IRC Log from 2011-07-03
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00:58:14 <GizmoBot> zachthibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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01:35:19 <_mike> hello
01:35:30 <_mike> im making my first portable app
01:35:42 <_mike> its a .net app
01:36:17 <_mike> it use clickonce
01:38:49 <_mike> gizmokid2005
01:38:56 <_mike> maienM
01:39:03 <Mir> dont ping
01:39:15 <Gizmokid2005> _mike: don't ping. .Net apps cannot be made portable right now.
01:39:20 <Gizmokid2005> because of their .NET dependency.
01:39:39 <_mike> what happens if your going to use it one pc that have .net
01:39:52 <Gizmokid2005> then it doesn't matter if it's portable now does it?
01:39:55 <Mir> it has to have a specific version of .net
01:40:18 <Mir> forexample there is a program i like that requires .net 4.0
01:40:38 <Mir> could not use it at work because we didnt have .net at all
01:41:47 * Mir beats Gizmokid2005 with a well endowed female cosplayer from the anime convention in los angeles
01:42:10 <Gizmokid2005> Mir: you know better.
01:42:15 <Mir> :3
01:57:18 <_mike> http://paste.ubuntu.com/637223/
01:57:24 <_mike> here the changes
01:57:29 <_mike> im still lost
01:58:33 <_mike> the pc i want to use this portable app on all have .net
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02:09:21 <_mike> is there anyone who can help me?
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03:04:13 <horusofoz> I have been interested in developing PortableApps for some time but have been unable to follow the current docs. I am interested in providing some small financial sum to start a project to develop an illustrated guide with explanations and exercises for using PAL. Just wondering if there is any interest in such a project for other beginners and any interest in contributing text to it by devs.
03:08:33 <horusofoz> Would any of the devs here consider contributing an exercise or 2 or making any other instructional contribution to such a proposed guide?
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03:09:17 <kAlug_> horusofoz: I can contribute by explaining some steps.
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03:11:21 <kAlug_> Making a portable app involves 5 steps: 1-get; 2-check portability; 3-make PAF files (appinfo.ini etc.); 4-make launcher and 5-publish.
03:13:43 <kAlug_> This means a 5-chapter guide.
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03:20:18 <horusofoz> kAlug_: Cool. ATM I am wanting to identify a project manager for the proposal. I am hoping to engage Chris Morgan as none would know PAL me than he. The guide would be illustrated, and include the five basic sections as you've outlined and exercises to practice for each step (composing a full walkthrough overall) and finally a few full walkthroughs/challenges at the end.
03:21:23 <horusofoz> **PAL more than he
03:22:08 <horusofoz> Oh and an intro for people who are completely new to PAs
03:22:29 <horusofoz> Basically a completely free PAL for dummies guide
03:24:12 <horusofoz> Any thoughts from long timers like Gizmokid2005 , MaienM , zachthibeau , OliverK , Mir ?
03:27:37 <horusofoz> I would think it would be great for PortableApps.com uptake/adaption to have this in development when the next beta or final PAM comes out.
03:33:27 <horusofoz> kAlug_: Can you send me an email at <nick> at g m a i l so that once I have successfully engaged someone to manage the project I could forward your address to them as a potential contributor?
03:41:03 <kAlug_> horusofoz: Your nickname is the same on the forums (http://portableapps.com/user/70613)? Just confirming you're the same guy.
03:44:16 <horusofoz> Yeah that's me. Unfortunately despite my 3 years around PA.com still haven't managed a single app :(
03:46:17 <kAlug_> horusofoz: sent.
03:47:57 <horusofoz> Cheers. I've emailed my idea and offer to ChrisMorgan and will let you know the outcome.
04:03:22 * Mir beats horusofoz for pinging
04:03:58 <horusofoz> Mir: Pinging?
04:04:08 <Mir> [20:24] <horusofoz> Any thoughts from long timers like Gizmokid2005 , MaienM , zachthibeau , OliverK , Mir ?
04:04:16 <Mir> which i just sadly did
04:04:20 <Mir> T_T
04:04:49 <Mir> when you say more than one nick at a time it sets off a b unch of nick catchers
04:05:24 <horusofoz> My bad. Just trying to see if you guys have any thoughts on the idea.
04:05:51 <horusofoz> Can you explain nick catchers for this unlearned one?
04:06:38 <horusofoz> Oh and of course, any thoughts on the proposal ;)
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04:10:16 <libertyshield> can anybody tell me how I can make McAfee or Trendmicro into a portable app?
