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00:37:24 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: How do you access all the environment variables within custom code again? I can't recall and it doesn't seem to be in the manual
00:37:41 <Guest95427> Hey JohnTHaller :D
00:37:51 <JohnTHaller> hi Guest95427
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00:38:00 <mrmcpowned> :)
00:38:06 <ChrisMorgan> There's the NSIS command ExpandEnvStrings and my own ${ParseLocations} which ended up being just a debug-wrapped ExpandEnvStrings.
00:39:19 <JohnTHaller> Preferred way would be ${ParseLocations} right?
00:39:27 <JohnTHaller> 2.1 Beta 2 and onward I mean
00:40:03 <ChrisMorgan> I think I'll probably be throwing away ${ParseLocations} at some point now that it serves so little purpose. I'd recommend ExpandEnvStrings, I think
00:40:19 <mrmcpowned> JohnTHaller: I take it youre portabalizing today's app?
00:40:31 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: That works with stuff like :ForwardSlash right?
00:40:41 <ChrisMorgan> Yep, it's the full environment variable parser.
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00:42:55 <JohnTHaller> mrmcpowned: I am indeed
00:43:04 <mrmcpowned> :D
00:43:21 <mrmcpowned> Would be nice to run a portable minecraft
00:43:41 <mrmcpowned> Sadly the files arent open source (yet)
00:43:42 <WifiWombat> .g minecraft portable site:portableapps.com
00:43:42 <GizmoBot> WifiWombat: http://portableapps.com/node/25222
00:43:45 <WifiWombat> .title
00:43:47 <GizmoBot> WifiWombat: Minecraft Portable | PortableApps.com - Portable software for USB, portable and cloud drives
00:43:56 <WifiWombat> mrmcpowned: no, but you can make a launcher ^^
00:44:06 <JohnTHaller> I doubt Minecraft will be open sourced. The author is making money hand over fist with it.
00:44:15 <mrmcpowned> Lol, kinda beats the point if i cant take my information with me xD
00:44:18 <WifiWombat> JohnTHaller: evenutally public domain
00:44:23 <mrmcpowned> yeah
00:44:27 <WifiWombat> that's what he says
00:44:32 <mrmcpowned> Read the guidlines page :P
00:44:47 <mrmcpowned> WifiWombat: When it's popularity dies though
00:44:48 <WifiWombat> but, yeah, IDK
00:44:52 <WifiWombat> indeed
00:45:09 <WifiWombat> I don't care. I paid the 15 for it, but I wouldn't pay 30 for it
00:45:46 <mrmcpowned> lol
00:45:51 <mrmcpowned> i ended up paying 20
00:45:58 <JohnTHaller> And he never responded to my inquiry about making it portable either
00:46:01 <mrmcpowned> 15Euro isnt $15:P
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00:46:14 <WifiWombat> i don't know what it was, I got it in alpha
00:46:24 <mrmcpowned> JohnTHaller: He wont allow that yet because it requires source files he wont distribute
00:46:34 <JohnTHaller> It does NOT require source files
00:46:35 <WifiWombat> java fails
00:46:53 <WifiWombat> mrmcpowned: it would use the launcher, which you have to login with
00:46:59 <mrmcpowned> JohnTHaller: What about saving preferences that are stored in %appdata%?
00:47:01 <JohnTHaller> You can make an app portable without including the source, in PA.c Format, and list it on PA.c.
00:47:15 <WifiWombat> then, after you've logged in it gets the "sources"
00:47:18 <WifiWombat> move them
00:47:21 <WifiWombat> back and forth
00:47:25 <mrmcpowned> :\
00:47:29 <WifiWombat> or, if he's nice a data directory
00:47:30 <JohnTHaller> We portablize it like we do everything else. You don't think we modify all these apps.
00:47:34 <mrmcpowned> Defeats teh portable concept
00:47:44 <WifiWombat> not really
00:47:52 <JohnTHaller> Lots of apps move things in and out of APPDATA or the registry.
00:47:53 <WifiWombat> its "dirty portable" IMO
00:47:59 <WifiWombat> but it IS portable
00:48:04 <JohnTHaller> That includes Firefox, Opera, Chrome, etc
00:48:05 <mrmcpowned> Meh
00:48:27 <sar3th> erm, guys
00:48:30 <mrmcpowned> WifiWombat: Thought you men manually though, lol
00:48:36 <sar3th> the launcher in http://portableapps.com/node/25222 does a normal appdata redirect
00:48:38 <sar3th> works fine
00:48:41 <JohnTHaller> mrmcpowned: It's all automated.
