IRC Log from 2011-02-10

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00:01:03 <pa_4469> E:\PortableApps\FirefoxPortable\FirefoxPortable.exe
00:02:27 <JohnTHaller> Ok, and Firefox Portable currently has none of your bookmarks or other info in it correct?
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00:03:18 <pa_4469> right
00:03:35 <JohnTHaller> And when you say you updated... you downloaded and installed the new Firefox Portable over the old one... or used the built in FF updater?
00:04:07 <pa_4469> always the updater
00:04:22 <pa_4469> i refresh my update once a day
00:04:56 <JohnTHaller> Ok. What I would suggest is simply delete the FirefoxPortable directory, download a fresh copy and install that. That's the easiest way to ensure it's all as it should be and works.
00:06:03 <pa_4469> ok.. will be back.. i have to close this session since i am using FF.. brb
00:06:08 <JohnTHaller> You'll lose anything you did in FF but as you said it keeps reseting, it won't matter,
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00:06:36 <pa_4469> right... nothing is saving anyway.. lol.. brb
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00:15:29 <pa_2864> hi JohnTHaller i uninstalled the FF and having problem with the fresh copy... says the "page non responsive.. Kill or Wait"
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00:19:35 <JohnTHaller> what says that?
00:20:18 <pa_2864> when i click on the FF portable download
00:20:39 <pa_2864> i even tried the FF beta 4.0
00:20:59 <JohnTHaller> Ah, that would be SourceForge having issues unfortunately. They did a site redesign today and the servers are slow
00:21:12 <pa_2864> is it downloading from sourceforge or from one of PA servers?
00:21:25 <pa_2864> oh
00:22:04 <Kiriko> Its from SourceForge
00:23:03 <pa_2864> yes.. i'm having the same problem reaching SourceForge too.. I'll try in a while
00:23:48 <pa_2864> so JohnTHaller do you think that should solve my issue of FF bookmarks and saving info?
00:23:53 <Kiriko> i send you the file if you like i have a fresh copy
00:24:11 <Kiriko> I can send **
00:24:17 <pa_2864> ok
00:24:41 <pa_2864> i'm using the webchat
00:24:43 <JohnTHaller> it should yes
00:25:13 <Kiriko> dont weary ill up laod it to my mediafire and you can get from there
00:25:27 <Kiriko> just note that i will delet it as soon as you download it
00:25:49 <pa_2864> ok :)
00:25:50 <Kiriko> im uploading it as of now
00:26:25 <Kiriko> just give it min to finish
00:26:31 <pa_2864> ok
00:26:47 <pa_2864> so how do i get to the exact url
00:27:00 <Kiriko> ill give to you
00:27:06 <pa_2864> k
00:27:09 <pa_2864> thanks
00:27:15 <Kiriko> its at 80%
00:27:43 <pa_2864> it's virus/spyware free right? :)
00:28:10 <Kiriko> yeap bet it is :)
00:28:29 <Kiriko> the only reason im doing this is cause we need to find out if these is a locallys problem or something that needs more attention
00:28:50 <Kiriko> ok here is the link http://www.mediafire.com/file/3jl72j39bpjzl2v/FirefoxPortable_3.6.13_English.paf.exe
00:28:50 <pa_2864> ok.. thanks
00:30:05 <Kiriko> no problem
00:30:46 <pa_2864> ok.. 9.46MB downloaded.. i'm installing it right now.. so you can delete it if you like
00:30:56 <Kiriko> ok thank you
00:31:59 <Kiriko> the file has been deleted
00:32:26 <pa_2864> i'm about quarter way installing.. brb
00:32:56 <Kiriko> hopefully this is a locallys problem and not something els
00:32:57 <Kiriko> ok
00:45:50 <pa_2864> ok.. the bookmarks seem to be working..
00:46:06 <pa_2864> thanks Kiriko, JohnTHaller
00:46:21 <Kiriko> pa_2864: dose it work now?
00:46:33 <pa_2864> the previous version came from the Suite that i downloaded
00:47:07 <pa_2864> i was updating it regularly but i guess the base copy could have had some issues..
00:47:20 <pa_2864> Kiriko: yes it does seem to be working..
