enjoy dinner
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17:37:16 <JohnTHaller> Ok, got Gizmokid2005's test file set and copying it to my 8gb flash drive (that isn't so great about dealing with small files). 15 minutes left to copy.
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17:41:17 <Simeon> Reading all this about what got and gets added to PAL over the last weeks I start to feel it might be too much.
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17:42:23 <Simeon> If there is something only one app needs, why does PAL need to have it? Custom code would do the trick imho.
17:42:45 <Simeon> Oh - both Mark and Gringoloco are here ;)
17:45:13 <JohnTHaller> Simeon: The issue with Opera is indicative of a larger issue with PAL when settings are not where expected. If files need to be moved between APP and DATA, what happens when there is a PC crash and the files are in the wrong place?
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17:45:40 <Gizmokid2005> I'm surprised that was an issue though...I always built that check into my launchers to check for \
17:45:45 <Gizmokid2005> App before \
17:45:47 <Gizmokid2005> Data
17:45:53 <Gizmokid2005> wow..typing fail, sorry about that.
17:46:41 <Simeon> I wasnt talking about the opera issue. I know PC crashes are far better handled with PAL than they were before.
17:47:25 <Simeon> What about a line in the "PAL is running-ini" inside the Data folder?
17:47:31 <JohnTHaller> with local stuff they are. I'm talking with moving between app and data. they aren't right now.
17:47:45 <Simeon> Thats how crash-cleanup is done now with PAL i think.
17:48:24 <Simeon> check for /App/appname/foldername and move it back to the data folder
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17:51:24 <Gringoloco_> JohnTHaller: Any chance on adding me to the Release(testing) team aswell :)
17:53:56 <JohnTHaller> Gringoloco_: done
17:54:05 <Gringoloco_> Thanx :)
17:55:05 <Simeon> I just realised that WAtomic is already prerelease. Nice. Gonna do a PAL-release soon and maybe it could go official then.
17:55:38 <JohnTHaller> Ok, Gizmokid2005, I just tested a rename from App\log to Data\log of the folder you sent (13,259 files totally 495mb). It took 2 seconds.
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17:56:23 <JohnTHaller> This is on an 8GB flash drive formatted as FAT32. Write caching is off. The drive flickered for only those 2 seconds as well. It took 25 minutes to copy all the files to the flash drive (so you know it's not super-fast)
17:56:24 <KwukDuck> can somebody give me some more details on this java issue?
17:56:32 <JohnTHaller> what java issue
17:56:32 <JohnTHaller> ?
17:56:43 <KwukDuck> java not being allowed to be used in packages
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17:57:23 <JohnTHaller> We're finalizing the way Java works, is packaged and is named portably with our contacts at Oracle.
17:57:29 <Simeon> John:http://portableapps.com/node/25611
17:57:36 <JohnTHaller> You'll note that Java Portable was just renamed to JRE Portable
17:58:04 <KwukDuck> it will still be a downloader?
17:58:07 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: give me a few...I'll pull up my code.
17:58:40 <Simeon> Nice Java Icon! ;) Is it new?
17:58:50 <JohnTHaller> KwukDuck: We don't know yet. But it will be distributed separately from apps. The platform will automatically download and install it when you try and run a PA.c Format app.
17:59:16 <JohnTHaller> So for now, don't include the JVM in your package. Have it utilize Java Portable (now JRE Portable) in the expected location.
17:59:38 <JohnTHaller> Simeon: I made it on Thursday. It's a combo of a couple Oxygen icons. I thought it made sense :)
17:59:48 <Simeon> I like it a lot
18:00:10 <KwukDuck> hm, troublesome, why is that anyway? JRE license allows it to be redistributed if the application demands it to run.
18:00:38 <JohnTHaller> KwukDuck: The Java license is a bit vague... while they say it is allowed to be included, they don't state whether they mean the actual files or just the installer itself.
18:00:50 <JohnTHaller> KwukDuck: And it will likely change now that Oracle is running the show.
18:01:05 <KwukDuck> i see, so, more to be on the safe side..
18:01:25 <JohnTHaller> And including the JRE (at over 100MB) with EVERY portable app that needs it would be a disaster for users in terms of space.
18:01:48 <KwukDuck> true true
18:02:14 <JohnTHaller> KwukDuck: Right. So, it may or may not be acceptable to include it. But as the license is vague, we're erring on the side of caution, and will let the platform handle ensuring that JRE is there and available shortly.
18:02:33 <KwukDuck> nice
18:02:50 <JohnTHaller> KwukDuck: You don't need the platform, though, they just have to install JRE Portable as well with your app. And you just check $PARENTDIROFYOURAPP\CommonFiles\Java for the JRE on launch.
