IRC Log from 2011-02-05
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00:13:08 <gluxon> Oh shoot, does anyone have a copy of eXpresso 1.5 Alpha 2 source code? O_o
00:13:24 <gluxon> I just found out my only copy of the source is on a bricked seagate hard drive >_<
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00:16:58 <gluxon> Whew, SciTE4 created eXpresso.ahk.bat
00:17:08 <gluxon> *eXpresso.ahk.bak
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03:25:42 <GizmoBot> OliverK is a programmer, podcaster, html spelunker and pretty handy with a screwdriver. In short, not to be trifled with.
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03:40:21 <JohnTHaller> hi Scriptdaemonq
03:40:47 <Scriptdaemon> JohnTHaller, I'm running 7 too. That makes no sense.
03:40:57 <Scriptdaemon> Did you only try against French?
03:41:09 <JohnTHaller> Yup
03:41:26 <Scriptdaemon> I tried a couple random ones, let me try French.
03:42:28 <JohnTHaller> German same thing
03:42:41 <Scriptdaemon> French still works for me.
03:42:46 <Scriptdaemon> And German.
03:42:56 <JohnTHaller> Always comes up in English for me after a close regardless of lang.
03:43:27 <Scriptdaemon> How are you doing it? Open settings > change drop down menu value > close settings > close program > restart program?
03:43:39 <JohnTHaller> If I ditch your language section, it works properly
03:43:47 <JohnTHaller> Yup
03:44:07 <JohnTHaller> It is properly saving it to the file on exit. I checked the .reg. But your launcher.ini cause it to reset every time.
03:44:37 <Scriptdaemon> We might have to talk to Chris about this. I'm wondering what differences there are between our setups.
03:44:42 <Scriptdaemon> Where are you installing it?
03:45:16 <Scriptdaemon> (It might be a PAL issue somehow)
03:45:33 <JohnTHaller> P:\PortableApps
03:45:55 <JohnTHaller> ConfidRead just shouldn't be used with INI files. Too many issues.
03:46:17 <JohnTHaller> PAL does need an additiona feature to add TrimLeft. Without it, we can't do lang switching for this app.
03:47:18 <Scriptdaemon> And you're launching it directly?
03:47:27 <Scriptdaemon> (I know it's a stupid question, but I'm baffled)
03:47:38 <JohnTHaller> Wait, your Rev 2 package is using PAL 2.0. But your launcher.ini has 2.1 features in it.
03:47:51 <JohnTHaller> Did you accidentally build it with the wrong one?
03:48:02 <Scriptdaemon> No it's not? I don't even have 2.0 installed.
03:48:03 <Scriptdaemon> O.o
03:48:24 <Scriptdaemon> I dunno. Try regenerating the launcher on your end?
03:49:07 <JohnTHaller> The package you have on your DropBox that you sent me is using the launcher *I* generated for the original Rev 1
03:49:11 <JohnTHaller> Which is PAL 2.0
03:50:05 <Scriptdaemon> Oh. So this is still on your end. =P
03:50:16 <Scriptdaemon> Regenerate with 2.1?
03:50:21 <JohnTHaller> You used it and sent it to me in a package for release, my friend :P
03:50:22 <Scriptdaemon> and retest*
03:50:30 <JohnTHaller> It seems to be working with PAL2.1b2
03:50:42 <Scriptdaemon> I assumed it was my launcher from the DT!
03:51:27 <Scriptdaemon> I knew it would work. =P
03:54:54 <JohnTHaller> Ok, I'm using yours, rebuilding it with PAL2.1b2, digitally signing, removing the LanguageStrings section since it is empty, setting to 1.9.3.2 / 1.9.3 Rev 3 in appinfo.ini.
03:55:20 <JohnTHaller> And then installer and sign. Sound good?
03:55:49 <JohnTHaller> Want me to temp post it so you can doublecheck it quick? Just to be safe
03:56:05 <Scriptdaemon> Yeah, let's do that.
03:56:12 <JohnTHaller> Ok, gimme a min
03:57:06 <Scriptdaemon> About the LanguageStrings section, I sometimes forget that. I comment languages that the PA.c menu doesn't support but the base app does, just so I know what I'm doing.
