IRC Log from 2010-12-11
00:00:15 <ChrisMorgan> A problem I *really* don't like is that since upgrading to 10.10, the window title sometimes isn't updated when the window updates its contents. At first I thought it was a Firefox issue (tab title is last tab's title, things like that), but I've since experienced it with Pidgin and a couple of other apps, so I think it's a GNOME bug.
00:00:48 <dboki89> matthewg42: hm.. now that you mentioned Stellarium, I noticed some of the cities are misspelled in there. Where does one report it?
00:00:54 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: I think in the RSS part it would probably clutter it; in the main announcement it could fit in quite nicely.
00:01:32 <gluxon> Go ahead :)
00:01:56 <JohnTHaller> I was thinking something like altering the Read More... line to be: Read more... | Download AppName | Donate to AppName
00:01:59 <gluxon> Just wondering, what's the average for donations per month?
00:02:37 <JohnTHaller> It varies quite a bit, lemme open paypal
00:02:44 <ChrisMorgan> With "Download AppName" being a direct link?
00:03:14 <JohnTHaller> Possibly. Or maybe AppName Homepage.
00:08:28 <JohnTHaller> gluxon: About $500 last month.
00:12:25 <gluxon> Thanks. That's more than I thought.
00:12:53 <JohnTHaller> That's about average, I'd say. Unfortunately our hosting per month ranges from about $1400 to $1900 lately.
00:14:04 <gluxon> Well, then I hope the flash drive vendor deals turn out a success :)
00:14:16 <gluxon> JohnTHaller: Just wondering, how did you get the amount of users browsing this site on your homepage? There's numerous ways, but I think the one on your site seems most efficient.
00:14:41 <JohnTHaller> We don't get much from the flash deals other than distribution. The money will come from commercial software in PA.c Format.
00:15:06 <JohnTHaller> I wrote my own in ASP based on its own internal session management.
00:15:38 <JohnTHaller> Pretty much the same thing on PA.c but with PHP and the way Drupal keeps a session open (also 30 mins I believe)
00:17:37 <gluxon> Ah, thanks. I was doing a PHP script that adds IP's to an SQL, and periodically checks with a cron every 5 minutes.
00:17:57 <gluxon> It works, but I didn't like it because of the strain on resources.
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00:19:38 <JohnTHaller> I'm not sure how Drupal manages sessions, but I latch onto that and do some raw sql stuff to get anon and registered numbers and stuff
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00:41:50 <JohnTHaller> alright, must run for now. Will be on later for today's new app and an update or two.
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00:53:52 <ZachThibeau> ok JohnTHaller got dcc bugs file transfers fixed again (unwittingly broke it while fixing another dcc related bug lol and I fixed a bug that's been plaguing XChat for a while now related to ignoring people
00:54:10 <ZachThibeau> 1.4 should be ready for release tonight/tomorrow
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02:03:38 <gluxon> JohnTHaller: Anything up with the site? It just recently started giving 400 Bad Request erros.
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02:18:59 <ZachThibeau> gluxon: that would probably be on your end I'm thinking as I haven't had a single issue with the site at all
02:19:17 <gluxon> Hm.. it's fine now.
02:19:28 <gluxon> It was just portableapps.com
02:45:42 * ChrisMorgan is now going to seriously try to get the build process for PortableApps.com Development Toolkit sorted to get Alpha 1 out
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03:48:51 <JohnTHaller> Ok, today's new app is out. Gramps Portable
03:48:59 <Gizmokid2005> interesting name...
03:49:20 <JohnTHaller> Geneaology... so it kinda works
03:49:31 <Gizmokid2005> ahh yeah, I can see it I suppose
03:49:38 <Gizmokid2005> I need to get Spicebird posted...
03:49:39 <JohnTHaller> 10 for 10 so far if anyone is keeping track this month :)
03:49:47 <Gizmokid2005> but I sitll haven't heard from them about it...
03:50:14 <JohnTHaller> Odd
03:50:47 <Gizmokid2005> I'm going to ping them again and see what they say.
03:51:21 <JohnTHaller> Go for it. MOAR APPS!
03:51:27 <Gizmokid2005> haha, that's how I feel!