00:47:26 <Kiriko> ok good
00:47:29 <Kiriko> :)
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00:47:33 <pa_2864> i've saved two sites and they work
00:47:49 <Kiriko> yeay ^_^
00:48:38 <pa_2864> i did have issues with Marble too.. it wouldn't download any map tiles
00:49:16 <pa_2864> just wondering if my suite i downloaded was corrupt or something.. everything seem to be working though
00:50:04 <Kiriko> yea for now just wait for sourceforge to finish fixing there system before downloading any other things
00:50:10 <pa_2864> but i uninstalled the Marble so i'm not worried about that anymore
00:50:19 <pa_2864> k
00:50:22 <pa_2864> thanks again
00:50:40 <Kiriko> no problem glad to be of help :)
00:51:31 <pa_2864> btw.. since i've uninstalled and reinstalled a few apps is there a way to optimize my flash drive
00:52:29 <Kiriko> no there is not, please do not defrag you flash drive that would only create more harm than good
00:52:40 <pa_2864> k
00:53:46 <pa_2864> is there a way to protect my flash drive or the computer i am inserting into from infection
00:54:58 <Kiriko> you can use clamwinportable and spybotportable, note that they are on demand scanners
00:55:49 <Kiriko> http://portableapps.com/apps/security
00:56:28 <pa_2864> i already have clamwin portable .. but lets say if i insert my flash drive into a computer that is infected .. will it protect my flash drive
00:57:32 <agdurrette> no
00:58:13 <pa_2864> i c
00:58:36 <Kiriko> there is no 100% garantea that a antivirus program will proctect your drive or files
00:59:38 <Kiriko> every time you plug your drive or device to any computer you run the risck of getting a virus or spyware tranfer
00:59:59 <pa_2864> hmm
01:01:02 <agdurrette> what computer will you be using? school computers, library friends or some random computer?
01:02:56 <pa_2864> all of the above :)
01:03:03 <Kiriko> brb i have walk my dog he is driveving me nuts
01:03:31 <pa_2864> hehe
01:03:32 <pa_2864> ok
01:05:21 <agdurrette> i think the only computers you really need to worry about are friends and random computers
01:06:15 <pa_2864> true.. library and school have good protection i presume
01:06:30 <pa_2864> how do they do it i wonder
01:07:15 <pa_2864> my primary objective is not to infect anyone nor get infected..
01:07:30 <pa_2864> i guess that's everyone objective.. lol
01:08:12 <agdurrette> they pay good money :)
01:09:57 <pa_2864> lol
01:18:33 <pa_2864> i heard that most of the OpenOffice developers have formed another org and come up with a better version LibreOffice 3.3 as the review stated.. so is there going to be a portable version of it.. ?
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01:24:14 <Kiriko> yes we already have it
01:24:33 <Kiriko> http://portableapps.com/apps/office/libreoffice_portable
01:24:36 <YouKnowMe> agdurrette: regarding MumblePortable (portableapps.com/node/25616), can you tell me (briefly please) how you dealt with the file in "My Documents"? I'm not able to check it myself ATM, but I'm interested in what is in AppInfo\Launcher\MumblePortable.ini :)
01:25:16 <agdurrette> yes, let me check
01:25:50 <YouKnowMe> Ok, thanks :)
01:25:56 <YouKnowMe> Will wait
01:26:07 <agdurrette> MumbleAutomaticCertificateBackup.p12=%DOCUMENTS%\
01:26:10 <agdurrette> ^that?
01:26:57 <YouKnowMe> agdurrette: yes, that was it. Thank you very much :D
01:27:08 <YouKnowMe> Bye now
01:27:12 <agdurrette> np
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01:32:37 <KindOne_shell> Thanks for the VirtuaWin Portable, I've been using my own "hacked copy" for awhile now, I'm glad you have made it offical.
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02:54:24 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: I've got Songbird 1.9.3 packaged up, wanna do a PR or straight to release?
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02:54:43 <Gizmokid2005> the only thing I was worried about (prefs.js) looks fine to me after drive letter changes.
02:54:49 <Gizmokid2005> and it is quite the performance improvement.
02:55:52 <JohnTHaller> Cool. Any changes you made to packaging, etc? Did you make sure an upgrade works?
02:56:01 <Gizmokid2005> no packaging changes
02:56:06 <Gizmokid2005> I did an upgrade of my own version
02:56:33 <Gizmokid2005> one thing that would probably need a note, is that songbird does a library conversion from 1.8 to 1.9 (some format changes - one of their big upgrades) that may take a while on slower drives
02:56:39 <Gizmokid2005> other than that, it worked like a champ, no issues.
