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04:29:20 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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05:07:03 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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05:15:18 <ZachThibeau> howdy John,
05:15:23 <JohnTHaller> hola
05:15:27 <JohnTHaller> how goes it
05:15:32 <ZachThibeau> tomorrow I'll be sending you a PChat update
05:15:42 <JohnTHaller> cool. i'll post it
05:15:56 <ZachThibeau> decided to go completely oxygen and the mswindows theme for gtk works properly again
05:16:49 <JohnTHaller> very nice
05:17:05 <ZachThibeau> the oxygen icons I've used should address the concern I had with some colour blind users not being able to differentiate the icons
05:17:32 <JohnTHaller> I just finished some hacking on the platform. Got the Uninstall window responsive again on Vista/7. So no more thinking the app crashed. I may even work a progress bar into it.
05:17:40 <ZachThibeau> nice
05:18:24 <JohnTHaller> Very happy about that. Just a matter of having Delphi process Windows messages in the middle of doing recursive DeleteTrees
05:19:56 <ZachThibeau> oh and most notably Python plugin and possibly tcl should be supported too so the plugin installer could be updated to include python and tcl
05:20:20 <JohnTHaller> Your call on that one. Enough people use it?
05:20:42 <ZachThibeau> I had people ask for it on my channel
05:20:58 <JohnTHaller> Ah ok
05:21:05 <JohnTHaller> Looks like your fork is getting popular :)
05:21:11 <ZachThibeau> yes it is
05:21:16 <JohnTHaller> Maybe we can help get you to surpass X-Chat :)
05:21:39 <ZachThibeau> since the start of the project the Portable version last I checked was over 83 thousand downloads
05:21:52 <JohnTHaller> nice.
05:21:59 <ZachThibeau> so it's definetly getting there
05:21:59 <JohnTHaller> should be able to increase that once the app directory is done
05:22:55 <ZachThibeau> Steve said he'll try and help check out 2.0's source and hopefully provide some clues what could be done to improve it so we can go beta
05:23:11 <JohnTHaller> Also cool
05:23:20 <JohnTHaller> Maybe we can get you hitting a million like Toucan
05:23:27 <ZachThibeau> be nice
05:24:13 <ZachThibeau> funny, people from xchat said PChat 2.0 would be a joke, wouldn't be possible, well I think my team and myself did a bang up job for at least getting an alpha started and working too
05:24:32 <JohnTHaller> Why did they say it would be a joke? And who said it?
05:25:32 <ZachThibeau> I can't exactly remember who said it, but it was some people who were working on xchat's svn
05:25:53 <ZachThibeau> not zed
05:26:00 <ZachThibeau> zed has been pretty quiet about it
05:26:14 <JohnTHaller> Be curious what his take on it all is.
05:26:28 <JohnTHaller> Probably not happy as it's probably costing him some sales.
05:26:37 <JohnTHaller> How is the Windows local installer btw, I haven't tried it
05:26:38 <ZachThibeau> certainly
05:28:15 <ZachThibeau> well one of my team members made a nice installer script using inno so it handles pretty good, checks when running if you are trying to install a new copy, gives options if uninstalling to remove personal data if they wanted to, so it coveres pretty much everything needed so far
05:28:35 <JohnTHaller> Why Inno instead of NSIS?
05:29:25 <ZachThibeau> my nsis is severly rusty and inno was what XhmikosR (team member) knew
05:29:36 <ZachThibeau> and practiced too
05:29:55 <JohnTHaller> Ah ok
05:30:04 <JohnTHaller> Was gonna offer my NSIS services if needed
05:30:55 <ZachThibeau> well I like nsis and all but when XhmikosR joined he offered to maintain an installer script
05:31:09 <ZachThibeau> if anything I would need to check with him
05:31:20 <JohnTHaller> Nah. If you have help and it works, keep it
05:32:15 <ZachThibeau> alrighty
05:33:01 <ZachThibeau> definetly could use an upgrade on my graphics sometime, maybe I'll get on that tomorrow
05:33:13 <JohnTHaller> upgrade how?
05:34:05 <ZachThibeau> let's say my images for the installer graphics are tacky at best :P
05:35:03 <JohnTHaller> Lemme see
05:35:09 <ZachThibeau> here is a sample image of what I have currently http://pchat-irc.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/installer/images/WizardImageFile.bmp
05:35:23 <JohnTHaller> Not so bad
05:35:45 <ZachThibeau> I've done better, that was me on my bad day
05:36:17 <ZachThibeau> anyways I have some time tomorrow to improve :)
05:37:21 <JohnTHaller> cool
05:37:28 <JohnTHaller> btw - your details link on the Download page is broken
05:38:06 <ZachThibeau> so it is
05:38:18 <ZachThibeau> I'll have to fix that
05:38:50 <ZachThibeau> right after I update wordpress
05:40:07 <ZachThibeau> there we go
05:40:19 <ZachThibeau> lol yeah I found out why it was broken
05:40:51 <ZachThibeau> total manual conversion from another cms to wordpress and I forgot to update the download page with the new links
05:41:06 <ZachThibeau> fixed
05:41:23 <JohnTHaller> And this may look better on your download page if you wanna try it: http://portableapps.com/temp/osi-certified-120x100.png
05:41:46 <ZachThibeau> ok
05:42:03 <JohnTHaller> I just did it up real quick. Thought it may be a better fit.
05:42:15 <ZachThibeau> ok
05:42:55 <ZachThibeau> thanks
05:43:56 <JohnTHaller> One suggestion on the download page, too.... icons for the download buttons. Since you have Windows, PAF and Linux. Having an appropriate icon in each would probably make it easier for people to visually say "oh I need that" without having to read the "for windows" or "for linux" bits.
