IRC Log from 2011-06-01

00:01:58 <kAlug> hi ChrisMorgan
00:02:28 <ChrisMorgan> Hey kAlug
00:02:59 <kAlug> I'm finishing the SaveLanguage docs... trying to figure out what to write in the release notes.
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00:36:01 <kAlug> ChrisMorgan: if you aren't busy at the moment, can you take a look at http://kyra.kalug.net:49201/releases/2.2.html#save-the-language-easily ?
00:37:31 <ChrisMorgan> kAlug: sorry, busy at the moment finishing off my passport application and then I'll be going and getting photos printed, guaranteeing stuff done, submitting it and going to work.
00:37:37 <ChrisMorgan> May get to it this evening.
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00:39:49 <kAlug> OK, thanks.
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03:13:05 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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04:45:33 <bibu> !tell george2 I managed to open the port and I was able to connect from a remote PC, so thanks a million for this!
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14:17:27 <pa_9944> Can I change the folders in the platform? Pictures, Music, Videos to a different folder
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15:14:06 <GizmoBot> ...
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15:38:35 <BrOwNeYeZ> Hi
15:39:44 <BrOwNeYeZ> Is it possible to make ts3 portable?
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15:59:30 <pa_3721> hello, what is the next best thing to "ccleaner and glary utilities" in PA ?
16:05:41 <kAlug> pa_3721: I'm not sure if this is what you want, but we have http://portableapps.com/apps/utilities/disk_cleaner_portable and http://portableapps.com/apps/utilities/bleachbit_portable
16:08:46 <pa_3721> kAlug: thanks.. i saw those but ccleaner and GlaryUtilities have lots of tools built into them which is like a "all in one". but thanks anyway
16:12:10 <pa_3721> i was also wondering if there is a way for me to clean up and save some space by getting rid of the foreign language files from many of the PApps without compromising on features and functionality?
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17:03:30 <Guest18313> hello, how do i keep one name "newbie" to display in any IRC. I am using KVirc
17:05:28 <TPFC-SYSTEM> You can't keep it.
17:05:34 <TPFC-SYSTEM> It's registered.
17:06:00 <TPFC-SYSTEM> "/msg nickserv info newbie"
17:06:31 <Guest18313> that is my own nickname that i have used in the past
17:07:24 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Did you register it?
17:07:39 <Guest18313> i'm assuming i did :)
17:08:05 <Guest18313> some time back
17:09:43 <TPFC-SYSTEM> If you remember the password, you can just log in:
17:09:51 <TPFC-SYSTEM> "/msg nickserv identify newbie <password>"
17:10:21 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Alternatively (this is from official freenode FAQ):
17:10:25 <TPFC-SYSTEM> "What do I do if I forget my password? If you forget your password, but still have access to the email account that is associated with the IRC account, staff can send a password reset email. Simply ask in #freenode or PM a staff member to have the email sent."
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17:14:35 <Guest18313> do i type this "/msg nicserv identify newbie <password>" without the quotes and my password ?
17:15:00 <kAlug> yep
17:15:38 <Guest18313> i was on a borrowed internet i think when i created it and cannot remember which email i used
17:16:12 <TPFC-SYSTEM> :(
17:17:34 <Guest18313> when i configured the KVIRC with PApper it automatically gave me the "newbie" and changed it to Guest???
17:17:50 <Guest18313> i'm new to all this so i don't know what i am doing..lol
17:18:18 <Guest18313> but the name "newbie" reminded me that i had used before some time back
17:19:32 <Guest18313> let me see if i can log in with the 'newbie'
17:19:36 <Guest18313> brb
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17:22:05 <newbie|3> ok.. so it connected but why "newbie|3"?
17:22:41 <newbie|3> and will always be newbie|3 whenever i log in?
17:23:30 <TPFC-SYSTEM> I don't know, because I don't use KVIrc myself.
17:23:54 <TPFC-SYSTEM> 'newbie' may be the default username of KVIrc.
