IRC Log from 2011-01-28
00:00:09 <JohnTHaller> Nope. Still down sitewide.
00:00:39 <Gizmokid2005> what on earth have they done/not done...this is outrageous
00:01:26 <Kiriko> are they under a dds attack or something?
00:01:33 <JohnTHaller> There was a virtual breakin on the CVS side
00:02:01 <Kiriko> ah man that is going to take some time to patch then :(
00:02:29 <Kiriko> brb
00:06:46 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, I can't update any of the other apps that are needing updates at the moment :(
00:10:01 <Thasmo> Yay I managed to add an aplication to the pa.c Menu 2.0 which is stored outside the PortableApps folder. SO cool!
00:11:48 <JohnTHaller> SF update: http://portableapps.com/node/26436#comment-169005
00:14:14 <Thasmo> JohnTHaller, would I be able to just update to FF4 Beta 10 with installing the paf executeable?
00:15:40 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, that should be ok
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00:18:42 <Thasmo> K, thanks!
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01:10:04 <Aciago> hi
01:11:00 <JohnTHaller> hola
01:11:43 <Aciago> :)
01:11:50 <Aciago> Hola John
01:43:04 <JohnTHaller> 'I still don't understand how I'm still up. I only slept 1.5 hours.
01:44:02 <Aciago> lol
01:44:40 <JohnTHaller> Was coding LibreOffice til 5:30am. Not a solid use of my sleep time. Though it did make for a good release :)
01:46:35 <Gizmokid2005> you mean good future release :P
01:46:42 <Aciago> yes, I already downloaded it but I'm now in Ubuntu, I will "install" it later
02:09:10 <JohnTHaller> Well, I'm getting everything prepped for when SF comes back online at least: http://portableapps.com/node/19705
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02:33:25 <ZachThibeau> howdy Chris
02:33:37 <ChrisMorgan> Hey ZachThibeau
02:33:50 <JohnTHaller> hola ChrisMorgan
02:33:59 <ChrisMorgan> Heya JohnTHaller
02:34:09 <JohnTHaller> How goes it?
02:34:29 <ZachThibeau> I contributed to a fairly nice frontend for mupen64plus and made it possible to build it on windows the frontend is called wxmupen64plus :)
02:35:23 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: been getting some work done on the new Inkscape website and preparing and this morning painting a wall of our house. I know, I need to sort out PAL 2.1!
02:36:17 <JohnTHaller> Ah cool
02:36:25 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, we need to sort that Opera bug soon.
02:36:30 <JohnTHaller> btw - LibreOffice is PAL
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02:50:53 <JohnTHaller> And they're all ready to go: http://portableapps.com/node/19705
02:52:02 <Aciago> well, time to go... cya!
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03:00:26 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: any reason I've received like 5 notifications in the last hour that node/19705 has been updated?
03:01:01 <Gizmokid2005> I mean, i'm obviously sub'd, but they've all been the same content in the email
03:01:21 <JohnTHaller> Because I updated it as I completed each app.
03:01:36 <JohnTHaller> So 7 times total.
03:01:43 <Gizmokid2005> ahh
03:01:43 <Gizmokid2005> just wondering
03:02:35 <Gizmokid2005> as for this: http://portableapps.com/news/2011-01-27_-_opera_portable_11.01_released#comment-169002 <-- why not use the fix of the .ini like sar3th|away explained to ChrisMorgan?
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03:04:11 <JohnTHaller> Because that would break either upgrades or backups. I can't recall which.
03:06:39 <Gizmokid2005> why? You'd just be telling the data to stay in /data where it belongs
03:06:42 <Gizmokid2005> just like I did with KVIrc
03:06:44 <JohnTHaller> Got a link to the change offhand? can't remember
03:08:09 <Gizmokid2005> I don't, ChrisMorgan might? If not, i can ask him when I see him in the morning.
03:08:22 <Gizmokid2005> I'll see if I can find it though
03:08:37 <JohnTHaller> ok
03:08:47 <ChrisMorgan> That was some flag or environment variable, wasn't it?
