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01:33:00 <ChrisMorgan> OK, I think it's time for me to build PAL 2.1 Beta 2.
01:34:44 <JohnTHaller> Cool beans
01:34:50 <JohnTHaller> How close to a final you think it is?
01:36:06 <ChrisMorgan> I'd just like it checked with the current Opera, to make sure this is doing what it should, then I think I'll sign off on it.
01:36:25 <ChrisMorgan> OK, uploaded, now to update the topic...
01:36:48 <JohnTHaller> Ok. I'll do Opera Beta 1 with it included.
01:37:05 <ChrisMorgan> Make sure you test it first, of course.
01:38:12 <JohnTHaller> Well, yeah
01:54:05 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: No INI changes are needed from PAL 2.0 to 2.1 correct?
01:54:53 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: no
01:55:34 <ChrisMorgan> There's a new value which I recommend setting, though; [Launch]:DirectoryMoveOK=yes|no|warn
01:56:38 <JohnTHaller> What does it assume if it is not there?
02:01:19 <ChrisMorgan> warn
02:01:43 <ChrisMorgan> "The path to $AppNamePortable has changed, since it was last started, from $LastDirectory to $CurrentDirectory. Moving portable apps like this is not advised, and some features may not work. Are you sure you want to continue?"
02:02:21 <JohnTHaller> I just remembered something I should have brought up earlier.... the ability to do a custom launcher name overriding AppID. Otherwise it generates OperaPortableTest instead of OperaPortable for things like betas, alphas, nightlies, etc.
02:03:02 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... I see.
02:03:36 <JohnTHaller> For now. I have to change the AppID, generate it, and change it back.
02:04:10 <ChrisMorgan> How do you think it should work it out? Look at what's in App\AppInfo\Launcher\*.ini?
02:04:36 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, that might work.
02:04:59 <JohnTHaller> It's not critical atm, since it is literally ONLY Opera at the moment. Since we don't use PAL for Google Chrome or Firefox.
02:05:22 <ChrisMorgan> There was a request for it anyway, for the ability to work with multiple launchers.
02:05:35 <JohnTHaller> But then how do they work with each other?
02:06:10 <ChrisMorgan> That's something which hasn't been addressed yet.
02:06:32 <JohnTHaller> Which apps would need two launchers and why, since they won't work together anyway?
02:07:38 <ChrisMorgan> Which were they... I can't really remember.
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02:15:58 <ChrisMorgan> Not sure why I didn't think of that. The easy solution for "their version of docutils is broken!": ``easy_install docutils``. Manual is back up.
02:16:24 <JohnTHaller> Nice
02:16:35 <JohnTHaller> Posted Opera 11 Beta 1 with PAL 2.1 Beta 2 in it.
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02:17:35 <ChrisMorgan> Seemed to work as designed to do?
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02:18:23 <JohnTHaller> I didn't check the file locking out. But it works just fine normally.
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02:35:01 <ChrisMorgan> ZachThibeau: in irc.mozilla.org#audio someone complained of XChat not showing the userlist, recommended he look at PChat and he's switched. He reckons it's faster, too.
02:49:08 <JohnTHaller> Think I'm gonna do XN Resource Editor as a PAL release due to the bugs found in the old version: http://portableapps.com/node/14024#comment-123297
03:04:09 <ZachThibeau> ChrisMorgan: nice :)
03:04:44 <JohnTHaller> Indeed :)
03:04:57 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: I think we're about at the time when we should stop accepting (without good reason) new releases not using PAL.
03:05:16 <ZachThibeau> I seriously need to fix some stuff in PChat to make it compilable in linux again >_<
03:05:47 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: how's Mixxx going, it was about ready for release, wasn't it?
03:06:26 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, I'm gonna be on that as part of the blitz
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03:40:13 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: CloseEXE=XNResourceEditor.exe isn't required
03:40:22 <JohnTHaller> automatic right?
03:41:08 <ChrisMorgan> Yeah
03:41:23 <ChrisMorgan> That's for an additional executable to close.
03:41:42 <ChrisMorgan> Has anything been done with that report about HKLM\Software\Woozle?
03:43:17 <ChrisMorgan> Other\Source isn't right :-(
03:44:17 <ChrisMorgan> "Description=XN Resource Editor Portable is the popular XN Resource Editor packaged as a portable app, so you can take your modify resources, get icons and change apps on the go."
