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08:01:02 <Peter___> Hello,
08:01:08 <JohnTHaller> hi Peter___
08:01:45 <Peter___> Hello John, please wait a moment untill I have copied and pasted my support request into this single line chat :-)
08:01:52 <Peter___> some applications will not start but quit with an error message, like “this application cannot start from an UNC path…”. This
08:01:58 <Peter___> happens for all applications which have a directory “Launcher” under “App\AppInfo” and I try to start from a mapped share.
08:02:03 <Peter___> Here some of them which do not work:
08:02:07 <Peter___> - Audaciy
08:02:12 <Peter___> - Foxit Reader
08:02:17 <Peter___> - Gnu Cash (does not shows an error message, but will not start)
08:02:19 <Peter___> - Irfan View
08:02:19 <JohnTHaller> UNC paths are not supported
08:02:22 <Peter___> - NSIS
08:02:24 <JohnTHaller> No need to paste more
08:02:26 <Peter___> - Sweet Home 3D
08:02:30 <Peter___> Many other works fine, so I would be glad if this can be fixed (I guess with a newer installer version).
08:02:35 <Peter___> Thanks
08:02:37 <Peter___> Peter
08:03:00 <JohnTHaller> We're working on the launchers to handle some UNC stuff. But many apps themselves don't like UNC paths. So the best thing to do is to map a drive letter to it.
08:03:23 <Peter___> I have mapped a drive
08:04:02 <JohnTHaller> Are you starting it from the mapped drive or from the UNC path?
08:04:28 <JohnTHaller> Some apps won't work properly from UNC even with a mapped drive letter (Google Chrome comes to mind).
08:05:33 <Peter___> Does it has to do with the installer? Because all application which do not work uses a directory "Launcher"
08:07:56 <JohnTHaller> Some apps are using the PA.c Launcher, a single launcher customized via INI. I don't know how well that handles UNC. Technically we've never supported UNC, but it should work with a drive letter.
08:08:14 <JohnTHaller> Gnu Cash does not use the PA.c Launcher.
08:08:37 <Peter___> Ok, so there is no solution about this?
08:09:08 <JohnTHaller> You'll need to type it all up and post it in the forums. It'll have to be researched and tested. It's more involved than a simple IRC answer.
08:09:31 <JohnTHaller> UNC paths are always a bit wonky when dealing with running apps. What OS are you on btw?
08:10:12 <Peter___> Windows 7 but as I mentioned before I run all applications from a drive letter - most work fine...
08:11:25 <JohnTHaller> You said it was a mapped drive letter. As in mapped to a UNC path. Windows treats it differently than a physical drive and some API calls will return the UNC path instead of the mapped path. Hence the term 'wonky'
08:11:52 <Peter___> Ok, I understand.
08:12:04 <Peter___> So I have to post this into a forum?
08:12:40 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, I can't answer it now, because it's likely to be at least a couple hours of research and testing. And you'll need to be able to respond to questions from devs so we can get to the root of it.
08:12:54 <JohnTHaller> And it's 3am and I need to sleep soon.
08:13:11 <Peter___> Ok, I will do this.
08:13:15 <Peter___> Thank you!
08:13:32 <JohnTHaller> Sure thing. Post it in Other Apps Support for now. ANd we'll get on it
08:13:53 <Peter___> Ok, have a nice day!
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09:21:21 <JohnTHaller> Today's new app is out: http://portableapps.com/news/2010-12-29_-_neverball_portable_1.5.4
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10:42:52 <pa_4279> Anyone here?
10:43:16 <pa_4279> I need help moving directories and files
10:43:22 <pa_4279> making a app portable
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15:25:37 <pa_9094> i used the compactor on the entire PA and now nothing works. what is my next step
15:28:48 <pa_9094> help
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15:38:50 <pa_9094> help
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16:57:51 <pa_9094> is there a final version of the updater?
16:58:48 <BeckySanderlin`x> not released as of yet?
