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00:06:05 <pa_6626> Hi, New here so pls bear with me. Will all this great stuff work on my Palm Tungsten C ?
00:08:08 <pa_6626> Hellooooooooo, anyone out there?
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03:29:40 <OliverK> tell ZachThibeau PChat 1.4 crashes when I try to load\unload a plugin as well as when I try to disable the box that opens after joining a server
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03:57:54 <pa_2793> my computer will not open donot support CMOV,PAE,TSC&FXSAVE will porable apps open file i have xp
04:02:26 <pa_2793> thanks i will read soom more
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05:23:10 <DannyMuniz> well so much for making Flock portable.... http://tinyurl.com/3wblqol
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05:26:45 <JohnTHaller> http://portableapps.com/blogs/johnhaller/2011-04-27_status_update
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09:30:48 <DannyMuniz> Good morning and Good Night, Im off later
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10:44:15 <pa_7330> Hola. Did anyone catch the spammer reniyaweng?
11:00:33 <pa_7330> guess not
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12:37:15 <markomlm> hello @all
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12:38:12 <markomlm> user reniyaweng was blocked because of spamming the PortableApps.com pages, spam will be removed asap
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12:39:17 <sar3th> hello markomlm, benedikt93
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12:41:16 <benedikt93> hello :)
12:52:50 <markomlm> all spam posts of reniyaweng are removed :-9
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13:36:19 <GizmoBot> agdurrette is awesome! nuff said.
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13:51:05 <george2> just looking at the screenshots, and noticed something- does anyone know what happened to the Aero theme? John posted shots of it a while back, but it doesn't seem to be obviously available in the theme settings tab pic. I know he was having some trouble getting it to work with older systems- does that mean it won't be included in 2.0?
13:59:20 <Gizmokid2005> george2: he's the only one that knows.
14:00:01 <george2> Sorry. I just hoped maybe someone else had worked on it a bit :)
14:00:13 <Gizmokid2005> Nope, only he and the graphic designer
14:00:14 <george2> The Aero looks awesome, and I can't wait to see it.
14:00:29 <Cyro> george2: Aero theme? where?
14:00:37 <george2> http://portableapps.com/files/blogimages/platform2preview/theme-aero.png
14:00:46 <Cyro> wow
14:01:43 <george2> Here's the original post, where John first talked about it. http://portableapps.com/node/24104
14:05:57 <george2> Oh, well. I hope he can get the kinks worked out eventually. It'd be a great addition.
14:08:13 <Cyro> george2: We will found out pretty soon I guess
14:09:06 <george2> Guess so. This latest post cheered me up a bit.
14:09:26 <george2> At least we can tell there has been some progress.
14:10:26 <Cyro> it's been almost one year since 2.0 beta 5
14:11:01 <george2> The "App Directory," as I think he's calling it, looks pretty awesome.
14:11:23 <george2> I know. I've been using it since it came out.
14:11:55 <george2> And the 1.6 before that...
14:12:07 <Cyro> I never tried 1.6
14:13:56 <george2> It was good. It's still the default in the /download directory, and the "latest" at SF. The beta added a ton, though. Especially the updater.
14:14:29 <Cyro> I'm not sure if it will be better to perform a clean install of 2.0 RC1 or just upgrade from beta 5. What do you guys think?
14:15:07 <george2> Just installing the RC over the beta should work fine.
14:15:14 <george2> That's what i did when I upgraded to the beta in the first place.
14:46:24 <george2> I'll be interested to see the new Drupal 7 site, as well. I use D7 myself, and it has some pretty neat features. It's about time the site got a facelift.
14:49:46 <george2> I've been debating whether or not to get a few people I know set up with the PAM and a few apps. They're not very computer literate people, if you know what I mean, and I'm not sure if that would cause more confusion than good. Does anyone here know any non-techy types who use PA?
14:50:50 <george2> These are people with desktops, which they can't bring to the public library, and most of them have dialup at home, so have to use the library computers for anything that requires downloads.
