IRC Log from 2010-12-01

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00:22:06 <OliverK> who's got mod privs at the site? this guy needs some help: http://portableapps.com/node/23675#comment-164903
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00:28:22 <OliverK> ZachThibeau_: hey
00:31:21 <OliverK> ZachThibeau_: hello?
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00:37:21 <ChrisMorgan> OliverK: what do you think should be done about that? I tend to just ignore such things in general, they're misguided people trying to help normally.
00:40:09 <OliverK> obfusticate his email is what I was going for
00:42:35 <ChrisMorgan> I never bother with that, myself. Obvious obfuscation is obvious to modern spam bots... and the wordy type that confuses spam bots seems to often confuse humans (much more than I'd expect)...
00:43:30 <OliverK> fine
00:43:55 <ChrisMorgan> (And, if they've done it that way they probably don't care.)
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01:39:26 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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02:02:45 <ZachThibeau> howdy folks
02:02:56 <JohnTHaller> ho - la
02:03:01 <OliverK> 'ello
02:03:12 <ZachThibeau> how's everyone tonight
02:04:39 <OliverK> alive
02:05:50 <JohnTHaller> hangin in. but sleepy.
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02:07:01 <ZachThibeau> at least you aren't sick at the moment
02:10:48 <JohnTHaller> I spent all of last month sick with bronchitis. I don't think I wanna do that again. Whatcha got?
02:13:35 <ZachThibeau> head cold that won't go away
02:13:49 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: sore teeth count? I had to go to the orthodontist yesterday...
02:13:49 <ZachThibeau> been plagueing me since saturday
02:14:06 <ChrisMorgan> Not quite in the same league as bronchitis, but it's the best I can manage at the moment ;-)
02:15:51 <JohnTHaller> Braces?
02:16:17 <JohnTHaller> Ah. Mine started as a head cold... and kept getting worse. Of course, saying "I'm not sick" and going to the gym anyway probably didn't help.
02:17:13 <ZachThibeau> well my colds sometimes turn into pneumonia most of the time it
02:17:21 <ZachThibeau> it's a result of my weak lungs
02:17:28 <ZachThibeau> mostly related to my asthma
02:19:06 <JohnTHaller> Ouch, no fun. They think about giving you antibiotics as a precautionary measure?
02:19:44 <ZachThibeau> taking some already
02:20:01 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, braces to pull an impacted canine into place.
02:20:09 <JohnTHaller> also fun. i don't miss em
02:20:14 <JohnTHaller> ZachThibeau: Ah good
02:20:30 * ChrisMorgan can't understand how anyone would ever voluntarily use braces
02:21:08 <ZachThibeau> I didn't
02:23:01 <JohnTHaller> I did for 3 years. Pretty bad overbite.
02:24:35 <ZachThibeau> my jaw corrected itself, but originally they said if they had the choice, my jaw would of been broken and reset and I would of had head gear and I said let's wait and see
02:25:22 <JohnTHaller> Good to wait and see.
02:26:14 * OliverK avoided braces
02:26:37 <OliverK> though, I did have all of my wisdom teeth removed at the same time
02:27:12 <JohnTHaller> Ah, that sounds unfun from what I heard. I don't have any wisdom teeth. As in they're not just under the gums... they're physically not there.
02:27:12 <ZachThibeau> I still have mine, 3 of them are poking out, doesn't bother me,
02:28:29 <ZachThibeau> mine are there and showing themselves but I have a bit of a bigger mouth than most people
02:28:47 <ZachThibeau> yes I just called myself a big mouth
02:28:52 <OliverK> :D
02:29:03 <OliverK> supposedly my mouth would have been to small
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02:38:50 <ChrisMorgan> With my wisdom teeth they decided they would have caused trouble in a few years due to the angle of the wisdom teeth, so it was easiest to pull 'em out while exposing the impacted canine (which was damaging the roots of my front teeth)
02:40:27 <JohnTHaller> Someone on reddit drew this helpful drawing: http://i.imgur.com/OM9c6.jpg
02:41:05 <OliverK> :D
02:42:01 <OliverK> I actaully blocked reddit on my lan :/
02:42:09 <OliverK> I don't feel like unblocking it
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02:42:17 <JohnTHaller> Hah. Too tempting?
02:42:26 <pa_0654> Hi!
02:42:59 <pa_0654> I'm running Windows 7 and I can't run firefox portable
02:43:06 <OliverK> JohnTHaller: nope, did it on accident and just don't care to undo it
02:43:10 <OliverK> pa_0654: hi
02:43:17 <OliverK> any errors?