18:02:59 <Gringoloco_> JohnTHaller: I'm do not see my name added to the list ?
18:03:36 <KwukDuck> yea i know, i didnt even make a installer yet, i just made it for myself in the first place
18:03:41 <JohnTHaller> We're gonna be adding Java handling to PAL shortly, along with some simple HOWTOs as well. It should be as easy as dropping the JARs into App somewhere and configuring the INI.
18:03:51 <KwukDuck> until i noticed somebody requesting the app, so i tought i'd put it on the foruum
18:04:19 <JohnTHaller> KwukDuck: No worries. Just repost it without Java included and I'll update the topic to remove al the other stuff so people can get to testing it.
18:04:37 <JohnTHaller> Oh, and make sure it's in PA.c Format
18:04:46 <JohnTHaller> Gringoloco_: I just added the rights to your account, that's all
18:05:15 <JohnTHaller> Gringoloco_: It's not dynamically generated. And the release team list is totally out of date on the team page.
18:06:39 <Simeon> should we delete the list and start anew?
18:07:02 <JohnTHaller> We'll wait until the team is finished forming and see who is left standing.
18:07:10 <Simeon> thats better
18:07:33 <Simeon> it started as an idea a couple days ago here and now we get more and more - Ilike it.
18:07:35 <ZachThibeau> well I'm definetly still wanting in for the release team
18:07:41 <KwukDuck> thanks JohnTHaller, i'll look into the format
18:07:44 <Gringoloco_> Simeon: concratulations, officially part of the team :)
18:08:06 <Simeon> Thx - you too! ;)
18:08:09 <JohnTHaller> KwukDuck: Sure thing. And if you have any questions on getting things running, feel free to pop in here or post in the app development forum. We'll help you out.
18:08:13 <Gringoloco_> :)
18:08:33 <Simeon> you just need to inscribe yourself to the list
18:08:38 <KwukDuck> well it was a personal 'project' so i have to read up on all the rules and formatting O_o
18:08:44 <Simeon> (or is it inscribe in?)
18:09:06 <JohnTHaller> KwukDuck: It's not super-complicated. And be sure and check out our existing apps to see how it's all done. Learning by example is often easiest.
18:09:25 <KwukDuck> thats how i got it to work in the first place xD
18:10:53 <Simeon> thats how everyone here except John got into portableapps! ;)
18:11:18 <JohnTHaller> I started it by creating a BAT file that told Firefox where to put its profile and zipping it up and hosting it on JohnHaller.com :D
18:11:30 <KwukDuck> hehe
18:11:49 <Simeon> no trademark-worries back then?
18:11:56 <KwukDuck> well the structure is already according to PA.c afaik...
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18:12:17 <JohnTHaller> Nope. Firefox 0.7+. Not even trademarked back then.
18:12:52 <JohnTHaller> KwukDuck: If the structure is all there including the AppInfo section and files, then you just need to run PA.c Installer on it and it'll create the installer for you.
18:12:57 <ZachThibeau> ahh memories :P
18:13:00 <Simeon> how times have changed...
18:13:17 <ZachThibeau> yeah I know, I remember when PortableApps.com first started :P
18:13:17 <Simeon> hi ZachThibeau
18:13:22 <Simeon> I dont :(
18:13:23 <ZachThibeau> howdy Simeon
18:13:46 <JohnTHaller> Alright, must run to meet a friend for lunch. I'll be back in a bit...
18:13:50 <ZachThibeau> I've been around since the creation of PortableApps.com (give or take 3-4 months or so)
18:13:54 <ZachThibeau> later John
18:14:05 <Simeon> mark still isnt in the Release Team List - guess hes trying to figure out where to put his name :)
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18:14:07 <Simeon> bye John
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18:15:41 <JohnTHaller> Yeah. PA.c launched on Dec 8, 2005. Before that, the apps and the suite were on JohnHaller.com starting with Portable Firefox 0.7+ which I posted in March of 2004.
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18:25:30 <KwukDuck> Am i allowed to actualy pack multiple programs into one?
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18:26:30 <Simeon> how do you mean?
18:26:49 <Simeon> are they open source
18:26:50 <KwukDuck> well im trying to make a portable I2P
18:27:08 <Simeon> how is the local package?
18:27:10 <KwukDuck> but I2P is more of a platform to run other apps on top of
18:27:32 <KwukDuck> thats the reason i made a pack in the first place, to have all usefull stuff in one little package
18:27:50 <Simeon> if the license permits repackagi4ng,or you got clearance from the authors, I dont see a problem.