03:09:18 <Gizmokid2005> no, ini setting
03:09:23 <Gizmokid2005> just not an advertised one
03:10:26 <JohnTHaller> found it: http://portableapps.com/node/25653
03:10:40 <JohnTHaller> I'll try this out tomorrow and post a Rev if it works properly
03:11:03 <Gizmokid2005> that's it :)
03:11:12 <JohnTHaller> My GoogleFu is strong
03:11:29 <Gizmokid2005> I just saw it on pg2 of my search
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03:48:43 <JohnTHaller> alright, bedtime for me guys. gnight all.
03:51:20 <Kiriko> good nigght
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05:57:52 <Kiriko> Hey guys I kow that this is a stupid question but hey I can't loose anything by asking. Ok IRC client do you prefer or recomend? cause I have seen to many and they all look cool and but I don't know witch one is better. For the moment I am using PidGinPortable.
05:58:54 <Kiriko> What* IRC client*
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10:10:33 <pa_3196> Hi
10:11:19 <pa_3196> Can anyone give me a hint on how to get the Teamviewer portable into the PortableApps menu?
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11:12:39 <ReportingASpamme> Hello, I would like to report that there is some very SPAMtastic posts on the PortableApps.com forums lately
11:14:21 <ReportingASpamme> They have been posted by "benkids" http://portableapps.com/user/168618/track thought you might like to know
11:15:10 <ReportingASpamme> Well, it's late here, so I'm going to go to bed now, I just thought I would get that to you.
11:15:16 <ReportingASpamme> Bye
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11:50:35 <ChrisMorgan> Anyone got LibreOffice Portable handy?
11:54:02 <sar3th> yes
11:54:11 <sar3th> from http://portableapps.com/apps/office/libreoffice_portable
12:19:43 <sar3th> why ChrisMorgan? can i help you somehow?
12:20:05 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: could you please paste its PAL INI file?
12:22:01 <sar3th> sure. App\AppInfo\Launcher\LibreOfficePortable.ini: http://pastebin.com/tnCQQVDF
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12:31:19 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm... MinOS=2000. Not sure why John's put that in there.
12:31:25 <ChrisMorgan> John/Marko
12:33:30 <ChrisMorgan> And I cannot conceive what is happening with the string "$AppName benötigt Windows $0 oder neuer. Auf diesem PC läuft jedoch Windows $1, $AppName kann deshalb nicht ausgeführt werden." - by that bug report, $0="" (should be "2000"), $1="?" (not 2000, XP, 2003, Vista, 2008, 7 or 2008 R2 - Wine?)
12:35:32 <sar3th> that's strange
12:38:00 <ChrisMorgan> Indeed it is. I can't see any problems in the PAL source code for the OperatingSystem segment, either.
12:39:32 <ChrisMorgan> About the only thing which looks possible is that WinVer.nsh is messing up the stack. But that seems exceedingly unlikely.
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12:44:30 <ChrisMorgan> Thanks sar3th, commented on the issue and I'll see what happens.
12:45:01 <sar3th> do you know which version of windows the problem occurred under?
12:49:21 <ChrisMorgan> No, I've vaguely asked but not clearly... more just asked if there's anything unusual about the setup.
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12:54:40 <Jedrzej_s> Hi All !!!
12:57:08 <Jedrzej_s> I have noticed that it's impossible to download LibreOffice from http://portableapps.com/apps/office/libreoffice_portable
12:57:44 <Jedrzej_s> Page haven't loaded
12:58:16 <Jedrzej_s> Also I haven't found LibreOffice at http://sourceforge.net/projects/portableapps/files/
12:58:42 <Jedrzej_s> Anybody can fix these ???
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13:18:27 <Jedrzej_s> ?
