IRC Log from 2011-01-20

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00:01:40 <JohnTHaller> And it's up: http://portableapps.com/news/2011-01-19_-_akelpad_portable_4.5.3
00:01:59 <JohnTHaller> ZachThibeau: Care to do the honors and voice gluxon?
00:02:09 <gluxon> O_O
00:02:17 <ZachThibeau> I don't think I can with my current flags but I'll give it a shot
00:02:27 <JohnTHaller> You're OPed, you can.
00:02:55 <JohnTHaller> Or at least you should be able to.
00:03:05 <ZachThibeau> -ChanServ- You are not authorized to execute this command.
00:03:19 <ZachThibeau> I don't have the proper ops privies
00:03:39 <ZachThibeau> to do that I have to be +oO
00:03:42 <Gizmokid2005> I'll get it
00:03:58 <ZachThibeau> thanks Giz
00:04:15 <Gizmokid2005> there you are gluxon, you should be set.
00:04:17 <JohnTHaller> Ah thanks. I was just looking up the commands. I still don't have em memorized :)
00:04:24 <gluxon> Gizmokid2005: Thanks :)
00:04:43 <gluxon> ZachThibeau, JohnTHaller, thanks to you too :)
00:04:48 <Gizmokid2005> you're welcome. Congrats!
00:05:45 <JohnTHaller> sure thing :)
00:06:10 <JohnTHaller> It's on the homepage and updater... still trrying to Tweet it (twitter has issues)
00:07:17 <ZachThibeau> twitter keeps changing things :/
00:07:18 <JohnTHaller> (i fixed some copy errors in the news story too)
00:07:59 <JohnTHaller> btw - did you guys like the puzzle collection gui?
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00:40:08 <ZachThibeau> to be honest I didn't see it yet, been busy with packing and trying to code too :P
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00:40:20 <JohnTHaller> :-P
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00:41:11 <ZachThibeau> almost done packing, then I'm giving my 2 week notice at work and then it'll be a 4-5 hour train ride to my new apartment
00:41:44 <JohnTHaller> you can see the screenshot here: http://portableapps.com/apps/games/puzzle_collection_portable
00:42:03 <JohnTHaller> ah nice. new job lined up?
00:42:59 <ZachThibeau> sort of, I've already been accepted to work at a call center but last call center I worked in I nearly had a panic attack so it's being kept as an option but not the one I'll pick first :P
00:43:16 <Duckwagon> Quick question - Is there an easy way to use some sort of drive letter 'place-holder' in programs that aren't packaged with PA? For example, Blender 2.5 isn't packaged, which is OK but it uses temporary files for auto-saves. It has a field in teh options to define a path.
00:43:16 <Duckwagon> I'm jsut having trouble, I'm not very savvy with command line or anything, and my web filter blocks anything not expicitly allowed so I can't usually download anything.
00:46:33 <JohnTHaller> You could try copying the Blender files from 2.56 into 2.49b portable version. The launcher may work with it outright.
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00:48:35 <ZachThibeau> btw John when is the next beta for the platform coming?
00:48:51 <JohnTHaller> soon, been working on it this week
00:49:08 <ZachThibeau> awesome
00:49:23 <Duckwagon> grr kicked me out. did I miss anything? (um... in the last 30 seconds or so... i guess.)
00:49:31 <JohnTHaller> "You could try copying the Blender files from 2.56 into 2.49b portable version. The launcher may work with it outright."
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00:50:18 <Duckwagon> ah. hm... maybe but I don't think so. It was a pretty big overhaul.
00:50:46 <JohnTHaller> right, but the way apps store data usually stays consistent. and if that is and the EXE didn't move, then it should still work.
00:51:03 <Duckwagon> hm ok. I'll see.
00:51:09 <Duckwagon> thx
00:53:08 <Duckwagon> curiosity, what if I'm working with another program, not at all affiliated with PA? say for example Unity3d. I essentially have to set up a config file on every computer I use, and every time on the computers at school (since they reset them every time you log off).
00:53:45 <JohnTHaller> It varies a lot by program. If you know how and where it stores its data, you can use the PA.c Launcher just like any dev would.
00:54:49 <Duckwagon> or say Google Chrome; sometimes I have trouble with certain extensions or most updating.
00:54:49 <Duckwagon> What about for non-devs like me?
00:55:18 <Duckwagon> I realize tho this is one of the big problems with going portable...
00:55:26 <JohnTHaller> Google Chrome you just download a new version and install it. Should just work.