03:44:30 <ChrisMorgan> I'd change that to "Description=XN Resource Editor helps you modify resources, get icons and change apps"
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06:11:06 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: Were you planning on continuing WinDjView Portable?
06:11:14 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: yep
06:11:35 <JohnTHaller> Ok, cool. Someone on PFC asked about it and I was gonna refer them to yours.
06:11:57 <JohnTHaller> If you get it updated with current PAL/PAF, I say we'll release it this month, cool?
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06:12:36 <ChrisMorgan> Yep. I was very surprised to find that along with Code::Blocks (first and second fluctuate a bit), it's my most popular app.
06:13:36 * ChrisMorgan tries recreating the package from scratch with his Development Toolkit
06:13:44 <JohnTHaller> heh
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06:32:29 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: think I might actually switch from WinDjView to WinDjView-subpix, http://code.google.com/p/windjview-subpix/ - same as WinDjView except with a new option for subpixel rendering.
06:34:04 <JohnTHaller> When I checked last year, WinDjView was getting about 100x the downloads.
06:34:22 <JohnTHaller> Oh wait
06:34:36 <JohnTHaller> I was referring to DjVuLibre or something similar.
06:35:47 <JohnTHaller> When did WinDjView actually come out anyway?
06:36:58 <ChrisMorgan> August last year.
06:37:01 <ChrisMorgan> For 1.0.3, that is.
06:37:50 <JohnTHaller> Dunno about using subpix. If WinDjView is using Windows font rendering internally, it would already be subpxel renderred according to the OS settings.
06:38:00 <ChrisMorgan> It's not.
06:38:19 <JohnTHaller> subpix has 2000 downloads since april. windjview itself gets 20,000 a day.
06:38:22 <ChrisMorgan> Basically, it does its own rendering entirely.
06:38:27 <JohnTHaller> ah
06:38:45 <ChrisMorgan> Basically, these are the changes and this is how it's all done: http://code.google.com/p/windjview-subpix/source/diff?spec=svn5&r=5&format=side&path=/trunk/Scaling.cpp
06:39:22 <JohnTHaller> Wonder why they don't just accept the patch and the go by the OS settings of whether cleartype is enabled.
06:39:39 <ChrisMorgan> I think it just renders really big and then scales down to the desired size - but with subpix turned on, it does it in three channels rather than one.
06:40:26 <ChrisMorgan> Well, WinDjView hasn't had anything much happen to it since last year, except for the installer being modified in June (not sure what that means)
06:40:42 <JohnTHaller> Updated to work better with Win7 perhaps
06:40:50 <ChrisMorgan> Could be.
06:41:10 <ChrisMorgan> I only noticed WinDjView-subpix because I happened to look at http://djvu.org/ to see if I could actually find a djvu file to test it on.
06:44:04 <JohnTHaller> I know. I did, tooo. I found a couple./
06:46:20 <JohnTHaller> Ah, I know why the installer was updated. He added in the Yandex toolbar if you add Russian language support.
06:46:26 <ChrisMorgan> Ah.
06:46:35 * ChrisMorgan hasn't actually ever opened a djvu file in WinDjView :P
06:46:50 <JohnTHaller> http://djvu.org/docs/DjVu3Spec.djvu
06:47:22 <ChrisMorgan> Yep, found a couple.
06:48:13 <JohnTHaller> We'll stick with WinDjView. The smallfont stuff is easier to read without the subpix rendering. It looks like ClearType without being properly tweaked.
06:48:28 <ChrisMorgan> Ooh, evince can open djvu files...
06:48:29 <JohnTHaller> WinDjView-subpix also doesn't properly open files dragged onto it.
06:49:18 <ChrisMorgan> Doesn't it? OK then, WinDjView it is.
06:49:38 <JohnTHaller> Drag a file on it and it just sits there. You gotta do file-open or click the open icon
06:49:59 <JohnTHaller> Must be a bug in the release, since it shows that it should be droppable.
06:50:53 <ChrisMorgan> Could be something to do with the compiler used.
06:50:59 <ChrisMorgan> You could submit a bug report at http://code.google.com/p/windjview-subpix/issues/list
06:52:03 <JohnTHaller> yeah, compiler issue would make the most sense
06:52:32 <ChrisMorgan> Seeing as the code changes are minimal.