17:00:48 <pa_9094> i just downloaded the suite again because my previous one just stopped functioning (due to something i did, no doubt)
17:00:59 <BeckySanderlin`x> k
17:01:21 <pa_9094> should i just download the beta updater and run that?
17:02:24 <pa_9094> and .. can i run the update exe file while the PA is up and running?
17:05:29 <BeckySanderlin`x> yes and yes
17:05:57 <pa_9094> thanks
17:18:00 <pa_9094> is it a good idea to defrag a flash drive
17:22:53 <pa_9094> i've got the new suite installed, updated all the apps through the updater, what else can i do to be upto date and improve my experience?
17:29:28 <pa_9094> BeckySanderlin`x: does the suite consists of the latest menu and backup app?
17:29:54 <BeckySanderlin`x> i dont know. im on linux now
17:30:07 <BeckySanderlin`x> but i doubt it
17:30:10 <BeckySanderlin`x> since its beta
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18:40:04 <vixenfinder> hiya anyone active right now?
18:40:15 <gluxon> I am.
18:40:24 <gluxon> But that's because I just came in :P
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18:40:31 <vixenfinder> :D
18:40:52 <vixenfinder> I'm checking the forums first before I ask so brb
18:42:13 <vixenfinder> Who are the admins for this irc?
18:42:58 <gluxon> They're at the top of the list.
18:43:13 <gluxon> Gizmokid, Maien, and Zach.
18:43:16 <vixenfinder> Ah okay. Still pretty new to IRC.
18:43:27 <gluxon> There's more admins, but they're not all online right now.
18:43:39 <vixenfinder> "I see," said the blind man
18:43:59 <vixenfinder> so I had an ideat that I wanted to throw out there and see who picks it up
18:45:55 <gluxon> Go ahead. What is it? :)
18:46:18 <vixenfinder> I use firefox on portableapps but there is significant lag that I because it has to read/write files to the usb. It would be very nice to copy the firefox folder into a temporary directory when you start the program and then return the files back to the usb when you eject.
18:46:39 <vixenfinder> I do this manually but if there were a script that would be useful
18:46:50 <gluxon> vixenfinder: That functionality is already implanted :)
18:46:59 <gluxon> Go into the Other folder.
18:47:04 <gluxon> And then "Source"
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18:47:13 <gluxon> Find a file called "FirefoxPortable.ini"
18:47:26 <gluxon> Copy and paste it back in the same folder as FirefoxPortable.exe
18:47:27 <vixenfinder> there
18:48:07 <gluxon> Open it up, and find a line where it says "RunLocally=False"
18:48:12 <gluxon> Change that value to "True"
18:48:39 <vixenfinder> hmm... okay
18:48:52 <gluxon> Now start FirefoxPortable.exe
18:49:14 <gluxon> Start up will slow down since Firefox has to be copied over though.
18:49:39 <vixenfinder> but once it's loaded the files will be in a temp directory?
18:50:53 <gluxon> Yes. :)
18:50:57 <vixenfinder> ...that does it. All the good ideas have now been taken.
18:52:40 <vixenfinder> Lol so after firefox closes the usb files are overwritten with the temp ones?
18:53:24 <gluxon> Yes.
18:53:45 <gluxon> To $TEMP\FirefoxPortable\profile
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18:53:54 <vixenfinder> It's good to know this feature is availble for systems that have read only parameters for guests and such
18:53:58 <gluxon> $TEMP\FirefoxPortable\plugins
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18:54:09 <gluxon> $TEMP\FirefoxPortable\program
18:54:21 <gluxon> And they're copied back after you exit Firefox.
18:55:22 <gluxon> Where $TEMP is the location of your Temporary Folder (Usually C:\Users\USERNAME\AppData\Roaming)
18:55:34 <vixenfinder> yeah
18:55:51 <vixenfinder> I just confirmed that
18:56:56 <vixenfinder> I've recently been working on a small aplication with a parter called CDisplayEx, maybe he might consider getting it bound into a portableapp
18:58:56 <vixenfinder> anyways thx for the help
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20:06:24 <pa_9094> gluxon: once the file is renamed as an .exe how do you open it?
