IRC Log from 2010-12-20

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00:36:38 <vf2nsr> ChrisMorgan: drawing a blank here as to where to put the txt file for a freeware license to show on install?
00:37:03 <ChrisMorgan> vf2nsr: EULA
00:37:15 <ChrisMorgan> Other\Source\EULA.(txt|rtf), read that bit of the PAF spec
00:38:25 <vf2nsr> I did but online from website keeps throwing 404 error
00:38:31 <vf2nsr> and forgot EULA
00:38:44 <vf2nsr> tyvm
00:39:44 <ChrisMorgan> Sure you've got the right URL?
00:40:21 <vf2nsr> was clicking from the search box of page 2
00:40:31 <vf2nsr> directly from web
00:43:13 <ChrisMorgan> And what URL is it showing?
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00:45:30 <vf2nsr> one moment
00:47:37 <vf2nsr> from this page http://portableapps.com/manuals/PortableApps.comLauncher/search/?q=license&check_keywords=yes&area=default
00:48:04 <vf2nsr> I click on hyperlink and get this http://portableapps.com/manuals/PortableApps.comLauncher/search/ref/paf/layout.html?highlight=license
00:49:36 <vf2nsr> Just FYI not complaining or anythin
00:49:52 <vf2nsr> g
00:49:59 <vf2nsr> bbiaf
00:50:48 <ChrisMorgan> Ah; that's due to a bug in Sphinx's dirhtml output
00:50:54 <ChrisMorgan> Use the main one from the website.
00:57:24 <vf2nsr> ok I thought I had sorry
00:57:35 <vf2nsr> needlesss to say you answered and I am set
00:57:47 <vf2nsr> now to figure where I can host the file :(
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00:58:15 <vf2nsr> Hi John
00:58:20 <JohnTHaller> ho la
00:58:35 <vf2nsr> Did you see my response to AquaSnap?
00:59:12 <JohnTHaller> I already responded to you
00:59:23 <JohnTHaller> I'm good like that :)
00:59:27 <vf2nsr> ok how do I email it to you?
01:00:05 <vf2nsr> I mean to what addy?
01:00:50 <JohnTHaller> use the dev address on the contact page
01:01:11 <JohnTHaller> scratch that, just PMed you
01:01:19 <vf2nsr> ok will send momentarily
01:02:47 <JohnTHaller> you want me to give it a quick checkover before posting it?
01:04:25 <ChrisMorgan> I can too.
01:05:15 <vf2nsr> Please do
01:05:32 <vf2nsr> only thing that may need tweaking is the appicon.png files
01:06:34 <vf2nsr> you seemy response iinIM?
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01:08:42 <vf2nsr> ChrisMorgan: I sent to John will he get it to you or do I need to send to you as well?
01:09:11 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: what are you planning with this one, release today?
01:10:04 <JohnTHaller> Nh. Just hosting it to do a dev test.
01:11:14 <vf2nsr> JohnTHaller: let me know wehn you got it
01:11:18 <vf2nsr> please
01:13:28 <JohnTHaller> got it
01:14:48 <JohnTHaller> You using PAL 2.0?
01:14:53 <vf2nsr> yes
01:15:00 <vf2nsr> and PAL newest
01:15:09 <vf2nsr> I meeant installer
01:15:17 <JohnTHaller> Ah ok
01:15:45 <vf2nsr> Have I messed up?
01:15:50 <JohnTHaller> They have an x64 in there. Should we perhaps use PAL 2.1b2 and the new differing exe for x64 feature?
01:16:23 <vf2nsr> if you like I did not and worked for me on win7 64 bit
01:16:41 <vf2nsr> I don't have 2.1b2 as of yet
01:16:44 <JohnTHaller> If the 32 works on x64, we don't really need to.
01:16:57 <JohnTHaller> couple typos in appinfo
01:17:09 <JohnTHaller> switched package version to 1.4.999.1
01:17:14 <vf2nsr> You can not actually run the 64 file it requires the other to run
01:17:22 <vf2nsr> ok?
01:17:28 <JohnTHaller> ah, then we're good as is
01:17:37 <vf2nsr> I went with 1.5.0 as that is what it says in help about of proggie
01:18:15 <vf2nsr> np do what is best I still rusty from my hiatus
01:18:37 <JohnTHaller> Right, but this is a Dev Test. You need to keep 1.5.0.0 for the stable/final release so people using the updater will receive it. So 1.5 Dev Test 1 would be 1.4.999.1
01:18:38 <vf2nsr> and sorry about typo I do speak typoneese
01:18:47 <vf2nsr> Ah ok
01:18:52 <JohnTHaller> You're also not moving the settings file back and forth to Data
01:19:11 <vf2nsr> Mine did not save setting OK I ambad
01:19:23 <vf2nsr> I tested and itdid notseemto saveanythin
01:19:29 <vf2nsr> want me to rewrite?
01:19:47 <JohnTHaller> It saves to aquasnap.ini in the EXE directory
01:20:10 <vf2nsr> oops did not catch that sorry
01:20:20 <vf2nsr> want me to re-adjust?
