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00:11:30 <ZachThibeau> howdy JohnTHaller
00:24:12 <ZachThibeau> don't think I ever mentioned this but thank you for the work and continued work on PortableApps.com and for including people like me to the fold
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01:22:51 <JohnTHaller> hi ZachThibeau. You're welcome :) Thanks for your help!
01:59:39 <rcmaehl> JohnTHaller: I made a freenode wiki :D
01:59:54 <JohnTHaller> huh?
02:00:25 <rcmaehl> it's like wikipedia but only about freenode, its' channels', and its' users
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02:01:08 <pa_7584> JohnTHaller: do you have plan to translate PA.c Appcompactor
02:02:25 <JohnTHaller> At some point in the near future. It isn't a high priority at the moment as we're focusing on getting Platform 2.0 out and the website update done.
02:02:58 <JohnTHaller> As it's primarily intended for developers and nearly all the dev tools and documentation is in English, it's not as critical.
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02:26:29 <pa_7376> Hi, I'm trying to sign up to PortableApps.com, but the Captcha is not working - not showing any question or text box.
02:26:47 <OliverK> do you use noscript?
02:28:24 <pa_7376> Don't know - am running Firefox 4 out-of-the-box on a fresh linux Lucid Puppy 5.25
02:29:01 <JohnTHaller> ReCaptcha is having a certificate expiration issue... again
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02:29:52 <pa_7376> OK, will have to try later.
02:30:29 <JohnTHaller> Hang on a second... I'll fix it now :)
02:30:52 <pa_7376> Thanks.
02:32:35 <JohnTHaller> Ok, should be fixed now
02:33:16 <JohnTHaller> May need to shift-reload to ensure you get the page to load properly
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02:35:56 <pa_7376> Thanks, it works now.
02:36:12 <JohnTHaller> Great :)
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02:36:29 <JohnTHaller> Sorry about the issue. Should be fixed permanently now.
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02:37:04 <pa_7376> This chat might be a better place for the question I wanted to post anyway. I am looking at using portable apps to keep app data out of my (limited space) personal space file on Puppy Linux. Would this be workable, once portable apps are available for linux?
02:38:14 <JohnTHaller> In theory it should. We don't do Linux directly yet. We do support Wine (and its variants) very well. Though I don't think Wine will work under Puppy.
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02:39:23 <george2> Hey John. Quick question: Will PAM 2.0 include the Aero theme, or are you still working on that?
02:39:53 <pa_7376> Thanks John! FYI, Wine does work under Puppy, although so far i've only run the mini-apps that came with the puppy wine package.
02:40:07 <JohnTHaller> george2: It won't. It may include an aero-like theme. But the true aero theme will arrive a few weeks later. I'm still tweaking it.
02:40:27 <george2> Ok, thanks :)
02:40:40 <JohnTHaller> pa_7376: Ah I didn't know that. In that case, the menu, backup, installers, launchers and all our tools as well as most of our apps will run just fine under Wine
02:41:00 <JohnTHaller> george2: Sure thing. We're going to be tweaking it a bit and making it available for other themers once we release it.
02:41:17 <pa_7376> Thanks for your help guys. I'm now registered as Ausvirgo. Bye!
02:41:42 <JohnTHaller> pa_7376: Sure thing. See you around the site!
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05:06:12 <DannyMuniz> wow the room is emty today
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10:28:36 <ChrisMorgan> Finally our metrics on ohloh are approximately right - https://www.ohloh.net/p/portableapps/analyses/latest - now all we need is for the Platform to be in it.
10:30:47 <ChrisMorgan> Over 20,000 lines of code (plus another almost 7,000 of blanks and comments), over 10,000 lines total of NSIS :-)
10:31:11 <DannyMuniz> yea i see that! XD
10:32:15 <DannyMuniz> that is cool man, I just can't wait to see the new platform in action!
10:35:58 <ChrisMorgan> John was talking of learning hg and using an hg repository properly after 2.0; I'm planning on encouraging him in that. Version control makes me happy :-)
10:36:36 <DannyMuniz> what is hg?
10:38:59 <ChrisMorgan> http://mercurial.selenic.com/
10:39:15 <DannyMuniz> man this is the best Xion music player skin that has been made http://tinyurl.com/65xelxs
10:42:06 <benedikt93> having the platform in hg would indeed be nice :)
10:42:41 <DannyMuniz> it sounds interesting and it looks it too
10:44:20 <benedikt93> it could especially make the development process more transparent, IMO
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10:47:30 <DannyMuniz> man ill be honest i have a hard time learnin how to use PAL and it would nice to learn a nother programing language if it was not for my dislexia
11:19:18 <DannyMuniz> well guys it is morning here and im going to bed, I gues im like the bats XD
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16:19:00 <george2> .tell ChrisMorgan That PA development toolkit looks pretty neat. Can't wait to see the finished product!
16:19:45 <george2> Oops! Shoulda looked first. GizmoBot isn't here...
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16:21:52 <george2> Sure, as soon as I leave :P
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16:22:18 <george2> .tell ChrisMorgan That PA development toolkit looks pretty neat. Can't wait to see the finished product!
16:22:19 <GizmoBot> george2: I'll pass that on when ChrisMorgan is around.
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18:00:51 <george2> Who made Blender Portable?