20:07:13 <gluxon> Wait, what?
20:07:20 <gluxon> What file are you renaming?
20:07:51 <pa_9094> the ini
20:08:02 <gluxon> Oh, I didn't say to rename the ini into an exe.
20:08:17 <pa_9094> does it need to be edited before naming it to exe?
20:08:21 <gluxon> What I said was to copy FirefoxPortable.ini to the same folder as FirefoxPortable.exe
20:08:37 <gluxon> Sorry if I wasn't clear.
20:08:39 <pa_9094> oh.. lol
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20:09:40 <gluxon> So, it should some something like this.
20:09:59 <gluxon> [X]:\PortableApps\FirefoxPortable\FirefoxPortable.exe
20:10:06 <gluxon> [X]:\PortableApps\FirefoxPortable\FirefoxPortable.ini
20:11:13 <pa_9094> did that
20:11:56 <gluxon> Now open up FirefoxPortable.ini (the new one you just copied)
20:12:05 <gluxon> And find RunLocally=
20:12:16 <gluxon> Change it to RunLocally=True
20:12:20 <gluxon> Then save the file, and close it.
20:12:40 <gluxon> Then start Firefox Portable, and it should start running it in a local folder :)
20:19:28 <pa_9094> but will it leave a trace behind
20:20:04 <gluxon> All PortableApps leave a trace.
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20:26:02 <pa_9094> i thought the whole point was not to leave any trace behind
20:27:41 <gluxon> No, the whole point is to carry your Personal information.
20:28:08 <gluxon> And leave no "personal" data behind.
20:28:23 <gluxon> pa_9094: Windows keeps track of all Apps that are run.
20:28:50 <gluxon> There's a forum topic with more information if you want me to find it.
20:29:05 <pa_9094> so what's the diff
20:29:17 <pa_9094> isn't running apps personal
20:29:53 <gluxon> Well, your Firefox Portable profile is considered personal.
20:29:56 <BeckySanderlin`x> pa_9094: are you l ooking for a browser that leaves no trace behind?
20:30:05 <BeckySanderlin`x> or all apps that do that?
20:30:20 <gluxon> BeckySanderlin`x: There is no browser that leaves no trace behind.
20:30:22 <BeckySanderlin`x> Opera Portable One-Use 11.00 (English, other languages see below)
20:30:22 <BeckySanderlin`x> All settings, history, cache etc are completely destroyed after running. This is suitable if you run Opera Portable from LAN shares, CD/DVD, or other non-writable media.
20:30:51 <gluxon> No. Again, any app you run is recorded in Windows.
20:32:47 <pa_9094> i thought that having PA on a stick would keep everything private, including running any apps, browsing history and saving any and all data on the stick
20:33:50 <gluxon> pa_9094: It does.
20:34:27 <pa_9094> but the local computer would still know what apps i launched etc.?
20:34:54 <gluxon> Take a look at these two forum topics: http://portableapps.com/node/24389, http://portableapps.com/node/12827
20:36:24 <pa_9094> ok
20:36:28 <gluxon> It's impossible to be completely stealthy, but we try to get as close to it as we can.
20:37:04 <gluxon> For example, in the Windows Start Menu, apps that you run the most will make it's way up to the top of the list.
20:37:22 <gluxon> To do that, it keeps a log of all the apps you run.
20:38:27 <gluxon> That was just an example though, last time I checked, our launchers erase themselves from that log though.
20:38:52 <pa_9094> but there are settings that will allow it NOT to remember that
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20:39:30 <MaienM> there are limits to what windows allows us to do
20:39:38 <MaienM> and we have to operate within those limits
20:40:44 <MaienM> PortableApps are designed to keep your personal information stored on your USB stick, so you can keep them with you, and to keep the amount of (personal) information left behind limited
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20:45:21 <pa_9094> so if i run the CCleaner will it erase any remaining information from the local computer?