01:20:31 <JohnTHaller> anything with a settings window saves somewhere, just gotta figure out where
01:21:02 <vf2nsr> OK I will play more thought I had it sorry to have wasted your time
01:21:05 <JohnTHaller> I got it. Pulled the zip portable version and placed the default in DefaultData. Setting PAL to move it back and forth
01:21:41 <vf2nsr> I did change a default in settings
01:21:51 <vf2nsr> as it wanted to look for updates every run
01:22:00 <vf2nsr> so I think I disabled it
01:22:05 <vf2nsr> you might want to check
01:22:47 <vf2nsr> it does not on on my install here from the paf
01:22:53 <JohnTHaller> GOt it AutoUpdate=0
01:23:07 <vf2nsr> ok I did it from there menu
01:23:24 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: Are we preferring settings files directly in Data or in Data\settings when moved?
01:23:42 <ChrisMorgan> Personally I like straight in Data
01:24:05 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, that's what I went with
01:26:30 <vf2nsr> JohnTHaller: well you got it was trying to help do with it what you want I need to head off for a bit ttyl
01:26:38 <JohnTHaller> couple typos in help.html, too. Missed the title change (still AppName). AppIDs for homepages have no spaces.
01:26:51 <JohnTHaller> No wait, I'll post it and you can still take it from there
01:27:13 <vf2nsr> Oh OK let me be afk for 5?
01:27:23 <vf2nsr> need to make a phoone call and smoke
01:27:38 <vf2nsr> K?
01:28:15 <JohnTHaller> sure thing
01:28:26 <vf2nsr> afk 5 minute or cancer lol
01:30:37 <JohnTHaller> http://download.portableapps.com/portableapps/aquasnapportable/AquaSnapPortable_1.5.0_Dev_Test_1.paf.exe
01:31:31 <JohnTHaller> That should be a decent start
01:33:55 <vf2nsr> back
01:34:26 <vf2nsr> ChrisMorgan: btw my error was searching for license instead of eula which would probably have taken me where I needed to be
01:34:40 <vf2nsr> so that is page John?
01:34:53 <JohnTHaller> not a page. that's the download location
01:34:53 <ChrisMorgan> Which ever of you two it was, I wish you wouldn't do Dev Test 1...
01:34:58 <JohnTHaller> why
01:35:05 <ChrisMorgan> Development Test 1
01:35:11 <vf2nsr> NOT me
01:35:12 <JohnTHaller> Dev Test 1 is according to spec and recommendation. Not Development
01:35:27 <JohnTHaller> Dev has pretty much always been standard
01:35:28 <vf2nsr> I did t your way chris :)
01:35:36 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: since when!?
01:35:42 <JohnTHaller> And I switched it to standard :-P
01:35:58 <JohnTHaller> Since at least Feb 2008: http://portableapps.com/node/11772
01:36:39 <vf2nsr> Dang I get it from both ends now lol
01:36:48 <ChrisMorgan> I always took that to be a mistake or oversimlification - when it's a Development Test it doesn't make sense to label it as other than Development Test.
01:36:51 <vf2nsr> I was doing Dev and was told to do it other way
01:36:53 <JohnTHaller> Spelled out it makes for longer filenames (more annoying to deal with) as well as longer forum post titles (which can occasionally get cut off)
01:37:32 <JohnTHaller> It was a concious decision when I first started doing it. It affects SF listings as well as forum post names in particular.
01:37:51 <ChrisMorgan> I /really/ don't like the inconsistency. Should be either Development Test right through or Dev Test right through. Not called Development Test but always used as Dev Test.
01:38:08 <JohnTHaller> Gotta get past the OCD my friend :D
01:38:51 * ChrisMorgan looks up what OCD is
01:38:51 <JohnTHaller> It is a Development test but we abbreviate where it make sense to. Filenames (due to SF listings) and Forum Post titles.
01:39:01 <ChrisMorgan> I just don't like it being Wrong.
01:39:18 <JohnTHaller> and *that* is ocd :)
01:39:40 <ChrisMorgan> But it /is/ Wrong to name it one thing and always use it as another!
01:40:03 <JohnTHaller> The download for Mozilla Firefox, Portable Edition is called FirefoxPortable_...
01:40:14 <vf2nsr> OK will post it in beta and let you guyus iron it out lol thanks john ttyl
01:40:51 <JohnTHaller> It's been the standard for over 3 years. It's by design due to specific technological limitations we don't have control over. So, I don't plan to change it.
01:41:02 <vf2nsr> ty both for assistance
01:41:05 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: I recognise that but don't feel it an issue. It's called equally Mozilla Firefox, Portable Edition and Firefox Portable. Whereas this is just a Muddle.
01:41:06 <JohnTHaller> sure thing
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01:41:28 <JohnTHaller> Firefox Portable is shorthand... not the official or legal name.
01:41:39 <JohnTHaller> Same as OperaPortable is Opera, Portable Edition.
01:41:55 <ChrisMorgan> Do you consider "Development Test 1" to be valid in the PackageVersion or not?
01:41:57 <JohnTHaller> VLCPortable is VLC Media Player Portable.
01:42:42 <JohnTHaller> PackageVersion is 1.2.3.4. Display version should be Dev Test 1. Always has been. Same reason, that's what the installer name will be.
01:46:27 <ChrisMorgan> *DisplayVersion
01:47:22 <JohnTHaller> It's the same reason Revision 2 is always done as Rev 2
01:51:46 <ChrisMorgan> I, as have most others, have always done Development Test 1... I suppose I should change now, then.
01:52:32 <JohnTHaller> We could universally switch to Dev if you'd like. But I think the splash is ok with it written out.
