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02:50:20 <dboki89> DannyMuniz: I'm just popping in for a minute or so. That error you reported with installing add-ons to IronPortable, it's a problem in the underlaying Chromium code. There's a whole bunch of incident similar to what you described, but attributed to Google Chrome
02:50:48 <DannyMuniz> ah ok thank you
02:51:32 <dboki89> I'm not aware of any fix for it, but it seems to appear and disappear at random for some users, so you might get lucky after an upgrade or something
02:52:17 <dboki89> I remember JohnTHaller saying it's got something to do with the way it's handling %TMP% internally, but can't recall correctly what it was
02:52:38 <dboki89> *handling %tmp% variable
02:52:44 <DannyMuniz> yea ill give a try some time later, like i said i mainly use seamonkeyportable so it is no big deal for men any way
02:52:56 <DannyMuniz> I do hope that gets fix in the main code
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02:53:31 <dboki89> glad it's not a problem for you :)
02:53:43 <dboki89> bye now
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03:22:26 <JohnTHaller> Today's new app is up: http://portableapps.com/news/2011-03-08_-_notepad2-mod_portable_4.1.24_released
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03:28:37 <agdurrette> JohnTHaller: do you know about python-gpod for gpodder? Where to get it? could it be included with gpodder portable?
03:28:55 <JohnTHaller> No idea.
03:29:34 <agdurrette> a user asked about it today
03:30:32 <JohnTHaller> I see no Windows builds of it.
03:30:57 <JohnTHaller> Think it's *nic/*BSD only
03:31:00 <JohnTHaller> *nix that is
03:39:50 <DannyMuniz> JohnTHaller: here is the person that had troble with gpodderPortable, http://portableapps.chrismorgan.info/irc/logs/?t=2011-03-08#T18-27-25
03:40:28 <JohnTHaller> Again, it appears to be Linux/BSD only. So no go.
03:40:43 <DannyMuniz> k
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04:23:22 <Widget_> Hi Guys
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04:23:47 <Widget_> Anyone else haveing issues with the portable apps beta 5
04:24:09 <JohnTHaller> what kind of issues, Widget_?
04:24:33 <Widget_> Installer integrity check failed.
04:24:51 <JohnTHaller> That means you got an incomplete download, most likely. How big is the file?
04:25:08 <Widget_> 2.7mb
04:25:26 <Widget_> i have downloaded it a couple times
04:25:32 <Widget_> everytime with the same outcome
04:25:52 <JohnTHaller> Which SourceForge mirror are you downloading from (it'll say in the upper right corner of the SF page)
04:26:10 <Widget_> GARR
04:26:33 <JohnTHaller> Just downloaded it successfully here.
04:27:08 <JohnTHaller> Is there anything that could be interfering with the download? Did you try clearing your browser's cache (otherwise it may just be pulling the incomplete download each time you select it)? Or you could try another mirror.
04:27:38 <JohnTHaller> Try this: https://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/portableapps/PortableApps.com%20Platform%20Test/PortableApps.com%20Platform%202.0%20Beta%205/PortableApps.com_Platform_Setup_2.0_Beta_5.exe?r=&ts=1299644848&use_mirror=fastbull
04:28:05 <JohnTHaller> (that's a direct link to Fastbull, also in Italy)
04:28:42 <Widget_> i got it off kent now.
04:28:48 <JohnTHaller> It work properly?
04:28:53 <Widget_> seems to be fine.
04:28:56 <Widget_> yes thanks
04:28:58 <JohnTHaller> Excellent.
04:29:30 <JohnTHaller> Anything else we can help you with, Widget_?
04:30:09 <Widget_> do you make portable versions of paid for apps
04:31:02 <Widget_> i have one that may be of use to people. for keeping cpanel login, and doing an auto login.
04:31:18 <JohnTHaller> We're debuting that progressively yes. We'll work with interested publishers. And nudge publishers of software our users are interested in.
04:31:20 <Widget_> i own the app rights
04:31:42 <JohnTHaller> Is it already available?
04:31:57 <Widget_> well as an installable version but not portable
04:32:52 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, that's what I mean, have a link to it?