00:48:43 <WifiWombat> orly? Nice
00:48:44 <sar3th> no need to move anythign :)
00:48:52 <mrmcpowned> Lol, nice
00:48:54 <WifiWombat> sar3th: that's epic
00:49:17 <mrmcpowned> I dont know if having no replies to my chatzill poertable thread is a good or bad thing
00:49:24 <mrmcpowned> chatzilla*
00:49:31 <mrmcpowned> portable*
00:49:32 <WifiWombat> depends on how many downloads you have
00:49:39 <mrmcpowned> We got two mirrors
00:49:45 <mrmcpowned> one on MF and another hosted by me
00:50:01 <mrmcpowned> i know how many downloads on my end, kiriko knows the rest
00:50:10 <mrmcpowned> Lasti heard it was like 17
00:50:15 <mrmcpowned> and 12 on my end
00:51:55 <mrmcpowned> Anyway, some feedback would make feel somewhat reassuring.
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00:52:51 <pa_0054> Hey there.
00:53:21 <WifiWombat> evening
00:53:22 <agdurrette|food> hi
00:53:52 <agdurrette|food> How may we help you?
00:53:54 <pa_0054> GnuCash... 2.4.2 is what PortableApps has, but there is a 2.4.3 on the GnuCash website. Thought I should let John know... if he is here.
00:54:08 <WifiWombat> sure he is, right over there
00:54:30 <pa_0054> Also, the GnuCash is saving everything to my laptop MyDocuments folder. How do I make it save to the flashdrive?
00:54:36 <WifiWombat> and we know, I just don't know if we have a developer for that app or not
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00:56:17 <pa_0054> Okay, just making sure you knew. But what about GnuCash saving everything to the PC and not the flashdrive?
00:56:59 <WifiWombat> that I cannot answer for you
00:57:13 <WifiWombat> are you running through the menu?
00:58:03 <pa_0054> I am running GnuCash 2.4.2 from my flashdrive, using the 2.0 Beta 5
00:58:13 <WifiWombat> k
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01:19:24 <JohnTHaller> for GnuCash, just select "Save As" and save it somewhere on your flash drive (X:\Documents for example). it'll rememver and adjust it as you move PCs.
01:19:52 <JohnTHaller> It just defaults to the local PC My Documents (like many apps do, with no way to alter that) but doesn't save anything there unless you tell it to.
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01:21:27 <mrmcpowned> Hmm, how can i made my backgrounded div linkable..
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01:24:02 <WifiWombat> post a <div id="something">whatever</div>
01:26:15 <mrmcpowned> Yeah, but i want it anchroed
01:26:21 <mrmcpowned> It already has a background
01:26:34 <WifiWombat> dur, I did that wrong
01:26:36 <WifiWombat> can
01:26:52 <WifiWombat> can't you just stuff a normal anchor in the div?
01:26:56 <mrmcpowned> I mean, litteraly anchor the div without anchoring the dib
01:27:04 <mrmcpowned> div*
01:27:08 <WifiWombat> idk
01:27:23 <mrmcpowned> I think ican do it with padding, tho im not sure tho
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01:33:30 <mrmcpowned> lol
01:41:03 <mrmcpowned> Epic win! http://mrmcpowned.com
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05:20:52 <GordCaswell> Scribus-ng Portable 1.4.0.rc1 Dev Test 3 uploaded: http://portableapps.com/node/26234 This fixes, as far as I can tell, all issues raised so far, the only thing remaining is upgrade paths from previous versions.
05:30:08 <GordCaswell> oh, how sad, no voice anymore...
05:54:33 <JohnTHaller> (sadly, I don't know how to do that permanently)
05:54:59 <GordCaswell> no problem, John, I'm sure someone will figure it out eventually
06:01:01 <GordCaswell> @JohnTHaller: check pages 4-5: http://www.scribd.com/doc/2892558/freenode-irc-chanserv-help I think that'll do it
06:05:40 <JohnTHaller> tried several ways, all invalid command
06:05:49 <JohnTHaller> I hate that every IRC server has to implement it all differently
06:06:34 <GordCaswell> yeah, it's pretty weird. you'd think they'd all be the same, but of ocurse not.
06:07:21 <JohnTHaller> Think I have the syntax, but "(notice) You are not authorized to perform this command."
06:07:48 <GordCaswell> maybe you need to identify yourself to chanserv first?
