IRC Log from 2011-05-17
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00:21:11 <DannyMuniz> this is one something you guys have to keep an eye http://gizmodo.com/5802410/these-cute-brownies-will-literally-knock-you-unconscious
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02:04:56 <agdurrette> Hi JohnTHaller
02:05:09 <agdurrette> did you get my email?
02:05:12 <DannyMuniz> hey john!
02:05:16 <JohnTHaller> hi agdurrette. which one?
02:05:19 <JohnTHaller> hi DannyMuniz
02:05:36 <agdurrette> the one with gpodder 2.15
02:06:29 <JohnTHaller> Ah yes. Thanks. It's one of the 1/2 dozen apps I
02:06:31 <JohnTHaller> m updating now.
02:07:27 <DannyMuniz> ah man don't tell me you are going to have an update marathon tonight
02:07:30 <agdurrette> :D I still have no clue how you handle all that at the same time :P
02:08:22 <JohnTHaller> I'm usually better about app updates, but I've been finishing up the last bits of the platform update in the time I'm not working on the two business issues.
02:08:42 <JohnTHaller> Ok, there's Chrome Beta: http://portableapps.com/news/2011-05-16_-_google_chrome_portable_12.0.742.53_beta
02:15:48 <JohnTHaller> agdurrette: You forgot the launcher.py updates for the release. I added them in.
02:17:54 <agdurrette> I thought I copied it from gpodder portable 2.14 :/
02:18:00 <JohnTHaller> On the 2.0 front, the updater/app directory translation setups are updated and working (including swapping in subcategory for description). And the 3rd aero-style (though not true aero yet) chrome for theming is done. I have screenshots if anyone would like to see.
02:18:16 <JohnTHaller> agdurrette: You need to manually update the script for each release. You can't just copy the old one.
02:18:39 <agdurrette> Oh
02:19:42 <JohnTHaller> Category translations are done. Though for smart mode (default screen after favorites) I'm just gonna use total app launch counts for now to determine popularity of apps on the default screen rather than a rolling 5 day total as the code for that is kinda broken.
02:20:15 <JohnTHaller> Here's Aerish: http://portableapps.com/temp/platform2/aerishtheme.png http://portableapps.com/temp/platform2/aerishblacktheme.png
02:20:52 <DannyMuniz> they look nice man i love them
02:20:54 <DannyMuniz> XD
02:21:18 <agdurrette> Sweet :D
02:21:33 <JohnTHaller> Same setup as the other two (Beveled and Flat) where you can pick your color. And it'll work whether or not Aero is enabled or supported on the current PC and regardless of its own color.
02:21:59 <DannyMuniz> nice
02:22:32 <JohnTHaller> It's not aero - as we wanted for 2.0 - but it's really close and I think it will mostly scratch that itch for people for now.
02:23:06 <JohnTHaller> Plus themers will be able to use it with other stuff ( http://portableapps.com/temp/platform2/aerishrainbowtheme.png ) and it'll serve as a fallback for true Aero glass once we enable it.
02:24:18 <DannyMuniz> JohnTHaller: i was woundering, will the new platform allow people to make there own categories besides the ones that it will have by default?
02:24:25 <JohnTHaller> Of course.
02:24:35 <JohnTHaller> But new apps will automatically be added to the existing 10.
02:24:49 <DannyMuniz> cool :D that is fine with me
02:33:43 <JohnTHaller> gPodder is up: http://portableapps.com/news/2011-05-16_-_gpodder_portable_2.15_released
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05:21:44 <DannyMuniz> well guys im off for the night see you all tomorow
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09:50:30 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Battle for Wesnoth 1.8.6 is available.
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13:10:41 <GizmoBot> D_D is agdurrette, most likely he is on minecraft.
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14:53:44 <GizmoBot> agdurrette is awesome! nuff said.
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15:25:18 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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17:09:31 <Rahooty> Hello?
17:10:18 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Do you want to ask something?
17:10:38 <Rahooty> I think this portable app thing you guys have going is great, but I would like to make a sugestion....
17:11:20 <Rahooty> part of the reason we use the portable apps is that we have no admin rights, and in some cases cannot download .exe files
17:12:10 <Rahooty> it would be nice id the option to download the apps in a 7zip format too, then we could use 7zip to expand the .exe and run it....
17:15:07 <ZachThibeau> there is no real difference between using compressed 7z archives made self extracting over our nsis installers to be honest, the NSIS based installers are more user friendly imfo
17:15:09 <ZachThibeau> **imho
17:18:10 <Rahooty> the problem is, many administrators do not allow executable files to be downloaded for malicious reasons, if the executable could be zipped, it could then be downloaed, then unzipped, then executed...
17:20:19 <TPFC-SYSTEM> I think it's a better idea to discuss about the restrictions with the administrators instead of attempting to workaround them.
17:26:08 <Rahooty> I disagree, opening the ability to download exe opens a network to danger, the idea of portable apps is to work around admin restrictions and run from a portable device without access to registry etc... downloading a zip and extracting an exe, and installing it on a thumb drive is no different than going home, downloading the exe, installing it on the thumb drive and taking it to work and runing it on the thumb drive?
17:27:12 <Rahooty> if I were a system administrator I too would not allow downloading .exe files...
17:27:23 <Alley^Away> if you're not allowed to run a SFX, you probably won't be allowed to run an exe from the drive anyway?
17:27:47 <Alley^Away> ah, the download issue itself
17:28:23 <Rahooty> I don't think you should change the ability to download the conveinent exe... but also allow it to be downloaded in the zip format.
17:29:49 <Rahooty> I have downloaded the exe to my phone, renamed it to .old instead of .exe, emailed it to myself on my work computer, saved it, renamed it and executed it and installed it on my thumb drive on my work computer....
