IRC Log from 2011-01-10
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00:27:57 <ZachThibeau> hola folks
00:32:44 <JohnTHaller> hola
00:33:09 <ChrisMorgan> Hey JohnTHaller
00:33:16 <ZachThibeau> finally moved everything linux side (now just using a windows vm for stuff to do with windows)
00:33:17 <JohnTHaller> hey ChrisMorgan. welcome back.
00:33:29 <ChrisMorgan> ZachThibeau: high five! :-)
00:33:35 <ZachThibeau> arch linux :D
00:33:45 <ZachThibeau> custom setup the way I want it :)
00:34:01 <JohnTHaller> Linux is for newbs! DOS is where it's at.
00:34:03 <ZachThibeau> plus will make me fix PChat to compile on linux again
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00:40:32 <gluxon> Linux is for newbs? O_o
00:40:44 <OliverK> 2 points
00:40:47 <OliverK> howdy taneth111
00:40:49 <OliverK> long time
00:41:11 <ZachThibeau> hey taneth111
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02:40:42 <pa_7978> hey anyone ehre?
02:40:44 <pa_7978> *here
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03:26:47 <JohnTHaller> hey ChrisMorgan, how would you handle letting the user manually set language if it were something like Pidgin using PAL?
03:27:03 <JohnTHaller> Specific env var needs to be set
03:28:51 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: the language should be written to some file - %PAL:DataDir%\settings\$AppIDSettings.ini
03:29:06 <JohnTHaller> Custom code, right?
03:30:03 <ChrisMorgan> No need, just a [FileWriteN] section for it
03:30:38 <JohnTHaller> But it also needs to handle pulling it from PA.c Platform if available.
03:30:59 <ChrisMorgan> I was going to add an option for it in 2.2, might just do it now; [Language]:SaveLanguage=true as equivalent to a [FileWriteN]+[LanguageFile] thing.
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03:31:38 <JohnTHaller> Basically, the way we do it for Pidgin and GIMP now which is (1) See if set by Platform, if so, use that (2) If not, check to see if user has manually defined it. If so, use that. Not present by default (3) Match OS (aka leave it blank and let the app do it)
03:32:36 <ChrisMorgan> FileWriteN+LanguageFile does it
03:33:06 <JohnTHaller> But what about the 3rd option, blank, which is our default for both apps.
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03:40:27 <ChrisMorgan> Would you be having a [Language]:CheckIfExists?
03:41:18 <JohnTHaller> Yes. But again, we want the env var to be blank by default if the user isn't using the platform and hasn't manually set it (which will be most users who aren't using the platform)
03:53:12 <ChrisMorgan> Do language files exist for English?
03:53:34 <JohnTHaller> Not foe en or en_US (the default). Just en_GB
03:53:47 <ChrisMorgan> Pity, otherwise just "DefaultIfNotExists=" would do it.
03:54:37 <ChrisMorgan> However that would make English "leave it to Pidgin" rather than English.
03:54:42 <JohnTHaller> I could through in an empty sub-directory there. But how do we get the user's selection into it
03:55:14 <JohnTHaller> I get the roundtrip otherwise var-wise... just not where the user can manually add it.
03:55:52 <JohnTHaller> (Granted I only know the language switching stuff well enough to do the standard roundtrip stuff with the platform involved)
03:56:52 <ChrisMorgan> Putting in a blank directory would do it, I think.
03:58:09 <JohnTHaller> Oh wait... I get it now.
04:02:17 <JohnTHaller> How does this look to you? http://pastebin.com/9HK3GKMN
04:02:55 <JohnTHaller> pretend it says LC_ALL=%PAL:LanguageCustom% in Env
04:05:44 <ChrisMorgan> That won't save the language, so it won't preserve language after set in the Platform.
04:06:22 <JohnTHaller> Between sessions you mean, right? But it will use it for that specific launch, which is the intention
04:06:28 <ChrisMorgan> So I think you'll want [FileWrite1], duplicate of [LanguageFile] plus Value=%PAL:LanguageCustom%
04:07:02 <JohnTHaller> Basically, I don't want it written to that INI unless the user does it. Otherwise, it's automatic by PAM first and automatic by OS if PAM didn't launch it.
04:07:44 <ChrisMorgan> The trend that we have been taking is to preserve the language so that people can set the language via the Platform and then it'll keep that even if they don't use the Platform.
04:08:47 <JohnTHaller> Right, when you can set the language in the app itself, that is. Which you can't here. So I'd like it to be automatic to the OS by default unless the user specifically alters it (just like the standard local app) and then add PAM automation as well.