04:33:54 <Widget_> http://www.webstyles.co.za/client/downloads/1/
04:34:04 <Widget_> i just have to open it for you to get a copy.
04:34:52 <JohnTHaller> Oh, is this free software? Free as in freeware... you give it away to your clients, etc?
04:35:15 <Widget_> yes. all my clients have access to it
04:35:35 <JohnTHaller> Is it only for your clients... or can it be used with any hosting provider?
04:35:56 <Widget_> well anyone with a domain and cpanel should be able to use it.
04:36:43 <JohnTHaller> Because as long as it's free (not charged for directly), you're free to use our launcher and installer and package it up for your clients and you can make it available directly on your site.
04:37:19 <Widget_> okay i will do that
04:37:38 <Widget_> do i just use the one on the downloads page?
04:37:58 <JohnTHaller> To be listed in the app directory, it'd have to work with a wider userbase. That could be an interesting option for you. It would be more work to support, but you could have it be 'sponsored by Websytles" in the app to drive business.
04:38:23 <JohnTHaller> The Development section has links to all the bits you need: the Format, The launcher and then the installer: http://portableapps.com/development
04:38:40 <JohnTHaller> And you can ask questions and share INI configurations right in the development forum.
04:38:54 <Widget_> cool i will look at adding plesk support to it.
04:40:02 <JohnTHaller> Nice. You can use other apps as guides as well if you're unsure of certain aspects like moving registry keys. The manual needs a bit of updating still. And we haven't released out all-in-one SDK yet that will help you build the app, document it and test it out.
04:40:47 <JohnTHaller> So the Dev forum is a good place for questions. As is IRC if you just need a quick hint. And if you ever wind up really stuck, feel free to drop an email to the Development contact on our site and we'll get back to you.
04:41:00 <Widget_> thanks
04:42:05 <JohnTHaller> Sure thing. Heck, if it takes off, doing a branded USB drive with the software and some additional utilities with your branding as either a promotional deal or as part of the paid accounts of specific levels and above could be a possible way to advertise or increase income, too.
04:44:01 <Widget_> Thanks i will look at that, there was a new version we were working on a while back with a few more features.
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04:45:17 <Widget_> Thnaks for checking out the site guys
04:45:18 <JohnTHaller> Sounds good. Well, whichever way you go, let us know at the Developers address. Hopefully we can turn it into something successful for you.
04:45:25 <JohnTHaller> Sure thing, Widget_
04:45:28 <Widget_> Thank you
04:45:36 <JohnTHaller> Goodnight (or morning or afternoon)
04:45:53 <Widget_> just saw people going onto the site now. its mornign here but goodnight to you
04:46:28 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, 11:45pm here. In need of some sleep. Big coding day tomorrow
04:46:35 <JohnTHaller> Gnight all.
04:46:42 <DannyMuniz> knight
04:46:45 <Widget_> night
04:46:51 <Widget_> cheers guys
04:47:10 <JohnTHaller> cheers
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06:29:57 <pa_4165> hello, i am having trouble with my google chrome install
06:30:05 <pa_4165> can anyone help me out?
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06:53:45 <auscompgeek> Dear Workrave, please stop crashing. Love, auscompgeek.
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12:06:37 <Spaceghost> Hello
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15:10:25 <DannyMuniz> Good morning everyone! :D
15:11:20 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Hi DannyMuniz
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16:41:01 <davidholcomb> What is the process to making a program a portable app and adding it to my list?
16:53:12 <D_D> http://portableapps.com/development
16:53:27 <D_D> that has most of the info on it
16:53:52 <D_D> http://portableapps.com/apps/development/portableapps.com_launcher
16:54:13 <D_D> that makes it easy to make a portable app
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17:26:29 <Alex__> I am not able to get the portable aps exe to run on windows 7?
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17:29:14 <Alex__> help!
17:29:14 <GizmoBot> Alex__: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
17:29:42 <GordCaswell> Hi Alex_, how can we help?
17:30:14 <Alex__> I was wondering why I am not able to run the portables aps.exe on windows 7 but it runs fine on windows xp
17:30:19 <Alex__> and thanks for helping
17:30:44 <GordCaswell> which app? startportableapps.exe?