18:28:16 <Simeon> only thing: would you need a separate launcher for them or is something like that already included
18:29:08 <KwukDuck> i created exe launchers from bat files to launch the other files properly from the portableapps launcher
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18:31:17 <Simeon> so its one Launcher (=icon that shows up in the menu)?
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18:32:13 <KwukDuck> yes, and that launcher reads the exe files in the sub folders of /PortableApps/*
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18:32:42 <KwukDuck> so there's a /PortableApps/I2P-Fox and a /PortableApps/I2P-Messenger
18:32:54 <KwukDuck> and those are listed in the launcher
18:33:25 <Simeon> how does the launcher know which exe he has to start?
18:34:02 <KwukDuck> idk, it's still old launcher version 1.5, it just reads all the exe's in the subfolders and puts those in the menu
18:34:18 <MaienM> KwukDuck: I'm thinking it would make more sense to have each program have it's own launcher which uses (and depends on) I2P, similar to java/JRE apps
18:34:32 <Simeon> MaienM: thats what I thought.
18:34:58 <MaienM> you want to keep the listing/running of apps to the platform, instead of creating submenu's/lists for different libraries or such
18:35:00 <Simeon> how many separate are there?
18:35:45 <KwukDuck> uhm, theres the I2P Launcher, I2P-Fox, I2P-Messenger, and iMule
18:35:52 <KwukDuck> so 3 apps running on I2P
18:36:05 <KwukDuck> the rest is integrated in I2P itsself
18:36:17 <Simeon> and if I run the Messanger and the I2P Launcher isnt running?
18:36:35 <KwukDuck> it'll pop an error saying it can't find the SAM bridge xD
18:37:21 <Simeon> ah
18:37:47 <KwukDuck> it would be best if i2p started together with the launcher
18:38:28 <Simeon> but then if I start the messenger when I2P-Fox is already running it would restart it
18:38:40 <KwukDuck> hm not good
18:40:18 <Simeon> I acnt think of a good solution - maybe someone else here has an idea?
18:40:34 <KwukDuck> well it's not a big issue realy i think
18:40:47 <KwukDuck> people just have to know they should start I2P before other apps will work
18:40:52 <Simeon> yes.
18:41:38 <KwukDuck> would you care to take a look at current pack? see how things are stuck together, what should be totaly changed or not
18:41:42 <Simeon> make a big note on the page and on the help.html included in the root of the packages.
18:42:36 <KwukDuck> i could rename the launcher button to "CLICK ME FIRST"
18:42:45 <Simeon> no
18:42:48 <KwukDuck> hehe
18:43:04 <Simeon> if its in the menu among VLC and Firefox and all other apps noone would know what it meant.
18:44:03 <Simeon> Maybe you could include it into the Messenger and -Fox packages and have it check if its already running and it wont start it if it is. Would require some more work though and probably be not easy to do.
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18:44:25 <Simeon> bye all - gotta go
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18:44:37 <KwukDuck> cya later Smieon
18:44:38 <KwukDuck> *
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19:00:22 <Sam___> does this work on windows ce
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19:01:56 <Sam___> @Gizmodkid2005
19:02:06 <Gizmokid2005> no Sam___
19:02:26 <Sam___> oh why
19:02:36 <Gizmokid2005> because it's not a full version of windows.
19:02:42 <Sam___> oh ok thanks
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19:14:01 <KwukDuck> omnomnom
19:14:34 <KwukDuck> im trying to make an installer, but it crashes after i filled in all the details (interactive mode)
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21:02:58 <pa_6669> help
21:03:14 <OliverK> state your problem, and we'll see what we can do
21:04:42 <KwukDuck> :)
21:04:59 <pa_6669> for some reason autorun stoped working it wanted to open in another program. I deleted the other program now auto run doesn' run at all when I insert my usb drive?
21:06:46 <OliverK> reinstall the platform
21:07:04 <pa_6669> Thanks
21:07:11 <OliverK> your welcome
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21:07:17 <gluxon> pa_6669: No, don't reinstall it.
21:07:20 <gluxon> ..
21:07:28 <gluxon> Install over it >_<
21:07:35 <OliverK> that's what I meant
21:07:45 <OliverK> I guess I should have clarified :(
21:07:51 <gluxon> Some people may take reinstall as... delete everything and do another install :P
21:07:57 <OliverK> reinstall the platform, by installing over
21:08:01 <OliverK> oh, crap.
21:08:15 <OliverK> well, his fault :p should have asked if that was what I meant
21:09:21 <gluxon> :P
21:09:27 <OliverK> hehe
21:09:44 <gluxon> I missed him by barely a half second :(
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