03:51:31 <Gizmokid2005> It's been solid for me since I packaged it.
03:51:44 <Gizmokid2005> but, ofc, I haven't changed drive letters, etc...
03:51:47 <JohnTHaller> alright, I am offline for the evening. Friday night of relaxing sounds good. Gnight all
03:51:51 <Gizmokid2005> enjoy
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03:58:12 <GizmoBot> OliverK is a programmer, podcaster, html spelunker and pretty handy with a screwdriver. In short, not to be trifled with.
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04:29:35 <OliverK> .twitter PortableApps
04:29:35 <GizmoBot> PortableApps: New App: Gramps Portable 3.2.5 Released http://tinyurl.com/23p6jz2 -- http://twitter.com/PortableApps/status/13447966715027456
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08:40:08 <pa_4128> hello
08:42:18 <pa_4128> My Avira is blocking the autorun.inf. Does anyone know what I can do about this?
08:44:57 <ChrisMorgan> pa_4128: what do you want to do about it?
08:49:42 <pa_4128> i want to stop avira blocking the autorun.inf. but i don't find the option to do so
08:54:17 <ChrisMorgan> I don't know if it's possible. It wouldn't surprise me if it's not.
08:56:31 <pa_4128> problem solved. there is an option but i did not find it right away. sorry for annoying you
08:57:07 <ChrisMorgan> Glad you found it :-)
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09:47:06 * ChrisMorgan has got Development Toolkit working on Windows
09:47:51 <ChrisMorgan> That is, the py2exe part. It was working all along, just not compiled.
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11:08:26 <OnlineGuy> Hi
11:14:21 <OnlineGuy> I wante to ask. How can I add pictures when I am using Fyre Portable. Because Fyre Portable does allow them
11:14:44 <OnlineGuy> I wante to ask. How can I add pictures when I am using Fyre Portable. Because Fyre Portable does not allow them
11:15:03 <OnlineGuy> I spelled wrong first time
11:15:54 <ZachThibeau> you still did
11:15:56 <ZachThibeau> :P
11:16:00 <ZachThibeau> thats want
11:17:52 <ZachThibeau> and afaik you don't add pictures to fyre portable, fyre is a graphing type program, of course I don't really use fyre so I don't know for sure (and I used improper grammar there)
11:20:56 <OnlineGuy> Will next beta version of PortableApps.com Platform be called beta 6?
11:24:12 <OnlineGuy> PortableApps.com Platform is the only one that really works it and it is easy. The other one are basiclley a joke.
11:24:42 <OnlineGuy> And I have tried those others
11:27:24 <ZachThibeau> beta 6 yes
11:28:05 <ZachThibeau> as for the release date of that, all I can say is that it will come out when it is done being worked on other than that I really don't know
11:30:37 <OnlineGuy> Thanks for your help
11:30:52 <OnlineGuy> bya
11:30:55 <OnlineGuy> bye
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11:32:39 <ChrisMorgan> Should I just release Development Toolkit Alpha 1 in its current shape now, do you think, or refine it further first?
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11:58:04 <ZachThibeau> I don't know I haven't tried it at all
11:58:17 <ZachThibeau> so I don't know it's current state of functionality
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13:07:00 <CruelC> 0hai. There's some apps on portableapps that are pointless to wrap
13:07:11 <CruelC> like, DOSbox
13:07:31 <CruelC> DOSbox is portable by design, so I do not understand why wrap it.
13:08:45 <ZachThibeau> because of how the platform is designed, the wrappers are designed to help store data in a more convienent manner, so stuff like the PortableApps.com Backup tool can backup your settings
13:09:35 <CruelC> but DOSbox is portable by design, it prioritizes the .conf within its folder over the appdata one
13:09:51 <CruelC> so for DOSbox, pawrap is not needed
13:10:10 <ZachThibeau> again it's because of how the platform is designed, the wrappers are designed to help store data in a more convienent manner, so stuff like the PortableApps.com Backup tool can backup your settings
13:10:42 <CruelC> It's understandable for an app that works with appdata
13:11:34 <ZachThibeau> take PChat for instance, it writes to appdata but also has a command line parameter to save settings to a different directory, the launcher is there for ease of use and in case someone wants to backup their settings with the PortableApps.combackup utility
13:11:34 <CruelC> But, some apps are portable by design. In those cases, PA-Wrap is not needed
13:12:40 <CruelC> so wrapper is kept in place for those apps, solely for paback?