06:08:07 <JohnTHaller> ALready am
06:13:20 <GordCaswell> try this: I'm not authorized to execute this command: ACCESS #portableapps ADD GordCaswell VOICE
06:14:30 <JohnTHaller> Think I got it. We have templates for use with that command.
06:15:26 <GordCaswell> K. It was the only thing I could get chanserv to tell me
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06:19:50 <GordCaswell> That's it for me tonight. Have a good one, all!
06:20:21 <JohnTHaller> gnight
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06:34:23 <JohnTHaller> Today's new app is up: http://portableapps.com/news/2011-03-01_-_swi-prolog_portable_5.10.2_released
06:34:33 <JohnTHaller> I'm still debating an appropriate sub-category for it, though
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06:52:46 <auscompgeek> Leave it as it is, under Programming.
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08:52:04 <pa_3203> Hello
08:52:49 <pa_3203> Bye
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09:18:08 <Fragglechen> Hi there
09:20:57 <Fragglechen> I have a problem with Notepad++ Portable. If i try to use it on 64 Bit Systems Like Windows 2008 Server 64 Bit i see the Startscreen of Notepad++ but it is not really started. The Processes are there in Taskmanager but i can't see Notepad++ Window
09:21:12 <Fragglechen> Does anybody has some ideas for me?
09:53:22 <Fragglechen> Other question. is anybody here or all afk? :-)
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11:52:27 <pa_3199> Hi all,
11:53:01 <pa_3199> I have installed portable apps on a Sandisk 16 Gb Cruzer formated as NTFS.
11:53:14 <pa_3199> But all apps are incredibaly slow.....
11:53:35 <pa_3199> Should I reformat or choose another file system.
12:25:46 <AlleyKat> pa_3199: you could try running CrystalDiskMarks
12:27:06 <AlleyKat> then reformat and see what works best
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13:34:44 <Fragglechen> I have a problem with Notepad++ Portable. If i try to use it on 64 Bit Systems Like Windows 2008 Server 64 Bit i see the Startscreen of Notepad++ but it is not really started. The Processes are there in Taskmanager but i can't see Notepad++ Window
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20:25:42 <DannyMuniz> dose any one know how to make a NSIS multy software installer
20:27:36 <DannyMuniz> ?
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21:47:41 <ChrisMorgan> Success :-)
21:48:00 <ChrisMorgan> And logging properly, too. Goodie.
21:48:18 <ChrisMorgan> cmlogbot: uri
21:48:19 <cmlogbot> http://portableapps.chrismorgan.info/irc/logs?t=2011-03-02#T21-48-18
21:53:14 <ChrisMorgan> And it does automatically terminate if it's already connected, so I can just set up a cron job and forget about it.
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21:54:47 <ChrisMorgan> Good, auth worked too :-)
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21:55:26 <gluxon> ChrisMorgan: Setting up the new log bot?
21:55:30 <ChrisMorgan> Yep
21:55:47 <ChrisMorgan> Or rather, just switching hosts.
21:56:11 <gluxon> A user before suggested that there should be a command to not the line. Perhaps something like this?
21:56:18 <gluxon> nolog: myemail@email.com
21:56:35 <gluxon> *to not log a line..
21:57:04 <ChrisMorgan> Not doing that.
21:58:04 <gluxon> Reason why?
21:58:46 <ChrisMorgan> Could be abused; also the log is intended to be complete.
22:00:02 <ChrisMorgan> If they want things like that, that's generally what PM is for.
22:00:35 <ChrisMorgan> The people most likely to "offend" in that way are unlikely to know about it, anyway, reducing its usefulness to almost nil.
22:01:11 <sar3th> the same applies to abusers too
22:01:23 <sar3th> regular users would know eventually
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22:07:22 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: what do you think?
22:08:03 <gluxon> So, are we really renaming him to cmlogbot? :'(
22:08:48 <ChrisMorgan> gluxon: no, it'll go back to palogbot, just while palogbot is finishing its service it'll be cmlogbot so I can run it.
22:10:25 <gluxon> :)
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22:11:43 <ChrisMorgan> Anyone got any opinions on whether or not there should be a way to not log a line?
22:13:19 <sar3th> well, tbh, i think it wouldn't hurt to have one - if it really is abused, there is always the option to turn it off
22:13:52 <ChrisMorgan> What about the syntax?
22:14:46 <sar3th> hm, i suggest an @@-prefix to hinder logging of the current line
22:15:15 <sar3th> pastebin uses @@ for highlighting, and it's fairly easy to remember
22:18:38 <ChrisMorgan> Yep, we've had "@@" occur seven times in the history of this channel's logs (before just now), but never at the start of a line, so that'll do well.
