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00:33:53 <GordCaswell> .seen JohnTHaller
00:33:53 <GizmoBot> GordCaswell: I last saw johnthaller at 2011-03-02 06:35:40 UTC on #portableapps
00:34:03 <GordCaswell> .time
00:34:12 <GordCaswell> .t
00:34:12 <GizmoBot> Thu, 03 Mar 2011 00:35:22 GMT
00:34:37 <gluxon> GordCaswell: Hm.. do you know if developers can post updates to their apps on the homepage without consent from John or Chris?
00:35:36 <GordCaswell> I'm too new as a dev to say. I'd say probably not, but drop John a line at the developer email, and he can tell you for sure.
00:35:54 <GordCaswell> Although once the new app directory is live, that could very well change
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00:36:16 <pa_6797> por que não conecta o ares ?
00:36:29 <gluxon> GordCaswell: Oh wait, nevermind, I can't upload to SF.net anyway. Forgot about that :P
00:37:15 <pa_6797> como faço pra conectar o ares portable ??
00:37:48 <gluxon> pa_6797: Es en el desarrollo
00:38:19 <gluxon> Ares Galaxy o Ares Mod?
00:39:01 <pa_6797> where is?
00:41:20 <GordCaswell> http://portableapps.com/node/23805
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01:37:03 <[> I went to portableapps.com and have choosen the Standard Downloaded on a HP Portable Drive 500G. Can I Intalled Microsoft Money on the HP Portable so that I can worked on it at work where my PC is not Installed with Microsoft Money. Thanks.
01:37:55 <[> PLEASE REPLY
01:38:21 <gluxon> [: Afraid not.
01:38:37 <gluxon> Have you tried GnuCash?
01:38:50 <[> NO
01:39:01 <[> WHAT THAT PLS
01:39:02 <gluxon> [: Microsoft licenses forbid us to publish their apps as Portable.
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01:39:34 <[> THANKS.
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01:39:46 <gluxon> http://portableapps.com/apps/office/gnucash_portable
01:39:54 <gluxon> If you don't like that, there's also Money Manager Ex
01:39:59 <gluxon> http://portableapps.com/apps/office/money_manager_ex_portable
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04:14:36 <ChrisMorgan> Good, connected...
04:14:46 <ChrisMorgan> @@ line ignored
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04:15:25 <ChrisMorgan> And killed cleanly. Good.
04:18:47 <ChrisMorgan> â Little known fact about palogbot: lines starting with â will not be logged
04:19:35 <ChrisMorgan> In theory. That one was. Probably encoding issue in palogbot seeing as the string was declared without the file encoding being properly marked.
04:20:57 <JohnTHaller> weird
04:21:20 <JohnTHaller> Ridiculous directory encoding: http://pastebin.com/1HmUkpAY
04:21:40 <mrmcpowned> lol
04:31:59 <BenedictOfAmber> ChrisMorgan: should put in a regex for email adresses
04:32:19 <ChrisMorgan> BenedictOfAmber: I *don't* want to do that.
04:32:51 <BenedictOfAmber> heh
04:32:53 <BenedictOfAmber> fine
04:32:59 <BenedictOfAmber> doesn't matter to me :p
04:33:10 <BenedictOfAmber> ^ that has to sound worse then I intend
04:33:45 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: you're doing Mnemosyne? I did it quite some time ago but never quite released it. Of course, at that point I didn't do partial directory updating.
04:34:10 <JohnTHaller> Yup. I know. It uses its own format, so I had to custom code the replacement.
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05:14:43 <JohnTHaller> Almost forgot, today's new release is up: http://portableapps.com/news/2011-03-02_-_mnemosyne_portable_1.2.2_released
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06:30:38 <leguin.freenode.net> Topic for #portableapps is: Welcome to the PortableApps.com support channel. If you need assistance, just say "help!", or ask your question, and WAIT rather than just leaving. | Please don't PM without asking first | This channel is logged: http://nascent-project.org/irc/logs | The #PortableApps IRC rules are here: http://gizmokid2005.com/paircrules Read and abide by them
06:30:38 <leguin.freenode.net> Users on #portableapps: palogbot PatrickPatience @ChrisMorgan @JohnTHaller sar3th|away Zarggg mrmcpowned Fragglechen Bensawsome KindOne1 +GizmoBot @Gizmokid2005 Suiseiseki auscompgeek dbdii407 marlop z3uS @MaienM_ @ZachThibeau ronjn alyx SrgSiler|AFK
06:30:38 <MaienM_> Auto-Message: palogbot has been restarted.
