IRC Log from 2010-12-09

00:57:24 <JohnTHaller> Maybe I'll fix up Mixxx for release tonight
00:57:41 <BeckySanderlin`x> http://pandalabs.pandasecurity.com/tis-the-season-of-ddos-wikileaks-editio/
01:16:39 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: you or CM need to fix the PAL manual
01:17:01 <JohnTHaller> What;s wrong with it?
01:17:47 <Gizmokid2005> http://portableapps.com/manuals/PortableApps.comLauncher/ works, the links I find work, like: http://portableapps.com/manuals/PortableApps.comLauncher/troubleshooting/#troubleshooting but as soon as I search: http://portableapps.com/manuals/PortableApps.comLauncher/search/?q=debug&check_keywords=yes&area=default try clicking any of the results.
01:18:46 <ChrisMorgan> Argh, another breakage in the search functionality with the dirhtml builder... I'll create another sphinx bug report about it.
01:19:03 <ChrisMorgan> At first it was /completely/ broken, now it's just broken.
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01:24:09 <pa_4245> hi
01:24:42 <pa_4245> can I update my portable apps suite?!!????
01:25:03 <JohnTHaller> What do you want to update pa_4245?
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01:25:30 <pa_4245> my portable apps suite
01:25:44 <JohnTHaller> So, the platform and all the apps?
01:26:07 <pa_4245> just the platform but I want to keep my apps
01:26:22 <JohnTHaller> Oh, I know. I mean update the platform and all the apps to their latest versions.
01:26:51 <pa_4245> NO just the platform
01:27:01 <pa_4245> but keep my apps
01:27:06 <pa_4245> THE SAMe
01:27:44 <JohnTHaller> What version of the platform are you on?
01:28:46 <pa_4245> how do I tell
01:28:52 <pa_4245> ?
01:30:51 <JohnTHaller> Click on Help and then About normally.
01:31:21 <pa_4245> 1.6.1.0
01:31:49 <JohnTHaller> Ok, that's the current stable release. If you want the 2.0 Beta 5 release with the app updater and new theming and languages, you can get it here: http://portableapps.com/node/24258
01:32:11 <JohnTHaller> Download it and install it to the same location you installed 1.6.1, which is usually the root directory (aka X:\ or similar) of your device.
01:32:24 <ZachThibeau> the beta I found to be pretty stable for the record
01:32:32 <pa_4245> will it keep my apps
01:32:41 <ZachThibeau> yes it will
01:33:03 <pa_4245> great! THx
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04:08:21 <Scriptdaemon> Red Eclipse Portable takes forever to package. -.-
04:09:54 <JohnTHaller> Whassat?
04:10:06 <Scriptdaemon> Continuation of Blood Frontier.
04:10:22 <Scriptdaemon> FPS built fromt the Cube 2 engine.
04:10:27 <Scriptdaemon> from*
04:11:21 <Scriptdaemon> It's still in dev, so I'm just uploading packages of it every now and then until they get an actual release out. Though, it's playable now so it's still enjoyable.
04:12:02 <JohnTHaller> Ah sounds cool
04:12:37 <Scriptdaemon> It's really fun. And I set it up so that if you have Sauerbraten Portable installed beside it, it'll use Sauerbraten Portable maps.
04:13:41 <Scriptdaemon> Well, I did it back when I was doing Blood Frontier Portable, but nothing installer-wise has changed from moving it over aside from renaming it.
04:14:20 <ChrisMorgan> Scriptdaemon: you don't happen to have the MS Visual C++ 2005 compiler hanging around, installed, do you? ;-)
04:15:12 <Scriptdaemon> You're asking because of the language stuff you need for WinDjView, aren't you? I don't, but after work I can install it if you want.
04:15:40 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: Is it UTF-16LE or UTF16-LE?
04:16:10 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: UTF-16LE but some things use "UTF16-LE" in their own strings
04:16:26 <JohnTHaller> Encoding¶ Values: auto / ANSI / UTF-16LE
04:16:34 <JohnTHaller> In the PA.c Manual you produced for 2.0
04:17:01 <JohnTHaller> In the update you gave me you did it the other way, so I wanted to be sure: http://portableapps.com/node/23093#comment-145713
04:17:34 <Scriptdaemon> *Facedesk*
04:17:44 <ChrisMorgan> Yep, my mistake.
04:17:56 <Scriptdaemon> After all that, I have to recreate the installer because I forgot to update the version number.
04:18:05 <JohnTHaller> Yay. I do that too
04:18:11 <Scriptdaemon> lol.