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01:55:25 <ChrisMorgan> I just prefer it to be one way or the other. And I've never observed any issues with long paths anywhere (least of all SourceForge - we've got the craziest set of pathnames I've ever seen!).
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01:56:49 <JohnTHaller> Heh, we do indeed
01:56:58 <JohnTHaller> It used to be more of an issue with the main page feed
01:57:14 <ZachThibeau> hola folks
01:57:18 <JohnTHaller> howdy
01:57:28 <ZachThibeau> whats new?
01:58:18 <JohnTHaller> Just posting some updates. Then need to pick today's new app.
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01:59:04 <ZachThibeau> howdy TimClark
01:59:13 <Gizmokid2005> hello TimClark
01:59:15 <Gizmokid2005> how goes it?
01:59:29 <TimClark> Hello ZachThibeau and Gizmokid2005
01:59:40 <TimClark> JohnTHaller: got a minute ?
02:00:03 <JohnTHaller> sure
02:00:08 <TimClark> I must agree with BartS, The user should have the option to allow multiple instances in CWP 95.5
02:00:14 <ZachThibeau> JohnTHaller: Battle for Wesnoth looks pretty goodhttp://portableapps.com/node/24532
02:00:30 <TimClark> Senerio: I am downloading 4 files at once [a common and daily occurrence for me] and FFP launches CWP when a download completes. The first download completes and CWP is launched to scan the file, a moment later the second download completes, and again with the third and perhaps the 4th depending on how long it takes to scan a large file. I therefore very often wind up with 2 or 3 ClamWins running scans at the same time
02:00:55 <JohnTHaller> Well, as it never worked right and always lost settings... disabling it for now made sense until it can be implemented as a feature request. I'd wager a small subset of users has multiple instances running.
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02:01:44 <TimClark> Possible solutions? Could the option to disallow multiple instances be put in an ini the way it is with other apps?
02:02:04 <JohnTHaller> The scenario of a user running local ClamWin and havng that preventing ClamWin Portable from closing is likely.
02:02:41 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I just wanted to ensure ClamTray would in no way affect it. But wanted to get the release out on time. I have it as a ToDo to do a Rev with multiple instance handling.
02:02:57 <TimClark> Could I use the 95.4 launcher with 95.5 [at my own risk of course unless you really think it's a bad idea] ?
02:03:14 <JohnTHaller> It will lose settings, etc, of course
02:03:55 <JohnTHaller> TimClark: Wanna stick around for a minute to test a fix?>
02:03:58 <TimClark> I have not had the lose setting problem in a very long time since I disableed the kill running processes in Memory Scan at least
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02:04:24 <TimClark> JohnTHaller: sure, how big will the download be, on home with a modem
02:04:49 <JohnTHaller> Already thought of that. I'll post just the launcher for ya
02:05:23 <TimClark> Oh, wait, I don't have 95.5 on this machine, for the reasons above I still only have 95.4
02:05:59 <JohnTHaller> Can still test the launcher with it
02:06:11 <TimClark> ok
02:07:29 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: seemed to me that the way PAL handles it now would do it.
02:08:45 <JohnTHaller> Hmm. Spose that would make more of a reason for an update. But would be a bit more work. Maybe I'll wait til tomorrow on that then.
02:09:25 <TimClark> I take it it is currently hardcoded in the launcher JohnTHaller
02:09:31 <JohnTHaller> especially with the custom comspec code
02:09:45 <JohnTHaller> ClamWin still uses a custom launcher, yes
02:10:18 <JohnTHaller> wow Wesnoth is huge
02:10:38 <ZachThibeau> yeah, but it's a pretty good quality game
02:10:54 <JohnTHaller> you test it? think it's ready for stable?
02:11:06 <ZachThibeau> I've tested it and so has simeon
02:11:31 <ZachThibeau> I've played like 30 minutes of it and it's pretty good
02:11:39 <JohnTHaller> Cool. DLing now.
02:11:56 <JohnTHaller> I don't mind it since I have a 5mb upload speed now
02:12:18 <ZachThibeau> I'm supposed to have 7mb
02:12:31 <ZachThibeau> but latency sucks
02:12:47 <JohnTHaller> I actually get 5. 50mb down / 5mb up. New speed they just rolled out to my neighborhood. Of course it's US$100 a month
02:13:28 <ZachThibeau> if I get fibre optic basic package at $80 CAD I can get 80 mb download and 50mb upload
02:14:03 <Gizmokid2005> the newest option I have around here is 60Mx5M for $100/mo, but I'm still on my 30Mx3M for $80/mo
02:14:11 <JohnTHaller> I'd pay double for that if it was available. But it is not. And new fiber installs in most of the US have been cancelled.
02:14:38 <JohnTHaller> The only tier below mine is 30/1 for $80 a month. I need the up more than the down.
02:15:09 <JohnTHaller> TimClark: I think we're gonna PAL ClamWin but it's a bit more involved, so I'll get to it another day this week, ok?
02:15:25 <JohnTHaller> Until then, you can use the old launcher with the new release.
02:16:51 <TimClark> JohnTHaller: sure, I know of no critial reason to upgrade to 95.5 as my download checker at this point, and at work I use 95.5 to check indivdual files and directories that a not part of a FFP download
02:18:02 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: You wanna play with ClamWin PALed? Or shall I later in the week?
