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03:36:34 <GizmoBot> OliverK is a programmer, podcaster, html spelunker and pretty handy with a screwdriver. In short, not to be trifled with.
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04:10:38 <JohnTHaller> Hello all
04:12:57 <OliverK> evening
04:13:54 <ZachThibeau> howdy John
04:15:52 <JohnTHaller> How goes it
04:18:24 <ZachThibeau> well found out that gtk's 64bit build of their library fails epically
04:18:41 <ZachThibeau> missing references etc
04:19:06 <ZachThibeau> but I managed to build PChat 1.4 64bit by linking to the 64bit gtk dll files
04:20:23 <JohnTHaller> Is there really a need for a 64-bit IRC client?
04:21:05 <ZachThibeau> I had users request for a package that they can install
04:22:26 <JohnTHaller> Some people just request 64-bit stuff for their 64-bit OS even though there's really no benefit.
04:22:41 <ZachThibeau> and frankly I was curious of the state of gcc 64bit on windows
04:23:22 <JohnTHaller> I would have guessed not good, honestly, since there's not much call for it and the major Windows GTK apps aren't really worried about 64bit
04:24:18 <ZachThibeau> seems to be working atm, and I don't plan on continuing the gtk frontend, this is frankly the last build, all focus is now being on the wxwidgets build
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04:27:26 <ZachThibeau> atm none of the plugins are buildable 64bit, but I'm not worried to be honest
04:27:41 <ZachThibeau> anyways I'm ready for bed
04:27:44 <ZachThibeau> later all
04:27:52 <JohnTHaller> later ZachThibeau
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04:51:24 <JohnTHaller> Today's new release is up: http://portableapps.com/news/2011-02-02_-_x-moto_portable_0.5.5_released
05:50:33 <JohnTHaller> alright, i am off to bed. gnight baby
05:50:42 <JohnTHaller> hah, wrong IM window :)
05:51:11 <JohnTHaller> gnight all
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09:43:09 <Kiriko> morning guys! :)
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10:06:11 <pa_7709> Morning :)
10:06:31 <pa_7709> Do you accept feature requests anywhere?
10:09:29 <ChrisMorgan> pa_7709: sure. If you like, start by saying it here.
10:09:46 <pa_7709> Hi Chris :)
10:12:03 <pa_7709> What would be great would be the option, as part of the automatic update, to download new apps automatically. Ideally an preference screen where you can select catagories (eg 'internet') and have the auto update routine also download any new apps in those categories
10:14:20 <pa_7709> except for games I keep all the categories fully stocked! :)
10:14:39 <pa_7709> Would save alot of time if it downloaded new ones for me :)
10:15:50 <Kiriko> if it dose get added it should be optional, like a siwtch that can be turn on and off
10:17:16 <pa_7709> well you have the option inthe check boxes, if you dont mark any categories then it won't auto add
10:18:17 <pa_7709> so you have a preference page called 'Add new apps Automatically' and it has checkboxes for utilitis,internet,education etc completly optional if you pick any
10:22:21 <ChrisMorgan> pa_7709: it'll be able to add new apps, but just getting all apps in a category isn't the sort of action that I personally would recommend in general; how much have you actually used every single app? Especially while we're releasing a new app every day!
10:23:57 <pa_7709> Optionally when you file up the updater it displays a page of new apps, tick the boxes for any you want to download and install?
10:24:05 <pa_7709> file*=fire
10:24:29 <ChrisMorgan> It will have approximately that.
10:24:45 <pa_7709> as in already in the pipeline?
10:25:22 <ChrisMorgan> Or do you mean "newly released apps since last time"? If so, that won't be going in at the moment.
10:26:18 <pa_7709> The problem at the moment is that without going back through the history or going through the lists you can completly miss that a new app has been added
10:27:20 <pa_7709> it would be great if somehow you could see a simple list of what you don't have installed and have the updater add any you want for you
10:29:00 <ChrisMorgan> It may be like that, I haven't looked at the updater recently and only briefly looked at it at the time (I'm not working on it at all at the present)
10:29:44 <pa_7709> ie 'check available apps'->'The following apps are available:'->check,check,check->checked apps get automatically downloaded and installed
10:31:45 <pa_7709> hehe I love portable apps, the fact I can even have this discussion with a dev is great :)
10:32:51 <pa_7709> I can't wait for the next platform release :)
10:33:55 <ChrisMorgan> One of the things on my list of things-that-I'd-love-to-do-but-will-probably-never-have-time-to-do is reimplementing the updater completely in a different language which would make these sorts of things a lot easier to do; the current updater is done in NSIS, which is a language designed for installers - the code of the updater is pretty messy, and the GUI capabilities fairly limited.
10:34:30 <pa_7709> what would be the language of choice?
10:35:48 <Kiriko> Ok I just did a quick count of how many apps we have and the total is 165. Out of the 165 apps, 59 of them where released in December and counting. 8-)
10:36:24 <pa_7709> So are there new functions in the release version 2.0 from the beta 5? or is it identical with bug fixes?
10:41:41 <pa_7709> or is there a beta 6 due with new features?