17:23:56 <newbie|3> i'm using the PA version
17:24:03 <newbie|3> ah
17:24:38 <newbie|3> well no.. because the borrowed internet was a "clear" modem
17:25:02 <newbie|3> so i recognize the ip address after the @ sign
17:25:42 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Freenode is one of the few IRC networks which have nick protection feature. :/
17:25:42 <newbie|3> i mean the domain address
17:28:39 <newbie|3> oh well .. never mind
17:29:46 <newbie|3> i was wondering how to reclaim space on my fash drive .. do i need all the language files that come with all the portable apps
17:31:02 <newbie|3> can i just get rid of them without compromizing on the features or funtionality
17:31:28 <TPFC-SYSTEM> I think most of the language files can be safely removed.
17:31:44 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Of course, they will be back after the next update.
17:32:24 <newbie|3> hehe
17:33:05 <newbie|3> that might mess up my update..
17:33:25 <newbie|3> i might be out of space
17:33:56 <newbie|3> i have 20 mb remaining on a 1 gb flash drive
17:34:04 <newbie|3> pretty thin
17:35:14 <newbie|3> probably just start fresh on a 4gb drive
17:35:23 <george2> http://www.pendriveapps.com/find-lost-disk-space-spacesniffer/
17:37:13 <TPFC-SYSTEM> I'd say that four gigabytes is enough. :) My current collection of portable applications uses 3,4 GB.
17:38:19 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Anyway, I'm happy that I use a mechanical hard drive (640 GB, 16 of them allocated to applications). B-)
17:39:38 <george2> I have 4 PAMs, one with 802MB of apps, one with 1.6 GB, one with 1 GB, and my main one with 4.1 GB of Apps
17:40:25 <george2> Plus more PAMs that I don't keep on a thumb.
17:41:22 <newbie|3> TPFC-SYSTEM: you use mechanical 'external' hard drive?
17:41:36 <TPFC-SYSTEM> That's right.
17:42:48 <newbie|3> i know SSD will eventually die with read/write.. and you cannot defrag them.. but they are just convenient
17:43:56 <newbie|3> what is the largest in capacity and smallest in mechanical external hard drive?
17:44:05 <newbie|3> aand fastest
17:45:01 <george2> I have a wallett sized WD 1 TB (~1024 GB) external, that's pretty fast. Costs abou $60
17:45:37 <newbie|3> and pretty robust?
17:45:56 <george2> Somebody I know recommends SeaGate instead of WD as better quality. The WD is a little flimsy, imo
17:46:31 <george2> Every time I wiggle the USB cord, it disconnects.
17:46:37 <newbie|3> can an external usb drive have multiple partition and choice of booting systems (linux)
17:46:43 <george2> Yep.
17:47:04 <george2> I do that on my thumb drive.
17:47:16 <newbie|3> and if it disconnects then it corrupts.. right
17:47:56 <newbie|3> do you use a utility or just format with linux
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17:48:02 <TPFC-SYSTEM> My drive contains five partitions now (disk order: GNU/Linux, programs, temporary, disk images, other data).
17:48:04 <george2> Pretty much, yeah. I had NTFS's sys service cause a few BSODs on my because of disk corruption on the external.
17:48:06 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
17:48:20 <george2> *on me
17:48:31 <george2> For the USB? I use UBCD.
17:49:18 <TPFC-SYSTEM> My disk order is intentional, BTW. The beginning is the fastest area of any mechanical HD.
17:49:19 <newbie|3> so PA, linux, windows can all go on a flash drive?
17:49:39 <TPFC-SYSTEM> newbie|3: Yes.
17:49:49 <george2> Nice, TPFC-SYSTEM. Never thought of that.
17:50:20 <george2> Windows would only go if you had a >20 GB flash drive, butother than that, no prob.
17:50:20 <newbie|3> TPFC-SYSTEM: hmm.. could you expand on that thought?
17:50:36 <newbie|3> george2: i c
17:51:21 <newbie|3> ok if i was trouble shooting someone's pc for all kinds of reasons then what is a best tool to have
17:52:08 <george2> Depends on a lot of stuff, including how you feel about cli and Linux
17:52:29 <newbie|3> most of the linux os come with pretty nifty tools but what is the ultimate technicians collection
17:52:47 <george2> I like UBCD- Ultimate Boot CD
17:52:54 <newbie|3> i'm not an expert but getting better at cli
17:53:13 <newbie|3> yes
17:53:16 <TPFC-SYSTEM> The density of data is constant in mechanical HDs. As a result, the outer edge contains much more data than the inner.