20:47:43 <pa_9094> by the way i wanted two particalar website to open whenever i launch the FF and i changed that via the Option from the FF menu but the information did not get saved and the default pages opened.
20:48:14 <pa_9094> pages=tabs
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20:53:48 <pa_9094> MaienM: any thoughts
20:54:35 <MaienM> not sure about the ccleaner part, as running ccleaner will again leave traces of the fact that it has been ran
20:54:55 <MaienM> but the ff problem sounds like something that shouldn't be happening
20:55:14 <MaienM> ff should remember your preferences, which include your homepage
20:55:39 <MaienM> unless perhaps you removed the usb while ff was still running/ff crashed or something like that
20:57:54 <pa_9094> right.. i opened two tabs and visited the two frequent sites i need and clicked the "use current" and it recorded the sites in the text box and i exited and saved on the prompt and reponed ff and they were not recorded and the default tabs opened. and no i did not touch the flash drive
20:58:50 <BeckySanderlin`x> pa_9094: query
21:04:09 <pa_9094> BeckySanderlin`x: thanks.. so i need the Opera Portable Personal 11.00?
21:04:32 <BeckySanderlin`x> One-Use
21:05:45 <pa_9094> i c... use it like it is running from a non re-writeable media?
21:06:09 <BeckySanderlin`x> create folder, drop exe in, exec exe
21:06:47 <pa_9094> i can use the app installer from the PA?
21:07:18 <BeckySanderlin`x> i dont think so, as its not a PA app
21:07:36 <BeckySanderlin`x> just create a folder
21:07:57 <BeckySanderlin`x> in your usb
21:08:10 <BeckySanderlin`x> under pa or where ever
21:08:39 <BeckySanderlin`x> and if you open pa, the menu will see it
21:10:22 <pa_9094> right.. i should have read this "Adding Other Apps to the PortableApps.com Menu" first.. :)
21:11:16 <BeckySanderlin`x> k
21:11:21 <pa_9094> just have to run the "refresh apps icon"
21:12:11 <pa_9094> my 1GB is filling up fast.. now i will have 2 browsers :)
21:28:21 <pa_9094> BeckySanderlin`x: everything is working fine except the same problem as FF i want it to open a particular website but it won't
21:33:27 <BeckySanderlin`x> invest in a 8 or 16gb USB
21:33:38 <BeckySanderlin`x> and what website are you trying to open?
21:34:06 <pa_9094> no matter what i choose it just won't save
21:34:21 <pa_9094> and i have more than 400mb still left
21:34:35 <BeckySanderlin`x> i dont understand what it is you are typing
21:35:37 <pa_9094> i visit www.cnn.com and simple go to preference and say "use current" as my "home page" but it won't save
21:35:46 <pa_9094> ff has the same issue
21:37:10 <BeckySanderlin`x> why not just go to preferences and do it there ?
21:37:26 <BeckySanderlin`x> oh.. wait. u just said that
21:37:31 <BeckySanderlin`x> weird, it works for me
21:37:33 <pa_9094> tried that too
21:38:04 <pa_9094> i thought you meant just manually type it in there.. :)
21:38:32 <BeckySanderlin`x> well.. yah
21:38:55 <pa_9094> tried both ways
21:39:24 <BeckySanderlin`x> like in firefox (what i have open atm).. it says in pref.. 'When firefox starts..'
21:39:45 <BeckySanderlin`x> Home Page: http://www.google.com
21:39:52 <BeckySanderlin`x> just change what is there to what you want
21:39:55 <BeckySanderlin`x> then save
21:40:07 <BeckySanderlin`x> then exit, and reopen FF (or browser)
21:40:12 <BeckySanderlin`x> and it works
21:42:37 <pa_9094> yes.. i have done that many times but it won't save
21:43:19 <pa_9094> it prompts me to save and i acknowledge but when i close and reopen it still opens the default pages of ff websites
21:46:33 <pa_9094> "when ff starts": "show my home page" and in "home page" : "http://www.google.com"; but when i close>save>reopen I still have "http://start.portableapps.com/:
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