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02:58:54 <JohnTHaller> Ah, good to know. I'll add that into the release announcement.
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02:59:15 <JohnTHaller> the tables in the db didn't change enough to require a launcher change did they?
03:00:33 <Gizmokid2005> not from what I can tell. I changed the drive letter and didn't have any issues. I didn't play around with it for hours ofc, but just the playing music/etc works good.
03:01:35 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: http://papps.gizmokid2005.com/Songbird/SongbirdPortable_1.9.3_Pre_Release_1.paf.exe
03:02:44 <JohnTHaller> Got it
03:02:57 <JohnTHaller> The database update happens on first run after the upgrade right?
03:03:03 <Gizmokid2005> yes
03:03:08 <JohnTHaller> Ok cool
03:03:16 <JohnTHaller> I didn't even know it was out, I'm gonna update my local one, too
03:03:20 <Gizmokid2005> I had backups of my data just to be sure incase of a fail, but it looks good
03:03:25 <Gizmokid2005> :) I got the notification today
03:05:43 <Gizmokid2005> I'm surprised, Songbird has had over 132k downloads, with the popularity being as follows: 1.4.3 (55700), 1.2 (48400), 1.7.3 (27700), and 1.8 (760)...
03:06:29 <JohnTHaller> That sounds like stats errors, actually. Unfortunately SF's stats have been pretty off :(
03:07:18 <Gizmokid2005> that's what I figured, 1.8 seems waaaay too low to be correct, esp since September
03:07:26 <Gizmokid2005> the other 3 I'll believe though
03:08:05 <JohnTHaller> Oh wait, 1.8 is low because we immediately did a rev 2. and that has 52k
03:08:16 <Gizmokid2005> ooh...I didn't see that...not sure how
03:08:49 <Gizmokid2005> I see 41372 for R2
03:09:11 <JohnTHaller> Really? weird
03:09:18 <Gizmokid2005> yes, 41372 all time
03:09:21 <Gizmokid2005> 585.9GB
03:09:24 <Gizmokid2005> http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/detail.php?group_id=151265&ugn=portableapps&type=prdownload&mode=alltime&file_id=3292145
03:09:26 <Gizmokid2005> using that stat
03:09:38 <Gizmokid2005> that makes it #3 most popular download of it.
03:09:49 <Gizmokid2005> and puts the total to 174k downloads
03:09:54 <Gizmokid2005> that's a lot of downloads actually
03:10:00 <JohnTHaller> Oh those don't really work right anymore.
03:10:09 <JohnTHaller> You need to use the new files interface and drill down
03:10:15 <Gizmokid2005> bah, the beta one?
03:12:02 <JohnTHaller> hmm, it is faster
03:12:14 <Gizmokid2005> lmao wtf...I use http://sourceforge.net/projects/portableapps/files/Songbird%20Portable/stats/timeline?dates=2009-01-01+to+2010-01-01
03:12:20 <Gizmokid2005> and it tells me 66673 downloads?
03:12:53 <JohnTHaller> sigh
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03:13:28 <Gizmokid2005> I liked my numbers best anyways :)
03:16:27 <Gizmokid2005> AH! Stupid sf...I got it finally, it changed my dates. 188,058 downloads of Songbird total so far
03:16:31 <Gizmokid2005> http://sourceforge.net/projects/portableapps/files/Songbird%20Portable/stats/timeline?dates=2008-01-01+to+2011-03-01
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03:27:51 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: http://blog.songbirdnest.com/2011/02/09/songbird-1-9-released/ <-- there you go
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04:09:18 <Kiriko> wow that new app is nice but is pretty big for what it dose
04:09:35 <JohnTHaller> Yeah. GTK + locales
04:09:43 <Kiriko> ah ok
04:10:08 <Kiriko> did you use PA Appcompactor
04:10:17 <JohnTHaller> I was gonna make translations optional but I forgot :( They aren't optional in the pre-release either.
04:13:32 <Kiriko> I used PA Appcompactor and it only shaves off about 2mb
04:15:27 <JohnTHaller> It was already used on it.