03:57:32 <JohnTHaller> http://portableapps.com/temp/WorkravePortable_1.9.3_Rev_3.paf.exe
03:57:55 <JohnTHaller> I mean in launcher.ini. It's blank excpt for one commented out thing
03:58:47 <Scriptdaemon> Yeah, I know. That's what I was talking about.
04:00:48 <Scriptdaemon> Oh, one thing. I only use file write once to check for the last directory letter and partial directory combined. I can't think of a situation that would require it to find the last directory letter only. Do you think I should put it in anyway?
04:01:14 <JohnTHaller> Yes, we should. If someone has a custom sound file in X:\Documents for example
04:02:28 <JohnTHaller> I'll add it in now and post that as final as long as you are happy with the currnet build
04:02:28 <Scriptdaemon> Alright, I'll put up the .ini on Dropbox.
04:02:33 <Scriptdaemon> Okay, You can do it too.
04:02:34 <Scriptdaemon> lol
04:02:43 <JohnTHaller> http://pastebin.com/syf4VhVP
04:03:09 <JohnTHaller> We could use the double backslash, but it's not really needed
04:03:30 <JohnTHaller> X:\ is generally unique to paths either way.
04:04:07 <Scriptdaemon> Yeah. It'd really only be necessary for the partiqal.
04:04:09 <Scriptdaemon> partial*
04:04:12 <Scriptdaemon> Alright, looks good.
04:04:45 <Scriptdaemon> So, in the future. Regenerate launchers for my apps with 2.1. =P
04:04:51 <JohnTHaller> As a general rule, we do partial and then drive letter only (in that order) for all files with path replacement just for situations where a user may point a custom thing to an unexpected location
04:05:41 <Scriptdaemon> Yeah. I ran into the problem of doing it in the opposite order already. lol
04:09:17 <JohnTHaller> Great, SF release system mirrored a partial file for it.
04:09:37 <Scriptdaemon> Hehe.
04:10:15 <JohnTHaller> What new app should I post tonight?
04:11:04 <rcmaehl> JohnTHaller: what apps you got?
04:11:14 <JohnTHaller> http://portableapps.com/development/test
04:11:25 <Scriptdaemon> Say the app (e.g. Spybot) ONLY keeps a path for the current directory, do I still need both?
04:11:39 <Scriptdaemon> LMMS? :D
04:12:02 <Scriptdaemon> (Assuming I'm not allowed to nominate my own right after you released one of mine.)
04:12:03 <JohnTHaller> Something simple and more niche since it won't get as much publicity
04:12:21 <Scriptdaemon> Hrm.
04:12:27 <rcmaehl> JohnTHaller: speccy
04:12:49 <JohnTHaller> Nope. We need Piriform's go-ahead. Still chatting with them. Actually overdue for a followup.
04:13:16 <rcmaehl> Texter
04:13:19 <Scriptdaemon> Other than that though, it's good to go, when they finally decide on it.
04:13:37 <JohnTHaller> Texter is messy due to the huge number of files moving around. I wouldn't call it final yet.
04:14:27 <Scriptdaemon> Are you doing Java apps now?
04:14:39 <rcmaehl> Okay, well I have to go. My birthday is tomorrow and I'm going to be getting a LOT of phone calls so I'll need sleep. BYE =D
04:14:40 <JohnTHaller> No. Not until fully handled by the launcher and platform
04:14:52 <JohnTHaller> Bye rcmaehl. Happy bday!
04:15:03 <rcmaehl> thx
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04:15:26 <JohnTHaller> Maybe I'll just post GetSudoku and get it out of the way
04:15:50 <Scriptdaemon> Yeah. Are you doing low priority apps throughout the whole weekend?
04:16:40 <Scriptdaemon> I'd say get Cube out tomorrow or Sunday if that's the case, then do Sauerbraten on a good day. I'm anxious to report to them download stats and whatnot.
04:17:06 <JohnTHaller> Prob. I often go to older abandonded apps on the ready for release list and give them a quick PAL treatment and release
04:17:14 <Scriptdaemon> Ah.
04:17:15 <JohnTHaller> Nah, I want those during the week
04:17:20 <Scriptdaemon> Alright.