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06:30:59 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm. Two second lag still not enough sometimes... silly stuff.
06:31:55 <PatrickPatience> Where are your logs located, Chris?
06:31:58 <PatrickPatience> They live yet?
06:31:59 <ChrisMorgan> palogbot: uri
06:31:59 <palogbot> http://portableapps.chrismorgan.info/irc/logs?t=2011-03-03#T06-31-59
06:32:41 <PatrickPatience> Next task: Log categorization!
06:32:44 <ChrisMorgan> PatrickPatience: -dev and -meta can go the same way, they're ready to be replaced too
06:32:51 <PatrickPatience> Oh right those guys.
06:33:00 <PatrickPatience> Let me go kill some more random processes.
06:33:23 <ChrisMorgan> ``ps -o pid,command -u myusername`` is useful
06:35:06 <PatrickPatience> Aaaaand that should just about do it.
06:37:05 <ChrisMorgan> All up and running.
06:39:04 <PatrickPatience> Stellar.
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06:41:07 <PatrickPatience> ChrisMorgan: I'll have the dev and meta logs to you shortly.
06:41:42 <ChrisMorgan> PatrickPatience: it's just the logs for the last day which are required, what you sent me included dev and meta logs
06:41:57 <PatrickPatience> Oh right.
06:42:00 <PatrickPatience> I bundled them all up.
06:42:48 <ChrisMorgan> Yep
06:44:39 <PatrickPatience> ChrisMorgan: http://ptrckp.at/zqby
06:45:10 <ChrisMorgan> #portableapps logs?
06:45:25 <PatrickPatience> Should be -dev and -meta.
06:45:38 <PatrickPatience> palogbot: uri
06:45:38 <palogbot> http://portableapps.chrismorgan.info/irc/logs?t=2011-03-03#T06-45-38
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06:47:56 <pa_8162> good morning
06:48:57 <pa_8162> Is there someone responsible for german miranda portable page?
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06:51:23 <ChrisMorgan> pa_8162: what do you want done?
06:55:03 <pa_8162> I have seen that in the german miranda portable page for the configuration of miranda portable live there is several times GIMP portable instead of miranda portable. Just a remark myself for correcting
06:55:16 <pa_8162> help!
06:55:17 <GizmoBot> pa_8162: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
06:57:21 <pa_8162> it's long time ago that I have used irc ... just have to remember the commands
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07:10:16 <Kuranis> Thanks. bye
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09:54:17 <ChrisMorgan> .def palogbot
09:54:17 <GizmoBot> ChrisMorgan: Sorry, but I don't know about palogbot
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10:32:06 <auscompgeek> ;o
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12:14:04 <AlleyKat> new Miranda IM is out :)
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15:49:18 <pa_9820> hello!)
15:51:40 <pa_9820> Is there any place where I can download this apps packed in .zip, .7z, .rar, not exe?
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15:57:06 <pa_9820> Ok, I will see the answer in the nascent-project log then)))
15:57:54 <benedikt93> pa_9820, no, there isn't
15:58:33 <pa_9820> bad, not suitable for making install from Linux without Wine
15:58:34 <benedikt93> the installer does actually only decompress files and not in any other ways 'install' something on your PC
15:59:19 <pa_9820> some suites have zip versions...
15:59:20 <benedikt93> it is in some cases needed to setup the apps properly to be run from the specific folder it is installed to
15:59:39 <benedikt93> also does it allow for better compression (using LZMA)
15:59:47 <benedikt93> some suites might work different
15:59:52 <pa_9820> thx
16:00:05 <benedikt93> this is the way PA.c ensures proper portability
16:00:42 <pa_9820> yea, I read news sometimes
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21:12:52 <BenedictOfAmber> afternoon folks
21:13:17 <JohnTHaller> hola
21:13:28 <BenedictOfAmber> hola
21:13:45 <BenedictOfAmber> hey, who's voicing wasn't workiing right? Did you get that fixed?
21:14:04 <BenedictOfAmber> I remember seeing something in the logs :/
21:14:06 <JohnTHaller> Can't recall. Yes, fixed.