14:57:58 <george2> As a total geek, I don't think I'm qualified to testify on the user-friendliness of the PAM for new users.
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15:22:10 <george2> Oops. BSOD.
15:24:04 <george2> No non-geeks use the PAM?
15:24:21 <Gizmokid2005> in here? probably not
15:24:26 <Gizmokid2005> most people that wind up in IRC aren't non-geeks
15:24:37 <Gizmokid2005> or are at least somewhat technically inclined
15:24:38 <george2> :)
15:24:49 <george2> But you don;t know anyone who does?
15:24:52 <Gizmokid2005> nope.
15:25:00 <george2> Hm.
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16:45:22 <OliverK> my brother uses PAM stuff, but he's fairly good with computers
16:46:12 <george2> It seems to be designed to make it easy for new users, but I don't know how easy.
16:46:31 <george2> Maybe I should test it out on somebody ;)
16:47:21 <OliverK> yup
16:48:42 <george2> These are older people, to whom I teach a basic computer class. I don't know if I want to scare them off.
16:48:56 <OliverK> how old?
16:50:18 <george2> 50-70ish
16:50:31 <OliverK> uh . . . .
16:50:46 <OliverK> i think if you can get them to realize that they need to start the PAM menu and run everything from that menu then they should be fine
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16:52:07 <george2> It would just be for email, watching that video clip their friend sent them, that kind of thing.
16:52:30 <george2> Basically, FF Portable, and maybe a simple note-taking app or something.
16:55:10 <george2> That was a strange reaction. How old did you think i meant?
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16:59:58 <OliverK> well, 40-60 I guess.
17:04:23 <george2> The're not that computer-illiterate. They all have email addresses. And we're definitely well past the "What is a mouse?" stage, though right clicking is another story.
17:04:34 <george2> :)
17:06:22 <OliverK> start with one of the better students
17:06:35 <OliverK> if everyone else gets interested then you have got something
17:09:48 <george2> Guess so. Might take a while, but I think some of them would really find PA useful.
17:11:37 <george2> One lady, on dialup, buys 99c games that are shipped to her on CD, so she can play them. I almost suggested PA when she said that, but stopped short because I wasn't sure. The new App Dir should make downloading a bunch of games even easier.
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18:05:05 <OliverK> hay hay hey its patch tuesday!
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19:02:09 <george2> huh?
19:02:18 <george2> What was that?
19:02:57 <george2> OliverK: Where is it patch Tuesday?
19:03:13 <OliverK> today is patch tuesday
19:03:18 <OliverK> its time to run windows updates
19:03:24 <george2> It's Wednesday here.
19:04:07 <OliverK> .t
19:04:08 <GizmoBot> Wed, 27 Apr 2011 13:04:07 CST
19:04:16 <OliverK> so it is :(
19:04:42 <OliverK> well, yesterday was tuesday and tomorrow is thursday but today is friday friday friday
19:05:10 <george2> Believe me, I keep track of Patch Tuesday.
19:06:48 <george2> I thought maybe you were in a different time zone...
19:07:15 <OliverK> yeah, i just forgot what day today is
19:07:39 <george2> :) I never do that.
19:07:50 <OliverK> i do, all the time
19:08:12 <george2> For some reason, MS did push out another mrt today, so that got me really confused.
19:09:15 <george2> (btw, I was being sarcastic :P)
19:11:55 <OliverK> I wasn't insulted :p
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19:15:47 <george2> Man, my connection stinks.
19:20:34 <george2> The ISP's DNS cuts out every few minutes. Really annoying.
19:23:32 <Gizmokid2005> openDNS/GoogleDNS
19:23:33 <Gizmokid2005> :D
19:23:50 <Gizmokid2005> 208.67.220.220/208.67.222.222 or 8.8.8.8/8.8.4.4
19:25:15 <OliverK> george2: isp DNS dying is not your connection problem
19:25:21 <george2> I know... How do you do that in Windows, anyway? I found it once a long time ago, but I've never been able to get back to it.
