IRC Log from 2011-02-12
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00:14:11 <Simeon> hi all
00:14:41 <JohnTHaller> hola
00:15:20 <Simeon> What do I do if an app only has shanish and the platform might be spanishInternational?
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00:15:43 <Simeon> use [LanguageStrings] to map it?
00:15:47 <JohnTHaller> Yup
00:16:05 <JohnTHaller> Same thing for variants of Portuguese
00:16:12 <JohnTHaller> Well, the one variant we support
00:16:48 <Simeon> ok
00:16:52 <Simeon> thats what I thought.
00:17:24 <Simeon> working on PopMan - a bit tricky transition to PAL
00:17:31 <JohnTHaller> How come?
00:18:08 <Simeon> I had the launcher check if Thunderbird exists and then set it as the main EMail proggy so I need custom code
00:19:41 <JohnTHaller> Ah, you don't need to do that. It's fine using the standard mailto for now and 2.0 will introduce mimetype associations
00:20:09 <Simeon> its set in a ini file
00:20:26 <JohnTHaller> In tha app itself? Weird
00:20:40 <Simeon> local version defaults to Outlook. I dunno what happens if the ini entry is blank
00:20:47 <JohnTHaller> Eek
00:21:26 <Simeon> ill get language swirching to work first :)
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00:31:29 <Simeon> Is [LanguageFile] necessary? Or is it to prevent PAL from setting the lang back to default if not launched from the platform?
00:33:29 <JohnTHaller> Correct.
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00:43:50 <Simeon> some apps are weird.
00:44:28 <Simeon> it uses a blank ini pair as default english. so when I go and say read it from the file it gives an error.
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00:49:35 <Simeon> Does anyone know what TrimRight does if there is nothing to trim?
00:49:56 <JohnTHaller> Dunno
00:50:54 <Simeon> argh - then ill do it the hard way.
00:51:13 <JohnTHaller> You can skip it, you know. It's not an absolute requirement to have language switching at the moment.
00:51:23 <Simeon> or that.
00:52:36 <Simeon> it has the default english as a blank ini pair (Translation=) so if %PAL:LanguageCustom% is blank and I have the lang value as Value=%PAL:LanguageCustom%.lng I get a ".lng" which the program cant find.
00:55:17 <JohnTHaller> You could have it defined as English (or whetever the file is) and write to the file in custom code but do everything else in the launcher
00:58:28 <Simeon> nah - just postpone lang switching into the future :)
00:59:15 <Simeon> and if the ini file is empty, it wont throw up an error about the local email proggy which is nice.
01:02:29 <Simeon> Custom PAL code inside Appinfo/Launcher is 2.1 beta only right?
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01:04:54 <JohnTHaller> I believe so yes
01:04:59 <JohnTHaller> You can check the manual to be sure
01:07:30 <Simeon> I think so too - thats enough for now :)
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01:09:53 <Simeon> Is it allowed to have additonal things inthe Appname.ini with PAL?
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01:13:56 <JohnTHaller> no
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01:14:11 <JohnTHaller> if you need to save something addditional you do it to data\settings\appnameportablesettings.ini
01:15:29 <Simeon> I think about making the check for Thunderbird disable-able.
01:16:04 <Simeon> but maybe thats overkill. who would want to use portable PopMan and has portable Thunderbird installed but doesnt want to use the one with the other?
01:17:04 <JohnTHaller> true
01:17:15 <JohnTHaller> though maybe gmail?
01:17:27 <Simeon> gmail?
01:17:40 <JohnTHaller> using popmail to keep an eye on when to open up gmail
01:18:53 <Simeon> PopMan has a button to view the email popman has fetched in the normal email proggy. If I want to open up gmail Ill have to go through my browser which is somethinf PopMan cant handle (i think).
01:19:51 <JohnTHaller> I know. But I mean just monitoring it to know when to open it.
01:20:11 <Simeon> t6hats what the app is for.
01:20:49 <Simeon> I think I misunderstand something here.
01:21:23 <JohnTHaller> It's a systray thing that monitors for new email and lets you know wher ethere is new email right?
