IRC Log from 2011-07-04
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00:26:45 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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00:48:43 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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03:29:32 <DannyMuniz> kAlug: are you avelable?
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03:31:05 <kAlug> DannyMuniz: Yep.
03:31:49 <DannyMuniz> ok can you gdo a quick check on the mods i did on FRDPortable I wil upload in a min
03:32:01 <DannyMuniz> do*
03:45:19 <DannyMuniz> brb have to walk the dog
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04:01:19 <DannyMuniz> ok im back
04:04:08 <DannyMuniz> kAlug: I used pdfsamPortable as an example to improve this one
04:05:13 <kAlug> DannyMuniz: I've found a couple errors. To start: https://pzt.me/4bfv
04:06:21 <kAlug> Also remainings of the Installer in Other\Source and some mistakes in FRDPortable.ini.
04:06:40 <DannyMuniz> ok
04:07:51 <DannyMuniz> ah you used PA.cDTK i see, i did not use that i forget about it all the time
04:07:58 <DannyMuniz> ok ill fix that
04:11:54 <kAlug> DannyMuniz: Hold on. I'm making some changes on it.
04:11:55 <DannyMuniz> ok they are fixed! ")
04:11:59 <DannyMuniz> ok
04:13:13 <kAlug> There's also a new situation: FRD stores the language and the country separately. PAL is not designed to handle this.
04:13:37 <DannyMuniz> hmm... so how do we deal with that?
04:17:00 <kAlug> By now, using custom code.
04:18:34 <DannyMuniz> that sucks man i have no idea where to start on that...
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05:08:37 <kAlug> DannyMuniz: it seems to store downloads in \Documents\Downloads, but that doesn't exist.
05:08:57 <kAlug> IIRC uTorrent uses %PAL:DataDir%\downloads
05:10:11 <DannyMuniz> I maid it to put it there to make a bit faster to get to but when ever you start the program for the first time you have to a set a default folder
05:11:45 <kAlug> Weird... it didn't asked me.
05:12:29 <DannyMuniz> is the default forder field blank when you add a new link?
05:13:08 <DannyMuniz> just click add link and you will see the field of the download folder directory
05:13:11 <kAlug> Yep.
05:13:59 <DannyMuniz> ok then now you can set your oun directory, but because i made it have a pre derectory it ask to make the folder
05:15:30 <DannyMuniz> it could be left blank but, but if not then is up to the user if they want to create the folder in the Documents directory or not
05:16:18 <DannyMuniz> that is also why i added pal last drive command
05:20:28 <DannyMuniz> plus it is easy to get to the download folder in the documents section that it is in PortableApps/FRDPortable/Datat/Data. Just click on Documents in the Platform and one more dobble click and you are in
05:27:09 <kAlug> DannyMuniz: another thing is that it stores paths normally, not in Java-style.
05:27:39 <kAlug> I'm going to upload my version... it'll take ~15mins.
05:27:59 <DannyMuniz> damn that is long but ill wait for it
05:28:01 <DannyMuniz> XD
05:28:27 <DannyMuniz> ill be here watchin anime
05:38:39 <kAlug> 10 mins... I'm going to watch a bit of "Learn advanced math with Charlie Eppes"... aka Numb3rs.
05:39:52 <DannyMuniz> LMAO
05:40:04 <DannyMuniz> i love that show
05:40:59 <DannyMuniz> they wont give gart show till Tuesday at 4 am
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05:53:12 <kAlug> DannyMuniz: http://kalug.users.sourceforge.net/temp/FRDPortable_0.85.0_Development_Test_3.paf.exe
05:55:20 <DannyMuniz> downloading now
06:02:13 <DannyMuniz> kAlug: I see that you removed the reg key. FRD dose use it and it will store it
06:08:23 <kAlug> Hmm. It's not created here, nor %AppData%\Vity.
06:08:42 <DannyMuniz> ok then that is good :)
06:08:45 <kAlug> What OS are you using? Win7?