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04:13:56 <JohnTHaller> And it's workin
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04:27:23 <JohnTHaller> OS auto, PAM auto and user manual all work properly.
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04:34:39 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: Does this look good to you? http://pastebin.com/zP1VzFTR
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04:51:28 <JacobMastel> JohnTHaller: I got an answer from Tom the other day. I just noticed the email you gave me bounced back. Can you pm me the email address so I can get it forwarded to you?
04:52:45 <JohnTHaller> PMed
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04:53:22 <taneth111> Hello KindOne
04:53:40 <KindOne> hi
05:11:03 <JohnTHaller> Today's release has been posted :) http://portableapps.com/news/2011-01-09_-_gnumeric_portable_1.10.12
05:21:07 <KindOne> hehehe I love it how you post new apps like 5 minutes before the day ends in EST
05:22:15 <JohnTHaller> Sometimes they're a wee bit late... so I set the clock back :) It's still 'today' somewhere :D
05:22:28 <OliverK> which day is today?
05:22:36 <JohnTHaller> Sunday Jan 9th
05:22:46 <OliverK> still jan 9th here
05:22:48 <JohnTHaller> Though it is now 22 minutes into Monday Jan 10th here
05:22:53 <OliverK> for another 20 minuts or so
05:23:00 <OliverK> i wonder if my laundry is down yet
05:23:15 <JacobMastel> It's still the 9th here :P
05:23:59 <JacobMastel> Is there a real difference between Gnumeric and Calc from the open office suite?
05:30:21 <JacobMastel> абцдефгхийклмнопвкы So that's the alphabet that shows up in Gnumeric Portable
05:30:24 <JohnTHaller> They're entirely independent apps
05:30:42 <JohnTHaller> huh?
05:31:00 <JacobMastel> That's what I get when I type into Gnumeric Portable.
05:31:19 <JacobMastel> Numerals are working fine though.
05:31:27 <JohnTHaller> Launching solo or from the platform? And what is your OSes language selection?
05:31:43 <JohnTHaller> (also what OS)
05:31:53 <JacobMastel> I'm runing from the platform and I'm runing win7 x32 en-us
05:32:20 <JohnTHaller> Sure you don't have a different ANSI lang defined or alt keyboard layout?
05:32:31 <JacobMastel> Nope.
05:32:49 <JacobMastel> Haven't changed the settings in Gnumeric and everything on the comp is standard.
05:32:49 <JohnTHaller> I'm on Win7 English launching from English platform and it works just fine.
05:33:15 <JohnTHaller> So. Install path. Did you install English only or multilingual. What else is running, etc?
05:34:08 <JacobMastel> I only installed english. Install path is standard, nothing unusuall is runing, and nothing unusual is happening in any other apps (Pchat, Firefox, Notepad++ and stickies.
05:34:57 <JohnTHaller> Yikes, that's it. It doesn't like not having its locale files
05:35:19 <OliverK> gnumeric fail
05:35:21 <JacobMastel> Yeah, calc and excel are working fine too.
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05:35:44 <JacobMastel> I'll do a reinstall with full files and let you know.
05:36:29 <JacobMastel> Installing... Seemed like a good idea to save some space... Don't need it on my 750gig external...but thought it was good for gp :P
05:37:37 <JacobMastel> Yup, works fine with additional languages
05:38:00 <JohnTHaller> Already got a fix. Compiling.
05:38:12 <JacobMastel> Just removing the option?
05:38:59 <JohnTHaller> Manually adding in the 'en' language even if you don't install multilingual. The launcher needs it.
05:39:11 <JacobMastel> Oh okay.
05:41:17 <JohnTHaller> Actually no, gotta remove it.
05:41:23 <JacobMastel> ?
05:41:30 <JohnTHaller> It has issues if in another language and the lang files aren't there. So need em all.
05:42:24 <JacobMastel> Oh well I guess...
05:43:57 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, odd. DIfferent than Pidgin, GIMP,. AbiWor,d etc
05:44:58 <JacobMastel> Poorly coded I guess? Doesn't exactly sound like a GTK issue.
05:46:42 <JohnTHaller> And fixed
05:50:11 <JohnTHaller> Working ok for you now JacobMastel?
05:50:34 <JacobMastel> Perfectly.
05:50:45 <JacobMastel> Thanks for the prompt repair.
05:51:30 <JohnTHaller> Sure thing. I was hoping just adding the en back in would work, but it looks like it needs all the locales there. It might use en_GB for some of it or something.
05:52:06 <JacobMastel> Yeah possibily. It's not really worth the effort to figure it out though... It might even do a directory check.