22:18:55 <sar3th> :)
22:18:57 <ChrisMorgan> Line of code added to loggy.py to take care of this case.
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22:33:08 <ChrisMorgan> I applied a half-second delay between auth and join as well, to get rid of the "changing host" nuisance
22:33:22 <sar3th> that's nice
22:33:27 <ChrisMorgan> cmlogbot: uri
22:33:27 <cmlogbot> http://portableapps.chrismorgan.info/irc/logs?t=2011-03-02#T22-33-27
22:33:32 <ChrisMorgan> @@ you won't see this line
22:33:44 <ChrisMorgan> In theory, anyway :-(
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22:34:31 <ChrisMorgan> @@ Now we'll try again
22:34:39 <ChrisMorgan> Still not doing it :-(
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22:35:14 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm, the half second wasn't enough that time.
22:35:28 <ChrisMorgan> Ah, I see, line is <username> @@ foo
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22:36:51 <ChrisMorgan> @@ OK, that should do it
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22:36:58 <ChrisMorgan> *sob*
22:37:36 <Gizmokid2005> ChrisMorgan: ...why are you even adding yet another bot to this room/
22:37:37 <Gizmokid2005> *?
22:38:02 <ChrisMorgan> Gizmokid2005: because Patrick's shutting nascent-project down, I'm taking over palogbot.
22:38:12 <mrmcpowned> D:
22:38:20 <DannyMuniz> :(
22:38:21 <Gizmokid2005> ..allllrighty then.
22:38:43 <mrmcpowned> ChrisMorgan: What does renaming teh bot accomplish :\
22:39:44 <ChrisMorgan> mrmcpowned: it's not being renamed. I just need to be able to test it while the existing palogbot is up.
22:39:56 <mrmcpowned> Ah
22:40:06 <DannyMuniz> that makes perfect sence :)
22:40:17 <mrmcpowned> Wheres it logging to though?
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22:41:08 <ChrisMorgan> One second still wasn't enough that time... madness.
22:41:17 <ChrisMorgan> @@ Hopefully this line won't get into the logs
22:41:30 <ChrisMorgan> Good. The previous line didn't get logged.
22:41:38 <mrmcpowned> :D
22:41:40 <mrmcpowned> Hooray
22:41:41 <ChrisMorgan> cmlogbot: uri
22:41:41 <cmlogbot> http://portableapps.chrismorgan.info/irc/logs?t=2011-03-02#T22-41-41
22:41:45 <mrmcpowned> You implmented that feature xD
22:42:16 <mrmcpowned> I take it cmlogbot is a modified version of palogbot?
22:43:46 <ChrisMorgan> mrmcpowned: it's palogbot except I just added a couple of bits of code: one to delay join till auth is finished (in theory - just bumped it up to 2 seconds and we'll see if it works this time) and the other is this @@ don't-log-this-line business
22:44:01 <mrmcpowned> :)
22:44:11 <mrmcpowned> its been needing non log line
22:44:29 <sar3th> how so?
22:44:49 <mrmcpowned> Makes it convenient to not log tedious things
22:44:52 <mrmcpowned> like url's
22:45:03 <mrmcpowned> :)
22:45:06 <ChrisMorgan> mrmcpowned: you should not use it normally. Only for sensitive data.
22:45:11 <sar3th> ^
22:45:14 <ChrisMorgan> Which you still shouldn't tend to put.
22:45:16 <mrmcpowned> :)
22:45:23 <mrmcpowned> lol
22:45:59 <DannyMuniz> yea but we had had ppl putting e-mails and other sort of info here latly
22:46:13 <DannyMuniz> so it is convinient to have
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23:25:47 <ChrisMorgan> Got to go to Uni now, I'll finish sorting the bot out later.
23:26:09 <DannyMuniz> k
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23:29:02 <noticed> new version of firefox came out is portableapps updating it? normally see coming out imeditely and this time is taking some time
23:29:39 <ChrisMorgan> noticed: which version do you mean?
23:29:57 <noticed> 3.6.14
23:30:16 <ChrisMorgan> See http://portableapps.com/node/19705
23:30:53 <gluxon> Hm.. I should update AkelPad.
23:31:01 <gluxon> Forgot about it.. :P
23:31:45 <noticed> i like a lot you guys
23:32:07 <noticed> pretty nice to have it portable
23:32:48 <noticed> never saw this board of updates sorry
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23:42:55 <zwr> thanks a lot, now i have firefox 3.6.14, im very happy now
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