06:08:56 <DannyMuniz> nah im using Vista
06:09:18 <DannyMuniz> I need me a new computer for sure...
06:29:04 <DannyMuniz> man i needs to learn how to make custome code if i am going to keep making portableapps...
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06:59:43 <kAlug> Somehow my forum signature was messed up... again.
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07:09:40 <DannyMuniz> maby you got hacked?...
07:13:17 <OliverK> no
07:13:25 <OliverK> well, what's your password?
07:13:41 <OliverK> signatures will get messed up if they are to long
07:13:59 <OliverK> some random rules . . . . i don't realy know how
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07:15:34 <pa_6914> i want to the terminal number which i gave during installation of s/w
07:15:42 <pa_6914> how can i know tht??
07:15:47 <OliverK> ?
07:15:56 <OliverK> what is s/w?
07:16:03 <pa_6914> software
07:16:20 <OliverK> i'm sorry but I don't understand your question
07:16:27 <OliverK> which software?
07:16:47 <pa_6914> i m from ims center surat...we have installed software named simcat2
07:17:37 <pa_6914> and nw we r not getting how to know the terminal id which we entered during installation
07:18:04 <pa_6914> can u help in this??
07:18:28 <OliverK> probably not . . . . we just provide support for applications on portableapps.com/apps
07:18:35 <OliverK> I don't recognize the name
07:19:14 <pa_6914> its running on portableapps.com anyways
07:19:16 <pa_6914> thnx
07:19:19 <OliverK> ?
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10:35:20 <Umino> hi
10:36:26 <Umino> anyone there ?
10:36:53 <DannyMuniz> how can i help you?
10:38:56 <Umino> i want to make a game portable using the portableapps launcher
10:39:28 <DannyMuniz> ok first is the game Opensource or freeware?
10:39:52 <Umino> neither of them ... and i don't plan to release it publicly ...
10:39:59 <DannyMuniz> ok
10:40:32 <Umino> it's just for me to stop it from saving files in directories i don't want it to ...
10:41:28 <DannyMuniz> ok then you would have to use directory move
10:41:54 <Umino> it bothers me that games spread their files (save file for example) all over windows directories like C:\users\.....
10:42:52 <Umino> i have all my programms and stuff on a seperate partition that ... in case windows breaks down i can simply format the C: partition and reinstall
10:43:07 <DannyMuniz> ok
10:43:19 <Umino> so i thought it might be a good idea to use that launcher :-)
10:43:29 <Umino> directory move ...
10:44:37 <DannyMuniz> here it is http://portableapps.com/manuals/PortableApps.comLauncher/ref/launcher.ini/filesystem/
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10:47:21 <Umino> ok .. it says [directory]=[target location] ... that means if the file would be saved to user\public\Documents\ that is the [directory] ...
10:47:38 <Umino> did i get that right ?
10:47:42 <DannyMuniz> yes
10:47:47 <DannyMuniz> Umino: Did you download NSISUnicode, PAL needs it
10:48:05 <Umino> yes
10:48:43 <DannyMuniz> if it is in the user profile the you will need something like this [DirectoriesMove]
10:48:43 <DannyMuniz> filename=%UserProfile%\filename
10:49:05 <DannyMuniz> hey ChrisMorgan!
10:49:14 <ChrisMorgan> There, online again. Came to India last Friday and discovered when we got here that the tree which had been gradually falling over more and leaning against the ADSL line (with the council doing nothing about it although we told them about nine months ago) blew over in a storm a couple of weeks ago, taking the line with it.
10:49:55 <DannyMuniz> Oh God we have spammers already
10:50:11 <Umino> so .. first haev to tell i tell the launcher the name of the file ...
10:50:57 <Umino> oops ... misstyped it ...