04:17:24 <JohnTHaller> We should promote em, they're solid games
04:17:36 <Scriptdaemon> I just figured, Cube is rather old so Sauerbraten is the big one.
04:17:48 <Scriptdaemon> But you're right.
04:19:08 <JohnTHaller> Well, GetSudoku has no settings, so that's easy
04:19:25 <Scriptdaemon> :)
04:19:33 <Scriptdaemon> I love that.
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04:22:25 <JohnTHaller> hi ChrisMorgan
04:22:31 <ChrisMorgan> Hey JohnTHaller
04:22:47 <JohnTHaller> We were just discussing a PAL want earlier.
04:23:04 <Scriptdaemon> I believe he's already planning TrimLeft, actually.
04:23:05 <JohnTHaller> TrimLeft with INI LanguageFiles
04:23:08 <JohnTHaller> Ah cool
04:23:24 <Scriptdaemon> I remember speaking about it with you, right ChrisMorgan?
04:23:59 <ChrisMorgan> I did have it as a thing I should implement. Didn't actually put it in my roadmap though.
04:24:48 <JohnTHaller> Lots of .reg files need it due to quotes
04:25:05 <ChrisMorgan> No - INI will get rid of the quotes on reading.
04:25:23 <Scriptdaemon> I still say it's fine as is as long as *someone* doesn't generate the launcher with 2.0. >.>
04:25:32 <JohnTHaller> In theory. Except that it doesn't
04:25:48 <ChrisMorgan> You get a line like "Foo"="bar", you get the [LanguageFile] Key='"Foo"' and the value will be read as ``bar``
04:25:52 <JohnTHaller> Scriptdaemon: I switched it to 2.1b2 and it still failed with the INI reading
04:26:05 <Scriptdaemon> That's why I don't use INI reading. =P
04:26:23 <Scriptdaemon> That's not what I'm referring to as "fine" though.
04:26:28 <Scriptdaemon> I know what you mean for TrimLeft.
04:26:30 <JohnTHaller> It works fine, we just need to strip it. ConfigRead on a .reg can get messy fast
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04:28:33 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: Correct, but we need the string fr not the string "fr"
04:28:48 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: the quotes should be being stripped. If they're not, it's a bug in Windows.
04:29:39 <JohnTHaller> Grab my Rev 2 of Workrave and regenerate the launcher (I think i had it as 2.0 in the actual release) if you want to see it in action
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04:30:12 <Scriptdaemon> You also forgot to change entry= to key= in yours as well, btw JohnTHaller
04:30:28 <Scriptdaemon> entry is for ConfigRead, key is for INI.
04:30:28 <JohnTHaller> Yeah I saw that after I posted it.
04:30:34 <Scriptdaemon> K.
04:31:21 <JohnTHaller> I think I may have just totally messed it up then :(
04:31:45 <Scriptdaemon> Teach you to doubt my launcher.ini skills.
04:32:33 <Scriptdaemon> Do you want to do a rev for Spybot? I'm adding relative path changing to it, and I don't think 2.0 will be out for awhile still.
04:33:15 <JohnTHaller> Does it need it? Is there much a user custom selects pathwise?
04:33:56 <Scriptdaemon> I haven't tested moving it, but it keeps a registry key for the current path.
04:33:58 <Scriptdaemon> No idea why.
04:34:28 <JohnTHaller> It may just reset that on its own. Try moving it.
04:34:54 <JohnTHaller> we try and only do revs if we really need to. don't want to force users to download stuff
04:38:38 <Scriptdaemon> It does regenerate it on its own.
04:38:41 <Scriptdaemon> Cool.
04:38:52 <JohnTHaller> Cool
04:40:25 <ZachThibeau> I may be a glutton for punishment, I say that as I'm working on a 64bit build of mplayer >_<
04:40:36 <JohnTHaller> *facepalm* why?
04:41:14 <ZachThibeau> just for the challenge I suppose
04:41:33 <JohnTHaller> But why not take on something challenging and useful
04:41:47 <Scriptdaemon> Yeah, like fix Regshot.