02:18:09 <TimClark> JohnTHaller: thanks for being amenable to the request
02:18:37 <ChrisMorgan> I can have a shot at at
02:18:39 <TimClark> Hopefully it will not complicate anything else
02:18:46 <JohnTHaller> Nah, it should be fine, TimClark
02:19:03 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: Ok. Feel free to post it directly as a Rev 2 Dev Test 1 when you get a chance :)
02:19:13 <ChrisMorgan> OK.
02:19:32 <JohnTHaller> ZachThibeau: Think the APpID should be WesnothPortable as opposed tor BattleForWesnothPortable?
02:19:37 <TimClark> Another PAP goes PAL, ChrisMorgan must be pleased :D Will it be a Dev Test or a Development Test :P
02:19:59 <ZachThibeau> JohnTHaller: probably fit better on the platform and look nicer
02:20:13 <ChrisMorgan> TimClark: a Dev Test... *sigh*
02:20:24 <TimClark> joke/jk :P
02:20:41 <JohnTHaller> The Battle For Wesnoth will be the display name either way.
02:21:34 <ZachThibeau> yeah appid shoudl be WesnothPortable
02:22:07 <JohnTHaller> Hmm... gotta update it from 1.8.4 to 1.8.5. Know if anything specific is changed in the app?
02:22:30 <ZachThibeau> not personally, I suppose a look at the changelog should give us an idea
02:23:17 <Gizmokid2005> I'd love a FiOS connection here, but they don't offer it :(
02:23:37 <ZachThibeau> new version changes are for translations and some graphics issues and some campaign scripts/additions
02:23:41 <JohnTHaller> FiOS is dead, sadly
02:24:25 * TimClark wonders what a FiOS connection is ?
02:24:39 <ZachThibeau> nothing core wise that would mess with settings it would seem
02:25:39 <JohnTHaller> Fiber optic connection to the home. Fastest internet available in the US. Done by national provider Verizon.
02:27:26 <Gizmokid2005> nah, not dead for long
02:27:31 <Gizmokid2005> especially once google gets into the biz
02:27:34 <TimClark> ty JohnTHaller
02:27:37 <Gizmokid2005> which should be announced soon iirc
02:27:47 <JohnTHaller> Google already delayed their selection of a test city at least 6 mos.
02:27:50 <Gizmokid2005> I mean, the pilot city
02:27:53 <JohnTHaller> I mean the project.
02:28:42 <JohnTHaller> Google is gonna try fiber in one city, but I don't think it will work out monetarily. Due to the way things work here, we're gonna be stuck waiting for wireless tech to catch up. Verizon has scrapped FiOS for LTE.
02:29:04 <Gizmokid2005> Since when?
02:29:06 <Gizmokid2005> for both I mean
02:29:17 <Gizmokid2005> FiOS is so much cheaper to maintain than coax or copper
02:29:24 <Gizmokid2005> it's just the initial rollout
02:30:07 <JohnTHaller> FiOS requires new installs. The cost of the initial rollout is too expensive. So Verizon scrapped. They do new installs to neighborhoods where the fiber is already laid, but are not doing new areas. It won't come to where I live in NYC.
02:30:25 <Gizmokid2005> I don't see it taking long
02:30:40 <JohnTHaller> My brother in law worked for Verizon in MA as a lineworker. They did a ton of layoffs when the scrapped FiOS for all of Massachusetts.
02:30:54 <Gizmokid2005> http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20101215-711875.html
02:31:41 <JohnTHaller> Demand means nothing. FiOS had high demand. But the cost of labor is so high that they couldn't keep the price competitive with DSL and Cable which use existing infrasctructre and are all 95%+ of people need.
02:32:34 <Gizmokid2005> Fiber is so much cheaper than copper lines
02:32:48 <Gizmokid2005> my cheap company even went to a fiber ring around here because it was cheaper than OC3/DS3 connections
02:32:50 <JohnTHaller> That's why Verizon gave up on it. Laying new infrasctructure through much of the US is nearly impossible to accomplish due to legal structures, easements, etc.
02:32:53 <Gizmokid2005> and better bandwidth
02:33:08 <Gizmokid2005> verizon fails as a company to begin with
02:33:15 <Gizmokid2005> I don't see google taking long to make an announcement
02:34:02 <JohnTHaller> Yeah. An announcement of one test community in one location that will be a relatively small place probably picked because they have their infrastructure and legal ducks in a row. Which will be awesome for them. But it means nothing for the rest of us, unfortunately.
02:34:48 <JohnTHaller> It simply won't happen in NYC, for instance. Or in states like MA where a huge chunk of lines are on private land.
02:35:22 <Gizmokid2005> eh, it's just a matter of time
02:35:38 <Gizmokid2005> fiber doesn't require the base infrastructure that copper and coax does
02:35:44 <Gizmokid2005> ie - remote terminals, etc.
02:36:23 <JohnTHaller> The problem is that it's new install of infrastructure. DSL built on copper phone lines which already exist. ANd cable modems built on the already existing infrastructure. that's why we have em pretty much everywhere.
02:36:42 <JohnTHaller> By the time Google makes any serious movement (few years) we'll have Wimax 4.0.
02:37:05 <JohnTHaller> Sadly, wesnoth fails to launch on my PC using the launcher... so it's probably a non-starter for tonights release.
02:37:06 <Gizmokid2005> wimax has a less of a chance of taking off than fiber does
02:37:48 <JohnTHaller> Scratch that. The launcher.ini needed some quotes around the data path
02:38:47 <JohnTHaller> There are 3/4 companies doing national or semi-national Wimax or LTE rollouts right now. There are 0 companies doing national or semi-national fiber rollouts.