10:51:03 <DannyMuniz> np
10:51:50 <Umino> first ... tell the launcher the name and location of the file ... for example "user\public\Documents\mygame.sav"
10:53:09 <Umino> and then where to save it instead ... like "MyGamePortable\data\mygame.sav"
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10:54:17 <ChrisMorgan> Umino: what's the *full* path for mygame.sav when on the host machine?
10:54:37 <Umino> c:\user\public\Documents\
10:55:08 <ChrisMorgan> C:\Users\Public\Documents\mygame.sav?
10:55:17 <Umino> jep
10:56:12 * ChrisMorgan tries to remember whether on Vista "Public" is "all users" or a username
10:56:19 <ChrisMorgan> Vista/7
10:56:27 <DannyMuniz> Umino: CrisMorgan is the developer of PAL and he will help you with the rest of this. I am off to bed now Meds are kicking in. good night all
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10:58:23 <Umino> ok .. i'm on win7 and there are 3 folders in /user/ ... public, default and my own username
10:59:01 <Umino> public is the one that all users of this machine would have access to
10:59:03 <ChrisMorgan> Yep, so it is the all users documents that you need.
10:59:42 <ChrisMorgan> Umino: there's no variable for that directory, so you'll need a bit of custom code: http://portableapps.com/node/28235#comment-178508
11:00:06 <Umino> i think so ... default is just a template where new user profiles are created from if i got that right
11:00:20 <ChrisMorgan> Then have [FilesMove]:mygame.sav=%ALLUSERSDOCUMENTS%
11:02:49 <Umino> ok ... should i paste this code on the bottom to the launcher.ini file?
11:03:48 <ChrisMorgan> Which? The INI code or the Custom.nsh code?
11:03:52 <Umino> an ... no ... its in App\AppInfo\Launcher\Custom.nsh
11:05:00 <Umino> simply copy & paste or do i need to modify the code ?
11:06:57 <ChrisMorgan> That code as it stands will make the ALLUSERSDOCUMENTS environment variable available which is what you want
11:08:31 <Umino> ok ... and then just directoriesmove %ALLUSERSDOCUMENTS%=/Data/
11:09:35 <Umino> or Data=%ALLUSERSDOCUMENTS%
11:09:38 <Umino> ??
11:10:16 <ChrisMorgan> No, FilesMove, as I said.
11:11:04 <ChrisMorgan> You can't use DirectoriesMove for part of a directory. You've got to use [FilesMove].
11:12:04 <Umino> [FilesMove] data\mygame.sav=%ALLUSERSDOCUMENTS%\mygame.sav ??
11:12:43 <ChrisMorgan> NO. What I said. Read what I said.
11:15:34 <Umino> oh ... sorry ... [FilesMove]:mygame.sav=%ALLUSERSDOCUMENTS% - it will go into the data folder by itself i guess ...
11:20:48 <Umino> ok ... now the launcher.ini looks like this: [Launch] ProgramExecutable=MyGame\bin\game.exe [FilesMove] mygame.sav=%ALLUSERSDOCUMENTS%
11:21:44 <Umino> is that ok ?
11:21:45 <ChrisMorgan> That will be enough to get it working if it's only that one file which you need to take care of.
11:22:50 <Umino> i let the game run in a sandbox to track down wich files and registry keys are altered / accessed
11:25:18 <Umino> and that was the only file outside of its game folder that came up in the log files
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11:33:45 <Umino> thanks for the help ... i will try it later on ... and thanks for PAL - i was looking for something like that for a long time ... since more and more programms don't keep their files to themself anymore ... and that way it keeps the registry clean as well ...
11:34:53 <Umino> see you later ...
11:35:07 <ChrisMorgan> Bye. Hope it all works out well for you.
11:40:09 <Umino> we'll see ... and sorry for the stupid questions .. command line stuff and config files sometimes get me confused easily ...
11:41:01 <Umino> ;-)
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13:32:31 <Umino> hi ...