04:15:34 <JohnTHaller> The files not compressed shouldn't be I think
04:15:34 <Kiriko> ah ok
04:17:44 <Kiriko> it works just fine even after i reconprest it lol, but you know i like it casue it looks simple and usable
04:18:16 <JohnTHaller> It's a decent app. I think the only PS and DVI viewer
04:19:41 <Kiriko> for now ill only use it on my computer and not usb drive
04:30:11 <Kiriko> Gizmokid2005: man you put out the new update pretty darn quick :)
04:30:24 <Gizmokid2005> Kiriko: I try :) Gotta keep up with John somehow
04:30:30 <Kiriko> lol
04:30:47 <Gizmokid2005> besides, it was the perfect update for potable
04:30:49 <Gizmokid2005> *portable
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04:37:21 <JohnTHaller> gnucash will be posted shortly as well :)
04:37:32 <Kiriko> cool
04:37:51 <JohnTHaller> I wanna sleep, but I told a user I'd have it for him today.
04:38:57 <Kiriko> ah i c
04:42:56 <Gizmokid2005> glad you got Songbird out too JohnTHaller
04:43:17 <Gizmokid2005> hopefully I can always get it updated same day :)
04:43:30 <JohnTHaller> we strive for 24hrs where possible.
04:43:49 <Gizmokid2005> but, I don't see a warning about the library rebuild
04:44:34 <JohnTHaller> in the first paragraph
04:44:47 <JohnTHaller> (only place we note changes anymore)
04:44:49 <Gizmokid2005> Oohh
04:44:52 <Gizmokid2005> makes sense there :)
04:45:00 <JohnTHaller> that way it's out on RSS too
04:45:54 <Gizmokid2005> good reason for me!
04:47:37 <JohnTHaller> man gnucash is big now
04:47:56 <Kiriko> oh no
04:48:23 <JohnTHaller> Same size as 2.4.0. It's just big.
05:06:35 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: no twitter post for Songbird?
05:07:00 <JohnTHaller> it's coming
05:07:25 <Gizmokid2005> weird, both Evince and GnuCash posted so I just thought I'd check
05:07:26 <JohnTHaller> and done
05:07:43 <Gizmokid2005> Ahh, no auto-twitter post yet?
05:08:36 <JohnTHaller> I do them manually. We had autotwitter posts. but it would miss about 2/3 of the releases for some reason.
05:08:45 <Gizmokid2005> weird...
05:08:59 <JohnTHaller> Figured it was more important to do them all than automate.
05:09:26 <Gizmokid2005> definitely
05:09:57 <Kiriko> I had used the twitter botton when i first whent to download them, just in case :)
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05:20:41 <JohnTHaller> So who's around at the moment?
05:21:00 <Kiriko> I am
05:21:38 <JohnTHaller> Kiriko: If you could change anything about PA.c, what would it be?
05:22:25 <Kiriko> wow, well if you are rifering to the site it self I would add some animation
05:22:38 <Kiriko> but to be onest everything els i like
05:23:02 <JohnTHaller> what kind? rollovers? or you mean videos?
05:23:38 <Kiriko> ok had been workin on some ad's type of thing for PA.c
05:23:48 <Kiriko> but I did not know how to go about it
05:23:58 <Kiriko> I have the software and the time to do it
05:24:10 <JohnTHaller> what kinda ad did you mean?
05:24:51 <Kiriko> well one with sping logos of the apps that we have in the suite
05:25:13 <OliverK|Away> JohnTHaller: your links were to long I figure
05:25:49 <JohnTHaller> sping logos?
05:25:58 <OliverK|Away> for twitter, the autmatic post
05:26:02 <OliverK|Away> automatic*
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05:26:26 <OliverK> I have that issue with my personal blog sometimes
05:26:29 <JohnTHaller> so links to twitter, reddit, email, etc within each app page?
05:26:35 <Kiriko> other with things that people can use like Libreoffice/Openoffice and yes maby some videos
05:26:48 <OliverK> ?
05:26:56 <JohnTHaller> yeah, I want to add vidoes and more screenshots
05:27:07 <JohnTHaller> reviews and ratings will be coming after the app directory update too
05:27:21 <Kiriko> yea that would be cool
05:28:37 <Kiriko> also I thinkk that we should make an update to the Light Suite by adding Gnumeric Portable to it
05:28:38 <JohnTHaller> I'd like to pose these types of questions to all our devs. But I may need a hand coming up with some questions. You guys want to help?