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11:21:51 <Kiriko> hey guys this is a most see check it out http://gizmo.do/eHakH5 you never know when it is going to be needed
11:27:28 <Kiriko> well guys im off to bed eventhogh it is only 6:25 am :-D
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14:20:07 <pa_2636> how to you run a program after renaming the .exe file notepad.exe. this is to bypass web filters?
14:22:33 <pa_2636> its says error: app/appinfo/launcher/notepad.ini could not be found. how to i change the settings so that i can run the programs
14:24:23 <Alley^Away> I think you need files in that path to match the app (exe) name
14:25:49 <pa_2636> do you know where to change the file name in the path, i cannot find which file to change
14:26:18 <Alley^Away> which ini files are in that folder?
14:26:31 <Alley^Away> or what is the original name of the exe file
14:27:18 <pa_2636> im using opera portable so the name of the original exe is OperaPortable.exe
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14:38:06 <pa_2636> i think i found it but another error appears that says another instance of the app is already running
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16:27:48 <JohnTHaller> hello all
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19:03:38 <Kiriko> hi guys! :)
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19:03:55 <JohnTHaller> Hola
19:06:00 <ZachThibeau> howdy John
19:19:07 <Kiriko> hey is there any way to add theme to FeedNotifierPortable?
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19:34:59 <JohnTHaller> add theme?
19:35:20 <Kiriko> yea or modify it!
19:35:39 <Kiriko> I want to change the look of it
19:36:24 <JohnTHaller> Not that I know of. Very few apps permit that (I'd guess way less than 1%) so unless an app specifically says it does, it doesn't.
19:36:25 <Kiriko> It dose support theme cause it gives you the option but there is non to select or modify :(
19:37:23 <JohnTHaller> Oh wait, I see what you mean. Odd that there is just Default
19:37:37 <Kiriko> yea that :)
19:38:25 <JohnTHaller> Ah, support was ditched for it.
19:39:11 <JohnTHaller> It used to have a Themes folder but they ditched the old display method since the ActiveX HTML control was so bad. So it is not possible to theme it any longer.
19:39:39 <JohnTHaller> found it mentioned in an old blog post
19:39:40 <Kiriko> oh man to bad :(
19:40:31 <JohnTHaller> WOuldn't be that hard to allow changes to colors and stuff. Maybe somebody could pick the app back up.
19:41:49 <Kiriko> in that old blog that you found, dose it have the original download with the theme setup on it?
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19:47:14 <pa_4738> hi is there a way of having all portable programs in one download???
19:49:14 <Kiriko> Not that I know of, but that would also bring your computer to a crawl
19:50:57 <Kiriko> but we do have a Suite with the most needed or useful apps http://portableapps.com/download
19:50:58 <pa_4738> you mean to use a crawler?
19:51:23 <pa_4738> i know, but there are no full suites
19:51:24 <Kiriko> no what I mean is that it would slow down your computer way to much
19:51:29 <ZachThibeau> Hey JohnTHaller 169220 needs to be removed
19:51:39 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Kiriko is correct: there are thousands of portable applications.
19:52:01 <pa_4738> i mean just those of portapleapps.com
19:52:34 <Kiriko> yes PortableApps.com has thousands
19:52:38 <pa_4738> i want to download them all then i can organize them
19:53:33 <pa_4738> or at least download all apps of a field, say games
19:54:44 <pa_4738> so no packages will all programs?
19:54:53 <Kiriko> no
19:55:38 <pa_4738> i think a lot of people would be interested
19:55:54 <pa_4738> however thanks for the answer
19:56:05 <Kiriko> you arre welcome :)
19:57:43 <pa_4738> I must say can't see hundreds of apps in this list http://portableapps.com/apps
19:58:24 <Kiriko> that is because the rest of them are in Development
19:58:57 <Kiriko> but so far we have 165 portable applications released and counting
19:59:21 <pa_4738> I meant just those in the list, it would be awesome to have those in a download
20:00:15 <Kiriko> all you have to do is search in our forum you will probably find one you have used or want to use
20:00:58 <Kiriko> yes but the download is for that would be at about 2gb
20:01:26 <pa_4738> its ok
20:01:44 <pa_4738> its time consuming get all these apps
20:02:30 <pa_4738> or alternatively it would be good if there was a download for each category
20:02:54 <pa_4738> i mean the apps released at this site
20:03:59 <pa_4738> disk space is not a big problem, time is for almost everyone
20:04:40 <pa_4738> ok, bye, thanks again
20:04:48 <Kiriko> np :)
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21:17:38 <qwertymodo> can somebody point me to the source for StartPortableApps.exe? I remember finding it at one point and can't find it now...
21:18:04 <qwertymodo> it isn't included with the platform installers or the platform source packages
21:18:17 <Kiriko> platform source packages
21:18:50 <qwertymodo> I just downloaded the platform source and it isn't there
21:19:11 <JohnTHaller> It's included with the source for one of the versions of the platform. It's a dead simple NSIS script that simply starts the platform after ensuring it's a valid one with PortableApps.com set as the company.