02:39:00 <JohnTHaller> 3/4 = 3 or 4 not 3 quarters
02:39:30 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, but wimax requires more land/towers to actually work than is feasible
02:39:49 <Gizmokid2005> plus with the carriers limiting all their data plans, wimax isn't going anywhere
02:40:44 <JohnTHaller> I'm not saying today. I'm saying in the 3 years it'll take Google to even really start to make traction with fiber
02:40:51 <Gizmokid2005> i still don't see it
02:40:55 <JohnTHaller> Wimax/LTE is pretty useless today.
02:40:57 <Gizmokid2005> not with the ridiculous bandwidth limits
02:41:04 <Gizmokid2005> that are getting worse by the year
02:41:05 <JohnTHaller> that'll change.,
02:41:11 <Gizmokid2005> I doubt it.
02:41:22 <JohnTHaller> considering wired ones are doing the same thing now. not to mention blocking sites like hulu.com
02:41:23 <Gizmokid2005> they've already found they can charge up the arse for bandwidth, why give up the extra easy money?
02:41:40 <JohnTHaller> to compete with wired.
02:41:44 <Gizmokid2005> they may be, but 250GB is something most people will never see, whereas 2-5GB most people can go through easily in a day.
02:41:47 <Gizmokid2005> I doubt it.
02:42:03 <Gizmokid2005> that's like saying all these companies that started charging to mail your invoice are going to stop
02:42:12 <JohnTHaller> You do realize that 96% of people don't go over 2GB in a month with their mobile devices.
02:42:29 <Gizmokid2005> maybe their phones, but iPads, tablets, etc, very different story.
02:42:41 <TimClark> *cough* off topic *cough*
02:42:45 <TimClark> Joke/joke/jk :P
02:42:47 <JohnTHaller> The caps are based on current useage modes... which is mobile. Wimax/LTE isn't targeted at home users yet because they don't have the infrastructure for it.
02:42:52 <Gizmokid2005> and imagine if they started imposing a 2Gb limit on iphone users?
02:43:04 <JohnTHaller> They simply can't compete with Cable or DSL with their current infrastructure.
02:43:58 <ChrisMorgan> TimClark: I was just wondering whether at some point I should say "you know what? I really don't care at all :D"
02:44:06 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, shush you CM
02:44:35 <TimClark> Hey, I have a dial up modem, anything would be an improvement :O
02:44:48 <Gizmokid2005> you live in chicago, that's your choice :P
02:44:58 <TimClark> Gizmokid2005: :P
02:45:31 <ChrisMorgan> In the suburbs of Melbourne ADSL2+ is the fastest that can be got; further in the PIPE/SOUL networks are available (though expensive!), 100MB/s up and down. And at certain other locations like Monash University.
02:45:52 <JohnTHaller> Melbourne doesn't relate to US though
02:45:54 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, the US has the least developed infrastructure of all 1st world countries.
02:45:58 <Gizmokid2005> it's pretty sad actually
02:46:02 <JohnTHaller> Very very sad.
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02:46:09 <Gizmokid2005> Yep
02:46:13 <Gizmokid2005> just like our electric infrastructure
02:46:20 <Gizmokid2005> it'd be so easy to take out the US utilities...
02:46:30 <JohnTHaller> I always say it's the rule of 3s. We get 1/3 the bandwidth of developed countries (Japan, South Korea, etc) 3 years after them for 3x the price.
02:46:42 <Gizmokid2005> yes, that's exactly it too
02:46:55 <JohnTHaller> It took me until last year to finally have 1mb upload even available to me.
02:47:02 <Gizmokid2005> it's because in the US, nearly everything is owned by private for-profit companies rather than actually gov't run/mandated.
02:47:19 <JohnTHaller> It took me until 30 days ago to finally have anything above 1mb available to me (and I mean available as in available at any price).
02:47:37 <JohnTHaller> And I live in NYC. That's right. NYC is this bad.
02:47:45 <Gizmokid2005> yes, but NYC is fail in so many things.
02:47:56 <Gizmokid2005> infrastructure-wise that is.
02:48:07 <JohnTHaller> Of course. Our infrasctructure is horrible here. So outdated. You should see the phone lines in our neighborhood.
02:48:48 <JohnTHaller> Just basic HD cable with a rented DVR is over $100 a month. And you can only be served by one cable company. No competition. Needless to say, I'm cancelling it this week.
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02:49:10 <Gizmokid2005> that's the other fail, is the monopolies that exist.
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02:52:10 <JohnTHaller> Alright, I'm digging Wesnoth
02:53:59 <JohnTHaller> Hmm... looks like Kai fixed some bugs in 1.8.5 but didn't post it yet. So maybe not for today.
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03:06:22 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: october and november I've used over 110GB of bandwidth each month and this month is on par to be even more usage.
03:06:44 <Gizmokid2005> before that it was nearly 80GB/mo consistently since may
03:21:32 <JohnTHaller> Alright, Hedgewars it is, then
03:22:41 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: You don't like having subdirectories in DirectoriesMove right?
03:22:59 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: no
03:25:01 <ChrisMorgan> Mainly because it requires the parent directory to be there which may be forgotten (i.e. must be in settings or requires default data) but also because it's not as neat.