04:41:50 <JohnTHaller> So it's a challenge while working on it *AND* you get something useful when you're done that you can share with others
04:42:29 <ZachThibeau> well the 64bit build of mplayer was more or less for myself, It's my break from PChat/ChillPlayer
04:42:52 <JohnTHaller> Just go play halo, dude :-P
04:43:01 <ZachThibeau> haven't played that in ages
04:43:08 <Scriptdaemon> Ew.
04:43:12 <Scriptdaemon> Play Counterstrike.
04:43:28 <ZachThibeau> never liked counterstrike that much to be honest
04:43:36 <Scriptdaemon> Blasphemy!
04:43:42 <ZachThibeau> lately though I've been getting all the steam achivements for Half Life 2 though
04:43:57 <Scriptdaemon> I got those a long time ago.
04:44:01 <ZachThibeau> down to like 4 to finish
04:44:09 <Scriptdaemon> I'm still waiting for EP 3. :(
04:44:12 <ZachThibeau> same
04:44:15 <ZachThibeau> and portal 2
04:44:21 <JohnTHaller> I've played through HL2 3 times now :)
04:44:28 <ZachThibeau> sad to say portal 2 is the one that is actually coming out xD
04:44:39 <Scriptdaemon> Yes, but that actually has a release date. Nobody knows what's going on with Ep 3 right now.
04:44:44 <Scriptdaemon> Yeah.
04:44:45 <Scriptdaemon> lol
04:45:02 <ZachThibeau> black mesa source is a joke now too :/
04:45:14 <ZachThibeau> they too follow valve time
04:45:31 <Scriptdaemon> THe funniest out of all of this, Duke Nukem Forever is finally coming out.
04:45:32 <Scriptdaemon> lol
04:45:33 <Scriptdaemon> The*
04:45:54 <ZachThibeau> never was a nukem guy
04:46:13 <Scriptdaemon> I liked playing them way back.
04:46:21 <Scriptdaemon> The new one looks awesome though.
04:46:48 <ZachThibeau> hmm flac is giving me some issues, oh well not technically needed for mplayer
04:47:23 <ZachThibeau> I'll finish it tomorrow
04:47:46 <JohnTHaller> Oh guys, I got our updated traffic numbers the other day.
04:47:56 <Scriptdaemon> Oh?
04:47:59 <OliverK> and?
04:48:25 <JohnTHaller> We're closing in on 2 million absolute unique visitors a month (Google Analytics term)
04:48:30 <ZachThibeau> wow
04:48:47 <JohnTHaller> That puts us in BoingBoing and Slashdot territory.
04:48:49 <OliverK> ?
04:48:54 <Scriptdaemon> Zach took that word right out of my mouth.
04:48:54 <OliverK> :O
04:49:09 <Scriptdaemon> Keep releasing apps and it'll grow.
04:49:15 <JohnTHaller> Apparently :)
04:49:45 <JohnTHaller> Though it gets more expensive as it grows. Gonna do a donation drive as soon as I post the next beta.
04:49:55 <Scriptdaemon> Yeah.
04:50:19 <JohnTHaller> Still operating at a loss and all.
04:50:24 <Scriptdaemon> Ad revenue doesn't grow as well? (I've not worked with ads directly before).
04:50:58 <ZachThibeau> in the 4 years I started with adsense, I've only made $8 xD
04:51:08 <Scriptdaemon> Does PA.c even have ads? I forget, since I use Adblock and all. >.>
04:51:20 <ZachThibeau> yeah they do
04:51:26 <Scriptdaemon> Gotcha.
04:51:27 <OliverK> yeah
04:51:27 <ZachThibeau> I disable adblock for portableapps.com
04:51:32 <OliverK> ^^ +1
04:51:47 <Scriptdaemon> I probably should. I just haven't done it for anything for the entire time I've had it.
04:51:49 <Scriptdaemon> Doing it now.
04:52:30 <JohnTHaller> I've kept the ads really small. Just 2. The plan is to ditch em once the site is self-supporting (hardware and software partners)
04:53:12 <Scriptdaemon> Are you currently talking to any commercial developers?
04:53:24 <Scriptdaemon> I've had no luck with any I've asked. =\
04:53:41 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, a few. They're more interested as we grow, of course.
04:54:08 <Scriptdaemon> Yeah. Maybe I can convince VS Revo Group after I report to them some download stats.