04:18:15 <JohnTHaller> chris, so you think your old update to the launcher.ini looks ok?
04:18:34 <ChrisMorgan> I've actually just found I had it the wrong way in one place in the manual text - "... but isn't really UTF16-LE, ..."
04:20:12 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: yep, looks OK.
04:20:49 <JohnTHaller> Cool. I'm doublt-checking it all now with the updated Mixxx version
04:20:56 <ChrisMorgan> Are you sure SinglePortableAppInstance=true SingleAppInstance=false WaitForProgram=true WaitForOtherInstances=true are what you want?
04:21:13 <JohnTHaller> Not offhand, no
04:21:32 <ChrisMorgan> Should remove the WaitFor* ones as true is the default for them.
04:21:37 <Scriptdaemon> Ooo, are you doing Mixxx Portable today?
04:22:17 <ChrisMorgan> Then the other two is "Mixxx Portable can run while a local version is installed, but only let one portable instance run at a time".
04:22:36 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, that's wrong
04:22:56 <JohnTHaller> Single App set to true now
04:22:58 <JohnTHaller> Removed wait for
04:25:20 <ChrisMorgan> And if you flip either value, it should be removed as it's the default.
04:25:53 <ChrisMorgan> [Activate]:Registry should be removed too, doesn't use the registry
04:26:52 <JohnTHaller> Ouch, guess I'm not doing Mixxx at the moment. They added a sqlite database of all tracks.
04:29:08 <Scriptdaemon> *Cough* OpenTTD *cough*
04:29:41 <ChrisMorgan> Yep, that sounds a good idea to me.
04:29:49 <JohnTHaller> I got all the Mixxx graphics done, too... sheesh
04:30:00 <Scriptdaemon> Save it for tomorrow? =P
04:30:29 <JohnTHaller> OpenTTD it is I spose
04:30:34 <Scriptdaemon> Wee.
04:31:50 <JohnTHaller> Does OpenTTD include some of the free alternative graphics and sound files?
04:32:07 <Scriptdaemon> OpenMSX, OpenGFX, and OpenSFX.
04:32:21 <Scriptdaemon> Music, graphics (required), and sound.
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04:32:52 <JohnTHaller> OpenTTD done done?
04:33:18 <Scriptdaemon> As far as I know. Chris has taken a look at it a couple times before and no problems as far as I recall.
04:33:38 <JohnTHaller> What's the description. Saying "It is a clone of X" is never a description we will use, btw
04:35:11 <Scriptdaemon> http://www.openttd.org/en/about As you can se, their description is very lacking. I'll try getting a quote from the original game.
04:35:13 <Scriptdaemon> see*
04:36:47 <Scriptdaemon> "Urban planning and simulation game in which the player aims to earn money through shipping of cargo by land, water and air."
04:36:56 <Scriptdaemon> That alright for appinfo.ini?
04:37:14 <JohnTHaller> Already in
04:37:51 <JohnTHaller> btw - watch your package versions for dev tests. Something like 1.5 Dev Test 1 should be a 1.4.999.1 so that testers get the update via the updater.
04:38:20 <Scriptdaemon> Ah. Alright.
04:40:44 <JohnTHaller> Started doing it kinda recently myself. Should probably add it to the guidelines. For now, I just up it from .0 to .0 at the end
04:40:46 <JohnTHaller> .1 I mean
04:41:03 <Scriptdaemon> Alright.
04:41:24 <Scriptdaemon> They do updates fairly often.
04:41:25 <ChrisMorgan> The system I've taking to doing is just using the last number; 80 for DT, 90 for PR, plus the number. So 1.0.3 PR 1 is 1.0.2.81. Similar with PAL with 70 as alpha, 80 as beta and 90 as release candidate.
04:45:25 <JohnTHaller> Not a fan of apps that update too often :(
04:45:51 <Scriptdaemon> Fyre doesn't... ever. So this evens it out.
04:45:56 <Scriptdaemon> :D
04:47:01 <Scriptdaemon> And I wouldn't say *too* often. I dunno, look at the changelog in the OpenTTD DT thread.
04:47:23 <JohnTHaller> Pulling the source down via SVN now
04:49:01 <JohnTHaller> Screenshotted, logoed, compiled, digitally signed, packaged, digitally signed, uploaded
04:49:12 <Scriptdaemon> Nice.
04:54:11 * ChrisMorgan is looking forward to seeing (and helping in making) a decent looking Inkscape website - http://duckgoesoink.deviantart.com/art/Inkscape-org-redesign-art-188805667 http://yaripr.deviantart.com/art/Inkscape-org-Redesign-Proposal-188279321
04:54:44 <JohnTHaller> Is openttd english only?