02:43:41 <OliverK> or does it just "not run"
02:43:45 <pa_0654> only a BSOD
02:43:55 <pa_0654> not
02:43:55 <pa_0654> but in windows 7 pro
02:43:56 <pa_0654> in xp and vista is ok
02:45:48 <ChrisMorgan> pa_0654: a real BSOD? They've been practically abolished from Windows 7.
02:46:42 <pa_0654> This is my first BSOD in windows 7 :-)
02:47:02 <OliverK> that's odd . . . .
02:47:35 <JohnTHaller> An app itself can't cause a system crash. Really the only things that can in relation to Firefox is a drive issue (a REALLY bad one on the system drive) or a display driver.
02:48:20 <pa_0654> That's why I'm shocked
02:48:45 <JohnTHaller> You try a local copy of FF?
02:49:37 <pa_0654> Give me 5 minutes... back
02:55:38 <pa_0654> I tested it in Windows 7 starter and works.
02:55:50 <pa_0654> I'm thinking that is my machine
02:56:05 <JohnTHaller> where did you install FF portable?
02:56:56 <pa_0654> On a USB stick
02:57:07 <pa_0654> but I'm copying it localy to see
02:57:15 <JohnTHaller> Ok
02:57:36 <JohnTHaller> Try a fresh install locally. You can download the installer and run it directly and install to your desktop directory to test it.
02:57:53 <pa_0654> Yeah! is my computer
02:57:57 <pa_0654> localy it works
02:58:19 <JohnTHaller> Hmm. Try a fresh install on the USB drive, too. To a separate directory.
02:58:30 <pa_0654> the copy from the USB is working localy but not via USB
02:58:52 <pa_0654> I will try to format the memory and re-try a fresh install
02:59:00 <pa_0654> thanks every body
02:59:17 <pa_0654> Saludos desde México
02:59:23 <pa_0654> Greeting from México
02:59:44 <JohnTHaller> You're welcome. Hope it works for ya!
03:00:01 <pa_0654> Thanks
03:00:03 <pa_0654> bye
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03:36:34 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: Any more thoughts on how to handle moving files back and forth between App and Data and properly handling locked files, drive removal and PC crashes?
03:36:50 <ChrisMorgan> I was going to implement that this afternoon and release Beta 2 with it.
03:37:08 <JohnTHaller> Ah. How are you handling it?
03:38:55 <ChrisMorgan> How we discussed it earlier; when it's inside the package, if we can't Rename it, copy it; on startup if it exists in both locations then remove the Data one.
03:39:56 <JohnTHaller> Ah, excellent. That should handle it nicely, finally. As opposed to the old custom launchers where a couple of them sort of handle it but many do not.
03:42:05 <ChrisMorgan> I think we really need to start shifting all apps to PAL. I've become more and more aware of bugs, slight or important, in our apps when looking at them.
03:42:34 <JohnTHaller> I know. And a bunch of them are ANSI still even though the apps themselves are Unicode now.
03:42:37 <ChrisMorgan> Then also I think I'll be able to get out an alpha release of my Development Toolkit today. I presume it's OK for me to use all our branding?
03:43:10 <JohnTHaller> Related: I'm releasing a PA.c Installer update with the new 7-Zip 9.20 final in it. It works for all our online installers and works with Unicode properly.
03:43:19 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: Of course
03:43:25 <ChrisMorgan> They fixed the Skype installer? Good :-)
03:44:08 <JohnTHaller> Yeah. They fixed it in beta 9.18 or 9.19. I was checking them as they went. Wanted to wait for final to ensure it wasn't gonna disappear again.
03:44:18 <ChrisMorgan> Goody :-)
03:44:38 <ChrisMorgan> I was wondering whether I should store the fact that the Rename failed and was copied instead, but I've decided it's not an issue.
03:45:21 <JohnTHaller> You think it would make sense to have an override for apps that have a huge number of files in Data?
03:45:22 <ChrisMorgan> Sweet Home 3D 3.0 was released yesterday. I should look at the portability which was meant to be increased in it and see if it's worth while following it up at all.
03:45:43 <ChrisMorgan> And make it say "you need to close that first", or what?
03:46:51 <JohnTHaller> Does PAL handle the situation where the files are in App but not Data and not re-do DefaultData and then overwrite?
03:47:09 <JohnTHaller> I was thinking of disabling the copy entirely with no error... but I spose that wouldn't be a good idea.
03:47:52 <ChrisMorgan> The DefaultData copy is based on the existence of Data\settings, so it shouldn't be an issue.