00:56:21 <JohnTHaller> Other apps, they vary immensely, so there is no one way to do it.
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01:01:56 <Pyromaniac> hey JohnTHaller you think you can get Game Booster Portable ( http://portableapps.com/node/24506 ) released?
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01:12:29 <JohnTHaller> Maybe this weekend
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01:13:52 <Duckwagon> hrm well I don't know how I'd move all of the files over to 2.56 in the right spots. It looks pretty radically different to me.
01:14:34 <JohnTHaller> We probably won't package it while it's a beta since it's not intended for actual production use (just testing)
01:14:48 <Duckwagon> but I'm not sure how these things work; I mean if it had the same folder name, with the same contents, then it'd be simple but it's completely different how you set it up. At least I think
01:14:56 <Duckwagon> Yeah I figured as much.
01:15:13 <JohnTHaller> Any specific reason you need it portable?
01:15:17 <Duckwagon> I just like to have the latest and greatest. :-D
01:15:42 <Duckwagon> Main reason. Taht and it was a little more intuitive to work with for a beginner
01:15:47 <JohnTHaller> We package the latest and greatest of everything. Latest and greatest doesn't mean beta though, unless you like to test and muck around with it.
01:16:10 <JohnTHaller> Really? I haven't seen the interface changes yet. Any screenshots anywhere?
01:16:40 <Duckwagon> Primary reason was taht I had a specific function I needed to use from the beta.
01:17:06 <Duckwagon> Yeah on their site. It's WAY different; I like it a lot better.
01:17:56 <Duckwagon> And you can customize a lot more, since they have a UI to compile all of the stuff from the Python scripting and the engine, etc. So you can actually change the shortcuts and such; even have a Maya keyset.
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01:18:18 <JohnTHaller> Ah. Hmm, that may complicate portablization.
01:18:19 <Duckwagon> But that's just me regurgitating what I read.
01:19:42 <Duckwagon> It's actually got a 'portable install' option, where it doesn't add stuff to registry keys and such... but I actually might be thinking of a diff program I installed recently... hrm...
01:19:55 <JohnTHaller> (probably opera)
01:20:08 <Duckwagon> Lol that's where it came from.
01:21:02 <Duckwagon> I'm a pseudo-advanced user. I like to sound like I know what I'm doing. 8-)
01:21:09 <Duckwagon> Lol
01:21:26 <JohnTHaller> Don't we all :)
01:24:07 <Duckwagon> I'm curious tho how the portable-ization works tho... Seems to me all you'd need is the 'launcher', some sort of script to re-route shortcuts/placeholders for a drive letter, and the ability to detect or at least point to the exe's of the apps you use. why is the format specifically needed?
01:24:55 <JohnTHaller> Consistency for one. Having apps with data all over the place makes things really messy really fast, especially for upgrades. Keeping everything in Data means upgrades are easy and we won't lose user data.
01:25:06 <Duckwagon> (with my limited understanding of course)
01:25:45 <JohnTHaller> The format also dictates things like language switching automatically with the platform, having descriptions and icons available for display properly, categorization (coming in the next 2.0 platform beta) automatically, installation languaes/options/EULA if needed, etc
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01:26:36 <Duckwagon> ah ok hadn't thought of upgrades... but still, couldn't you just have it point to where the upgrades go, or is it usually more complicated than that?
01:27:17 <JohnTHaller> Problem is you usually need a set of default settings, especially for apps that have a portability setting internall. If you did that and used a zip file, it'd overwrite the users settings on upgrade.
01:28:09 <JohnTHaller> I should really have a page explaining the advantages, it's come up a couple times in the forum before
01:28:59 <JohnTHaller> Here was a recent one where someone misunderstood that the installer didn't actually 'install' to the local PC: http://portableapps.com/node/26127#comment-167170
01:30:02 <Duckwagon> Methinks that would help. Portability is really an advanced topic, most users won't understand waht it is.
01:30:19 <JohnTHaller> We also have a stricter definition of portability than most.
01:31:15 <JohnTHaller> http://portableapps.com/about/what_is_a_portable_app
01:32:02 <JohnTHaller> some people are fine with registry keys and temp files. others are fine with certain things breaking as you move (like recently used or some extensions). most zip portable apps suffer from one or both of those.
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01:45:30 <JohnTHaller> hi ChrisMorgan
01:45:36 <ChrisMorgan> Hey JohnTHaller
01:45:41 <ZachThibeau> howdy ChrisMorgan
01:46:19 <ChrisMorgan> Hey ZachThibeau
01:46:41 <ChrisMorgan> And hello to anyone else, but a type of hello that doesn't need replying to or the channel will be too noisy :P
01:47:07 <JohnTHaller> You must say hello to everyone present by name.