03:26:31 <JohnTHaller> ok
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03:36:14 <pa_9950> I wanted to extend the portable apps suite and add like 30 more apps from your site. Is there a way to make a suite that has more apps in it, we will have our staff load it as one big file instead of having to load the suite and the each app. Is there a way to create our own suite adding more then what you have in your suite
03:41:47 <JohnTHaller> Depends on what you're doing with it. For internal use that's fine. It can't be redistributed altered like that, though.
03:54:10 <pa_9950> hi john
03:55:18 <JohnTHaller> Hi
03:58:56 <JohnTHaller> Today's new app is up: http://portableapps.com/news/2010-12-19_-_hedgewars_portable_0.9.14.1
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04:01:18 <vf2nsr> So tell me john how you going to keep up this pace in January lol raising hte bar are you lol
04:04:16 <JohnTHaller> We'll see. One a day isn't so bad. Especially if I start queuing more up. Getting the dev test team to do that would make it pretty easy.
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04:05:23 <vf2nsr> :)
04:06:57 <pa_8490> Hi John, i have a question for you, can we use skype IM. We are creating a business and wanted to include portable apps as part of the offer - my skype is: michaelsinclair.myaa can we IM private (off this public format)?
04:07:55 <JohnTHaller> skype invite sent
04:08:29 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: *whew*, after our heated discussion earlier today I was mildly afraid you'd have had you just getting me in the screenshot ;-)
04:09:06 <JohnTHaller> huh?
04:09:39 <ChrisMorgan> In the Hedgewars screenshot
04:09:46 <ChrisMorgan> Not that it was really heated, just silly :-)
04:10:05 <ChrisMorgan> But then, it doesn't look like it displays player names above their hedgehogs.
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04:12:27 <JohnTHaller> Hah. That would've been funny.
04:12:50 <JohnTHaller> And I didn't think of it as heated at all on my end. I was kinda amused by it with us both stuck in our reasoning.
04:15:38 <ChrisMorgan> Heated was just the word I used for it. Not a very precise description of it.
04:16:04 <ChrisMorgan> That would really make quite a good type of screenshot... the development team blowing one another up :D
04:16:17 <JohnTHaller> It really would
04:19:22 <JohnTHaller> A little involved to do at the moment, but could be setup in about 10 mins
04:21:31 <vf2nsr> BTW Chris and John just wanted to say thanks again for your help and expierence today
04:21:39 <JohnTHaller> Sure thing
04:21:55 <JohnTHaller> Gotta spread the knowledge around so more people can help out :)
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10:25:42 <Dude> any admin on?
10:26:12 <Dude> iuhu
10:26:14 <Dude> :D
10:27:14 <Dude> is there a way to install application throught the platform in a specific folder on the portable divice?
10:27:35 <Dude> i want to organize the software i install on the portable divice
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11:30:29 <Simeon> Hi
11:30:39 <Simeon> @ Dude: you still here?
11:32:03 <Simeon> If you install aps through the platform, they will always go into the default location (X:/PortableApps/AppnamePortable
11:32:05 <Simeon> )
11:32:31 <Simeon> If you want a different folder, you'll have to do it manually.
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11:52:31 <pa_3461> Hi! How do you update your installed software in PortableApps? I mean I read on your site on Google Chrome's page that I could update it with some "Check for Updates" button on the PA panel. I don't see any button.
11:53:33 <pa_3461> There's only one word that's translated as "Update/Refresh" and it only refreshes. Then there's start automatically, uninstall etc... But nothing involving checking for updates. Btw I love your software :)
11:55:19 <pa_3461> help!
11:55:19 <GizmoBot> pa_3461: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
12:00:50 <pa_3461> Ok I'm really sorry. I spent some time looking at your site and found out there is no "check for updates" button... I just have to install a new paf on top of the previous one
12:00:53 <pa_3461> Thanks and sorry!
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13:40:23 <dboki89> SPAM. No links, but still promoting (his own?) commercial software --> http://portableapps.com/node/25947
13:41:48 <ChrisMorgan> Yep, killed.
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17:36:40 <vf2nsr> Afternoon all
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17:38:38 <JohnTHaller> hola
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17:39:43 <Simeon> hi all
17:40:56 <vf2nsr> JohnTHaller: do you have guidelines for what is permissible for a blog? ie I wanted to created one to start as sort of a homepage listing my currentl apps as well as dev apps?
17:41:17 <JohnTHaller> You actually have a blog on PA.c now.
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17:41:38 <vf2nsr> yES i FOUND OUT JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF THAT IS AN OK TOPIC SO TO SPEAK
17:41:45 <vf2nsr> oops sorry
17:41:47 <JohnTHaller> That's what it's for :)
17:41:52 <vf2nsr> someone moved caps lock on me
17:41:59 <vf2nsr> awesome thanks
17:42:14 <vf2nsr> AND I promise not to messit up with html lol
17:42:14 <JohnTHaller> hang on, lemme get you a blog alias
17:42:20 <vf2nsr> ok
17:42:21 <JohnTHaller> You can use HTML in your blog.
17:42:38 <JohnTHaller> Just the special one for devs. Not full HTML (that's only for pages on the site)
17:42:42 <vf2nsr> I meant that other format I keep some how using lol
17:42:53 <JohnTHaller> btw - you want to keep your username or switch to your actual name?
17:43:20 <vf2nsr> user since that is what i am known as
17:43:36 <JohnTHaller> known on the site or outside?