21:19:55 <JohnTHaller> http://pastebin.com/23U3rrqH
21:20:07 <qwertymodo> yeah, I remember it was just a short NSIS script, I just wanted to recompile it with a different icon for a neat little project I'm working on
21:20:17 <JohnTHaller> what project?
21:21:05 <qwertymodo> I converted a SNES controller to USB and packed a flash drive into it as well so I have my portable emulator installed IN the controller itself
21:21:15 <JohnTHaller> ah nice
21:21:25 <JohnTHaller> And you just wanted something to kick off the EMU from root, right?
21:21:30 <qwertymodo> yup
21:21:55 <Kiriko> nice! :)
21:22:09 <JohnTHaller> You can ditch lines 64-70 then
21:22:23 <qwertymodo> I'm actually using the full PAM since I'll probably put some other tools on there as well, like Joy2Key and anything else I can think of that might be useful
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21:22:56 <qwertymodo> I'm just having PAM autorun ZSNES and start minimized
21:23:17 <qwertymodo> thanks for the pastebin, btw :)
21:23:29 <JohnTHaller> sure thing. figured it was easier than rooting around for it
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21:26:25 <qwertymodo> haven't been around for awhile, I was glad to see Monster 2 released :)
21:26:33 <ZachThibeau> hey qwertymodo
21:26:38 <JohnTHaller> been quite a few releases lately :)
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21:28:25 <qwertymodo> hey ZachThibeau
21:28:33 <ZachThibeau> whats up?
21:28:52 <qwertymodo> not a whole lot. "working on homework" at the moment ;)
21:30:21 <qwertymodo> it's nice only taking 12 credits for a change...
21:31:08 <ZachThibeau> I'm eventually going back to school, mostly for multimedia related courses + some coding courses too, but that isn't till next year
21:35:00 <qwertymodo> I'm doing a computer science dual major in software and hardware, which has totally been kicking my butt. it's nice having an easy term for a change
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21:39:47 <Acro_> hello?
21:40:04 <JohnTHaller> hi Acro_
21:40:06 <qwertymodo> well, i'd better go eat before my x86 ASM class. thanks for the help :)
21:40:26 <Acro_> G'day, I have a question about P-app updates
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21:40:54 <JohnTHaller> What's your question, Acro_?
21:41:07 <Acro_> there seems to be no 'check for updates' button in my portableapps launcher
21:41:45 <JohnTHaller> If you click Help - About, you probably have 1.6.1 or similar. The updater is part of the current 2.0 Beta release. Details are here: http://portableapps.com/news/2010-07-17_-_portableapps.com_platform_2.0_beta_5_released
21:42:13 <Acro_> one moment
21:42:36 <Acro_> ah, it is correct. I have 1.6.1
21:42:58 <Acro_> Can I use the 2.0 beta?
21:43:09 <Acro_> the page says 'for testers and translators'
21:43:11 <JohnTHaller> You can upgrade to the current beta by just installing it over 1.6.1. It's actually a stable release but some of the translations aren't done.
21:43:21 <Acro_> well that's not a problem
21:43:25 <JohnTHaller> stable in terms of it working fine for everyday use
21:43:28 <Acro_> Would every app be in english?
21:43:42 <JohnTHaller> Nope. This is just the platform, no apps, that it will upgrade.
21:44:08 <Acro_> sorry, I was thinking wrong :P
21:44:11 <JohnTHaller> So if you have 1.6.1 installed to the root directory (so StartPortableApps.exe is in the root), just install 2.0 Beta 5 to the root as well and it'll upgrade.
21:44:20 <Acro_> ok
21:44:23 <JohnTHaller> Then you get the updater and themes, too
21:44:26 <Acro_> I keep my apps?
21:44:31 <Acro_> they dont vanish?
21:44:32 <JohnTHaller> Yup. No apps change.
21:44:41 <Acro_> alright, I'll do that right now
21:47:25 <Acro_> Many thanks =) sorry for bothering
21:47:32 <Acro_> It works now
21:47:38 <JohnTHaller> Not a problem, Acro_. Hope you enjoy the new version :)
21:47:58 <Acro_> I certainly will :) Portable apps have helped me a million of times
21:48:14 <Kiriko> JohnTHaller: Bruce Pascoe never responded back about InnoSetuportable. It has been 1 week and 6 days. what do you want me to do?
21:48:19 <JohnTHaller> Well, we'll keep going and help you a million more :)
21:48:26 <JohnTHaller> Kiriko: Go fot it.
21:48:35 <Acro_> You can not imagine how useful portable Java with a java-compatible browser is in a school with outdated PC's :)
21:48:35 <Kiriko> ok thank you! :)
21:48:41 <Acro_> Thanks again, and have a good day !
21:48:46 <JohnTHaller> You too Acro_
21:48:51 <JohnTHaller> you're welcome
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22:05:44 <Acromartsu> hello?
22:05:52 <Acromartsu> My IRC commands are not working
22:06:56 * Acromartsu loves portableapps
22:08:17 <Acromartsu> solved, never mind
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22:59:13 <Kiriko> ok guys I just finished adding innosetup as a dev http://portableapps.com/node/26576
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