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13:34:50 <sar3th> Jedrzej_s: try this link, it's what the site gives me: http://ftp-stud.hs-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/tdf/libreoffice/portable/3.3.0/LibreOfficePortable_3.3.0.paf.exe
13:35:48 <Jedrzej_s> sar3th: THX it's work :)
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13:36:07 <Jedrzej_s> sar3th: Are you maintainer of the PortableApp ?
13:36:22 <sar3th> Jedrzej_s: no, just a regular user
13:40:12 <Jedrzej_s> sar3th: I will report now broken URL at http://portableapps.com
13:40:33 <Jedrzej_s> sar3th: I mean broken download for LibreOffice
13:41:43 <sar3th> Jedrzej_s: it's a known issue, sourceforge is having issues - read http://portableapps.com/node/26436 for details
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14:06:02 <Jedrzej_s> sar3th: Do you use Firefox Portable ?
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14:09:43 <sar3th> Jedrzej_s: no
14:10:14 <Jedrzej_s> sar3th: Do U use official Firefox ?
14:12:18 <sar3th> occasionally
14:18:04 <Jedrzej_s> sar3th: ok
14:18:24 <sar3th> the browser is a very personal choice ;)
14:18:45 <Jedrzej_s> sar3th: like all other soft ;)
14:19:25 <Jedrzej_s> Does anybody here using Firefox Portable with amny addons ???
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19:43:28 <Jedrzej_s> Does anybody here using Firefox Portable with amny addons ???
19:43:37 <Jedrzej_s> *many
19:45:37 <Gizmokid2005> what's the problem Jedrzej_s?
19:46:42 <Jedrzej_s> Gizmokid2005: Does it work with it without trouble ?
19:46:57 <Jedrzej_s> *these
19:47:05 <Gizmokid2005> Jedrzej_s: in most cases yes. It is dependent on the addon though
19:48:00 <Jedrzej_s> Gizmokid2005: Some addon which work in official doesn't in Portable ?
19:49:43 <Jedrzej_s> Gizmokid2005: Do you know some examples ?
19:50:24 <Gizmokid2005> Jedrzej_s: no. most that I know of work just fine. They would probably all work, but some might make FFP not portable by leaving behind files/folders/registry entries. But most (if not all well-written) addons will be just fine.
19:54:11 <Jedrzej_s> Gizmokid2005: I use now official FF, but I'm considering move to Portable...
19:54:53 <Gizmokid2005> Portable works very much the same. I doubt many, if any, addons anymore have issues with portability.
19:55:18 <Jedrzej_s> Gizmokid2005: I want to have benefit, not troubles ;)
19:55:39 <Gizmokid2005> I've been using FFP for over 3 years now full time without problems
19:56:12 <Jedrzej_s> Gizmokid2005: How many addons do you have ?
19:56:53 <Gizmokid2005> last I knew I was using 20+
19:57:03 <Gizmokid2005> there are quite a few I don't use right now as they are not compatible with FF4B10
19:59:31 <Jedrzej_s> Gizmokid2005: I have seen some Portable versions (on the official Portable page) of some addons. These have confused me...
20:00:18 <Gizmokid2005> they are old and outdated. More/less they were just "officially" stamped as portable. ie - they were tested and verified.
20:00:34 <Gizmokid2005> the versions on PA.com are most likely very outdated and would be updated right after you install them.
20:02:25 <Jedrzej_s> Gizmokid2005: ok. Big thx for info :)
20:02:30 <Gizmokid2005> you're welcome
20:02:40 <Jedrzej_s> Gizmokid2005: :)
20:07:24 <Jedrzej_s> Gizmokid2005: And updating any Portable Apps is: instaling newer version over older, right ?
20:07:33 <Gizmokid2005> yup
20:07:39 <Gizmokid2005> just install it over the current copy and voila!
20:08:24 <Jedrzej_s> Gizmokid2005: Of course without lost user preferences / profiles, right ?
20:08:48 <Gizmokid2005> correct. User data is stored in a different directly and is preserved on reinstall/upgrade
20:11:22 <Jedrzej_s> Gizmokid2005: Outside for example FF directory ?