05:28:48 <OliverK> I suppose
05:28:50 <Gizmokid2005> My biggest thigns would be this
05:28:54 <Kiriko> yea np
05:29:17 <Gizmokid2005> 1) We should have some media, simple how-to videos, etc. Just to explain the applications, show them off. Myabe some tuts about some of the FAQs
05:29:23 <Gizmokid2005> like adding/removing apps, installing, etc.
05:29:27 <JohnTHaller> The nice thing is that we'll have the freedome to redo the themes and add others based on the updater
05:29:49 <Gizmokid2005> 2) have an easier to access FAQ. Something that's linked to from the Help page that says "FAQ" that lists OS compatibility, where it works, etc.
05:29:51 <Gizmokid2005> also
05:29:51 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: I agree. A single page with text doesn't cut it.
05:30:09 <Gizmokid2005> another (would be good thing) is an ability to create your own installer on the fly.
05:30:19 <JohnTHaller> I can start monitoring the help section and seeing what is popular within it
05:30:23 <Gizmokid2005> you know, the suite download, have an option for a user to go to the site and compile their own installer
05:30:29 <Gizmokid2005> I know that's a dream thing
05:30:34 <Gizmokid2005> but I see that posed a lot in here
05:31:06 <Gizmokid2005> the major FAQs I see in here is "How do I install it", "Where do I install it", "can I run it on [x device]/[x platform]"
05:31:09 <JohnTHaller> own installer on the fly has some technical issues to overcome (if we build it on the fly, you lose the ability to digitally sign. But I have come up with a possible workaroud.
05:31:39 <JohnTHaller> I want those generic (not per app and more easily explained with either still images or sip,e camstudio animatsions
05:32:26 <Gizmokid2005> want what generic?
05:32:28 <Gizmokid2005> the FAQ?
05:32:38 <Kiriko> I also was working on making an offline e-book
05:32:45 <JohnTHaller> How to install...
05:33:00 <Kiriko> but that is a bit hard to do since we have so many new apps
05:33:14 <Gizmokid2005> Yeah, a generic one would work
05:33:17 <JohnTHaller> We could crowdsource a book with all the basics up to 2.0. and split the proceeds.
05:33:18 <Gizmokid2005> just walks you through the installer
05:33:19 <Kiriko> now, just general info about the program we have
05:33:57 <JohnTHaller> It may be easier for people to learn by seeing a short video of an install. But some users may be more comfortable with a book they can jot down notes on
05:34:18 <OliverK> yeah, but that may not even be enough
05:34:20 <Kiriko> yea that sounds good
05:34:40 <Gizmokid2005> They'd both be good
05:34:48 <Gizmokid2005> I can see videos being more helpful in the short-term though
05:34:54 <Gizmokid2005> quick 30s-2m vids
05:35:21 <Gizmokid2005> and in the end, a nice compiled one from start to finish, just so you can give someone a good overview
05:35:23 <JohnTHaller> Yeah. Just small individual ones done as broadly as possible. I can subtitle them or have additional translators do the voiceovers
05:35:35 <Gizmokid2005> that would work too
05:35:54 <Kiriko> i agree
05:36:05 <Gizmokid2005> start small and simple
05:36:07 <Gizmokid2005> work your way up
05:36:39 <JohnTHaller> Yeah. We could just do each video as it is done. And accept feedback from the communiyu.
05:36:51 <JohnTHaller> For the lilttle additional bits for other apps, I'm thinking wiki pages.
05:37:08 <OliverK> spamming?
05:37:19 <OliverK> the remore exploit wiki pages have been locked due to spamming
05:37:43 <Gizmokid2005> a wiki could be useful, but it should definitely be linked to accounts like the forums are
05:37:46 <Kiriko> no we can make a totally diferent setting for us
05:37:49 <Gizmokid2005> but you have to watch for spam
05:38:05 <JohnTHaller> It would be site members only. Probably admin, mod, transators, devs first.
05:38:16 <Kiriko> yea that works
05:38:37 <Gizmokid2005> that would be my decision
05:38:57 <OliverK> sounds good
05:39:09 <JohnTHaller> And maybe add in other 'power members' who are good with helping people out, good at testing and suggesting, and good at referring new members (which we're gonna track SpreadFirefox style finally)
05:39:52 <Kiriko> man i think im the biggest spreader of PA.c
05:40:04 <Gizmokid2005> the only other thing I'd say needs work, and you already seem to have a plan for it, is communication/updates/announcements about the platform and status on PA.c
05:40:43 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, I'll be doing another blog post this week and explain some of the coming features with screenshots.