04:54:47 <Scriptdaemon> No.
04:56:37 <Scriptdaemon> And if you look in the launcher.ini and see that ALL language are listed even though the spelling is all correct, blame the OpenTTD developers for being case sensitive. :)
04:56:43 <Scriptdaemon> languages*
04:57:27 <JohnTHaller> Tell the OpenTTD devs they need MUCH better descriptions.
04:58:02 <Scriptdaemon> I'll do that.
04:58:39 <Scriptdaemon> Isn't that usually the case though with clones?
04:58:53 <Scriptdaemon> I'll have to check Wormux. I think they did it right though.
04:59:46 <JohnTHaller> Sometimes. We should push them to write a REAL summary for a complete newbie. Otherwise they'll only appeal to old users who already know what it is.
04:59:51 <Scriptdaemon> Well, I suppose now Warmux.
05:00:02 <Scriptdaemon> Yeah.
05:00:18 <JohnTHaller> Comes from only thinking about your existing userbase instead of thinking to expand.
05:00:21 <JohnTHaller> How's this look? http://portableapps.com/apps/games/openttd_portable
05:00:35 <Scriptdaemon> Especially since the game is difficult to get started enough as it is.
05:00:37 <JohnTHaller> Opps... publisher liune
05:01:26 <Scriptdaemon> scriptdaemon -> Kenny Williams (did you change that on Fyre too?)
05:01:59 <JohnTHaller> Not sure and not gonna look now
05:02:07 <Scriptdaemon> And in the meantime I'll get a longer description sometime that you can use to update the page. For now I think that part is fine though.
05:03:35 <JohnTHaller> ok
05:05:37 <Scriptdaemon> Well, no. It's my app, so I can update it. I forgot about that.
05:06:55 <Scriptdaemon> Free / Open Source (Launcher: GPL, WAtomic: GPL)
05:06:58 <Scriptdaemon> Missed that, lol.
05:07:56 <JohnTHaller> Happens every time. No need for the LOL
05:08:36 <JohnTHaller> I need to get the new app directory done so I can stop having to cut and past this mess every time
05:08:38 <Scriptdaemon> Do we note the version for GPL, or do we just leave GPL 2 and GPL?
05:08:43 <JohnTHaller> Nope
05:09:42 <JohnTHaller> Ok, and it's out
05:09:51 <Scriptdaemon> :)
05:09:59 <JohnTHaller> You're a 2fer dev now
05:10:26 <JohnTHaller> Source is up. ANd it's in the updated DB so any testers will get the final version, too.
05:10:52 <JohnTHaller> 36 minutes from start to finish. Not too bad.
05:11:02 <Scriptdaemon> The front page links directly to the app page rather than a post.
05:11:06 <Scriptdaemon> Intended?
05:11:33 <JohnTHaller> fixed
05:11:53 <Scriptdaemon> :)
05:18:29 <Scriptdaemon> OpenTTD was my most popular app, btw. Well, most popular open source app. Dropbox doesn't keep track of download statistics.
05:18:34 <JohnTHaller> Suggestions for tomorrow? (Not your own sciptdaemon :-P )
05:19:25 <Scriptdaemon> I don't have any for tomorrow anyway. I just realized I want to check if I can put CleanTemp=True in the launcher.ini.
05:19:33 <Scriptdaemon> for Marble*
05:20:29 <Scriptdaemon> What about AniFX?
05:21:22 <Scriptdaemon> I'm just looking through the test page, I've no idea if each app is actually ready.
05:22:25 <JohnTHaller> Maybe I'll fix FBReader and push that out.
05:22:25 <ChrisMorgan> WinDjView is just waiting for languages.
05:22:43 <JohnTHaller> You think we're gonna get em? Since they don't exist for the local version, i mean
05:24:32 <Scriptdaemon> Btw, John. Would you mind if at some point I went through the test page and removed all apps that are no longer downloadable? (Not being maintained anymore and the download link is broken.)
05:24:42 <JohnTHaller> I'm thinking about putting our Freeware on either Download.com or Softonic.com as well as download.portableapps.com and making a.p.c only for updater use. Thoughts?
05:24:51 <JohnTHaller> d.p.c I mean
05:25:15 <Scriptdaemon> If it'll help bandwidth, I don't see why not.
05:25:40 <JohnTHaller> Our monthly hosting is creeping up as we get more and more popular.
05:25:56 <Scriptdaemon> I can imagine. Especially with new apps coming out.