17:30:11 <benedikt93> "and run from a portable device without access to registry" <--portable apps CAN access the registry, write files, whatever on the PC
17:30:32 <Rahooty> its not the execution once you get it, but a good admin will normally not allow downloads of exe from a non trusted site (blocked by router)
17:30:45 <Alley^Away> thats 1) working around the allowed limitations set by your admin, and 2) pretty lousy policy setup IMHO
17:34:52 <Rahooty> I cannot run a portable app (any app) that accesses the registry, it requires admin privilages, and the only way it can be called portable when accessing the registry is if it cleans up the registry on exit... (in my opinion an app should never access the registry unless absolutly nessesary) and bad policy or not, If I could change it, I would not need to work off a thumb drive...
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17:39:45 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Rahooty: Administrators can't prohibit registry access. The branch HKEY_CURRENT_USER is always writable.
17:40:54 <Rahooty> I understand that, many programs access local machine and should not or don't need to making the program unable to be made portable...
17:42:28 <TPFC-SYSTEM> PortableApps.com Launcher doesn't workaround admin privilege requirements. AFAIK, all non-portable counterparts of PA.c applications are able to run without admin rights.
17:42:44 <Rahooty> portability is not the issue here, it is good policy for an administrator to limit downloading of exe extensions for security reasons. and this forces somone with admin rights to download a program that does not need admin rights to install...
17:43:16 <TPFC-SYSTEM> I agree that offering zip or 7z files would be nice.
17:45:23 <Rahooty> 7zip is a portable (excelent) portable program I have installed on my thumb drive, if the portable apps on this site were also offered in 7zip format for download, I could download any portable app that becomes available on my thumb drive, use 7zip to unzip it, then execute it on my thumb drive and install it on the portable apps menu...
17:46:38 <Rahooty> otherwise I have to go home, download it and install it on my thumb drive then go to work, plug my thumb drive in and use it the next day...
17:48:22 <TPFC-SYSTEM> BTW, the winPenPack project distributes portable applications in the ZIP format.
17:50:39 <Rahooty> I did not know about that project, but I love the format of the portable apps site, another button next to the download button that is there to download the same (exe) file in zip format would still make your site nice and user friendly...
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17:55:47 <Rahooty> Thanks for your time and listening... love the site and hope this was the place to make a suggestion...
17:59:25 <Gizmokid2005> Rahooty: hang on
17:59:33 <Gizmokid2005> are you talking about having problems running installers?
17:59:38 <Gizmokid2005> (just browsed the scrollback)
17:59:44 <Gizmokid2005> because of permissions?
17:59:58 <Gizmokid2005> if you can save the file, you can unpack any of our installers with 7zip...
18:01:01 <Rahooty> no sir, the installer works great, and would not want that to change, just take the installer (the portable app that is downloaded) and offer it (as an executable just like it is) but zipped..
18:02:33 <Rahooty> the problem is, most administrators dont allow downloads of exe files for security reasons... so if the exe file was 7zip'd (then it does not have a exe extension until unzipped) it could be downloaded, unzipped, executed and installed to the portable apps menu...
18:02:44 <Rahooty> the problem is not the installer, but the exe download....
18:02:50 <Gizmokid2005> ahh, that was the question
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19:10:35 <Simeon> hi all
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19:17:52 <spgSCOTT> PA.c is very slow at the moment...timing out as well...
19:18:21 <ZachThibeau> spgSCOTT: PortableApps.com is a high traffic site, it's bound to happen every now and then
19:18:50 <spgSCOTT> yeah I know...just not used to it :D
19:19:02 <Simeon> hi Zach
19:20:03 <ZachThibeau> hi Simeon
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20:46:41 <GizmoBot> ptmb knows a lot about HTML+CSS, besides that, he is just a lunatic...
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21:18:37 <pa_0005> hello. i have the following problem: every time i unplug and reinsert my usb stick, the apps dont work anymore. my stick is formatted in fat, 1 GB in size
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22:02:19 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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22:53:01 <DannyMuniz> hy everyone! :)
22:53:21 <DannyMuniz> ChrisMorgan: I running in to a bit of troble with PAL... I am using it for mY PAD-Kit and when I close it and try to rename or move the file I find that PAD-Kit is still running even after it has been closed for over one iminute or 60 minutes. Any ideas?
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23:20:29 <ChrisMorgan> DannyMuniz: ProgramExecutable?
23:22:01 <DannyMuniz> when i close the program and it dose close the ini file that says appname.exe is still runnig but in reality is not
23:32:26 <ChrisMorgan> DannyMuniz: please post your launcher.ini
23:33:25 <DannyMuniz> here it is http://tinypaste.com/fe137
23:34:20 <DannyMuniz> is simple since the program is alredy portable all it needs to do is launche the program and nothing more
23:34:50 <ChrisMorgan> And you've checked the process list to ensure that PortableApps.comDevelopersKit.exe isn't still running?
23:34:57 <ChrisMorgan> And your launcher is not PortableApps.comDevelopersKit.exe?
23:35:16 <ChrisMorgan> That last is most likely
23:38:32 <DannyMuniz> yes but the program fully closes but the ini file in the Data folder. http://tinypaste.com/fe137
23:39:13 <DannyMuniz> that ini file in the data folder dose not go away
23:39:39 <ChrisMorgan> Both are called PortableApps.comDevelopersKit.exe. You shouldn't do that.
23:40:28 <ChrisMorgan> (BTW, you could use WaitForProgram=false with that config)
23:40:54 <DannyMuniz> ok i can change that and see if it makes a diference, but this has not happend before.
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