01:21:34 <Simeon> its more.
01:21:43 <JohnTHaller> But it does that
01:21:48 <JohnTHaller> And some people may want it just for that
01:22:06 <Simeon> its a small pop/imap email fetcher that can sit in you tray but you can use it to download emails and ever write them.
01:22:34 <JohnTHaller> Ok, so why would someone need TB with that?
01:23:09 <Simeon> if I have it as an alert thinggy, I can see that there is a new email I want to respond to from my real email proggy (thunderbird) and tell PopMan to open the real program.
01:23:28 <JohnTHaller> Or you can just click the Gmail button in your browser
01:23:34 <JohnTHaller> If you're monitoring Gmail
01:23:42 <JohnTHaller> Same thing. Different app/provider
01:23:45 <Simeon> yes
01:24:06 <Simeon> but I dont need thunderbird for opening gmail in my browser
01:24:10 <JohnTHaller> So, there will be people who use it sans TB is what I'm saying. Quite a few, I'd wager
01:24:45 <JohnTHaller> I'm arguing that people will use PopMan *without* Thunderbird.
01:24:51 <Simeon> yes but if I never use it with TB then I dont care if it supports opening emails in TBP
01:25:15 <Simeon> or if it would open them in outlook
01:25:24 <JohnTHaller> The point I'm making is that some people will want it to use TBP and some people won't. So scanning is fine. But don't make TBP required.
01:25:36 <JohnTHaller> That's all I'm saying
01:25:41 <Simeon> it was never required.
01:25:59 <JohnTHaller> Ok. That's all I was saying.
01:26:06 <Simeon> if t5bp isnt there clicking the button to open it in the main email proggy doesnt do anything.
01:26:16 <JohnTHaller> cool
01:26:22 <Simeon> ok so now everything is clear.
01:26:55 <JohnTHaller> Yeah. Keep a note for a future revision where we add a simple URL passer stub launcher to it that the user can config to open gmail, etc.
01:27:18 <JohnTHaller> Basically a simple LaunchWebEmail.exe we keep in the App\LaunchWebMail directory of it. That reads in Data\
01:27:51 <JohnTHaller> setting\LaunchWebMail.ini and all that's in there is the URL.
01:27:54 <Simeon> ah so PopMan thinks its opening an email proggy but its launching FFP with Gmail?
01:27:59 <JohnTHaller> Exactly
01:28:03 <Simeon> ok
01:28:08 <JohnTHaller> Or the user's selected email provider :)
01:28:33 <Simeon> if I get everything right you'll have 2 more options on your release list :)
01:28:56 <JohnTHaller> Put up the dev test and I'll write the stub if you'd like. It's just a few lines of code to get it done.
01:29:28 <Simeon> ok
01:31:09 <Simeon> oh - a new app :)
01:31:16 <JohnTHaller> Oh yeah
01:31:22 <JohnTHaller> Today's new release has been posted: http://portableapps.com/news/2011-02-11_-_nethack_portable_3.4.3_released
01:40:00 <Simeon> Do you know if the GetRoot Macro is built into PAL?
01:40:29 <JohnTHaller> Lemme check the source
01:40:37 <Simeon> thx
01:41:08 <Simeon> no need: I can use %PAL:Drive%
01:41:20 <JohnTHaller> ah right
01:47:14 <Simeon> My CustomCode isnt working :(
01:47:31 <Simeon> could you have a look: http://pastebin.com/2z1dFHid ?
01:48:07 <JohnTHaller> Use LobigLib first of all. Gotos shouldn't be in PAL
01:48:13 <JohnTHaller> (IfFileExists is a goto)
01:48:18 <JohnTHaller> Gimme a sec...
01:49:11 <Simeon> ah
01:50:12 <JohnTHaller> Try this: http://pastebin.com/jmAYtHKw
01:50:54 <Simeon> You even kept my debugging stuff...:)
01:51:07 <JohnTHaller> I figured you'd want to test it. I added a No! :)
01:51:48 <JohnTHaller> And we're using the PAL:PortableAppsDir environment variable so it'll work if they don't have the PortableApps directory right in root as well
01:52:58 <Simeon> nice
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01:58:09 <Simeon> doesnt work. When do the env vars get passed?