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01:50:58 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: Still mostly new PAL apps lately. Though 1 with a custom launcher (AniFX) and one with a custom Delphi GUI (Puzzle Collection)
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02:33:43 <taneth111> Hello all
02:33:50 <JohnTHaller> hola
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03:22:10 <taneth111> Hello Oliver
03:23:26 <OliverK> howdy taneth111
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05:04:06 <pa_1543> Hello
05:04:11 <JohnTHaller> hi
05:04:18 <pa_1543> I have an important question
05:04:30 <JohnTHaller> what do you need, pa_
05:04:34 <pa_1543> Hello?
05:04:38 <pa_1543> Ok
05:04:50 <pa_1543> So I deleted the Document folder on Portable Apps!
05:04:56 <pa_1543> And I can't find it!
05:05:02 <pa_1543> I deleted it on accident!
05:05:08 <pa_1543> I need the files!
05:05:16 <JohnTHaller> Ah, so you deleted it and all the files in it. What computer were you using at the time?
05:05:28 <pa_1543> A Dell
05:05:32 <pa_1543> Vista
05:05:50 <JohnTHaller> No, I mean are you using the same one? If so, the recycle bin may show the files. Unless you emptied it.
05:05:51 <pa_1543> I deleted it about 5 to 10 minutes ago
05:06:08 <pa_1543> I am using the same computer.
05:06:11 <JohnTHaller> Ah ok. Check the recycle bin. (Depends on how your drive is configged whether they will show up)
05:06:15 <pa_1543> And I checked the Recycle Bin.
05:06:48 <JohnTHaller> In that case, you deleted them on the drive. Do you have a recent backup?
05:07:40 <pa_1543> What?
05:08:08 <pa_1543> The Recovery drive?
05:08:28 <JohnTHaller> Did you backup the files from your drive to a local computer recently? Perhaps using the PortableApps.com Platform's built-in backup feature?
05:09:34 <pa_1543> I only backed up two files onto My Documents a couple days ago, but I need the other files that were on the USB that are deleted.
05:10:11 <JohnTHaller> Ok (for future reference, backup files on a flash drive to a PC hard drive regularly. you could lose it. or the drive could die on you)
05:10:27 <JohnTHaller> Are you still using that drive at the moment? Running apps from it, writing files to it?
05:10:28 <pa_1543> So what do I do?
05:10:39 <pa_1543> Ya
05:11:27 <JohnTHaller> Stop. Immediately. Close every app, do not write any additional files to the drive. As you do, you are permanently overwriting what may be left of your deleted files. Fire up IE on the local machine to continue chatting if you're currently chatting in a portable browser.
05:11:55 <pa_1543> I am on IE from the laptop
05:12:12 <JohnTHaller> Ok, close any portable software and don't write anything else to that portable drive.
05:12:22 <pa_1543> Ok
05:13:19 <JohnTHaller> You'll need to use some file recovery software to undelete your files. They may only partially be there, just so you know going in. I'd recommend giving Recuva a shot first.
05:13:24 <JohnTHaller> http://www.piriform.com/recuva/builds
05:13:36 <pa_1543> Ok
05:13:36 <JohnTHaller> You can install it on your PC or download the portable one and run it from your desktop.
05:13:48 <pa_1543> I'll try
05:14:04 <pa_1543> Wait! Which one?
05:14:10 <JohnTHaller> Which one what?
05:14:20 <pa_1543> There are 4.
05:14:28 <JohnTHaller> Installer (first download button) if you can install it to your local PC.
05:14:42 <JohnTHaller> If you can'tm grab portable (2nd download button) and unzip it right on your desktop and run it.
05:15:00 <pa_1543> It's downloading.
05:15:11 <JohnTHaller> Have you used a recovery utility before?
05:15:23 <pa_1543> No.
05:15:45 <pa_1543> Done
05:15:46 <JohnTHaller> If you have someone nearby who has or is more familiar with it, it would be helpful for them to assist you directly.
05:15:51 <pa_1543> It's done.
05:16:04 <pa_1543> Well, I don't have one right now.
05:16:10 <JohnTHaller> Ok, if you got the installer, install it to your PC. If you got the portable one, unzip it to the desktop.
05:16:24 <pa_1543> Ok. I am at the setup.
05:16:59 <JohnTHaller> Go ahead and install it step by step til you get to the end and run it
05:17:00 <pa_1543> It's searching or something.