17:53:33 <newbie|3> really
17:53:49 <newbie|3> i thought the sectors were all the same
17:53:53 <george2> The inner part is faster to read, too, because it can spin faster.
17:54:00 <newbie|3> true
17:54:07 <newbie|3> because of less travel time
17:54:13 <george2> yep
17:54:16 <TPFC-SYSTEM> george2: Every part spins at the same speed.
17:54:25 <george2> :P You know what I mean
17:55:00 <newbie|3> only if the arm has to travel a distance .. does use up computer time
17:55:32 <george2> That's why Defraggler moves everything to the beginning of the drive- makes it faster.
17:56:18 <newbie|3> what happens in a flash drive? with so much delete/install/ etc.. and no defrag opportunity
17:56:39 <george2> Don;t defrag a flash drive.
17:56:57 <TPFC-SYSTEM> On flash drives, there are no speed differences between the different areas.
17:57:21 <newbie|3> i used jkdefrag on one W7 and i totally messed it up so i re-did it with 'smart defrag' and i returned to normal
17:57:48 <newbie|3> TPFC-SYSTEM: george2.. true.. thanks
17:58:04 <george2> I don't like Smart Defrag, just because of that IOBit stuff.
17:58:21 <newbie|3> oh
17:59:01 <newbie|3> so defraggler is better than the others?
17:59:34 <newbie|3> i used to like jkdefrag but i think it is great till winxp
17:59:49 <george2> That's just my opinion. I don't have anything to back it up.
18:00:07 <newbie|3> you have used it on W7?
18:00:22 <george2> Yep. Works like a charm.
18:00:27 <newbie|3> k
18:01:01 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Myself, I use MyDefragPowerGUI: http://www.wieldraaijer.nl/
18:01:25 <george2> Haven't heard of that one. I'll check it out.
18:01:50 <TPFC-SYSTEM> IMO, the best defragmenter is just a matter of opinion.
18:02:04 <newbie|3> TPFC-SYSTEM: yes.. isn't that an offshoot of jkdefrag
18:02:19 <george2> I agree. Defraggler haz colorz. :)
18:02:24 <newbie|3> i think jk has stopped development
18:02:39 <TPFC-SYSTEM> MyDefrag is the successor of JkDefrag.
18:02:45 <newbie|3> right
18:03:03 <newbie|3> but they don't have a PA version
18:03:07 <TPFC-SYSTEM> MyDefragGUI and MyDefragPowerGUI are alternative user interfaces for MyDefrag.
18:03:37 <george2> Oh, ok.
18:03:39 <newbie|3> are they both free
18:03:48 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Yes, they are.
18:04:09 <newbie|3> and do they have a portable version
18:05:03 <newbie|3> btw can a non portable app be integrated with the PA menu
18:05:04 <TPFC-SYSTEM> AFAIK, they both are portable.
18:05:26 <TPFC-SYSTEM> MyDefragPowerGUI requests elevation at startup, however.
18:06:02 <TPFC-SYSTEM> http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#addingotherapps
18:06:16 <george2> Defragmenters need elevation for low level work.
18:06:20 <newbie|3> but i dint see these apps on the PA site
18:06:50 <TPFC-SYSTEM> PortableApps.com only lists portable software in the PAF format.
18:07:01 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Most portable software is not in that format.
18:07:51 <newbie|3> ic
18:07:53 <newbie|3> thanks
18:08:31 <TPFC-SYSTEM> You're welcome. :)
18:10:05 <newbie|3> so then i can integrate ccleaner and glary utilities in PA
18:10:27 <newbie|3> but then when i update will it update those too?
18:10:47 <newbie|3> currently i have to manually update clamav and spybot
18:11:15 <TPFC-SYSTEM> No, because they're not in the database of PortableApps.com.