01:58:19 <Simeon> i think I have to put it later in the process
01:58:21 <JohnTHaller> I don't know
01:58:26 <JohnTHaller> Maybe Pre isn't the right place
01:58:33 <JohnTHaller> I don't know the segment stuff
01:58:40 <JohnTHaller> Manual time !
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02:07:33 <Simeon> hm. Something is weird here. It doesnt work. Ill drop it for now.
02:14:05 <JohnTHaller> I started working on this for when people ask about PA.c Format and PA.c Installers: http://portableapps.com/about/what_is_a_portable_app#whypaf Thoughts?
02:15:18 <Simeon> Nice. "20% saving" compared to what?
02:15:22 <JohnTHaller> Zip
02:15:34 <Simeon> I know but I think the text should say it too
02:16:23 <JohnTHaller> done
02:17:27 <Simeon> maybe add something clearly stating that our installer dont touch the system?
02:19:47 <Simeon> brb - gotta boot into linux to upload my releases.
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02:29:46 <JohnTHaller> I updated the page: http://portableapps.com/about/what_is_a_portable_app#whypaf
02:30:03 <Kiriko> cool
02:30:23 <Simeon> better
02:30:36 <JohnTHaller> I rearranged the sections a bit, too
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02:38:39 <ChrisMorgan> Simeon: (a) TrimRight checks that it ends with the thing first and skips trimming it if it doesn't match (that's why it's not just a "trim N characters" number); (b) you can introduce more options in AppNamePortable.ini; see the docs about custom code (I think it's ${ReadUserConfig} in 2.1)
02:39:12 <Simeon> I skipped it but thanks anyhow Chris
02:39:31 <ChrisMorgan> As for the custom code, those strings can't include environment variables; you need to parse them separately.
02:39:40 <Simeon> ok
02:39:57 <Simeon> readenvstringwithdfault?
02:40:16 <ChrisMorgan> Put it into a string and use ${ParseLocations} $var
02:40:39 <Simeon> ah
02:41:02 <ChrisMorgan> ${ParseLocations} is just a debugging-enabling wrapper around ExpandEnvStrings, which you can use directly if you want
02:41:30 <Simeon> maybe later
02:42:37 <ChrisMorgan> http://pastebin.com/bgwjUCYA
02:42:53 <ChrisMorgan> Note I've also changed Pre to PrePrimary - don't want to do it for secondary launches.
02:43:57 <ChrisMorgan> Lunch time now, back after that for more questions, answers, etc.
02:44:23 <Simeon> I wont be here then hopefully
02:44:42 <Kiriko> JohnTHAller: I like what you did with "What is a portable app?" it is more simple and easy to understand. :)
02:45:19 <JohnTHaller> The new bit I justed Added? (Why PA.c Format...)
02:45:34 <Kiriko> yeap!
02:46:40 <JohnTHaller> Thanks. I added it so we can reference it whenever someone asks why we use launchers or use the installer, etc
02:46:51 <Kiriko> I like many other have a lot of people that ask me why PA.c and I tell them, but now Ill be sending them there
02:49:02 <JohnTHaller> Just changed it to 20-30% savings. LibreOffice is actually a 34.6% reduction in size PA.c Installer vs Zip.
02:49:42 <Simeon> wow
02:49:45 <Kiriko> yea i noticed that
02:49:55 <Simeon> I just put a couple more on your release list John :)
02:50:01 <JohnTHaller> Cool
02:51:03 <JohnTHaller> How is jpegview?
02:52:49 <Simeon> small jpeg viewer with some immage processing
02:53:00 <JohnTHaller> I know... I mean how is it as an app. You like it?
02:53:56 <ZachThibeau> hey John :D
02:54:01 <Simeon> clean - nice fullscreen mode.fast. never used it much though.