19:25:29 <OliverK> network connections
19:25:37 <OliverK> right and chose properties of your adaptor
19:25:52 <OliverK> (which is in control panel)
19:26:19 <OliverK> general tab, look for TCP/IP settings and then click the properties button
19:28:15 <george2> I have "Networking" and "Sharing" tabs.
19:28:25 <OliverK> win 7?
19:28:32 <george2> No, vista.
19:28:35 <OliverK> oh
19:28:53 <OliverK> Gizmokid2005, if you could give him a hand, I haven't my laptop handy to check and i don't know off hand
19:29:10 <Gizmokid2005> I don't have vista either
19:29:17 <Gizmokid2005> you have to go into the network adapter settings
19:29:22 <george2> :) What's maddening is I know I've gotten to it before...
19:29:52 <OliverK> probably the networking tab, i've got a vm upstairs on my laptop but i'm try to work on some schoolwork
19:30:03 <OliverK> .g set dns server vista
19:30:04 <GizmoBot> OliverK: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-vista/Change-TCP-IP-settings
19:30:56 <george2> Just a sec, think I found it...
19:31:49 <george2> Yep.
19:33:06 <george2> "The network address entered is invalid"
19:33:24 <OliverK> wut?
19:33:41 <Gizmokid2005> screenshot?
19:33:48 <OliverK> you aren't changing the network address, just the dns servers . . .
19:34:10 <george2> Aargh! Windows!
19:34:11 <Gizmokid2005> http://screenshots.modemhelp.net/screenshots/Windows_Vista/Network_Connections/Local_Area_Connection/Properties/IPv4_Properties/General/Auto-Obtain_IP--Auto-Obtain_DNS.shtml
19:34:20 <Gizmokid2005> george2: you want to change the bottom two fields in that page.
19:35:16 <george2> I'm trying to. "Use the following DNS server addresses: Preferred DNS server: etc"
19:35:52 <george2> Oohh. Duh. [headslap]
19:36:04 <george2> I'm in ipv6 settings. :P
19:36:41 <Gizmokid2005> yeah...makes a difference
19:37:27 <OliverK> no one is moving to ipv6 like they should be :(
19:38:06 <george2> tell me about it.
19:38:28 <george2> did you hear abt "World IPv6 day"?
19:38:34 <OliverK> nope
19:38:37 <Gizmokid2005> yep
19:38:38 <Gizmokid2005> won't happen
19:38:46 <Gizmokid2005> most WANs still don't have IPv6 capability
19:39:34 <OliverK> yeah
19:39:40 <OliverK> and with NAT, well . . .
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19:39:50 <OliverK> NOT a DNS issue
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19:41:32 <george2> Disconnected again.
19:41:59 <OliverK> that's a link stability issue
19:42:06 <OliverK> time to call the ISP
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19:43:05 <george2> Anyway, W ipv6 day was supposed to be Facebook, Google, Yahoo, etc testing out ipv6 for one day. That was back before we officially ran out of ipv4 addresses.
19:43:50 <george2> And yet they scheduled it for years in the future.
19:44:16 <george2> Thought that was pretty ridiculous.
19:44:42 <OliverK> we've only officially run out of ipv4 address blocks
19:44:52 <OliverK> we haven't run out of ipv4 aaddresses, yet
19:45:42 <george2> Oh. I thought the addresse were depleted.
19:46:09 <Gizmokid2005> nope
19:46:11 <Gizmokid2005> this year though
19:46:37 * george2 rolls eyes
19:47:43 <george2> Probably just resellers looking to profit by buying up IP blocks like stocks, I guess.
19:48:11 <OliverK> eh, IDK
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19:51:30 <george2> I still don't understand *why* no one is switching to v6. I studied v6 topology and etc for CCNA a few years ago.
19:52:01 <Gizmokid2005> george2: it all comes down to money.