18:11:26 <TPFC-SYSTEM> You'd have to update them manually. :(
18:11:45 <newbie|3> but clamav and spybot are and yet they require manual update
18:11:54 <george2> CCleaner does make registry entries, just fyi.
18:12:17 <george2> clamav and spybot get program updates from PA, not definition updates.
18:12:27 <newbie|3> right
18:13:34 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Only 12 % of the portable programs I use are in the PAF format.
18:13:50 <TPFC-SYSTEM> I use WebVersions to monitor updates.
18:13:51 <TPFC-SYSTEM> http://www.portablefreeware.com/index.php?id=1534
18:14:25 <newbie|3> so when i am done with ccleaner from my flash drive and remove the drive will it leave some trace in the host pc registry?
18:15:05 <george2> Yep.
18:15:29 <george2> Defraggler, Speccy, Recuva, CCleaner, all make reg entries.
18:17:56 <TPFC-SYSTEM> george2: Do you have a source for that?
18:18:34 <george2> For what?
18:18:37 <TPFC-SYSTEM> I might need to edit TPFC's entry of CCleaner (we list CCleaner as 'stealth', meaning that it doesn't make reg entries).
18:19:31 <george2> Oh. Yeah, I looked in my reg.
18:19:59 <george2> It's under hkey_local_machine\Software\Piriform\CCleaner
18:20:26 <TPFC-SYSTEM> OK. Will test right now.
18:21:41 <george2> You canjust reg query hkey_local_machine\Software\Piriform\CCleaner after you run it to see what it leaves.
18:26:22 <newbie|3> i like the PA menu .. it's clean and organized and pleasant to look at..
18:27:21 <newbie|3> if one was troubleshooting for a living then what would be best thing to have and always current and update with a simple click
18:28:07 <newbie|3> currently PA is very streamlined and one click updates all apps except definitions
18:28:40 <TPFC-SYSTEM> george2: I can't confirm that. I ran the official portable version of CCleaner, and I still don't have the registry key HKLM\SOFTWARE\Piriform at all.
18:28:46 <newbie|3> i saw the "Webversion" and trying to understand
18:29:26 <newbie|3> TPFC-SYSTEM: is there a portable version of ccleaner
18:29:44 <TPFC-SYSTEM> http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner/builds
18:32:11 <newbie|3> TPFC-SYSTEM: thanks.. my flash drive is an older one so i should not be getting teh ..U3 version.. right
18:33:00 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Very few Flash drives are U3 compatible.
18:33:10 <TPFC-SYSTEM> http://www.u3.com/
18:33:26 <TPFC-SYSTEM> The domain is parked.
18:33:46 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Basically, U3 is dead.
18:34:14 <TPFC-SYSTEM> So, you shouldn't download the U3 version.
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18:40:21 <george2> TPFC-SYSTEM: Hm. Wierd. Do you want a .reg paste of my ccleaner entry?
18:41:10 <TPFC-SYSTEM> http://www.portablefreeware.com/index.php?id=885#7853
18:41:21 <TPFC-SYSTEM> "When it is used portably and set to save settings to an ini file, it will delete the registry keys of any version that is installed on the computer running it, if it is installed."
18:41:29 <TPFC-SYSTEM> It may be true.
18:42:22 <TPFC-SYSTEM> In that case, CCleaner is 'stealth' if you don't use it on a computer that already has CCleaner installed.
18:44:15 <george2> I used it on a computer w/o ccleaner installed. I forgot about that ini setting. I'll have to chech that.
18:44:23 <george2> *check
18:45:20 <TPFC-SYSTEM> The file portable.dat forces portable mode on, and the official portable version includes that file...
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18:58:48 <TPFC-SYSTEM> OK, I haven't managed to get CCleaner to write to the registry at all when portable.dat is present (despite multiple attempts).
18:59:13 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Even when it's absent, the Piriform key is under HKCU, not HKLM.
19:03:53 <george2> Weird. And I was using the portable version, too.
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19:09:26 <TPFC-SYSTEM> With all this information, I'm going to leave our CCleaner entry as-is.
19:09:51 <TPFC-SYSTEM> I don't claim that you're lying, I just can't confirm your observations. :|
19:11:27 <george2> :) No prob.
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