17:30:59 <Alex__> yes
17:31:24 <GordCaswell> do you have an antivirus running on the win7 machine?
17:32:32 <Alex__> it is a school computer, with symantec
17:32:50 <Alex__> running but i just disabled it and still getting an error
17:32:52 <Gizmokid2005> Alex__: it may be disallowed by your school, but that should trigger something to notify you of that.
17:32:58 <Gizmokid2005> what's the error?
17:33:03 <Alex__> "The handle is invalid"
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17:33:46 <Gizmokid2005> is that all that it says?
17:33:55 <Alex__> yes sir
17:34:22 <Alex__> G:\StartPortableApps.exe
17:34:28 <Alex__> The handle is invalid.
17:34:34 <Alex__> thats the error
17:34:37 <Gizmokid2005> do any other apps work?
17:35:10 <Alex__> no, the only app that i can get to work is eclipse
17:35:17 <Gizmokid2005> do they all have the same error?
17:35:22 <Alex__> yep
17:35:41 <Gizmokid2005> either a) it's some corruption on the drive or b) the computer itself has some security or issue that's blocking it
17:36:01 <Alex__> hmmm ok i will just format the drive and reinstall everything
17:36:10 <Gizmokid2005> befor eyou do that
17:36:12 <Gizmokid2005> just run a checkdisk
17:36:16 <Gizmokid2005> and see if there are any issues
17:36:23 <Gizmokid2005> saves you the trouble of reinstallation
17:36:52 <Alex__> alright running it now
17:38:25 <Alex__> found no problems
17:43:53 <Gizmokid2005> probably a problem on the local machine then.
17:44:31 <Alex__> alright i will try a differnet computer later and if that doesnt work then i will just format the flash drive and reinstall everything
17:44:34 <Alex__> no big deal
17:45:38 <Alex__> thank you btw
17:46:06 <Gizmokid2005> you're welcome
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17:54:51 <GizmoBot> MaienM is MaienM. He is the developer of The Mana World Portable.
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19:16:30 <GizmoBot> ptmb He knows a lot about HTML+CSS... besides that he is just a lunatic...
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19:50:27 <Cael> Theres a Program i came across i wanted to suggest for making it compatable with PortableApps installer/loader
19:50:40 <Cael> "PowerDefrager 3.0"
19:51:58 <GordCaswell> please make a request here: http://portableapps.com/forums/general/request_apps using theses guidelines: http://portableapps.com/node/4507
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19:55:48 <Cael> well reading the guidelines.
19:55:58 <Cael> its freeware but not Opensource
19:56:14 <Cael> meaning at most a launcher would get released then correct?
19:56:32 <GordCaswell> That's correct, unless you get permission from the dveloper to package it.
20:10:13 <Cael> i see why its not opensourced..
20:10:27 <Cael> "Core is Powered by Sysinternals/Microsoft Contig"
20:11:36 <Cael> it appears to be basicly just a GUI for contig.exe
20:11:44 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Contig is not bundled with Power Defragmenter.
20:21:07 <Cael> the vers i got did
20:21:21 <Cael> it has an gui exe and contig
20:24:25 <TPFC-SYSTEM> OK, I checked that myself.
20:24:41 <TPFC-SYSTEM> PowerDefragmenter.exe is the only file in the ZIP archive.
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20:31:02 <CruelC> 0hai.
20:31:36 <Cael> http://sksapps.com/index.php?page=hd.html thats where i got it from TPFC-SYSTEM
20:31:52 <CruelC> One advantage of pac is update facility.
20:32:18 <CruelC> With wpp you have to murder installers
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20:33:00 <Cael> you gotta scroll down a bit but its there
20:33:10 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Cael: I see. That archive includes Contig.
20:33:13 <TPFC-SYSTEM> http://my.opera.com/rejzor/blog/power-defragmenter-3-0-released
20:33:35 <TPFC-SYSTEM> AFAIK, the above is the official homepage of Power Defragmenter.
20:33:49 <TPFC-SYSTEM> The archive available there doesn't include Contig.
20:34:20 <CruelC> JTH: Hello. Will the update facility ever learn updating unmaintained packages?