19:52:13 <Gizmokid2005> It's going to cost companies money to upgrade/implement IPv6 across their network
19:52:19 <Gizmokid2005> and it's not required, so why do it?
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19:55:12 <george2> What has to be paid for? All new devices (as far as I know) are v6 capable these days. Even my 3+ yr old laptop does ipv6.
19:56:18 <george2> --Am I going to get kicked for join flooding?
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20:01:02 <OliverK> .tell george2 probably not, i'm more worried about people who do it more rapidly then you do
20:01:02 <GizmoBot> OliverK: I'll pass that on when george2 is around.
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20:04:25 <Gizmokid2005> george2: you know that most infrastructure in most ISPs is old tech, stuff that doesn't support IPv6...and EVEN if it does, it requires updates, reconfiguration to move from IPv4 to v6, etc. It's going to cost them a lot of man hours and money to upgrade it...
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20:08:43 <george2> Again. Yeah, we're trying to switch ISPs. With a 500 MB limit, and all this net trauma, it's getting too much to deal with.
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20:13:33 <OliverK> Gizmokid2005: if they have any static routes or acls based on ipv4 they will have to update that stuff
20:13:44 <OliverK> to the ipv6 format
20:13:54 <Gizmokid2005> that's what I mean by manhours
20:14:06 <OliverK> right . . .
20:14:10 <OliverK> anyway
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20:19:42 <GizmoBot> ptmb knows a lot about HTML+CSS, besides that, he is just a lunatic...
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20:22:19 <george2> OliverK: I meant by a bot. In my IRC, (intranet) I have an eggdrop that'll kick anyone if they have so many joins/parts within a set amount of time.
20:22:29 <george2> What is GizmoBot, anyway?
20:22:44 <OliverK> a irc bot
20:22:46 <Gizmokid2005> ahh no. We don't use anything like that
20:22:51 <Gizmokid2005> GizmoBot is a phenny IRC bot
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20:26:35 <george2> If anybody has a decent ISP, please don't hesitate to share. Love to get rid of this one.
20:27:20 <OliverK> verizon DSL?
20:27:35 <OliverK> slow and laggy but I rarely have connection problems
20:28:40 <george2> :) sorry, sattelite only.
20:29:03 <OliverK> out in the boonies, huh?
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20:32:51 <george2> :-(
20:33:19 <BenedictOfAmber> you might not have much of any other choice
20:33:47 <BenedictOfAmber> you might look into some of those 4g connecotors for computers, but IDK
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20:34:11 <BenedictOfAmber> personally, the little experiance i have had with sat tells me it would be unusable for me
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20:39:10 <george2> Sorry, BenedictOfAmber- I'm not trying to ignore you. I just keep getting kicked by the ISP.
20:39:17 <BenedictOfAmber> i figured
20:39:21 <BenedictOfAmber> not worried
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20:53:22 <george2> I am a little out there- we have no cell service, no cable, etc. Only thing that works is sattelite.
20:54:15 <george2> And I don't even know how to spell that. *satellite
20:55:13 <george2> But this isn't really a pa-related topic, is it. :P
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21:15:14 <Gizmokid2005> I don't understand why they don't take fiber out to places like that
21:15:19 <Gizmokid2005> that's the cheapest to build out on and will last the longest...
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21:15:32 <BenedictOfAmber> because nobody out here normally cares
21:15:40 <BenedictOfAmber> we like our peace and quiet
21:15:48 <Gizmokid2005> Lol
21:15:54 <BenedictOfAmber> you people who want fast internet live in the city
21:16:09 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, but still...being government mandates on converage are going to be in effect in time, they should just do it
21:16:09 <BenedictOfAmber> young*
21:16:18 <Gizmokid2005> I'd reather live in the country, but have fast internet
21:16:26 <Gizmokid2005> that's something we're taking into consideration in our house-hunt
21:16:28 <BenedictOfAmber> old foggies with no interest whatsoever in the internet don't care
21:16:30 <Gizmokid2005> is internet capabilities there.