21:14:10 <BenedictOfAmber> k
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21:36:37 <JohnTHaller> Messy time picking an app today. Started with Mixxx, but it's unstable and hangs on exit. Then tried Clementine but it has a TCP leak and takes all available TCP connections.
21:37:21 <BenedictOfAmber> hmm, have a list?
21:38:00 <JohnTHaller> I did gPodder instead. I'd been kicking it around for months when I was testing out some python portablization techniques.
21:38:16 <BenedictOfAmber> cool
21:38:22 <BenedictOfAmber> gPodder is very nice
21:38:54 <JohnTHaller> It was pretty messy getting it portable. Ask ChrisMorgan. It's uncompiled Python.
21:39:13 <BenedictOfAmber> yeah
21:39:20 <BenedictOfAmber> I don't like python much
21:39:38 * ChrisMorgan feels he must stick up for Python
21:39:51 <BenedictOfAmber> python doesn't listen to su commands
21:39:59 <BenedictOfAmber> su - username python whatever and it fails
21:40:10 <BenedictOfAmber> gets the enviromentals all screwed up
21:40:19 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: Wait til you see the portablization of this bad boy.
21:40:43 <JohnTHaller> http://pastebin.com/u766ArBZ
21:40:46 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: what in particular? The production of an executable with py2exe or other stuff?
21:41:11 <JohnTHaller> Nope. It's using raw pythonw.
21:41:17 <sar3th> at least, python doesn't claim to be a "virtual machine" ;)
21:41:27 <BenedictOfAmber> haha
21:41:29 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: why not py2exe?
21:41:35 <BenedictOfAmber> the only thing worse then python, java
21:41:36 <ChrisMorgan> [Environment]:PATH=.\bin;-LIBGCCW32-EH-3-SJLJ-GTHR-MINGW32 !?
21:41:50 <JohnTHaller> That's what gpodder.exe sets
21:41:53 <ChrisMorgan> BenedictOfAmber: I assure you there are many things worse than Python.
21:42:13 <BenedictOfAmber> yeah
21:42:17 <BenedictOfAmber> like java :)
21:42:26 <ChrisMorgan> That's just one of them.
21:42:31 <JohnTHaller> And I renamed pythonw.exe so that we could trap it exclusively for gPodder without interfering with any other python instances. It works pretty well if I say so myself.
21:42:45 <BenedictOfAmber> nice
21:43:11 <JohnTHaller> I even implemented language switching on the LANG env var and have the installer set it via custom code for non-platform folks.
21:43:14 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: well, it's no worse than most Java apps... even if it's the ugliest distribution of a Python app that I've ever seen. And definitely not the recommended way of doing it.
21:43:34 <JohnTHaller> It's the way gPodder itself distributes it. I'm guessing they don't know how to do py2exe
21:44:02 <ChrisMorgan> They clearly need to learn before trying to pass their software off as Windows-compatible.
21:44:52 <BenedictOfAmber> ChrisMorgan: just because it isn't pretty doesn't make it windows incompatible
21:45:05 <BenedictOfAmber> have you even bothered to try it under windows? It runs fine
21:45:13 <ChrisMorgan> BenedictOfAmber: it shows that they just don't know how to do it. Which to me is not a good sign.
21:45:18 <BenedictOfAmber> just because the distro method is a bit sill doesn't make it windows incompatible
21:45:34 <BenedictOfAmber> not all projects have the benefits that portableapps does
21:45:50 <BenedictOfAmber> or any other project like geany or libreoffice
21:46:39 <ChrisMorgan> BenedictOfAmber: the thing is that it's not hard, and it is better. I can't understand why they would not have done it the normal way.
21:46:51 <BenedictOfAmber> perhaps it being on portableapps will help them get a proper windows developer
21:47:02 <BenedictOfAmber> its hard when haven't a clue how you should be doing
21:47:03 <BenedictOfAmber> it
21:48:11 <JohnTHaller> I think it's a single dev doing the Windows builds. They lag the other ones.
21:48:43 <BenedictOfAmber> probably trying to figure out how to get it to work
21:51:44 <JohnTHaller> Oh boy. Yet another issue. Seems gPodder will revert to a specific download path on every run, no matter what. App\gPodder\downloads.