03:48:08 <JohnTHaller> Ah good
03:48:54 <ChrisMorgan> I think I'll stop the developer moving settings completely as they're not meant to anyway. MessageBox MB_ICONSTOP "DON'T DO THAT! (You can't [DirectoriesMove] settings)"
03:49:16 <JohnTHaller> That's one way to let em know :D
03:50:18 <ChrisMorgan> Strings for the developer don't need to be translated, fortunately, or there'd be a lot more strings to have translated. I've put quite a number of safety-type ones in since 2.0.
03:51:06 <JohnTHaller> Nice. The more developer-friendly we can make it, the better. And it's ok to have those as English-only for now.
03:51:35 <ChrisMorgan> I'll be adding them to and perhaps shifting them into the Development Toolkit later.
03:52:08 <JohnTHaller> I'm curious to see the toolkit and how it balances with the PA.c Installer and Launcher in terms of error checking.
03:52:08 <ChrisMorgan> Along with my current plan to see if I can absorb the Installer into it (and simplify the Installer code base enormously).
03:52:22 <ChrisMorgan> Ever so much easier to do such checking.
03:52:46 <JohnTHaller> Eventually it may make sense to have one 'thing' (installer/launcher builder/toolkit checker)
03:53:19 <ChrisMorgan> Currently I raise PAFException("Error message") for critical problems (don't worry, it does get caught) or self.errors.append/self.warnings.append
03:54:04 <ChrisMorgan> And then the Installer button validates and stops you on errors or warns you for warnings.
03:54:41 <ChrisMorgan> And the best part of it all: that part of it in the Installer wizard generally takes 1-5 seconds; in Python I haven't been able to tell how fast it is because it just Happens.
03:54:52 <ChrisMorgan> NSIS is slow.
03:55:18 <JohnTHaller> I'm gonna have to brush up on my python
03:56:44 <ChrisMorgan> First though I'll fix this PAL thing and release that, then finish Development Toolkit Alpha 1 and release it.
03:57:04 <ChrisMorgan> Then I'll see if I've got any more time to release WinDjView and Data Crow.
03:57:05 <JohnTHaller> The sooner we can get PAL 2.1 out, the sooner we can push all apps onto it :)
03:57:28 <JohnTHaller> I'd like to get someone on a step by step walkthrough of it, too.
03:59:41 <ChrisMorgan> It was slightly depressing looking at a PAC walkthrough just to see what it did; at the end when it went to generate the executable it reported it had failed and the walker through said "it sometimes does that, don't worry about it" and went on to run the app - the reason it failed? In selecting where to put the launcher executable they had specified the base executable!
04:00:01 <JohnTHaller> ouch
04:00:14 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah. And this was the walkthrough linked to by the PAC author.
04:08:57 <ChrisMorgan> Wildcards will be an issue with this technique, I think.
04:09:07 <JohnTHaller> How come?
04:10:03 <ChrisMorgan> Foo*=%PAL:AppDir%\AppName will copy Foo* to %PAL:AppDir%\AppName\Foo*... that then at least makes a special case, I thnk.
04:10:41 <JohnTHaller> Ah
04:10:50 <ChrisMorgan> Normally we can just do "if target exists"... hmm... still thinking.
04:13:17 <ChrisMorgan> Mark... I need Mark to explain it to me! :P
04:13:26 <JohnTHaller> Hehe
04:13:31 <JohnTHaller> If only he were on the PAL dev team
04:13:37 <ChrisMorgan> He /is/
04:13:50 <JohnTHaller> /sarcasm
04:14:00 <ChrisMorgan> NSIS code becomes difficult to comprehend very easily.
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04:14:39 <JohnTHaller> It can yeah. I read NSIS and Pascal pretty well now. I'll have to re-learn python. I learned it enough to mess with Cornice a while back.
04:17:09 <ChrisMorgan> Python is just Python. You look at it and it explains itself to you ;-)
04:19:08 <ChrisMorgan> I mean, so long as you've got Python 3 you can even do ``import antigravity``.
04:21:00 <ChrisMorgan> And as for ``from __future__ import braces``...
04:21:16 <ChrisMorgan> SyntaxError: not a chance
04:27:19 * ChrisMorgan wonders if it's safe to ${Break} out of a ${ForEachPath}
04:27:38 <JohnTHaller> NSIS handles most of that pretty well, I think.
04:28:30 <ChrisMorgan> This is to do with Mark's code for looping through files/directories with wildcards... examining the code, I think it's safe.
04:29:03 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah, it is safe. Good.
04:29:05 <JohnTHaller> When's he gonna be on?
04:29:12 <ChrisMorgan> No idea.
04:35:29 <ChrisMorgan> Oh for Python's glob.glob and glob.has_magic instead of this nightmare of NSIS code...