18:01:55 <OliverK> IDK
18:01:59 <OliverK> check
18:02:01 <OliverK> :)
18:02:37 <george2> "Publisher: PortableApps.com (Geoff Shearsmith) and the Blender team" ?
18:02:39 <agdurrette> I think http://portableapps.com/user/2915
18:02:49 <OliverK> tanisthalon
18:04:09 <george2> Ok, I didn't think "Geoff Shearsmith" sounded right.
18:04:34 <george2> Do you know how he got Python bundled into it?
18:04:51 <george2> I can't tell from looking at it.
18:06:58 <george2> I'd like to make this --> http://www.digital-forensic.org/ portable, but I don't know how Blender was made.
18:07:46 <george2> A portable Volatility Framework would be awesome too. They both need python.
18:14:09 <george2> Is there documentation somewhere?
18:14:43 <agdurrette> I dont know :/
18:15:06 <OliverK> if its python scripts you just need python portable
18:15:20 <OliverK> if its compiled python you would follow the techniques in gPodder or Blender
18:15:38 <george2> VF is just scripts, but DFF is compled.
18:16:00 <george2> That's what i'm looking for. What are the techniques used in gPodder and Blender?
18:16:14 <OliverK> IDK, check the source
18:17:33 <george2> Oh... there it is. I must have a corrupted package or something.
18:18:10 <OliverK> if you could install it then it isn't corrupt
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18:18:32 <george2> Hm.. You're right. It had a checksum, didn't it.
18:18:33 <OliverK> there is a CRC check that insure that the installer wasn't corrupt
18:18:51 <george2> I don't seem to have all the files, though.
18:19:11 <george2> I have /App/Blender, but not /App/Python26
18:19:33 <OliverK> blender's probably compiled then
18:19:41 <OliverK> i'm not to familiar with the package
18:20:14 <george2> btw, it's "CRC", not "CRC check". You said check twice. :P
18:20:24 <OliverK> lol
18:20:51 <george2> "Cyclic redundancy check"
18:21:22 <OliverK> lol
18:21:32 <OliverK> I was repeating myself reduntantly
18:21:49 <george2> :D
18:22:33 <benedikt93> george2, Blender needs Python only for scripts, the app itself is compiled
18:23:35 <benedikt93> and I think you can choose on install of the portable version whether you want it to be installed alongside, so this might explain why it wasn't there for you
18:23:43 <george2> I don;t know much abt that kind of stuff. All i know is that if you try to run normal Blender w/o python, it just quits. I'm guessing the DFF is the same way.
18:24:04 <george2> Oh... That's probably it.
18:24:28 <OliverK> that's like openoffice and java
18:24:34 <OliverK> no java, openoffice quits
18:25:23 <george2> Yeah. Like that java bundled thing. I often have to use a PC where the installed Java is corrupted somehow, and LO uses JavaPortable instead.
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18:26:27 <george2> Oops- i meant "I like that java"
18:27:13 <OliverK> yeah
18:27:20 <OliverK> java sucks
18:27:27 <george2> ?
18:28:07 <george2> How so?
18:28:41 <OliverK> its slow, its horrid from a coder's standpoint
18:29:02 <george2> Java was my first language.
18:29:25 <george2> It is slow, though. I know what you mean there.
18:29:26 <OliverK> lol
18:29:33 <OliverK> hehe, mostly the slow thing
18:29:48 <OliverK> I think it also gets used inappropriately for web stuff quite often
18:29:59 <OliverK> here's looking at you, blackboard
18:30:08 <george2> Ugh!
18:30:27 <george2> Definitely understand that one!
18:30:49 <OliverK> LOL!
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18:31:00 <OliverK> i haven't found a single person that likes blackboard.
18:31:17 <OliverK> your connection seems more stable today, weather better today?
18:31:38 <george2> Who would? It sucks. Flash/Java/Ancient technologies...
18:31:49 <george2> It's clear out.
18:32:13 <OliverK> teachers who have had the class configured in blackboard for the past 10 years
18:33:57 <george2> BB keeps killing my session if I take to long on a test. Once, I lost half the answers. I learned to save more often after that :)
18:34:34 <OliverK> i had a buddy on dialup
18:34:45 <OliverK> it would keep running the timer even when he lost his connection
18:35:23 <george2> I don't have timed tests. I guess i'm lucky there.
18:35:32 <OliverK> all of my BB tests are timed
18:35:40 <OliverK> I like moodle
18:35:50 <OliverK> server side as opposed to client side :)
18:36:20 <george2> Ah. Waste up all their processing instead of mine :)
18:36:46 <OliverK> stram date
18:37:05 <OliverK> plus I can have multiple tabs of content open in moodle
18:37:21 <OliverK> much nicer then blackboard. of course, blackboard was written for IE6
18:37:22 <george2> ?
18:37:31 <george2> :D
18:38:31 <OliverK> i can only have one blackboard page open and only one pop up
18:38:47 <OliverK> if i want to look at a teacher hand out, i have to print it or save it or whatever
18:38:48 <george2> Weird. I have as many tabs as I want.
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18:39:12 <OliverK> newr version of blackboard then
18:39:20 <OliverK> i think i did find that on a diff version that i used
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18:48:06 <george2> Gotta go. Bye!
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