20:35:19 <CruelC> like, check official site of the project for updates, download the installer, then replace old files with those in the installer
20:36:35 <JohnTHaller> CruelC: We have no plans for that at present. That would be pretty complicated and likely break as webpages are altered anyway. The goal is to add more and more apps and...
20:36:53 <JohnTHaller> get publishers to package and support PA.c Format directly, which is happening much more frequently now.
20:40:50 <JohnTHaller> Today's new app is up: http://portableapps.com/news/2011-03-09_-_chromium_bsu_portable_0.9.11_released
20:41:28 <JohnTHaller> (with the wrong features.... fixing now)
20:42:06 <JohnTHaller> ...and fixed
20:45:10 <CruelC> JTH: oh, another Galaxian/Galaga :(
20:45:26 <JohnTHaller> What's wrong with that? It's a lot of fun :)
20:46:14 <CruelC> I don't play Galaxian, and am tired of seeing it EVERYWHERE
20:46:56 <CruelC> Bah gah, my parents bought me a Space Invaders t-shirt. #_#
20:47:04 <JohnTHaller> It's certainly not Galaxian. It's a vertical space shooter, but that doesn't make it Galaxian.
20:47:22 <JohnTHaller> Heck, part of the game is to crash into ships using powerups to ensure they don't get past you.
20:47:44 <CruelC> Galaxian was simply the first game of that kind for me
20:48:21 <CruelC> In 2002, I owned a used NES for a short time (after which it died)
20:48:32 <JohnTHaller> Ah. I never really played it growing up. But I did play many other scrolling space shooters (both vertical and horizontal) with lots of different gameplay styles. I had a Commodore 64 :)
20:49:25 <CruelC> C64... I didn't manage the emulator to run
20:49:43 <CruelC> so never played any c64 games even in emulation
20:49:59 <JohnTHaller> I never really did emulators of it. I grew up with an actual one. Originally with a black and white TV and a cassette storage drive.
20:50:12 <JohnTHaller> And I walked to school in the snow uphill in both directions. And we liked it.
20:50:36 <JohnTHaller> BTW - For the curious, today's release makes 99 apps in 99 days.
20:51:05 <CruelC> C64 with gs TV... :(
20:51:22 <CruelC> gs TV is a complete offload, should I say
20:51:55 <mrmcpowned> JohnTHaller: Neat
20:52:08 <mrmcpowned> going for 100?
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20:52:45 <JohnTHaller> At least 100. May switch to only weekdays after hitting 100 so I can have weekends off :)
20:53:32 <CruelC> well, well... What's 100th? some wicked drawing app?
20:54:29 <JohnTHaller> Wish scribus 1.4 was ready
20:54:45 <CruelC> -_-
20:55:19 <agdurrette> JohnTHaller the 100th app needs to be some wickedly awesome epic to the tenth power app
20:55:42 <JohnTHaller> I don't know that we have anything in the queue that would fit that billing.
20:55:59 <agdurrette> :)
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20:57:16 <Simeon> hi all
20:57:19 <Simeon> Hi John
20:57:21 <JohnTHaller> hola Simeon
20:58:16 <Simeon> did you get my note about JpegView?
20:58:32 <JohnTHaller> Yes, thanks. Just ping me when you have the new one ready :)
20:58:37 <Simeon> ok
20:58:52 <JohnTHaller> Simeon: If you missed the log, today's release went out and marks the 99th new app in a row.
20:59:19 <Simeon> nice.
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20:59:41 <Simeon> its 2150 here, so is the release for roday or tomorrow? ;)
21:00:11 <JohnTHaller> Today is the 9th here. If it's the 10th anywhere else, there must be witchcraft involved.
21:00:19 <mrmcpowned> Lol
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21:00:31 <Simeon> Oh and could you have a look at http://portableapps.com/node/26814 ? its about trademarks.
21:01:09 <JohnTHaller> Hmmm. I dunno honestly. I've been debating that
21:01:25 <Simeon> ok.
21:02:05 <Simeon> they are normal english words so imho they shouldnt be trademarked. they jjust have a special meaning here.
21:02:54 <Simeon> had 2 other pages I wanted to direct your attention to but I dont have them now as I am trying the latest Natty (=Ubuntu) release atm.