13:13:43 <ZachThibeau> no just for the backup tool but keeps things organized too and other stuff but mainly it does help if you want to backup your settings with or without the backup utility
13:14:23 <CruelC> also, how to uninstall an app from PAmenu?
13:14:48 <ZachThibeau> just delete the folder :P
13:15:07 <CruelC> There's no listing file?
13:15:15 <ZachThibeau> next beta of the platform will make it easier to do within the platform itself by adding a context menu
13:16:02 <CruelC> now I have FF4 b7 and WAtomic in PAmenu
13:16:48 <ZachThibeau> oh and another thing if you are using the platform beta 5 there is an updater that will help keep you programs up to date if they are in the PortableApps.com format
13:17:37 * CruelC is using latest stable
13:18:54 <ZachThibeau> the beta is fairly stable actually, John has the discipline of strict testing to make sure it's stable before sending it to the public even if it's beta
13:23:15 <CruelC> .PAF.EXE - is it an actual EXE, or a stub/library for PA?
13:24:31 <ZachThibeau> it's an actual exe
13:26:18 <ZachThibeau> just .paf is included to differentiate our releases from standard exe filees
13:27:00 <ZachThibeau> but in short it's just an exe file
13:27:19 <ZachThibeau> nsis based installer exe file
13:27:43 <CruelC> NSIS, yea. I 7z-ed one
13:28:13 <ZachThibeau> we used to use 7z, nsis just gave us more control
13:33:49 <CruelC> My "latest stable" has "uninstall" in context
13:34:05 <CruelC> well, what I thought of as "latest stable".
13:36:31 <CruelC> but it seems to only get rid of the entry
13:37:49 <CruelC> erm, no. it worked normally
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14:33:54 <dboki89> link in that comment smells like SPAM --> http://portableapps.com/node/23064#comment-165648
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17:06:09 <G87> 0hai. Seems like I did something wrong. I installed a PAF plainly
17:06:20 <G87> PAF.EXE
17:07:20 <rcmaehl> Could you repeat that I didn't quite understand
17:07:50 <G87> I installed a .paf.exe plainly instead of stacking it up
17:08:12 <G87> to d:\games\TheManaWorld
17:09:08 <rcmaehl> Ah
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17:09:40 <dboki89> G87: it should work nevertheless you installed it to a X:\PortableApps folder or not
17:10:23 <dboki89> *regardless of whether you installed it to a X:\PortableApps folder or not
17:11:37 <G87> TheManaWorld Portable is in D:\Games\TheManaWorld
17:13:20 <dboki89> as I said, it should work fine from there as well; only possible problem is that the PortableApps.com Platform (if you are using it) won't be able to automatically update the game for you when/if an update is available
17:16:45 <dboki89> Or are you trying to ask something else? If so, what exactly is the problem?
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17:20:15 <pa_0085> hello
17:20:32 <pa_0085> ?
17:20:51 <dboki89> pa_0085: hello. do you need any help? | Disclaimer: I'm not a PA developer, just a user like yourself
17:20:51 <pa_0085> need help?
17:21:25 <dboki89> pa_0085: just ask away
17:21:26 <pa_0085> yes, my usb for my phone isnt working on the laptop?
17:22:14 <pa_0085> i wanted to know how can i upload pictures onto my laptop?
17:22:46 <dboki89> can you be more precise? did you mean that, once you plug in your phone via USB, it doesn't show on your laptop? or something else?
17:23:22 <pa_0085> yes, i plug in my usb for my phone and it doesnt show how to upload my pictures?
17:24:59 <dboki89> 1) how is this related to portableapps? 2) did you have an option on the phone to connect it as a "Mass Storage Device" or something like that?
17:25:54 <pa_0085> well on my phone, it showed two things 1. mass storage 2. charge only?
17:26:31 <dboki89> if you connected as a mass storage, it should have been assigned a new drive letter in My Computer
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17:27:10 <pa_8359> anyone else having problems with sourceforge and downloading updates?