21:51:58 <JohnTHaller> ChrisMorgan: Any way to prevent PAL from copying directories if it can't move them?
21:52:02 <BenedictOfAmber> hmmm
21:52:23 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: no. Why would you want to?
21:53:38 <JohnTHaller> Because I need to move downloads back and forth. When you click play from gPodder, it's gonna launch it in an external media player... and lock the file.
21:53:49 <JohnTHaller> And downloads will be 100s of MBs
21:55:50 <ChrisMorgan> Nasty.
21:56:28 <JohnTHaller> Can't figure out why it keeps reverting it to that location
21:57:39 <ChrisMorgan> Sounds to me like something that we need them to fix. And the Windows distribution method; py2exe will produce *heaps* smaller packages as it throws away most of stdlib.
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22:00:23 <JohnTHaller> Oh, wait. May have it...
22:02:50 <JohnTHaller> Got it! https://bugs.gpodder.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1129
22:04:15 <ChrisMorgan> JohnTHaller: if you don't want 'X:\\foo\\bar' you can do r'X:\foo\bar', so long as there isn't a trailing slash it works fine.
22:04:46 <JohnTHaller> Further down. Commenting them out has it use a specific one.
22:04:52 <ChrisMorgan> Or if you're just commenting out that line or two then that's fine.
22:05:01 <ChrisMorgan> Good.
22:05:05 <ChrisMorgan> Bye, I've got to go now. I don't expect to be in again until Monday, going to a wedding for the weekend.
22:05:13 <JohnTHaller> Oddly, still won't let me set it via the GUI
22:05:18 <JohnTHaller> Ah, have fun
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22:34:19 <dboki89> JohnTHaller: hi there. Just wanted to suggest you post some simple, small and already done app, instead of rushing gpodder out without testing. Maybe something like Kobo Deluxe Portable (game), or Clicky Gone Portable (minimize programs and windows to system tray)
22:35:05 <dboki89> Clicky Gone has been under testing for some time now...
22:35:23 <JohnTHaller> it's a publisher app. have to inform them, have them host, etc
22:35:32 <JohnTHaller> gPodder is done. These were just last minute wrinkles.
22:37:15 <ZachThibeau> btw John was that about a bot taking on my persona again :P
22:37:41 <JohnTHaller> I was implying you were interchangeable with a bot :D
22:38:03 <ZachThibeau> lol I may not of been on but I still see whats going on :P
22:38:05 <JohnTHaller> Today's app is up: http://portableapps.com/news/2011-03-03_-_gpodder_portable_2.12_released
22:40:26 <ZachThibeau> anyways looks like I'll have to get a wisdom tooth taken out, just need to make the appointment, which will be set next week (bi weekly payments suck)
22:40:44 <BenedictOfAmber> it won't be that bad :)
22:40:50 <BenedictOfAmber> if you get a decent doctor :/
22:40:57 <JohnTHaller> No fun
22:41:10 <ZachThibeau> no the thing is I have no medical insurance so it's coming out of my moving fund
22:41:17 <BenedictOfAmber> ouch
22:41:42 <BenedictOfAmber> and, yes, not fun. But, it doesn't live up to the hype
22:41:55 <ZachThibeau> one of the reasons that I'm moving and taking a new job is to have full time work and decent covereage
22:44:11 <ZachThibeau> well that was odd I just got disconnected from my znc
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22:51:48 <BenedictOfAmber> JohnTHaller: http://twitter.com/agdurrette/status/43442174729256960
22:52:07 <JohnTHaller> protected, can't see me
22:52:08 <JohnTHaller> em
22:52:14 <BenedictOfAmber> k
22:52:19 <JohnTHaller> what is it?
22:52:27 <BenedictOfAmber> lemme get it
22:52:39 <BenedictOfAmber> have to login
22:52:45 <BenedictOfAmber> don't trust seesmic to cpoy paste
22:53:10 <sar3th> doesn't work here either, though i can actually see his tweets
22:53:11 <JohnTHaller> TIL what seesmic is
22:53:29 <BenedictOfAmber> hah, seesmic is failing period then I guess
22:53:57 <sar3th> hm, actually, he removed me? wut
22:53:59 <BenedictOfAmber> no, that's twitter failing :/
22:54:12 <BenedictOfAmber> NOOOOOOOO! That was mine :( @PortableApps RT New: gPodder Portable 2.12 (podcast receiver) Released by PortableApps.com http://t.co/qL9BJtw
22:54:21 <BenedictOfAmber> golly, twitter fails sometimes
22:54:24 <sar3th> something is wrong with twitter >_> works now
22:54:33 <BenedictOfAmber> not surprised
22:56:01 <JohnTHaller> So what is the tweet you wanted me to see?