05:41:13 <JohnTHaller> tomorrow ia an all-day platform work day, so we'll see where we're at
05:41:14 <Gizmokid2005> that's gotta be the most common complaint
05:41:27 <Gizmokid2005> there is one other thing, that might be useful, though probably nearly impossible
05:41:35 <Kiriko> ?
05:42:09 <Gizmokid2005> is for each app, or even compiled on one page, if you'd run the installer/files through VirusTotal and Jotti and could post the results (clean, etc) so when someone has an FP issue, it's already there that we checked it and it's fine.
05:42:10 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, I won't leabgve people hanging again. There will be a weekly update from me on my blog that way people see it and can even subscriube to RSS. Less buried than the forums.
05:42:24 <Gizmokid2005> there have been a few people who just "don't believe you" when it comes to telling them it's an FP
05:42:50 <Gizmokid2005> that sounds good :) Just as long as there's something, even if it's "Sorry, been busy. No updates, let you know in a week." it's better than nothing
05:43:13 <Kiriko> yea that is true
05:43:21 <JohnTHaller> It's possible, though it may run up our bill a bit. We were approached by two big vendors to be on their whitelist listing but technically it was tough to automate at the time (and my bandwidth was minimal). I think reexploring that would help.
05:44:01 <JohnTHaller> Kaspersky was one that wanted all our apps to add to the whitelist (obviously after scanning them first themselves and immediately notifying us of any issues)
05:44:18 <OliverK> anything we do is going to run up the bill
05:44:40 <JohnTHaller> Kaspersky would be free. But will eat up bandwidth release time somewhat
05:44:53 <OliverK> ?
05:44:58 <OliverK> I mean as far as new features
05:45:40 <JohnTHaller> They're gonna scan every file we release and keep a record and copy. But we have to get it to them. They can't pull it from SF, etc. We need to give them an FTP server with a login that they can pull them all from.
05:45:56 <OliverK> ouch
05:46:11 <Kiriko> :x
05:46:32 <JohnTHaller> Yeah. Which means bandwidth in and out and the time to get the files there, which will be easier with my 50M/5M connection.
05:47:05 <OliverK> hey, half.com sent me money :)
05:47:12 <JohnTHaller> Just do a queue directory of all apps released and have it periodically dump them all to FTP
05:47:25 <OliverK> scripting for the win
05:47:45 <JohnTHaller> Yup
05:47:59 <JohnTHaller> I'll kick it off with a button for now (so I can click it when I won't need the internet fully for a while)
05:49:02 <Kiriko> so dose this mean we need another file hosting service?
05:50:07 <JohnTHaller> Nah, will probably use the rs cloud as we do for freeware
05:50:54 <Kiriko> ok
05:54:46 <Kiriko> here is what i had for an e-book but i stopt when all the new apps where added http://www.mediafire.com/file/9xnpprkac6685e1/PortableApps.com%20E-Book.7z
05:56:11 <Kiriko> also we should get are own YouTube channel! :)
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05:58:01 <kiriko_> sorry i got disconnected there for a sec
05:58:27 <JohnTHaller> Hmmm... I may be ablt to turn it into a flipbook for use on a tablet semi-directly
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06:01:35 <Kiriko> i know my e-book its not much :( but its a start
06:02:36 <JohnTHaller> everything starts somewhere
06:04:37 <Kiriko> JohnTHaller: I have benn thinking abot PAD-Kit and I think im only going to continwe the light version, this way all the apps can be kept updated with no problems.
06:05:12 <JohnTHaller> what is the light version?
06:06:35 <Kiriko> the light version is the sam GUI but it dose not need the apps to be included in PAD-Kits folder, it uses the apps just in there original folder by using ..\
06:06:37 <JohnTHaller> i can't really think about it now... sleeping pill kicking in, so I must be of to bed
06:06:47 <Kiriko> LMAO
06:06:59 <JohnTHaller> Unless I'm gonna stay online and get loopy.
06:07:09 <Kiriko> lol
06:07:16 <Kiriko> ok gnight
06:07:37 <JohnTHaller> Dude, we should TOTALLY make the menu PINK. But have everything be different shades of pink. And a Narwhal on it somewhere.
06:09:23 <Kiriko> pink really!! ???