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04:12:24 <horusofoz> libertyshield: You cannot. Both the applications are proprietary payware, making it illegal. Also there are technical limitations as AV's integrate into the OS and base applications.
04:13:04 <horusofoz> E.g. Mcafee has addins for Outlook and Internet Explorer.
04:13:05 <libertyshield> Its illegal even if I own it?
04:13:32 <horusofoz> It is my understanding that the software license prohibits you from doing.
04:14:07 <libertyshield> I just want a good antivirus software to run off my flash drive
04:14:19 <libertyshield> I don't see how installing it on a flash drive would be illegal? hmm
04:14:25 <horusofoz> The aforementioned technical limitations are also show stoppers.
04:14:27 <libertyshield> its just a location...
04:15:27 <libertyshield> I downloaded the antivirus software clamwin off the portableapp website though id prefer something like mcafee or trendmicro
04:19:14 <libertyshield> any knowledge of other antivirus softwares?
04:20:00 <horusofoz> ClamWin is portable. It's open source nature allows this to be so. Trend Micro, Mcafee and other AV suites are inherently designed to not be portable to prevent piracy.
04:22:02 <libertyshield> Know of anything though?
04:22:24 <libertyshield> TrendMicro has a portable version but has to connect to the internet which is kind of a big vulnerability
04:23:05 <horusofoz> There is Mcafee's Stinger - http://www.mcafee.com/us/downloads/free-tools/how-to-use-stinger.aspx
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04:23:31 <horusofoz> SuperAnti-Spyware Portable - http://www.superantispyware.com/portablescanner.html
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04:24:45 <DannyMuniz> here is a list of free AV's that may be posible to make portable with permition ofcurse http://www.snapfiles.com/Freeware/security/fwvirus.html
04:24:49 <libertyshield> How do you make any app into a portable version?
04:26:07 <libertyshield> McAfee says ur link may be "risky' DannyMuniz
04:26:46 <DannyMuniz> it's a good link is that they show many free pograms as well as shareware
04:26:58 <horusofoz> I wish I could tell you. I'm currently trying to get a project started to create an illustrated guide to doing so. Here is the current documentation if you are able to follow it - http://portableapps.com/manuals/PortableApps.comLauncher/
04:27:57 <horusofoz> Microsoft Safety Scanner - http://www.microsoft.com/security/scanner/en-us/default.aspx
04:28:47 <horusofoz> libertyshield: Note that though these are advertised as portable AV's there is no guarantee they are equal to PortableApps.com standards.
04:33:25 <DannyMuniz> this is an interesting one http://www.virustotal.com/advanced.html
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04:34:18 <horusofoz> Virustotal is a great online solution though filesize is limited
04:34:39 <horusofoz> Trend Micro House Call - http://housecall.trendmicro.com/au/
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04:38:20 <libertyshield> or even if AVG could be made portable
04:39:17 <DannyMuniz> AVG is imposible to make portable they have tyde the program way to much to windows
04:39:38 <DannyMuniz> tide*
04:39:40 <libertyshield> hmmm
04:41:10 <DannyMuniz> i know cause i tryed to do it and i crashed my pc beon repare... well at list the hardrive was not repareable
04:41:22 <libertyshield> that makes no sense?
04:41:38 <libertyshield> operator error
04:43:28 <DannyMuniz> it was that AVG copyed its files way to many times in the same sector avery time i tryed to run it and it would let me move the files after it was done there for it stated to crash my system
04:43:59 <DannyMuniz> started**
04:49:07 <kAlug> DannyMuniz: are you https://twitter.com/kiriko0809 ?
04:49:23 <DannyMuniz> yea Y?
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04:50:00 <DannyMuniz> lol i forgot i added that link in my profile
04:52:10 <DannyMuniz> you know i have bin debating to change my name here back to kiriko or not...
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10:10:00 <OliverK> Mir: what Idea?
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12:38:37 <devman> hey
12:49:00 <OliverK> heyo
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13:11:55 <devman> Speak, live you?
13:15:20 <TPFC-SYSTEM> :D
13:15:35 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Most people here idle nearly all the time.
13:16:06 <TPFC-SYSTEM> That surprised me as well when I joined this channel some months ago.
13:16:32 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Don't worry, we're all alive. :)
13:18:54 <OliverK> no I'm not.
13:18:58 <OliverK> I'm dead
13:19:04 <OliverK> can I eat your brains?