17:28:28 <pa_0085> it doesnt show anything, but usually on the laptop it shows a box saying import pictures?
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17:30:06 <dboki89> pa_8359: I don't... what kind of problems? it could be a problem with a mirror you are using, try another and see if that will work (only applicable for going to SF with a browser; don't know if it's possible to choose a different mirror via PA Platform)
17:30:38 * G87 has a problem accessing sourceforgr via domain sf.net
17:30:59 <G87> says an apache bull****
17:31:31 <dboki89> pa_0085: again, how is it related to portableapps in the first place? you should read your phone's manual for more details on how to move files to and from your phone
17:32:08 <G87> pa_0085 probably experiences same problems, and/or NSISDL problems
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17:32:31 <G87> =_=
17:32:35 <dboki89> hm.. sourceforge.net works just fine for me
17:32:51 <G87> When you go by SOURCEFORGE.net, not by SF.net
17:33:06 <G87> when going by SF.net, it gives apache bull****
17:33:41 <dboki89> hm... for me sf.net just does a simple redirect to http://sourceforge.net/
17:34:55 <G87> didn't check today, but for past week or two, it gave an apache bug whenever you refer to any sourceforge website via shortened SF.net
17:35:10 <G87> UQM.SOURCEFORGE.net and UQM.SF.net
17:35:53 <G87> uqm.sf.net makes an apache bull****
17:36:33 <dboki89> Error type: 404 <-- mean the page doesn't exist there, or has been moved somewhere else
17:36:58 <G87> Seems that some Sourceforge nodes do not interact with the shortened URL (SF.net)
17:37:13 <pa_8359> I can access sourceforge fine. When I try to download a file, it hangs. Tried it in IE, Firefox and Opera. I think it has to do with the addoubleclick crap.
17:37:57 <dboki89> G87: honestly, all worked fine for me. even shortened ones, I tried just now a couple of them
17:38:06 <pa_8359> I just created an account at sourceforge and I it seems to work now!
17:38:50 * G87 had an account, but forgot it. But they seem to remember me via MAC addr or something, dloads work for me
17:38:51 <dboki89> pa_8359: working fine for downloads here... Did you try another mirror?
17:39:18 <dboki89> you don't need an account on SourceForge in order to download!
17:39:19 <G87> pa_8359 has the issue bypassed via account
17:39:43 <G87> Sometimes, a wrong solution may work - like making an acc on sf.net for dloading
17:41:28 <pa_8359> I don't know why an account worked. I still have ads. Maybe they are tracking usage now to aim spam.
17:42:13 <dboki89> pa_8359: have you ever tried changing from the default mirror?
17:42:21 <dboki89> before you registered?
17:43:19 <pa_8359> Yes. I tried other US and UK mirrors, same problem everytime.
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17:45:59 <dboki89> I'm at a loss then as to what might have been the cause of your problems with sourceforge.net...
17:46:11 <G87> Is there NetPanzer portable?
17:46:21 <G87> =_|_=
17:46:55 <dboki89> G87: search the portableapps forums, it's in the testing
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17:47:13 <G87> testing... I'll wait then
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17:47:41 <G87> |_=_|
17:48:08 <pa_8359> dboki89: I don't know either! But I'm downloading great now. The problem has been around, for me, for about 2 weeks.
17:48:32 <G87> Probably a broken script
17:49:02 <G87> and that script not being invoked by IP's that were found as making accounts
17:54:01 <pa_8359> Maybe! But I just logged off of sourceforge and it is doing the same thing as before. The browser says it is 'Waiting for ad.doubleclick.net'!
17:55:49 <pa_8359> I logged back in and it starts the download immediately again. Really strange...
18:00:48 <G87> so, some regions have problem with ad doubleclick
18:00:55 <G87> mine doesn't
18:00:59 <G87> =!=
18:06:26 <G87> ok, I reinstalled Mana World into the right place
18:06:44 <pa_8359> Well it's working now, so thanks for the listening ear!
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21:05:03 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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21:53:23 <GizmoBot> OliverK is a programmer, podcaster, html spelunker and pretty handy with a screwdriver. In short, not to be trifled with.
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