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04:45:24 <ChrisMorgan> No, looks like it's actually Foo*=%PAL:AppDir%\AppName\Foo*. That simplifies it.
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05:38:43 <ChrisMorgan> OK, finally sorted out DirectoriesMove, I think. Now on to FilesMove.
05:39:43 <JohnTHaller> Nice
05:40:23 <JohnTHaller> I'm taking this evening to re-organize. I was up to two notepads of To Dos again and a ton of stuff on the desktop. Not to mention a dozen tabs of 'get to this sometime' open.
05:41:40 <ChrisMorgan> Hey, that's familiar. Except I regularly don't write it down so I forget it instead.
05:42:04 <JohnTHaller> I started using ToodleDo.com synced to Got To Do (paid) on my Android phone.
05:42:09 <ChrisMorgan> Fortunately DirectoriesMove and FilesMove are very similar so the second is a lot faster.
05:42:15 <JohnTHaller> Also nice
05:42:30 * ChrisMorgan uses a simple text file in gVim
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05:42:38 <GizmoBot> dbdii407 is Dave, Owner of the ScrapIRC Network.
05:43:10 <JohnTHaller> I did text files for a while. But wanted something with categories and contexts (ala GTD) and synced to a decent Android interface.
05:43:17 <JohnTHaller> All in all, if I had time, I'd write my own.
05:45:49 <ChrisMorgan> We always would, wouldn't we? :-)
05:47:13 <JohnTHaller> I had one nearly fully sketched out a while back. I think it would work really well. Probably could even be commercial.
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05:48:41 * ChrisMorgan has never paid for any software (unless you count a copy of Windows - since removed - on a second hand laptop)
05:50:26 <ChrisMorgan> Web-deployed apps are now quite a viable option, with jQuery Mobile and Sencha Touch out there to make good UIs.
05:52:05 <JohnTHaller> Except when you lose signal, of course
05:53:19 <ChrisMorgan> Why ever should that be an issue? We're talking modern mobile browsers, slap a cache manifest on your app and use local web storage and you're done! No need for an internet connection ever.
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05:56:36 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, we're JUST getting there.
05:58:01 <JohnTHaller> Ok, last tab finally closed.
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06:04:16 <JohnTHaller> time for tea
06:04:58 <ChrisMorgan> Good, compiled second time round (can't nest ${ForEach(File|Directory)} and I had tried to)
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06:23:01 <JohnTHaller> I think my router is basically dead
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06:30:06 <JohnTHaller1> Alright, I'm out. Gonna deal with the router in the AM
06:30:07 <JohnTHaller1> Gnight all
06:30:12 <ChrisMorgan> G'night
06:30:21 <OliverK> night
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06:49:47 <GizmoBot> sar3th hopes he will have more time for pa soon :/
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14:19:31 <bal> hi
14:20:00 <bal> i am try ing to creat an app portable
14:20:38 <bal> its defalt save directory is to c:user/documents
14:21:02 <bal> i wants to change it to the portable app doument folder
14:21:20 <bal> how can asine this ?
14:21:39 <bal> i try x:document/ workfolder
14:22:09 <bal> can any one help me ?
14:23:57 <bal> ?
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20:43:12 <TASAIRES> (MD5: 1aa1032ce8d38cb189e1d21776c437da)
20:43:22 <TASAIRES> TRojan infect!
20:47:19 <TASAIRES> http://www.virustotal.com/file-scan/report.html?id=b9a5ab2f52778899b9b700f40af94d21c7e59ef2ca860121fc047ad99c34170c-1291236345
20:48:27 <TASAIRES> Please i wait Closed this Infection from our Site ;) BYe!
20:49:26 <TASAIRES> http://www.virustotal.com/url-scan/report.html?id=4bf1a016adb70c122ec174c4e4f32229-1291232737
20:49:30 <TASAIRES> Bye bye
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21:52:43 <pa_0525> HELP!!!
21:53:46 <pa_0525> can i use this program with any application?
21:55:28 <sar3th> pa_0525: which program are you refering to?
21:55:52 <pa_0525> rosetta stone
21:56:53 <sar3th> sorry, i fail to see how rosetta stone is related to portableapps
21:58:24 <pa_0525> so i can keep studing while i travel without having to bring my computer
22:05:03 <pa_0525> so...
22:05:09 <pa_0525> can i work?
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23:46:38 <pa_5740> Can SpyDLLRemover Portable be used for commercial purposes?
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23:56:39 <pa_5740> ChrisMorgan: Hello?
23:57:40 <ChrisMorgan> pa_5740: look at its license.
23:59:39 <pa_5740> Would it happen to be in the .ini file for the app?