22:56:13 <BenedictOfAmber> just pasted it :)
22:56:44 <JohnTHaller> andrew's? what was it?
22:57:01 <BenedictOfAmber> x[16:54:59] <BenedictOfAmber> NOOOOOOOO! That was mine :( @PortableApps RT New: gPodder Portable 2.12 (podcast receiver) Released by PortableApps.com http://t.co/qL9BJtw
22:57:16 <JohnTHaller> Oh ok
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23:03:23 <JohnTHaller> http://portableapps.com/node/25641#comment-171943
23:05:13 <BenedictOfAmber> JohnTHaller: looks good, and thanks
23:06:54 <JohnTHaller> This was one of the messiest apps I've done in a while. And I was already working on Clementine and Mixxx today, both of which require custom code to update sqlite databases.
23:08:02 <JohnTHaller> ... ugh... and another Chrome beta channel update. After they just posted one yesterday.
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23:24:32 <dboki89> good luck and good night :)
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23:31:18 <mrmcpowned> JohnTHaller: Isnt that expected of the dev channel? :\
23:31:25 <mrmcpowned> I mean they /are/ nighly builds
23:31:31 <mrmcpowned> nightly*
23:31:41 <JohnTHaller> beta channel. not dev. and dev is about weekly
23:31:47 <mrmcpowned> Ah
23:31:59 <mrmcpowned> Still, constant updates are expected
23:32:11 <JohnTHaller> Betas do not usually update daily
23:32:27 <mrmcpowned> Not when youre Google they dont :P
23:32:29 <JohnTHaller> Betas happening more often usually indicate slippage in QA
23:32:48 <JohnTHaller> Basically it was another major crash bug
23:35:31 <mrmcpowned> JohnTHaller: Pm?
23:36:29 <JohnTHaller> k
23:37:37 <gluxon> What's up with the 404 on the homepage? O_o
23:37:42 <gluxon> http://portableapps.com/�汾.rar
23:38:07 <JohnTHaller> Whay does your link end in random chars?
23:40:43 <gluxon> That's what the homepage ended in.
23:41:00 <JohnTHaller> Um... from where?
23:41:08 <JohnTHaller> I type it in and it works just fine
23:41:12 <gluxon> Hm.. fixed now.
23:42:08 <gluxon> Yeah, see? -> http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/8451/screenshotbbz.png
23:43:13 <JohnTHaller> somethinf up on your end then.
23:43:42 <JohnTHaller> typing in portableapps.com in all my browsers works fine on Windows
23:44:17 <JohnTHaller> Whatever you see on the page not found page is what your browser actually fed to the web server
23:44:34 <gluxon> Nope, refresh fixed it.
23:44:40 <gluxon> It was only there for a minute.
23:45:00 <JohnTHaller> Nothing's changed on the server, though
23:45:11 <JohnTHaller> And I checked both logged in and logged out (which is cached)
23:45:12 <gluxon> I clicked the logo and that came up. Doesn't matter now though.
23:45:29 <JohnTHaller> Could be an odd FF beta bug
23:45:56 <JohnTHaller> works fin in FF3 on Ubuntu as well. weird
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23:58:00 <JohnTHaller> hi agdurrette
23:58:01 <agdurrette> Hello :)
23:58:15 <JohnTHaller> How goes it?
23:58:19 <agdurrette> about to post a reply
23:58:27 <agdurrette> Good :)
23:58:38 <agdurrette> was a bit bummed at first
23:58:54 <JohnTHaller> Sorry for the confusion about gPodder. Didn't mean to take it from you. Honestly, I wish I picked a different app today.
23:59:12 <agdurrette> Its fine
23:59:19 <JohnTHaller> Well, I did... but the work on Clementine and Mixxx were both wasted due to both apps being too buggy to release :(
23:59:43 <JohnTHaller> gPodder almost fell into the same category due to the Downloads directory bug
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