06:52:47 <JohnTHaller> Nah. Gotta use your google login and stuff. I only have one and it is private.
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16:33:49 <Simeon> hi Zach
16:33:52 <ZachThibeau> howdy Simeon
16:33:59 <ZachThibeau> whats up
16:34:08 <Simeon> weekend :)
16:34:15 <ZachThibeau> booya :D
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16:36:54 <Simeon> testing apps - updating mine - that sort of thing
16:37:05 <Simeon> and alittle bit of personal life too ;)
16:37:37 <ZachThibeau> well I have some apps I've tested, but atm kind of busy with fixing some stuff in getting PChat compilable on linux again
16:37:56 <Simeon> what broke compatability?
16:38:03 <ZachThibeau> thats what I get for having a team member that's used to programing on windows only xD
16:38:27 <ZachThibeau> mostly stuff related to unsigned integers linux and windows handles them differently
16:38:37 <Simeon> bummer
16:39:30 <ZachThibeau> like on windows it's unsigned int 32; but on linux it's uint32_t; and this is throughout the whole source which caused issues galore
16:39:57 <Simeon> what language is it coded in?
16:40:15 <ZachThibeau> c++
16:40:50 <Simeon> Im again a bit into learning python.
16:41:13 <Simeon> I have an idea for a new app and NSIS might be too weak :)
16:42:23 <ZachThibeau> well I'm also working on a chillplayer rewrite, I'm torn on whether to code my own media engine or use wxwidgets wxmediactrl which would use os codecs on the host pc
16:42:51 <ZachThibeau> the other issue though is that wxmediactrl will also make it a video player which I technically don't really want, so I may code my own engine
16:43:05 <Simeon> arent there a variety of engines out there?
16:43:20 <ZachThibeau> not with the options I have in mind
16:43:38 <ZachThibeau> and a lot of them not really gnu gpl compatible either
16:43:58 <Simeon> you want one without video ability?
16:44:29 <ZachThibeau> well coolplayer was primarily a audio player and I'm keeping to that
16:44:34 <Simeon> good
16:44:47 <Simeon> keeps it smaller and lighter
16:44:51 <ZachThibeau> yup
16:45:13 <Simeon> thats what I have it for on my stick. it starts way faster
16:45:40 <ZachThibeau> the issue with my rewrite is that I won't have skinning support, at least not right away
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16:46:24 <Simeon> ah - the rewrite isnt where the original is now.
16:46:34 <Simeon> hi TASAIRES
16:46:50 <Simeon> why the rewrite in the first place?
16:46:53 <ZachThibeau> let's say CoolPlayer's code is a complete mess and is still a security risk waiting to happen
16:47:09 <Simeon> ok
16:47:28 <ZachThibeau> I've patched the current security risks but looking at the code, it's a complete mess and not really worth fixing it really
16:47:40 <Simeon> i under stand
16:47:50 <ZachThibeau> I can't stand messy code
16:47:51 <TASAIRES> Simeon: Hello
16:47:51 <Simeon> that was supposed to be one word
16:48:06 <Simeon> Argh- I just missed a full house
16:48:17 <Simeon> by folding too early.
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16:50:10 <TASAIRES> Simeon: The other day! (2 or 3 late) i write on this, a problem with BETA Unlocker Lauch - by Portableapps.com
16:50:30 <Simeon> ?
16:50:49 <TASAIRES> Simeon: I use manual mode (homemade) portable, unnoficialment
16:50:50 <ZachThibeau> TASAIRES: it's not supported by PortableApps.com btw
16:52:04 <Simeon> I had a weirtd problem with the new XN Res Editor. I opened a PA.com installer and id threw out an error about the icon. But as I had clicked on the Icon res and so it kepr throwing the error and I couldnt click somplace else cause the errorbox prevented it.
16:52:08 <TASAIRES> Simeon: i use this App on my PC "unlocker" and see on Forum, Portableapps a Launcher, for help this app and use with support on Portableapp.com
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16:52:45 <TASAIRES> Simeon: but i pass by ANTIVIRUS,and this detect a Trojank inside
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16:53:12 <Simeon> probably a false positive. Did you check with an online scanner?