05:17:21 <pa_1543> It found files.
05:17:30 <JohnTHaller> Did you select your portable drive from the list?
05:17:49 <pa_1543> I selected the whole computer
05:17:52 <JohnTHaller> No
05:18:00 <JohnTHaller> Too much stuff. You can exit it and restart
05:18:20 <JohnTHaller> Or if you're already at the interface, just select your portable drive and click scan
05:18:32 <pa_1543> ok
05:19:09 <JohnTHaller> In the list of files that show up, the ones with the green circles means it can recover those.
05:19:30 <pa_1543> So the red means the opposite?
05:20:07 <JohnTHaller> Red means part of the file has already been written over by something else and it is unrecoverable in its entirety. If it's a text document, it may save some of it. If it's anything else (picture, music, etc) it is likely gone.
05:20:40 <JohnTHaller> But look through the list as you may see multiple version of the same file from different times it was saved
05:20:41 <pa_1543> ok
05:21:34 <JohnTHaller> Check off any it can recover directly, click Recover and then select a folder on the local PC to save them to (Desktop is often fine)
05:21:42 <pa_1543> k
05:22:08 <JohnTHaller> If you're on Vista, it'll request admin rights through UAC as part of it. You can say Yes.
05:23:12 <pa_1543> k
05:23:28 <JohnTHaller> When done, don't write them back to the portable device yet.
05:23:44 <pa_1543> Thank you.
05:23:56 <pa_1543> I appreciate your help.
05:24:02 <JohnTHaller> What stage are you at? Did it save some of them?
05:24:08 <JohnTHaller> You're welcome
05:24:11 <pa_1543> I saved them.
05:24:14 <pa_1543> Thank you.
05:24:19 <JohnTHaller> They on the desktop? You can open them?
05:24:24 <pa_1543> I'll make sure I back them up.
05:24:28 <pa_1543> Yes.
05:24:31 <JohnTHaller> Excellent!
05:24:59 <JohnTHaller> If you're sure you have everything you need and won't need anything else that has been deleted on the drive, you can copy them back to the drive now and continue using it as normal.
05:25:21 <pa_1543> k
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06:05:09 <taneth111> Hmm, been getting a fair few "site offline" errors lately...
06:09:50 <JohnTHaller> Happens nightly from 1-1:10am EDT
06:10:00 <JohnTHaller> (database backup routines)
06:10:13 <JohnTHaller> it'll happen occasionally during the day if the server is overloaded
06:12:20 <taneth111> Ah, okay. Now it makes sense
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10:20:34 <taneth111> hello sar3th
10:20:43 <sar3th> hi taneth111 :)
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10:22:29 <taneth111> :) What's been happening lately?
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10:31:44 <sar3th> not much
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14:37:00 <pa_4724> morning all. general question, i have tried searching. i'm using windows 2000 but can't get any portable app the relies on GTK to run, with the exception of Pidgin. is this a known issue?
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14:42:51 <pa_4724> i believe i just figured it out. i found a site on sourceforge that says gtk version 2.16.x is the last version that is able to run on win2k. and looking at the changelog for gimp it has 2.2.x
14:43:06 <pa_4724> correction 2.6.x
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14:44:34 <Mir> the Visualisation in VLC called GOOM crashes VLC and sometimes corrupts the install making VLC unusable. this is an issue with the portable and non portable versions of VLC 1.1.5
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17:22:57 <Blint> oops, i forgotten how to join rooms, lol
17:23:26 <Kiriko> lol
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18:50:42 <Kiriko> hey qiuck question, How much better is LibreOffice to OpenOffice?
18:51:45 <TPFC-SYSTEM> This is the homepage of Go-oo: http://www.go-oo.org/
18:52:12 <TPFC-SYSTEM> As you can see, it lists Go-oo's improvements over upstream OOo.
18:52:38 <TPFC-SYSTEM> All of these improvements have been merged into LibreOffice. :)
18:53:16 <Kiriko> yea i like it :)
18:53:28 <Kiriko> thank you!8-)
18:55:09 <TPFC-SYSTEM> You're welcome. :)
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21:25:24 <Alcasar> Is there a portable app for file splitting and re-joining?
21:25:46 <sar3th> you can (ab) use 7-zip for that
21:25:50 <Spellbreaker> You could do that with 7zip
21:25:52 <Spellbreaker> oh
21:27:22 <Alcasar> Ok, thanks
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22:25:08 <Kiriko> hey guy do you if anyone is taking over the Inno Setup Portable project?
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