06:09:24 <OliverK> narwahl win
06:09:30 <OliverK> night
06:09:37 <OliverK> totally for paril fools
06:09:40 <OliverK> april*
06:09:41 <JohnTHaller> gnight all
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06:09:49 <JohnTHaller> yeah, we could do that
06:09:49 <Kiriko> gnight
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06:52:26 <TaffinFoxcroft> Hello all, quick question: does anyone still use NISEdit Portable?
06:55:08 <Kiriko> im not sure but i think i can help
06:57:28 <Kiriko> most of us use Notepad++Portable, GvimPortable, and other text/scriptr editing programs
06:57:44 <Kiriko> *script
06:59:05 <Kiriko> TaffinFoxcroft: most of us use Notepad++Portable, GvimPortable, so what is it that you need with?
06:59:41 <TaffinFoxcroft> lol I'm not after help, it's just an app of mine from a long time ago and I was wondering if anyone still uses it :)
06:59:56 <TaffinFoxcroft> Thanks for offering though :P
07:00:20 <Kiriko> lol ok
07:02:06 <Kiriko> do you know if any one els has restarted the original project and i mean by the developer HNIS
07:03:10 <Kiriko> from the this site http://hmne.sf.net/
07:03:25 <TaffinFoxcroft> Nah, it's been dead for the better part of the decade
07:03:58 <TaffinFoxcroft> Its unfortunate, but it's pretty much complete and there's only so much you can do when you've done it all :D
07:05:47 <Kiriko> man that sucks it is a great program but because the original program has bin daed not many ppl use it
07:06:43 <TaffinFoxcroft> Yeah, if someone picks it back up I'll keep on releasing the portable version
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07:40:08 <Kiriko> TaffinFoxcroft: Hey ithink you should update the launcher of NISEdit Portable just in case.
07:40:24 <TaffinFoxcroft> Heh, there's not really a lot to update
07:40:59 <Kiriko> I know but you should update it to work with PAL
07:42:28 <TaffinFoxcroft> Nope, none of my apps use PAL and I don't want them to
07:42:42 <TaffinFoxcroft> They're still 100% compatible with the menu though
07:42:52 <Kiriko> hmm ok
07:44:11 <Kiriko> unfortianate for me i only know how to make a portable app with pal I wish i knew how to make them like you most of you do
07:45:43 <TaffinFoxcroft> :D Don't worry about it, if PAL works for you then you don't need to write your own launchers. I gave PAL a go for MPC-HC and it failed completely so I just kept using my own launcher. Plus I don't really need all those features for an app that simple
07:46:13 <Kiriko> ah ok
08:40:16 <Kiriko> well im out guys, Good nught
08:40:18 <Kiriko> night
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10:27:38 <pa_1527> :D
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11:19:59 <PAc_user> SPAM at portableapps.com/node/26672
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14:20:54 <GizmoBot> Gizmokid2005 is working on KVIrc Portable: http://portableapps.com/node/23424
14:23:05 <dos230> is there a way when using firefox portable with flash plugin installed flash cookies to also stored on the usb or somewhere in the firefox portable directories?
14:24:11 <dos230> Right now they are being stored in the appdata folder of the pc. So this is kind of violation of the portable principles
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14:31:01 <pa_1873> hi
14:31:16 <pa_1873> can any body help me ?
14:31:17 <dos230> sup
14:31:50 <dos230> ask
14:32:10 <pa_1873> Is possible to make my own application in Portableappz program ??
14:32:20 <pa_1873> or by this program i can only download apps ?
14:33:26 <dos230> portableapps is not a program .It is a collection of a programs that are made portable by various people
14:33:59 <pa_1873> ok thnx alot
14:34:00 <pa_1873> cya
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14:36:20 <benedikt93> dos230, not that I know of. One would need to create something like a CommonFiles plugin of Flash. Even in case this worked (/me doubts it), I guess there'd be copyright/license problems with Adobe
14:36:21 <amdzero> is there a separate voodoo kernel?
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14:57:04 <dos230> ok.Thanks
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16:01:06 <groovee> hi all
16:01:25 <groovee> i have a general question abaout portable apps
16:01:30 <groovee> i hope you can help me
16:02:10 <groovee> how "secure" are the portable apps...for example i use firefox portable and it is not up to date
16:02:30 <groovee> and in a normal case i would get infected by a site
16:02:50 <groovee> will this infection stay "inside" the portable app...
16:03:16 <groovee> like on a usb stick...or is it possible that you infect your system over an portable app too?