16:53:26 <ZachThibeau> he did iirc with virus total and jotti
16:53:26 <TASAIRES> Simeon: before pass by Virus Total, and alls Core Antivirus detect some o similar info
16:53:45 <ZachThibeau> it's one of wraithdu's projects btw
16:53:56 <ZachThibeau> which is unsupported since it's not an official app
16:54:10 <TASAIRES> Simeon: by taht reason i infor, beccause me apparent NOT FALSE positive
16:55:03 <TASAIRES> Simeon: http://portableapps.com/node/12210
16:55:09 <Simeon> is the launcher NSIS? could be written in AHK or so which scanners frequently arn about as viruses are often coded in it.
16:55:25 <TASAIRES> Download Unlocker Portable 1.0.0.9 [691KB download / 590KB installed]
16:55:25 <TASAIRES> (MD5: 1aa1032ce8d38cb189e1d21776c437da)
16:56:03 <TASAIRES> Simeon: i pass by here the file http://www.virustotal.com/
16:57:18 <Simeon> brb
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16:58:30 <TASAIRES> Simeon: my AV is "Comodo Internet Security PREMIUM" v_50.0163652.1142 - Free
17:00:57 <TASAIRES> Simeon: The Unlocker Portable 1.0.0.9 [Only Launcher] ->TrojanWare.Win32.Trojan.Agent.Gen@96421061
17:01:28 <TASAIRES> Simeon: wait that help!
17:02:47 <TASAIRES> I Love PortableApps.com and don like bad codes (hack tools working), on this nice Project!
17:05:42 <Simeon> Mine (avira antivir) gives a warning too. Guess its a virus then. and its 2 years old - looks like your pretty out of luck.
17:06:08 <Simeon> Problem with this app is that it needs Admin rights anyhow iirc
17:11:01 <TASAIRES> XD, not aparence a Wrong Alert or Fake Positive
17:11:19 <Simeon> yes
17:14:32 <TASAIRES> Simeon: i have my USB Device with PortableApps.com oficial pack, and any not oficial from other sources (Freeware Portable, and app-stick)
17:14:55 <TASAIRES> Simeon: my favorite apps MiX ;)
17:15:02 <Simeon> nice
17:17:09 <TASAIRES> Include irc Client, i are using NOw, Pchat Portable v1.2 (Oficial PortableApps) and Launcher PortableApps v2.0.5 Beta with Update
17:18:29 <Simeon> I have Pidgin, PokerTH and the Platform running.
17:18:31 <ZachThibeau> 1.3.1 of PChat will be released shortly ;)
17:18:43 <Simeon> bugfix release.
17:18:47 <Simeon> I suppose
17:18:59 <ZachThibeau> I had 1.3 ready then I had an issue with icons, mostly where colour blind users were concerned
17:19:20 <ZachThibeau> so not really a bug fix but mostly a last minute feature addition
17:19:55 <Simeon> Nice to have an eye on people who have hear/see problems (cant think of the official term)
17:20:35 <ZachThibeau> well a guy in my channel can see certain colours so he isn't totally colour blind but it made me think of them anyways
17:21:02 <Simeon> you have your own channel?
17:21:06 <ZachThibeau> yup
17:21:08 <ZachThibeau> #pchat
17:21:32 <TASAIRES> XD i are usin "Opera USB Edition", more time , and PortableApps release Opera how new app , not there more time.
17:21:34 <ZachThibeau> it's where my team and myself go and discuss changes etc
17:21:55 <Simeon> sounds resonable
17:22:01 <ZachThibeau> yup
17:22:08 <TASAIRES> Now i are using 2 Opera, "Opera USB Edition" and "Opera Portable"
17:22:13 <ZachThibeau> btw since the first month of 2010 till today PChat Portable has recieved 35,363
17:22:23 <Simeon> nice number
17:22:25 <ZachThibeau> downloads that is
17:22:42 <Simeon> i figured
17:22:47 <ZachThibeau> well seeing toucan recieving 1 million made me check my download stats
17:22:56 <TASAIRES> and How radio Online Apps, use more Old time! "Screamer Radio"
17:22:56 <ZachThibeau> kind of got me curious :P
17:23:31 <TASAIRES> Now see RadioSure! and are test it too!
17:25:22 <TASAIRES> and me like more Eject USB with "EjectUSB" app, work for me Best that Eject Option include on Launcher by PortableApps!
17:26:13 <TASAIRES> More are Extern Apps, to PortableApps
17:26:24 <TASAIRES> External?