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17:43:41 <vf2nsr> yes
17:43:45 <vf2nsr> both
17:43:49 <vf2nsr> lol
17:44:04 <JohnTHaller> Ah ok. We usually try and encourage people to use real names when possible. Looks far more legit.
17:44:13 <vf2nsr> then go real
17:44:27 <vf2nsr> and first entry will explain meaning of user name
17:44:41 <vf2nsr> lol
17:44:52 <JohnTHaller> Most folks use their former username in their sig for a couple months. Gringoloco did.
17:45:06 <JohnTHaller> I've always been my full name. Though outside PA.c I'm usually CritterNYC
17:45:31 <vf2nsr> thought about that but tehn again I have about 14 apps in dev so did not want to cnfuse matters
17:46:08 <vf2nsr> with real name in official apps and user for dev
17:46:26 <vf2nsr> afk phone
17:46:47 <JohnTHaller> Argh. cron is failing again
17:55:57 <vf2nsr> I back sorry about that
17:56:05 <vf2nsr> cron?
17:56:51 <BeckySanderlin`x> cronic?
17:56:57 <ZachThibeau> cron job
17:56:59 <dboki89> g task scheduler of sorts
17:57:06 <ZachThibeau> precisely
17:57:17 <JohnTHaller> automated tasks in drupal. indexing, etc. Drupal's cron is awful. It bails out when there is a problem with no indication of what went wrong.
17:57:39 <ZachThibeau> why use drupals built in cron, I use server cron personally via ssh
17:57:58 <vf2nsr> ah ok
17:58:00 <JohnTHaller> server cron calls Drupal cron
17:58:14 <JohnTHaller> Drupal cron is what actually does the database updates and search indexing. It's a PHP script.
17:58:36 <JohnTHaller> Server cron is just the scheduler that kicks off tasks. It has no functionality beyong that on its own.
18:03:11 <JohnTHaller> site offline for about 5 mins
18:05:02 <vf2nsr> bbiaf need to reboot puter
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18:09:09 <spgSCOTT> "Have some tea and we'll be back before you know it... (There were some biscuits around here somewhere, too, but we think one of our hard-working developers ate them all.)"
18:09:10 <spgSCOTT> Love it
18:09:47 <JohnTHaller> Heh, added that at 2am the other night because I thought it was funny
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18:18:51 <spgSCOTT> ahh...my ipod wont accept that the site is offline...still loads it...wanted to save a link on the home screen to it with the logo...
18:22:13 <JohnTHaller> Ah figured out why subscriptions were failing
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18:51:59 <Simeon> Im back :)
18:54:53 <Simeon> John: Why is Skype missing a launcher source?
18:55:45 <JohnTHaller> Because I didn't release it. It's a closed source launcher for a closed source app.
18:55:54 <Simeon> ah - ok
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19:00:49 <vf2nsr> JohnTHaller: brain dead here did we decide on real nam eor user name for blog?
19:03:32 <Simeon> I think we really need to figure out which Dev keeps eating all the biscuits! >:o
19:04:07 <Simeon> (other than that, i like it as it made me laugh when I wasnt expecting it to)
19:04:52 <vf2nsr> Me thinks it is Chris all I asked for was diet Mt dew
19:05:17 <Simeon> haha
19:05:46 <Simeon> its back online - I hope John cron job refills the jar ;)
19:08:53 <vf2nsr> Me 2
19:11:12 <ZachThibeau> anyways I'm off to start my second shift of work later everyone, be done in about 5-6 hours
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19:35:07 <JohnTHaller> I'm gonna smack anyone that posts uneddited regshot results from now on
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19:46:55 <Gizmokid2005> lol JohnTHaller, no you won't :P
19:47:14 <Gizmokid2005> also, I talked to some friends at VZN, they aren't stopping FiOS at all, maybe in MA, but not most places.
19:47:26 <JohnTHaller> Seriously, I just lost another 90 minutes of my life because someone did it again.
19:47:35 <Gizmokid2005> mess up drupal?
19:48:08 <Gizmokid2005> Florida, California, Texas, and NYC are currently being developed right now
19:48:14 <Gizmokid2005> that we know of.
19:48:16 <JohnTHaller> 4k regshots cause the indexing bit to break. which causes search index to fail. which causes cron to fail 1/2 way through. which means subscriptions and updates never go out.
19:48:36 <Gizmokid2005> no filter for it?
19:48:44 <JohnTHaller> I know MA for a fact stopped and is going wirless only due to geography from my brother being laid off.
19:49:40 <JohnTHaller> And I asked with Verizon and they have no plans to rollout to more NYC neighborhoods. It was covered in our local TV news as well.
19:50:10 <JohnTHaller> Sucks because they made it about 1/2 mile from me before they stopped about 6 mos ago.
19:50:28 <JohnTHaller> (Our neighborhood was supposed to be live in January)
19:50:36 <JohnTHaller> (of 2010)
19:51:05 <JohnTHaller> No, no way to filter regshots. And a 4k regshot is completely useless anyway. If your regshot is 4k, you're not doing it right and it won't tell us anything.
19:55:47 <JohnTHaller> Alright, posted a quick guide: http://portableapps.com/node/25952
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20:11:16 <Zach[AFK]> personally I would just ask people to use pastebin for regshots period (sort of here, sshing into my box via my dinky midp cellphone :P)
20:12:06 <JohnTHaller> anybody got an ipod touch/iphone?