16:03:28 <groovee> or will the infection only be on the usb stick?
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19:17:42 <Simeon> hi all
19:17:47 <JohnTHaller> hola
19:18:19 <Simeon> hi John. Too bad I missed your discussion yesterday. was sleeping at the time :)
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19:18:46 <JohnTHaller> which one?
19:19:06 <Simeon> about new features and such. Im gonna post my ideas about it though.
19:19:31 <JohnTHaller> Ah ok. I'm thinking of doing an internal mailing from all devs for suggestions that way everybody can talk freer than in the forums
19:20:20 <sar3th> i missed that discussion as well, was it about portableapps in general or related to the platform?
19:20:22 <Simeon> ah
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19:20:40 <JohnTHaller> twas just in general. while I was waiting to get sleepy after finishing work, heh
19:20:42 <Simeon> general page improvment ideas like FAQ/videos
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19:21:48 <JohnTHaller> we'll be adding additional screenshots but not doing user-submitted ones for now, I don't think. May get difficult to maintain/moderate and will add to our bandwidth.
19:22:04 <Simeon> ok.
19:22:05 <JohnTHaller> we'll be doing video demos of apps and posting them to youtube and embedding them in-page
19:22:13 <Simeon> cool
19:22:29 <JohnTHaller> I'm thinking most of support will switch to wiki-style with admins, mods, devs and translators having access
19:22:43 <Simeon> yup
19:22:55 <Simeon> would decrease redundency a lot imho
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19:50:46 <JohnTHaller> Today's new release is up :) http://portableapps.com/news/2011-02-10_-_camstudio_portable_2.0_released
19:54:23 <Simeon> nice.
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20:04:19 <Simeon> gnight guys
20:04:28 <sar3th> good night Simeon
20:04:38 <JohnTHaller> gnight Simeon
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20:12:44 <Gizmokid2005> slowforge is being slow again :(
20:12:53 <Gizmokid2005> only getting 177K/s for GnuCash...of course...
20:14:09 <JohnTHaller> fun fun
20:14:27 <JohnTHaller> I was getting 5M/s last night from the Voxel mirror.
20:14:33 <Gizmokid2005> it's so irritating
20:14:39 <Gizmokid2005> since I can get 3.5M/s consistently...
20:14:53 <Gizmokid2005> ofc I can't tell what mirror is being used
20:15:04 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, no way around that in the updater unfortunately
20:15:10 <Gizmokid2005> yeah :(
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20:34:17 <benedikt93> JohnTHaller, what about heading this one http://portableapps.com/node/21082 to official release? I like that converter pretty much.
20:35:58 <sar3th> XMedia Recode is awesome :D
20:38:46 <JohnTHaller> we'll need to get repackaging permission. we're trying to avoid online installers without permission
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20:45:32 <Kiriko> hi guys! :)
20:45:43 <JohnTHaller> hola
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20:47:02 <Kiriko> JohnTHaller: wow camstudio is out fast out of dev!
20:47:22 <JohnTHaller> It'd been around for a while and we wanted to be able to make use of it for video demos :)
20:48:12 <Kiriko> ah i see you havent slept well then with our conversation lastnight! :)
20:49:04 <JohnTHaller> I'd hoped to release it the other day but the multiple launcher issue needed fixing.
20:51:26 <Kiriko> ah ok, i did notice some odd when i first used it, i tryied to launch multyple launchers and it did not work
20:55:45 <JohnTHaller> alright... late lunch time
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21:23:00 <joe_____> I've tried to download Evince Portable three times. The file size is 0KB
21:24:36 <joe_____> help!
21:24:36 <GizmoBot> joe_____: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
21:24:48 <joe_____> I've tried to download Evince Portable three times. The file size is 0KB
21:27:24 <ZachThibeau> joe_____: sounds like the download is getting cut on your end
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21:32:35 <Kiriko> ZachThibeau: Yea I just did a quick veryfication and it works for me.
21:33:59 <Kiriko> joe_____: did you try using a download manager, like downthemall or something els?
21:35:00 <ZachThibeau> sounds like he just downloaded it through the browser download manager and not anything else
21:38:22 <Kiriko> joe_____: hmm.. can you try and use a nother browser just to verify something.
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21:55:26 <sar3th> probably sourceforge issues
22:02:20 <Kiriko> I don't think that thatswhat happend this time
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23:59:05 <Aciago> hi