21:03:42 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, I think you're right, so we'll go with translating them.
21:03:50 <JohnTHaller> No problem
21:03:55 <mrmcpowned> I think when you put them together with the PortableApps.com name they become trademarked in whole, but not separately.
21:04:18 <Simeon> oh and I counted 98 apps. Anyone in here who wants to compare lists??? ;)
21:04:24 <mrmcpowned> lol
21:05:25 <JohnTHaller> http://portableapps.com/news/new
21:05:41 <JohnTHaller> 3 pages of new apps (75) and one page of all but one from December 1 on.
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21:32:38 <Simeon> hi chris
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21:39:04 <CruelC> MWW water stage - too difficult
21:45:18 <CruelC> ok, let's count.
21:45:19 <CruelC> WPP - menu derived off ASuite, wrapper platform - unknown to me.
21:45:19 <CruelC> PAC - NSIS-centric.
21:45:19 <CruelC> WPP - cluttered, but more compact.
21:45:19 <CruelC> PAC - although less compact (repeated libraries), can auto-update.
21:45:19 <CruelC> WPP - keyboard support in menu.
21:45:19 <CruelC> PAC - cooler menu design.
21:45:20 <CruelC> WPP menu seems to win, but it's a tie for wrappers
21:46:42 <CruelC> for ones with 1gb pen-drives, WPP is recommended if they use many tools with dependencies - GTK, Qt, ...
21:47:22 <CruelC> Else, PAF is strongly recommended for easier uninstallation, auto-update, ...
21:48:59 <Simeon> GNight everybody! Have a nice day/night/whatever in between :)
21:49:13 <CruelC> pac platform came about as a means of wrapping Firefox for portability. IDK what WPP's original purpose was.
21:49:45 <CruelC> Good night, Simeon. Wish you not see computers (especially, BSOD's) in your dreams.
21:52:34 <Simeon> Im on linux: No BSOD here ;)
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21:52:43 <CruelC> JTH: What has more market share: PAC or WPP?
21:53:34 <CruelC> Black screen of death exists on Linux
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21:54:52 <Simeon> WPP?
21:55:03 <CruelC> Winpenpack.com
21:55:26 <CruelC> Apps wrapped with WPP are referred to as x-
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22:02:44 <Gizmokid2005> CruelC: I'd nearly guarantee that PA.c has more market share for sure.
22:03:17 <ChrisMorgan> CruelC: PortableApps.com is the standard with the largest market share (even more than U3, I believe). winPenPack is just one of the smaller ones.
22:05:00 <Gizmokid2005> not to mention a few of the files I"ve tried to download from WPP don't even have an installer.
22:05:07 <Gizmokid2005> you have manual work to make it portable
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22:06:23 <JohnTHaller> We have more market share than all other portable packages combined (including U3), if anyone is curious.
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22:07:47 <CruelC> Gizmokid2005: :( you either simply "extract to subfolder" or install with menu (latter recommended, as it compacts the things up).
22:08:03 <Gizmokid2005> CruelC: http://www.winpenpack.com/en/download.php?view.152
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22:08:13 <Gizmokid2005> or you run through this list of 5 steps to make it portable and mess up the host machine...
22:08:39 <CruelC> oh, messy steps...
22:08:50 <Gizmokid2005> yes.
22:09:17 <Gizmokid2005> NONE of our apps are like that..even xampp (last i knew) only required that you extract the xampp zip download to the root of your drive, install the launcher like a normal app and you're done.
22:09:48 <JohnTHaller> XAMPP is an odd special exception. It's not really a PA.c app. The launcher is just to add an easy shortcut to the PA.c Menu.
22:10:19 <Gizmokid2005> right
22:10:25 <JohnTHaller> We have a signed licensing agreement with Opera to do Opera Portable Edition, which is why we can legally include it.
22:10:26 <Gizmokid2005> but that's my point
22:10:42 <Gizmokid2005> all our stuff is install and go
22:11:22 <agdurrette> oh, xampp no longer has Xampp lite
22:11:34 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, I need to update the page.