05:26:14 <Scriptdaemon> I'm all for that idea.
05:27:32 <JohnTHaller> Download.com is more popular. Softonic offers similar services and an ad rev share. Both offer more exposure. ANd with Softonic, we won't have to use their download manager if we don't want to. Spoke to em today.
05:29:06 <Scriptdaemon> Are you going to do both, or just choose one of the two?
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05:29:51 <JohnTHaller> Choose one. The more downloads we get of something, the more exposure we get on em.
05:30:14 <JohnTHaller> In theory, we could have platform downloads go to one of them and possibly be in their top 20.
05:30:28 <JohnTHaller> We get 200k+ platform downloads in a month.
05:30:54 <Scriptdaemon> Ah.
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05:41:25 * ChrisMorgan absolutely hates download sites.
05:41:42 <JohnTHaller> No different than SF, really
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05:41:56 <JohnTHaller> Single page with an ad and a redirect with partners.
05:42:04 <JohnTHaller> Actually, you can do text only ads with Softonic.
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05:47:46 <ChrisMorgan> OK, that's a tad different from what I was envisaging - those pesky download sites that just go and grab your stuff and share it and get themselves in search results when you wish they wouldn't.
05:48:57 <JohnTHaller> Most of the top 20 on download.com are partners, for example, who push their traffic to them. AVG, Avast, Avira. They all purposely redirect users who want to download from their site to download.com or softonic.
05:49:23 <JohnTHaller> So they wind up in the top 20 lists and the 60 million uniques a month that Softonic gets (and more for Download.com) see it.
05:51:22 <JohnTHaller> we'd need a few more downloads to get on the lists, though. http://en.softonic.com/windows/top-downloads
05:51:36 <JohnTHaller> http://download.cnet.com/windows/most-popular/3101-20_4-0.html?tag=contentMain;contentAux
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05:55:44 <Scriptdaemon> Alright, clocking out of work. Later.
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05:56:02 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, bedtime for me. Gnight all
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06:04:49 <ChrisMorgan> G'nite
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06:20:50 <pa_9086> Teamviewer has mistakenly been placed in the opensource category
06:20:50 <pa_9086> http://portableapps.com/news/opensource
06:21:39 <JohnTHaller> fixed, thanks
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06:22:27 <pa_9086> coolio. see ya.
06:22:33 <JohnTHaller> gnight
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06:30:02 <pa_8137> Hi, just wondering if it's possible to create a portable app that when running can add directories to the PATH. Does one require administrar privileges to do this?
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11:58:23 <jonnyb1> hey peeps
11:59:20 <jonnyb1> Update server not available in Chrome 7.0.517.44 Any ideas?
12:03:40 <jonnyb1> Answer found http://portableapps.com/node/25735
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14:20:41 <jonnyb1> another issue,cant install apps in chrome portable 8.0.552.215. cannot create directory for unziping
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14:51:18 <jonnyb1> anyone?
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19:24:46 <Simeon> hi all, John, Steve and co
19:25:52 <JohnTHaller> hi simeon
19:27:02 <Simeon> I read about your plans to "outsource" our freeware partly.
19:27:10 <JohnTHaller> Yeah. Thoughts?
19:29:58 <Simeon> I like that everything is coming from one place. I know I have to be cautious about stuff I dont download from portableapps.com. But seeing that other big companies do it too (avira etc), mabe its not a bad idea. Saving bandwidth and all. And the digital signature should be enough to ensure that its the real deal.
19:30:27 <Simeon> and most of our stuff is up there anyhow - uploaded/suggested ba other people so why not...
19:31:14 <Simeon> (kinda weirs that I trust them less than I do sf.net)
19:31:18 <Simeon> weird
19:33:18 <JohnTHaller> digital signature, self CRC check and published MD5 would all still be available. ANd the updater will use our own server
19:34:11 <Simeon> i am a little concerned about people trying to release stuff saying they are portableapps.com but are not but the signature takes care of that.
19:36:10 <JohnTHaller> Well, it'd be stuff we specifically link to from PA.c and it would be a download redirect just like with SF
19:36:44 <Simeon> Oh and what about putting a little portableapps.com thing on the finance explorer splash? Would be nice.
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19:36:58 <Simeon> hi Zach
19:37:02 <JohnTHaller> The devs are free to do their own splash if they want.
19:37:09 <JohnTHaller> publishers, I mean. when they do their own app
19:37:19 <Simeon> I know.
19:38:15 <ZachThibeau> hey John and simeon
19:38:20 <JohnTHaller> Hola
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20:18:18 <Simeon> Firefox 3.6.13?!