05:44:23 <ZachThibeau> sure
05:44:43 <ZachThibeau> I'll add it to PNotes and fix that up tomorrow
05:44:51 <JohnTHaller> nice
05:45:09 <JohnTHaller> Hmm... that OSI icon needs more white
05:45:37 <ZachThibeau> drop shadow using white may do the trick
05:45:42 <JohnTHaller> reload this: http://portableapps.com/temp/osi-certified-120x100.png
05:45:55 <ZachThibeau> sure
05:45:59 <JohnTHaller> I usually try and do a glow in something like this or the upper left gets lost
05:46:26 <JohnTHaller> if that doesn't work, I can try a drop for ya
05:47:41 <ZachThibeau> the PChat screenshot for the PChat Portable page may need an update to show the new icons when the new update goes
05:47:50 <ZachThibeau> and image is uploaded
05:48:15 <JohnTHaller> tis better. but not quite awesome
05:49:12 <ZachThibeau> really got to keep thanking ptmb for the awesome work he's done with the PChat website theme :)
05:49:42 <JohnTHaller> yeah looks good
05:52:06 <JohnTHaller> Ok, did it with a drop shadow and hand-tuned it to match your bg. This should work: http://portableapps.com/temp/osi-certified-120x100ds.png
05:54:05 <ZachThibeau> reload the download page
05:54:27 <JohnTHaller> I think that works. Good for you?
05:54:31 <ZachThibeau> yup
05:54:48 <JohnTHaller> cool. The glow was too much inside the OSI bit. This is more balanced
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05:55:32 <PortableAppsUser> just taking a screenshot :)
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05:59:07 <JohnTHaller> heh ok
05:59:21 <ZachThibeau> http://pchat-irc.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/pchat.png
05:59:46 <ZachThibeau> with oxygen icons :D
06:00:33 <JohnTHaller> Screenshot pro-tip. Take an explorer window in a screen without much on it. Then maximize that. Use sizer to set your target window to exactly 800x600. place your window over the maxxed explorer window and position it so no text or icons is anywhere under the chrome of the target window. then ctrl-alt-prt scrn
06:01:05 <JohnTHaller> liking the oxygen icons
06:01:51 <ZachThibeau> thanks and I just did a quick alt prt scrn and pasted in gimp
06:02:19 <ZachThibeau> but the explorer thing I'll definetly try
06:02:28 <ZachThibeau> nice white background
06:02:51 <JohnTHaller> Yup. That's how I get the nice ones on PA.c. Also means I don't have to edit out the corners, since they're white and the site is white.
06:03:03 <ZachThibeau> or I could open up a new gimp white canvas
06:03:05 <ZachThibeau> I'll update
06:03:30 <JohnTHaller> That works, too
06:04:12 <ZachThibeau> I'll do it tomorrow though, it's 2 am here and I need some sleep
06:04:31 <JohnTHaller> yeah 1am here. bout to head to bed
06:04:32 <ZachThibeau> once I get a few more things finalized John I'll send the update and the new screenshot
06:05:25 <ZachThibeau> at the same time release the update for the local version and I hope this will be the end of the 1.x line and can focus on 2.0 more
06:05:30 <JohnTHaller> Cool. Just lemme know
06:05:33 <ZachThibeau> sure
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06:05:42 <JohnTHaller> have a good one ZachT|ZzZz
06:05:52 <ZachT|ZzZz> you too
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15:54:20 <ZachThibeau> hola John
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15:55:41 <JohnTHaller> hola
15:56:13 <ZachThibeau> just working on getting some additional plugins working before sending you the update
15:57:30 <ZachThibeau> found out one of PChat users in my channel was getting harassed by users in #xchat and blaming everything on PChat when xchat has the same issues
15:58:08 <JohnTHaller> Heh. Awesome
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21:53:18 <pa_9939> hello! is it hard to make my own portable app from a regular windows installer?
21:54:11 <gluxon> What do you mean "from a regular windows installer"?
21:55:29 <pa_9939> a exe installer
21:55:55 <gluxon> That's actually not how Portable Apps are made.
21:56:06 <pa_9939> i use a program called synthmaker and would love to make it portable
21:56:30 <pa_9939> do i use the installed files?
21:56:32 <gluxon> You need to analyze the program to see where it stores it settings, and how it hooks itself to computer.
21:56:56 <pa_9939> how do i do that?
21:57:24 <gluxon> Well, you need to find the folder synthmaker stores its settings in.
21:57:50 <pa_9939> i think that is the app folder
21:57:55 <gluxon> Then tell the PortableApps.com Launcher program to back it up, and carry the settings on the drive.
21:58:23 <pa_9939> ok ill give it a try
21:58:23 <gluxon> pa_9939: Well, most apps store it somewhere in the C:\Users\USERNAME\AppData folder.
21:58:59 <gluxon> Take a look at the PortableApps.com Launcher Manual -> http://portableapps.com/manuals/PortableApps.comLauncher/
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21:59:37 <pa_9939> ok thanks
22:01:04 <gluxon> You welcome :)
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22:26:02 <pa_9939> hello again i get an error: http://pastebin.com/hc07hmpr
22:29:52 <pa_9939> any idea what i do wrong here?
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22:32:38 <pa_9939> here is the whole logfile: http://pastebin.com/kpePeBY8
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22:58:40 <pa_9939> i have fixed some things in the ini file but still no luck
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22:59:38 <pa_9939> this is my last logfile: http://pastebin.com/JsXA5UuU
22:59:51 <pa_9939> anyone able to help out here?
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