04:54:58 <JohnTHaller> A lot of the newer individual apps are still relatively low in terms of stats (well compared to 10s of millions on our major apps). But that should ramp up with the platform updates.
04:55:10 <Scriptdaemon> Yeah.
04:55:24 <Scriptdaemon> When the updater is on a stable release, especially.
04:55:32 <Scriptdaemon> in*
04:58:15 <Scriptdaemon> Well, I require nourishment. I'll be back soon.
04:59:27 <ZachThibeau> night all
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05:06:25 <JohnTHaller> Today's new app is up: http://portableapps.com/news/2011-02-04_-_get_sudoku_portable_1.0_released
05:08:58 <JohnTHaller> ... and I am off to bed. gnight all
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05:39:49 <Bensawsome> coooooool
05:39:56 <Bensawsome> my bro will love that app xD
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06:08:51 <Kiriko> hi guys! :)
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07:11:28 <Kiriko> good night guys! :)
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15:16:13 <JohnTHaller> If anybody is around, please try browsing several pages on the site and let me know if it feels faster.
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15:47:06 <benedikt93> JohnTHaller, I'd say it does
15:49:09 <JohnTHaller> Cool. Been tweaking the config a bit more.
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15:53:03 <GizmoBot> ...
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18:27:56 <MildBill> Help!
18:28:58 <MildBill> I don't know if it's possible, but is there a way to have Google Chrome as the default browser for Portable Apps?
18:29:47 <TPFC-SYSTEM> What do you mean by "the default browser for Portable Apps?"
18:31:23 <MildBill> Well, as a for instance, if I click on one of the help in Portable apps, it starts Friefox to go to the page, as opposed to Chrome. This is true in several places.
18:33:18 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Hm. I don't know if PortableApps.com Menu uses the default browser of if it's hardcoded to Firefox Portable.
18:34:32 <benedikt93> I think I heard something about this choice being possible in future platform versions.
18:36:16 <MildBill> Currently using 1.6.1, so maybe if I update to 2.05 ?
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18:38:03 <benedikt93> nope, b5 for sure doesn't give you the choice
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18:39:49 <MildBill> Darn! Well, in that case I'll stick with 1.6.1 for now.
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18:50:08 <MildBill> Thanks!
18:50:13 <MildBill> Later
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20:22:25 <Simeon> hi all
20:22:27 <Simeon> hi John
20:22:31 <JohnTHaller> hola
20:23:47 <Simeon> sf.net is slow atm...
20:23:55 <Simeon> 450 kb a sec.
20:24:12 <JohnTHaller> specific mirror or overall?
20:24:26 <Simeon> i tried 2 ovn was 200, mesh is 450.
20:24:38 <Simeon> ...and GnuCash is big :)
20:25:28 <JohnTHaller> yeah, it got bigger
20:25:29 <Simeon> at least its working at all. thx for the rush of apps over the last days john
20:25:42 <JohnTHaller> sure thing. wanted to get all the outdated caught up
20:27:07 <Simeon> gnucash went up 30 mb - thats a lot!
20:28:01 <Simeon> food is waiting - see yall later
20:28:10 <JohnTHaller> later Simeon
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21:29:14 <Simeon> one thing I wanted to get some feedback out: I like the short description in brackets you started putting into the release titles - a short hint about what the thing does.
21:29:33 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, I figured it was handy for titles and for twitter
21:29:42 <Simeon> definitively
21:30:33 <JohnTHaller> Simeon: were you around when I told everybody else our updated traffic numbers?
21:30:58 <Simeon> i read the logs: 2 millions or something wasnt it?
21:31:48 <JohnTHaller> closing in on 2 million absolute unique visitors a month. about on par with BoingBoing and Slashdot
21:31:48 <Simeon> I am 6 hours earlier than you so it was like the middle of the night or something :)
21:32:48 <Simeon> nice
21:34:54 <JohnTHaller> btw site seem faster to you today?
21:35:25 <Simeon> not really. switching off the live stats made it a lot better - no improvement from there.
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22:08:08 <Simeon> gnight all
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22:16:09 <Kiriko> hi guys!:)
22:16:15 <JohnTHaller> hola
22:19:06 <Kiriko> man do we have the worlds biggest ice sakteting rink ever!
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