13:21:23 <TPFC-SYSTEM> You can't. You don't know where I am. :P
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13:25:16 <OliverK> yes I can :D
13:26:03 <TPFC-SYSTEM> :D
13:26:20 <devman> Okay, I art hence
13:26:32 <OliverK> ?
13:26:53 <OliverK> TPFC-SYSTEM: you are in helsinki :D
13:27:14 <TPFC-SYSTEM> How do you know that?
13:27:18 <OliverK> can you see a lake from your house if you look to the north?
13:27:26 <devman> So I come to thee, for I request some help
13:27:41 <devman> May thy help me needed of thee?
13:27:46 <OliverK> none here can ask for help in this room
13:27:50 <TPFC-SYSTEM> OliverK: Maybe...
13:28:00 <OliverK> thou mayest only for explicitly what though needeth
13:28:04 <OliverK> TPFC-SYSTEM: http://aruljohn.com/track.pl
13:28:11 <OliverK> put your IP address into this
13:28:16 <devman> Wow why are you talking so strange
13:28:20 <OliverK> I got your IP by doing a hostname lookup
13:28:38 <devman> Whom's IP
13:28:43 <OliverK> best head to #freenode and ask for a hostname mask, like I have
13:28:49 <OliverK> devman: yours if I wanted :D
13:29:04 <devman> IDK, im using a transperent proxy
13:29:09 <devman> IDC*
13:29:13 <TPFC-SYSTEM> OliverK: OK. There is also another way to learn that.
13:29:18 <TPFC-SYSTEM> E.g. http://www.portablefreeware.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=37660#p37660 ;)
13:29:50 <OliverK> TPFC-SYSTEM: hahaa, but you can put anything in that box :D
13:30:01 * OliverK checks his laundry
13:31:16 <OliverK> bbl
13:31:39 <devman> ok im back
13:31:56 <OliverK> devman: just ask what you need to know about instead of asking to ask
13:32:59 <devman> Oh ok
13:33:07 <devman> Im a new programer
13:33:21 <devman> I started at age 13
13:34:19 <devman> And im making an open source project
13:34:56 <OliverK> right, looking for hosting?
13:35:31 <devman> Umm yes
13:35:34 <devman> But i found one
13:35:36 <OliverK> sourceforge
13:35:38 <OliverK> :D
13:35:41 <devman> Well sort of
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13:36:23 <OliverK|Away> i'll read backlog when I get back
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17:16:35 <GizmoBot> zachthibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
17:16:41 <GizmoBot> zachthibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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17:39:17 <GizmoBot> ptmb knows a lot about HTML+CSS, besides that, he is just a lunatic...
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19:04:32 <Motosuwa> I have a question; is ti possible to host PA.c themes on Dropbox using public links?
19:05:28 <Motosuwa> *it*
19:13:05 <gluxon> Motosuwa: Sure.
19:13:57 <Motosuwa> so then, if I were to make a new Pa.c themes thread and posted the pub links to said thread, I would be able to keep them there and update from my desktop?
19:14:24 <gluxon> Motosuwa: Yep. Tons of people do that :)
19:14:49 <gluxon> Hm.. I'm thinking of starting a new site to replace the old PTC (http://ptc.kain-planet.de/).
19:14:54 <Motosuwa> Ah. Didn't realize that... I should get to that right now then... ^^;
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19:17:17 <Motosuwa> Whatever happened to ptc, anyhow? last I heard, they moved their servers and everything broke...
19:19:29 <gluxon> Motosuwa: I know. Their last status update was over a year ago.
19:19:58 <Motosuwa> Yeah... plus the theming tutorials were never finished....
19:20:13 <Motosuwa> Makes you wonder just what happened.
19:20:52 <gluxon> Guess NeoRame and MrElchbau got busy with their personal lives.
19:21:16 <Motosuwa> Probably. they even stopped posting on PA.c
19:22:48 <gluxon> I definitely have the skills to create a new PTC :-/
19:23:04 <gluxon> Just don't want to hijack NeoRame and MrElchbau's site :-/
19:24:30 <Motosuwa> It'd be something to work on while waiting for the 2.0 PR1.
19:25:02 <Motosuwa> Right now, though, I think all themes should be posted in the General Discussion forum.
19:25:41 <gluxon> Yeah, but that's really messy. It's hard to differentiate from threads and themes.
19:26:13 <Motosuwa> Unless they were posted in one single thread, as it was done before...
19:26:23 <Motosuwa> Just an idea, though
19:29:25 <Motosuwa> I'm gonna go now. Gonna start working on that thread. See ya, and thanks for the help!
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