20:11:45 <Gizmokid2005> no, the data is stored in (ff for example) X:\PortableApps\FirefoxPortable\Data\
20:12:39 <Jedrzej_s> Gizmokid2005:Do I need all Portable Apps instal to this directory: X:\PortableApps ?
20:14:14 <Gizmokid2005> it's best to do it that way Jedrzej_s, to prevent any issues with long paths, etc.
20:14:32 <Gizmokid2005> the drive letter doesn't have to be X: of course
20:14:50 <Jedrzej_s> Gizmokid2005: I know about letter ;)
20:15:23 <Jedrzej_s> Gizmokid2005: Long path can be 255 characters ;)
20:15:30 <Gizmokid2005> yep
20:16:21 <Jedrzej_s> Gizmokid2005: But, I thinking about correct behavior...
20:17:42 <Jedrzej_s> Gizmokid2005: For example if I instal apps in different path these will make for example lost Portability or so...
20:19:51 <marlop> Jedrzej_s, no, but you shouldn't install it in any place with spaces on the path or that the path to any file of the installed program is bigger than 255 characteres
20:22:43 <Jedrzej_s> marlop: Space character making trouble ???
20:25:19 <marlop> some apps(i don't know which ones) don't work correctly if the path has spaces on it(or at least that's what happend a few time ago)
20:26:31 <marlop> maybe they solved that problem but i prefer to be safe than sorry
20:27:09 <Jedrzej_s> marlop: I thinking about put Portable Apps near other soft in Program Files
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20:28:23 <Jedrzej_s> marlop: ok, I understand :)
20:37:54 <gluxon> Jedrzej_s: Google Toolbar has a problem with Firefox Portable, if you use that.
20:38:19 <gluxon> Google saves the toolbar's settings in its own folder, instead of Firefox's.
20:39:57 <Jedrzej_s> gluxon: Uuuuuu... Sad news...
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20:41:23 <Jedrzej_s> gluxon: Ok, but does it work in FF Portable ?
20:41:46 <gluxon> It works, but custom buttons and settings will be left on the computer.
20:42:15 <gluxon> I believe it saves some settings on the Google User Account, don't remember which ones though.
20:42:53 <gluxon> I remembered having a problem where custom toolbar buttons don't save when I switched computers.
20:44:02 <Jedrzej_s> gluxon: ok, thx for point it.
20:47:35 <Jedrzej_s> marlop: Gizmokid2005: gluxon: I just thinking about making ONE TIME (last time in life ;) hehehe) instal and configure all Apps like Portable. Making buckup frequently on external USB HDD. And when I need to reinstall Win 7 or my PC damaged... Just copy and paste all Portable Apps from buckup. Do you using these that way ???
20:48:28 <gluxon> You're trying to retain the app's settings, right?
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20:50:52 <Jedrzej_s> gluxon: right, and have softwares up to date
20:51:30 <Jedrzej_s> gluxon: And Windows registry clean ;)
20:52:07 <Jedrzej_s> gluxon: I mean - Portable Apps give us Windows registry clean
20:52:33 <Jedrzej_s> gluxon: Something wrong ?
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20:52:35 <gluxon> Well, not to interrogate you or anything, just curious, what's the point of having the registry clean?
20:52:44 <gluxon> It's kind of meant to be dirty :P
20:53:55 <gluxon> Jedrzej_s: BTW, if you're just using PortableApps for backup purposes, then the Google Toolbar issue shouldn't affect you that much.
20:55:42 <Jedrzej_s> gluxon: I know about Google Toolbar
20:57:40 <Jedrzej_s> gluxon: Windows registry clean = faster PC and longer life without reinstall Win 7 ;)
20:58:08 <gluxon> Oh :)
20:58:31 <Jedrzej_s> gluxon: I using 100+ softwares ;)
20:58:57 <gluxon> Then I hope they're all portablized in your case O_o
21:00:39 <Jedrzej_s> gluxon: For managing Portable Apps do we need some special tool ?