22:11:44 <CruelC> Their stuff, to be "installed", has you to own a "menu" first
22:12:17 <Gizmokid2005> CruelC: which, honestly, doesn't make sense. You should be able to "install" the apps with an installer without needing a menu
22:12:25 <JohnTHaller> You can unzip them to a folder in the PortableApps folder (AppNamePortable, for example) and they'll work with the PA.c Platform if you're so inclined.
22:13:41 <CruelC> WPP is messy, and uninstallation from that "menu" is a m3ss
22:15:08 <CruelC> with PAC, you simply right-click the unwanted app in the menu, select "uninstall" or delete the folder.
22:15:40 <CruelC> so, WPP is an offload.
22:16:04 <JohnTHaller> If you're curious, head here: http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/portableapps.com and then enter winpenpack.com in the "Compare PA.c to:" section and click Compare.
22:18:08 <Gizmokid2005> not bad JohnTHaller, nearly 2% of the portableapps traffic is to the start page
22:18:57 <JohnTHaller> And we're consistently in the top 5000 websites worldwide or right on the border of it (currently 5,322 as it varies daily/weekly)
22:20:08 <JohnTHaller> Hmm, actually we're at 3,436 for yesterday.
22:21:02 <CruelC> WPP lags in 189.8k'th place
22:21:10 <CruelC> in 3-month rank
22:22:14 <CruelC> now I see that WPP is an offload, with only advantage being a that it's a bit more compact by not repeating XUL, GTK, Qt, ...
22:22:36 <Gizmokid2005> a lot of those you can't avoid..
22:22:51 <Gizmokid2005> especially with version dependencies by so many apps, and directory/location requirements...
22:23:48 <CruelC> yea... but WPP tries to compact it all, messing itself in process.
22:24:04 <CruelC> WinPoopPack.
22:25:48 <CruelC> U3 has too much unsupported tricks, that's why it's that low. Haven't tried it myself. But WPP is sluggish.
22:26:09 <Gizmokid2005> U3 has been officially dead for years...
22:26:51 <CruelC> yikes
22:28:17 <agdurrette> 17 days since gPodder 2.13 came out and its still not built for windows :(
22:29:05 <JohnTHaller> Happens quite a bit with some apps. Not a big deal unless you're version OCD
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22:29:24 <JohnTHaller> Yeah U3 only came to about 10% of our downloads at its height.
22:30:07 <mrmcpowned> U3 just sucks
22:30:12 <mrmcpowned> It's slow and annoying
22:32:09 <CruelC> L <waiting for 10 years> O <10 more> A <10 more> D <10 more> I <10 more> N <10 more> G <waiting 30 years> Welcome to U3.
22:33:07 <CruelC> like that?
22:34:54 <CruelC> 60 years to show the whole "LOADING" word, and overall 90 years to load. LOL
22:35:45 <CruelC> if U3 is THAT slow, no wonder it didn't hit much.
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23:19:04 <Twinkie_> Hello
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23:19:20 <Twinkie_> Is there any word when the lastest Firefox version RC1 will come out?
23:22:05 <Twinkie_> As a portable apps installation. It has already been released by Mozilla.
23:24:55 <Twinkie_> I do like that PortableApps included an IRC channel in their support page, but there is a distinction between IRC Chat and Support Chat.
23:25:09 <Twinkie_> Mainly, there has to be active supporters online ready to respond.
23:25:25 <Twinkie_> I don't think this is the case here... so it should be made clear.
23:25:32 <agdurrette> irc is chat
23:26:19 <agdurrette> sorry about that
23:26:42 <Twinkie_> No problem, I don't expect it of course. I am not a paying customer =)
23:26:48 <Twinkie_> Just a point to be made.
23:27:15 <Twinkie_> Most IRC chats, you wait for hours before someone talks.
23:27:18 <agdurrette> JohnTHaller: is the person who does firefox
23:27:54 <Twinkie_> Thanks agdurrette, I will wait for him to come on.
23:28:24 <ChrisMorgan> Twinkie_: if there's someone around who can answer it they'll tend to before long. In this case, just wait for it. Firefox Portable releases are generally out within a day of the Firefox build.
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23:29:18 <Twinkie_> Oh really I didn't know it was so soon >.>
23:29:26 <Twinkie_> Nm then.
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