20:18:38 <JohnTHaller> Comes out today
20:18:48 <Simeon> Release notes are out but the thing isnt released. Looks very much like work in progress :)
20:18:51 <JohnTHaller> As does a new TB
20:19:36 <Simeon> they do keep releaseing them together it seems.
20:20:26 <JohnTHaller> Security update. Affects the underlying engine, so both need a patch. As does SeaMonkey, but Moz doesn't really manage those releases.
20:21:00 <Simeon> seamonkey is entirely separate but uses the same engine right?
20:22:18 <JohnTHaller> It's the old Moz suite and runs on the newer engine like FF3 and TB3. But it's kinda like 3rd tier.
20:23:37 <Simeon> ah
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21:32:07 <Drive_Dude> Hi
21:47:02 <Simeon> hi
21:48:50 <ZachThibeau> hi
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22:00:57 <Simeon> gnight all.
22:05:22 <Simeon> SPAM? : http://portableapps.com/news/2010-02-23_-_firefox_portable_3.6.2#comment-165558
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22:44:42 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: well, no-one's stepped up to compile those WinDjView languages, should we just ship with Russian, as the official version does, then?
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22:45:09 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, I'm thinking so.
22:45:20 <JohnTHaller> That can be today's release. After I'm doing with FF and TB anyway.
22:45:30 <JohnTHaller> Official download servers are slow atm
22:46:19 <JohnTHaller> you want to bother implementing lang switching or wait til we can get the other langs compiled and bundled in a later update?
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22:47:34 <ChrisMorgan> I'll put in simple language switching now for just RU and EN
22:47:58 <JohnTHaller> Ok, you got the correct DLL from the topic
22:47:59 <JohnTHaller> ?
22:49:09 <ChrisMorgan> Yep, and it works.
22:49:27 <ChrisMorgan> "language"=dword:00000409 for English dword:419 for Russian
22:49:54 <ChrisMorgan> 1033 and 1049 in hex.
22:50:12 <JohnTHaller> want to just pastebin me you updated launcher.ini?
22:50:51 <ChrisMorgan> OK, I'll do that. Got to figure out this DWORD stuff first though.
22:51:55 <ChrisMorgan> Or maybe I'll just sneakily deal with it with ConfigRead and ConfigWrite. That'll be simpler.
22:52:10 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, no need to configure it all
22:52:23 <ChrisMorgan> Seeing as [LanguageFile] doesn't support reading a registry value anyway.
22:52:48 <JohnTHaller> It's just an INI file
22:52:53 <JohnTHaller> .reg I mean
22:53:14 <JohnTHaller> Create a default one and on ya go
22:53:49 <ChrisMorgan> No need for a default one, even.
22:54:12 <ChrisMorgan> Or actually... there is.
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22:59:19 <ChrisMorgan> Should I try to kill that about box on first run, do you think?
23:01:06 <ChrisMorgan> I can do it with setting HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Andrew Zhezherun\WinDjView\Settings\version="1.0.3" in the default data.
23:05:36 <ChrisMorgan> That's interesting... in Wine, Platform 2.0 Beta 5 is clearly taking the 48x48 icon and scaling it down to 16x16, rather than taking the 16x16 icon.
23:06:04 <ChrisMorgan> For WinDjView, I mean
23:06:13 <ChrisMorgan> Don't know about other apps.
23:07:28 * ChrisMorgan struggles to find "Russian" in the apparently unsorted Languages list in the Platform.
23:09:37 <ChrisMorgan> OK, got it all working.
23:10:55 <ChrisMorgan> http://chrismorgan.info/temp/WinDjViewPortable.ini for App\AppInfo\Launcher, http://chrismorgan.info/temp/windjview_portable.reg for App\DefaultData\settings (create directory), and the replaced WinDjViewRU.dll
23:11:05 <ChrisMorgan> Do you want me to just bundle it up (it's easy enough)?
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23:14:02 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: Sure. That way I'll know it's all proper
23:14:25 <ChrisMorgan> What do you reckon about disabling the first-run about box?
23:14:31 <ChrisMorgan> Do it? Not do it?
23:15:10 <JohnTHaller> Keep it. If it's in official, we keep it unless it really affects portability or usablity. FileZilla has one, too
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23:16:37 <ChrisMorgan> http://chrismorgan.info/temp/WinDjViewPortable_1.0.3.paf.exe
23:17:05 <JohnTHaller> Got it
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23:32:26 <pa_0970> hi
23:32:45 <pa_0970> how do you install portable apps on pendrive
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