21:00:49 <gluxon> You shouldn't :)
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21:03:34 <Jedrzej_s> gluxon: Just install separately these which I want and if will be available update for anyone just downloading instaler (for example FF Portable) and instal over older one, right ?
21:04:00 <gluxon> Correct.
21:04:56 <Jedrzej_s> gluxon: :)
21:05:49 <Gizmokid2005> Jedrzej_s: it's actually highly inadvised to install any portableapps in Program Files
21:05:52 <Gizmokid2005> that's a big nono
21:07:02 <Jedrzej_s> Gizmokid2005: Why ? Space character trouble or something else ?
21:07:22 <Gizmokid2005> usually permissions more than anything. Windows is very weird about stuff in Program Files, especially in Vista and newer
21:08:17 <Jedrzej_s> Gizmokid2005: ok
21:12:30 <Jedrzej_s> Gizmokid2005: Are you developer ?
21:12:42 <Gizmokid2005> Jedrzej_s: I am. Songbird and KVIrc are my two apps currently
21:12:57 <Jedrzej_s> Gizmokid2005: :)
21:16:56 <Jedrzej_s> Gizmokid2005: I have seen some kind of Menu for Portable Apps... I mean with installed softwares... For what does it's generally ? We just install separately any apps... I confused...
21:17:17 <Gizmokid2005> Jedrzej_s: there is a "suite" that has a few apps included in the installer, mainly for ease of the popular apps
21:17:58 <Gizmokid2005> you don't have to use the suite, and you can just download the menu/platform by itself and install only the applications you want manually
21:22:41 <Jedrzej_s> Gizmokid2005: I need mmenu/platform ? Or I can just download, for example, Firefox Portable ?
21:22:56 <Gizmokid2005> you don't need the menu/platform, absolutely not.
21:23:08 <Jedrzej_s> Gizmokid2005: ok
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21:29:55 <Jedrzej_s> gluxon: marlop: gluxon: Gizmokid2005: Thx all for many important informations :) Good luck :) I must go now.
21:30:05 <Gizmokid2005> you're welcome Jedrzej_s, cya
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21:35:31 <pa_6780> Help!
21:38:17 <pa_6780> Help! Recently downloaded Hedgwars to my pc. want to uninstall, but it does not appear in installed programs list. Also can't find an uninstall button. Thanks.
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21:45:47 <Gizmokid2005> pa_6780: just delete the HedgewarsPortable folder
21:46:00 <Gizmokid2005> this information is also on the support page
21:46:23 <Gizmokid2005> pa_6780: http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#removingapps
21:47:03 <pa_6780> ok thank again
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21:47:35 <Gizmokid2005> Hello JohnTHaller
21:47:49 <JohnTHaller> hola
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21:48:06 <Gizmokid2005> still no word from SF I see :(
21:48:18 <JohnTHaller> Nope. Figured it would take them a couple days.
21:48:37 <marlop> hy JohnTHaller
21:48:38 <JohnTHaller> Not a huge deal as all old downloads are working at least
21:48:42 <JohnTHaller> hi marlop
21:48:46 <marlop> there is a reference to OO.org at http://portableapps.com/support/libreoffice_portable#modifications "... it will speed up use of OpenOffice.org when you're ..."
21:48:51 <Gizmokid2005> Yeah, I agree there. You should have a mirror somewhere for them :D
21:51:08 <JohnTHaller> though I would really like to post all of these: http://portableapps.com/node/19705
21:51:26 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, given you time to catch up for sure! haha.
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21:52:42 <JohnTHaller> Just means today's new app has to be another freeware release
21:53:02 <Gizmokid2005> but I want my OSS goodness!
21:53:54 <JohnTHaller> Packging up Revo Uninstaller now
21:54:31 <Gizmokid2005> I'm pretty sure someone was just in here yesterday or the day before asking about that...
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22:33:33 <marlop> JohnTHaller, there is a reference to OO.org at http://portableapps.com/support/libreoffice_portable#modifications "... it will speed up use of OpenOffice.org when you're ..."
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