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17:59:13 <Simeon> Hi John! :)
17:59:17 <JohnTHaller> Hola
18:03:57 <Simeon> Whats up wiht the page search?http://portableapps.com/search/node/Alyzer is empty but I know there is http://portableapps.com/node/23638???
18:04:39 <JohnTHaller> alyzer isn't a word
18:04:49 <JohnTHaller> it only searchs on words, not partials
18:04:53 <Simeon> ah
18:04:58 <JohnTHaller> ortable won't find portable
18:05:13 <Simeon> ok thanks
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18:29:42 <GizmoBot> OliverK is a programmer, podcaster, html spelunker and pretty handy with a screwdriver. In short, not to be trifled with.
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20:10:27 <Simeon> gnight all
20:10:47 <JohnTHaller> gnight Simeon
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20:23:12 <JohnTHaller> ok lunchtime. back later
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20:36:37 <Simeon> @JohnTHaller: I just discovered that I forgot to update the WAtomicPortable.ini file to PAL so it has too many entried. Does that warrant a revision? I think not.
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20:52:16 <MarkSikkema> I'm experiencing lots of errors running WAtomicP on win XP sp3 ?
20:52:36 <MarkSikkema> is there anybody else on Win XP
20:53:48 <Gizmokid2005> not I
20:54:40 <ZachThibeau> Windows 7 for me
20:55:20 <MarkSikkema> It's just odd, can't even play the game (maybe it's something with my system)
20:56:22 <MarkSikkema> brb
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21:02:50 <MarkSikkema> I just ran it on my girl-friends PC (same OS) and runs fine, must be something with my lap-top :(
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21:18:05 <GizmoBot> Krevilo is OliverKrevilo
21:21:38 <dboki89> MarkSikkema: I'm on XP SP3, will check now
21:21:54 <dboki89> ^WAtomic Portable, I mean
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21:30:43 <dboki89> WAtomic seems to work fine for me, no errors yet
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21:41:47 <MarkSikkema> dboki89: Thanx,I did test it on another machine aswell without errors
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21:50:06 <dboki89> you're welcome.. hope it's just some small dependency you're missing
21:52:01 <MarkSikkema> Hope so aswell, as this are the kind of game I like !
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22:06:36 <MarkSikkema> aai, my laptop is giving up on me :(
22:06:57 <MarkSikkema> brb
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22:10:50 <Gringoloco> back to Gringoloco , that's odd
22:13:02 <dboki89> laptop crash?
22:13:11 <dboki89> ah, lol
22:13:17 <Gringoloco> lol ?
22:13:24 <dboki89> GizmoBot only delivered my old message now
22:13:42 <dboki89> you probably received it
22:13:51 <dboki89> .tell Gringoloco
22:13:52 <Gringoloco> not really a crash, but just blocked, my harddisk is dying I think
22:14:16 <Gringoloco> yes probably cause you send it to Gringoloco
22:14:29 <dboki89> yep, I did
22:15:13 <Gringoloco> wonder how I lost my settings, PChat doesn't move any files or folders ?
22:15:32 <dboki89> no, AFAIK it reads profile from Data
22:21:39 <ChrisMorgan> Gringoloco: any chance of a code review for http://portableapps.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/portableapps/launcher/rev/57bd3024808c ? I think I've got it all right and I've gone through it, but it's a fairly high profile part of PAL that's altered, don't want any slight mistakes.
22:22:57 <Gringoloco> I'm just having a look at Opera beta 1, to see if that's fixed
22:23:49 <ChrisMorgan> Good, I was planning on testing it in there too, code review would be good as well though.
22:24:09 <Gringoloco> but have to go to bed soon, mind you the weekend is starting, will find some time in the weekend to go throught it all, especially the wildcard stuff
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22:25:16 <ChrisMorgan> Yep, I had to bend my mind around how it worked with wildcards and all :-)
22:25:42 <ChrisMorgan> NSIS can make code very difficult to understand very easily.
22:30:58 <Gringoloco> All works well, no matter if a file is locked :)
22:33:42 <ChrisMorgan> Good :-)
22:34:28 * Gringoloco wants a new PC for X-mass :)
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22:47:41 <gluxon> pa_0512: Need help with anything?
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22:47:58 <ChrisMorgan> No.
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