21:16:44 <BenedictOfAmber> yeah, espicially with you running so many servers locally
21:16:56 <BenedictOfAmber> cleaning router logs, oh joy
21:17:11 <Gizmokid2005> yeah, that and telecommuting is impossible w/o broadband.
21:17:28 <BenedictOfAmber> indeed, and in the boonies, you are going to want to telecommute
21:17:36 <Gizmokid2005> absolutely
21:17:57 <BenedictOfAmber> its 20 minutes for me to the nearest walmart
21:18:11 <BenedictOfAmber> and that's not even that far from civies
21:18:19 <BenedictOfAmber> i hate the city
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21:19:00 <Gizmokid2005> yep...it's ~15-20 minutes to the nearest store (Meijer or walmart). I don't count the small expensive family fare in town
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21:19:13 <Gizmokid2005> they're the only guys in town and you can tell by the prices...
21:19:44 <BenedictOfAmber> yeah
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21:26:43 <george2> Ok, taking up where I left off.... Gizmokid2005:
21:26:49 <george2> Out here? Why would they? There's about 20 people out our road, probably 5-6 who can afford/care about internet, and a couple of them are in just the right spot and can get cell-service signal. And we're about 10 miles from the nearest "town," and 45 from the closest place that could be called a "small town" on a map...
21:26:51 <Gizmokid2005> lol george2, welcome back?
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21:27:08 <BenedictOfAmber> .tell george2: run a vps anywhere?
21:27:09 <GizmoBot> BenedictOfAmber: I'll pass that on when george2 is around.
21:27:17 <BenedictOfAmber> he should get a znc shell
21:27:22 <Gizmokid2005> yeah
21:27:32 <Gizmokid2005> there's mini's on fanatical that are only $5/mo for stuff like that
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21:27:48 <BenedictOfAmber> i run mine locally, which isn't the best but it works
21:27:51 <Gizmokid2005> Offer: we also have a super-micro plan; 256/512MB RAM, 5GB disk & unmetered, only $5/month;
21:27:58 <Gizmokid2005> mine is on my VPS :)
21:28:02 <george2> [sigh] ..for now.
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21:28:14 <BenedictOfAmber> Gizmokid2005: i'm broke, so yeah . . . .
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21:28:31 <Gizmokid2005> oh do come on BenedictOfAmber, You can find $5 in spare change in 30 days I'm sure :)
21:28:37 <Gizmokid2005> just check the couch cushions
21:28:37 <Gizmokid2005> :P
21:28:43 <BenedictOfAmber> Gizmokid2005: i seriously doubt that
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21:29:29 <george2> BenedictOfAmber: what do you mean?
21:29:54 <george2> ---"Web Acceleration Client Error (504)"
21:29:57 <BenedictOfAmber> you could run a znc shell, then all of the parts and joins you are making would only be in that shell
21:30:11 <BenedictOfAmber> think of it like a proxy
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21:30:55 <BenedictOfAmber> .tell george2 and you connect your irc client to that, and it shows any comments that were made, etc. That's how OliverK|Away is being run right now
21:30:55 <GizmoBot> BenedictOfAmber: I'll pass that on when george2 is around.
21:30:58 <BenedictOfAmber> bleh
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21:34:37 <BenedictOfAmber> https://mthruf.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/job-fails-mac-mice-can-do-everything.jpg
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21:35:24 <BenedictOfAmber> i maintain that that is not a kluge but very clever
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21:40:09 <george2> Ok, I give up. Please, tell me more about this znc thing. I'll read the log files. I just can't seem to stay connected for more than a few seconds, and it seems to be getting worse...
21:41:59 <george2> I'll try later :) -- And thanks for your help so far!
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21:43:52 <BenedictOfAmber> IDK, if you've got a linux vps you can just do yum install or apt-get install znc
21:44:06 <BenedictOfAmber> just google znc and the wiki they have will pretty much get you started
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