20:12:21 <Zach[AFK]> I wish
20:12:50 <Zach[AFK]> iirc Bensawsome has one but he's afk it seems for the moment
20:13:07 <JohnTHaller> I'm getting a new G2 this week. Much prefer that to iAnything myself. But there's a specific feature I want to ensure is working for iOS users.
20:13:28 <Zach[AFK]> diib: don't you have an ipod touch?
20:14:46 <dboki89> JohnTHaller: just a thought - maybe you should sticky the "Regshot Guidelines".
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20:15:40 <diib> Correct
20:15:46 <diib> 2. Why?
20:15:52 <OnlineGuy> Hi is anybody busy
20:16:21 <Zach[AFK]> diib: <JohnTHaller> anybody got an ipod touch/iphone? <JohnTHaller> I'm getting a new G2 this week. Much prefer that to iAnything myself. But there's a specific feature I want to ensure is working for iOS users.
20:16:24 <JohnTHaller> OnlineGuy: How can we help you?
20:16:50 <JohnTHaller> diib: Could you bookmark PortableApps.com and stick it on your homescreen just temporariliy to be sure you get the new iOS bookmark icon for it?
20:17:07 <diib> Sure
20:17:46 <diib> JohnTHaller, Yep. There's an icon
20:19:29 <diib> One sec. I'll have a screenshot on my twitter
20:19:29 <JohnTHaller> Cool
20:19:29 <diib> Sent
20:19:30 <spgSCOTT> Haha I was just about to post that it doesn't but as I typed it changed :) I tried to get basically that icon when the site was down off of the picture, but I couldn't...
20:20:01 <OnlineGuy> I was thinking about to create theme for PortableApps.com Platform. And I was also thinking about sending some to http://ptc.kain-planet.de/ But I want to know if there any website I can use their icons for my themes. So I donät get any copyright problems
20:21:46 <OnlineGuy> So I don't get any copyright problems
20:22:34 <JohnTHaller> If you're releasing as GPL, you can use the icons we include with the platform (and modify them) or download the Oxygen icon set or Crystal icon set (both of which we use stuff from)
20:23:33 <JohnTHaller> diib: what is your twitter acct anyway
20:23:47 <spgSCOTT> I have a screenshot here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3105891/Pics/PAc.jpg
20:23:53 <diib> dbdii407
20:24:30 <JohnTHaller> Ah forgot about the full brightening they do to the top of it.
20:26:04 <OnlineGuy> I have something else to ask
20:26:54 <JohnTHaller> Sure
20:29:09 <JohnTHaller> Thanks diib and spgSCOTT for the screenshots
20:29:20 <OnlineGuy> How do PortableApps.com get donations does it have the ability to send donations via text. I have hard time to trust online banks. One of my fears is identity theft
20:29:52 <JohnTHaller> Via text is more prone to fraud than anything else, honestly. And it costs a LOT of money to set it up, so only big charities do it.
20:32:47 <JohnTHaller> At least here in the US anyway, which is where we are located. Credit cards are the only common form of payment here other than cash. Hardly anywhere will accept phone, paypal or even checks.
20:32:48 <OnlineGuy> But if somebody wants to contribute in someway. What can they do then?
20:33:13 <JohnTHaller> You could send a check I spose.
20:33:35 <JohnTHaller> We can't accept wire transfers either. Also uncommon in the US and they cost more to accept than we get in an avg donation.
20:34:21 <OnlineGuy> Alright. But beside money.
20:34:37 <JohnTHaller> What kind of donation besides money?
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20:36:01 <pa_2648> how to unistall portable app. from m pen drive
20:36:03 <pa_2648> ?
20:36:08 <diib> delete the folder
20:36:40 <OnlineGuy> I don't know maybe spread the word to people about PortableApps.com or something
20:36:45 <spgSCOTT> You're welcome John
20:37:34 <JohnTHaller> Ah, we have some userbars somewhere in the forums you can use on your site and in forum sigs. That always helps. And spreading the word via twitter, facebook or just talking to people is always appreciated :)
20:38:06 <JohnTHaller> pa_2648: You can just delete the folders for PortableApps and Documents (if you're not using either of them for anything else) as well as the autorun.inf and StartPortableApps.exe files in the root.
20:39:04 <JohnTHaller> .. back in a bit guys :)
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20:41:11 <OnlineGuy> Just so you know. I have told many people. Family. My friends, co workers. Some people who never did no about PortableApps.com and many of them did feel forced to use U3 Launchpad. But when I did tell about PortableApps.com Platform. Many U3 Launchpad softwares was deleted that day
20:43:05 <OnlineGuy> Many more I can remeber
20:43:12 <OnlineGuy> Remember
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20:46:42 <OnlineGuy> know not no
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22:09:09 <pa_1220> How do I change the theme?
22:12:11 <dboki89> pa_1220: That depends. Which PortableApps menu do you use? "Platform 1.6" or "Platform 2 beta 5"? Former can't change themes, and the latter can by going Options > Theme and choose one
22:18:29 <pa_1220> Why does it have it then?
22:18:34 <pa_1220> The other theems/
22:18:37 <pa_1220> ?
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23:14:27 <pa_1350> hello?
23:14:56 <pa_1350> is anyone online and willing to chat?
23:15:02 <pa_1350> I have a question
23:15:54 <pa_1350> pls can someone answer?
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23:17:10 <BeckySanderlin`x> k
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