02:54:14 <Simeon> the dev keeps adding new features
02:55:14 <JohnTHaller> hi ZachThibeau
02:55:27 <ZachThibeau> finally got my new mic today
02:55:27 <JohnTHaller> cool, Simeon. sounds like a good release candidate
02:55:43 <Simeon> nice
02:58:03 <Simeon> gotta go - Thanks for all the help John and have a nice day everyone!
02:58:12 <JohnTHaller> Have a good one Simeon
02:59:13 <ZachThibeau> http://zachthibeau.com/pictures/mic.png :D
02:59:25 <JohnTHaller> nice
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03:00:05 <ZachThibeau> quality is pretty good, came with Sonar LE too
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03:43:19 <JohnTHaller> ok, dinner time... have good one all
03:43:50 <Kiriko> ok take care :)
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04:29:43 <ChrisMorgan> Kiriko: is there anyway you can get rid of those sorts of messages from your client? They're a pest.
04:30:55 <Kiriko> are you talking about the away message?
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04:35:45 <ChrisMorgan> Yep.
04:36:00 <Kiriko> I think i did let me see
04:36:45 <Kiriko> did that sow up this time?
04:48:30 <ChrisMorgan> ?
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07:28:52 <Kiriko> ChrisMorgan: hey I was wondering if you had any pointers for me to improve PA.c Developers Kit (PAD-Kit)
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08:37:45 <taneth111> Hello all
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13:04:02 <browner> Are you there?
13:04:27 <browner> ZachThibeau
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13:25:19 <PAc_user> browner: need any help? If so, it's always best to ask your question first. Don't ask to ask, just ask your question and if anyone can, they will help you
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13:29:54 <browner> What do you think about an XMPP chat room? http://www.portablefreeware.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=31066#p31066
13:30:00 <browner> Sounds good to me
13:30:52 <sar3th> what do you mean browner
13:31:06 <browner> Read it ;)
13:31:16 <sar3th> i know what xmpp / xmpp chatrooms are, but how is it related to portableapps?
13:31:58 <browner> Here http://www.portablefreeware.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=31067#p31067
13:32:25 <browner> XMPP room in addition to the current
13:33:09 <PAc_user> Why?
13:33:45 <browner> Many reasons
13:34:09 <PAc_user> I love this spartan conversation :p
13:36:24 <browner> When you enter to a Jabber chat room the last X lines (what the admin defined) are popping up
13:36:24 <browner> I'm using my Jabber account, not depended no the IRC
13:36:24 <browner> Formatting is possible
13:36:24 <browner> Avatars :)
13:36:56 <browner> on the IRC server (freenode)
13:37:12 <sar3th> browner: i assume #portableapps is mode +c for a reason (hint: it disables colors and other text markup)
13:37:45 <browner> It can be installed at http://portableapps.com/ and http://www.portablefreeware.com/
13:38:44 <browner> You can disable formatting, if you want
13:39:31 <PAc_user> browner: I think this is supposed to be a support channel, not much needed there except ease of use to anyone needing help, and as simple an interface as it can be
13:39:59 <PAc_user> In other words, this is just find for it's purpose
13:40:16 <PAc_user> *fine for it's purpose
13:40:27 <browner> ok
13:41:11 <PAc_user> Gotta go, lunch time. Bye :)
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21:05:59 <pa_5928> I'm having an issue with latest Chrome ver 9.0.597.98 stable. If I try to download new program from PApps, in the lower left corner it says waiting for sourceforge, then changes to waiting for a.fsdn.com and then hangs there. The other thing I've noticed is that when I close the program, it still leaves one instance of Chrome.exe running in Task Manager along with the launcher. Soon as I end chrome.exe then the launcher closes.
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21:20:15 <pa_5928> I posted a note and then saw comments about palogbot logging in and out . Did anyone see my comment about latest stable version of Chrome?
21:22:56 <benedikt93> yes, but I cannot help you on this; so you'd be best waiting a bit for others to read your question. :)
21:24:29 <pa_5928> Thanks, I just wanted to mame sure my post did't disappear.
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