05:52:57 <JohnTHaller> And it is only 15mb, which isn't huge. I took 19mb off by UPXing it.
05:53:04 <JacobMastel> SARDU is being a total pain in the ass. The language files are even worse...not even properly translated.
05:53:50 <JohnTHaller> Some apps just have no effort in translations sadly
05:55:07 <JacobMastel> Yeah, and for some reason it whines about not having wget.exe and I can't even find that in my system. So I have no idea why the portable one is freaking out :/
06:01:25 <JacobMastel> JohnTHaller: I believe t3 is ready for release. The only bummer is we can't hid the cmd window. It'll hid the entire app.
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06:26:48 <JohnTHaller> gnight all. big day of coding tomorrow
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11:29:26 <tuttincoro> 'lo
11:29:27 <tuttincoro> :)
11:29:48 <BeckySanderlin`x> k
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11:30:41 <tuttincoro> I found a portable version of paint.net
11:30:46 <tuttincoro> Could it be submitted?
11:31:30 <BeckySanderlin`x> i dont think so.
11:31:31 <tuttincoro> It's even elss than 600k
11:31:35 <tuttincoro> Why not?
11:31:56 <Spellbreaker> It's not open source
11:32:18 <BeckySanderlin`x> most if not all the programs are worked on by John as an open source project
11:32:35 <tuttincoro> Oh, only FOSS is accepted?
11:33:01 <BeckySanderlin`x> he has been submitting more and more freeware projects.. but only under his authority and guidelines
11:33:21 <tuttincoro> Ah, okay
11:33:32 <tuttincoro> I'll run it by him
11:33:32 <BeckySanderlin`x> cant hurt to ask him though
11:33:37 <tuttincoro> Yeah
11:33:38 <BeckySanderlin`x> gl
11:35:47 <Spellbreaker> tuttincoro: It's not possible to include non-open-source software. You can only create a launcher by yourself for that. paint.net is closed source, I'm not sure if it would run correctly.
11:36:40 <tuttincoro> Spellbreaker: well, I tested it on a virgin windows XP machine with SP2, and it worked fine
11:36:46 <tuttincoro> Without .net being installed
11:36:57 <tuttincoro> Spellbreaker: details here: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/heaths/archive/2006/05/11/595674.aspx
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11:41:40 <Spellbreaker> tuttincoro: " Paint.NET also depends on Microsoft's .NET Framework 3.5 SP1, which is automatically installed if it isn't already on the system."
11:42:31 <Spellbreaker> So the only person who can create officially a portable-apps version is the developer of paint.net
11:42:46 <Spellbreaker> Because you may not alter the software and distribute it in anyway, it would break the license.
11:43:11 <tuttincoro> Spellbreaker: I see
11:43:15 <tuttincoro> Spellbreaker: thanks anyway :D
11:43:27 <Spellbreaker> So you may ofcourse do that for yourself, but it will not go into the offical apps list :|
11:43:28 <Spellbreaker> No problem
11:43:36 <tuttincoro> Spellbreaker: one other thing
11:43:53 <tuttincoro> Is it possible to get rid of the splash screens for the apps in the suite?
11:44:13 <Spellbreaker> I don't know
11:45:36 <Spellbreaker> I think you can add DisableSplashScreen = true to the apps ini file.
11:45:40 <Spellbreaker> Read that somewhere.
11:46:42 <Spellbreaker> or was it in PortableAppsMenu.ini? Dunno, forgot.
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16:10:40 <spgSCOTT> Are there any devs here?
16:11:08 <ZachThibeau> plenty
16:11:14 <ZachThibeau> but I'll brb system reboot
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17:16:29 <spgSCOTT> Ok, well I have been posting on the evernote forums and it seems that they may be interested in making a portable version, which I would love (yes it has been requested in the forum before but nothing has actually happened with it) Would it be something that could be done?
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17:35:30 <Spellbreaker> spgSCOTT:Depends on the License I guess.
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18:08:23 <spgSCOTT> They said that if they were contacted by PA.c then they could probably work something out...here is the thread: http://forum.evernote.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=21590
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18:12:21 <pa_1805> does any one know how to register a portable device?
18:12:41 <spgSCOTT> how do you mean register?
18:13:38 <pa_1805> i don't know bbc said i had to register a portable device such as a usb
18:14:37 <ZachThibeau> if I had to guess it means put it in your usb drive and register it in windows basically get the driver installed so you can use it on your computer
18:14:58 <pa_1805> ok thank you
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18:15:17 <ZachThibeau> np
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