13:32:36 <Umino> ....again
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17:03:25 <jason404> I am trying to use the launcher generator, I have got stuck right at the beginning
17:03:38 <jason404> Creat Launcher For:
17:03:53 <jason404> what am I supposed to navigate to here?
17:04:06 <jason404> the .exe file of the prograh?
17:04:21 <kAlug> jason404: The directory containing App\, Other\, etc.
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17:04:44 <jason404> kAlug: thanks. thanks for your reply earlier, btw
17:05:50 <kAlug> You're welcome.
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17:28:37 <jason404> well that was easy
17:29:48 <jason404> do splash screens need to be jpegs? I don't think that is the best format for graphics
17:33:09 <ChrisMorgan> jason404: yes, no other format supported at present.
17:33:19 <ChrisMorgan> Use the DT splash screen, as provided.
17:33:28 <jason404> oh, okay. thanks
17:33:46 <jason404> png would be better
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17:38:32 <jason404> when I launched mIRC using the launcher I just generated, Windows asked if I wanted to make an exception in the firewall again. I winder why that happened, as the executable it was referring to was still the same mirc.exe which was already allowed. I'm wondering if it is now running in an elevated state. How would I check?
17:42:21 <jason404> task manager says that mirc.exe is running from a directory which does not exist anymore (as it was renamed). Strange
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17:52:27 <sar3th> jason404: well, there is your answer...the windows firewall knows a program through its path and filename (and i think hash too, but that is irrelevant)
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17:52:43 <sar3th> that means if you move your mIRC.exe to another location, windows firewall will ask you again
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17:52:54 <jason404> ah okay.
17:53:08 <jason404> that settles that matter
17:53:31 <jason404> but task manager still things mirc.exe is running from the old location and says that it cannot find it
17:53:45 <jason404> when i try right-click properties
17:54:51 <jason404> no such problem with process explorer. I guess it is some sort of registry virtualisation thing going on
17:56:10 <sar3th> does procxp show the file's properties when you right-click the process? or just some general infos collected by procxp instead?
17:57:24 <jason404> sar3th: it looks like I have the full information, including the command line switch which I instructed the launcher to use, which is pretty cool
17:58:01 <sar3th> which means it's /not/ showing the file's properties, which is what taskmgr tries to do :)
17:58:37 <jason404> oh, I see what you meant now
18:00:45 <jason404> I'm going to reboot to see if that sorts this wierdness out
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18:05:29 <jason404> nice
18:11:02 <jason404> I have just noticed that the launcher is still running, when it was not suposed to
18:17:57 <jason404> if I add WaitForProgram=false to the launcher.ini file, would I also need to rebuild the launcher?
18:19:41 <jason404> it is also allowing a second instance of the program, which is one of the reasons I wanted to use a launcher in the first place
18:20:31 <jason404> I already had WaitForOtherInstances=true, which i thought was the entry which prevents other instances
18:20:36 <sar3th> i guess you have to rebuild the launcher, yes
18:20:43 <kAlug> jason404: No rebuild is required in this case.
18:21:23 <sar3th> jason404: check documentation on that parameter, i am not sure what exactly it does
18:21:42 <kAlug> And try SinglePortableAppInstance=true; WaitFor* are true by default.
18:22:03 <jason404> ic
18:22:23 <jason404> actually, that is already there
18:23:06 <jason404> I'll try starting again. it's a bit annoying that it is actually mirc that I am dealing with here.
18:23:35 <kAlug> It will prevent the portable version from running, but there's no way to tell the installed version to stop.
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18:25:19 <jason404> there is no local version involved here
18:25:40 <jason404> installed version, in this case, anyway
18:26:00 <jason404> ok, the launcher exits now
18:26:12 <kAlug> Are you using WaitForProgram=false?
18:26:19 <jason404> yes
18:26:27 <jason404> I just added it
18:26:57 <jason404> and it is not allowing a second instance. great!
18:29:44 <kAlug> Can you guys check out https://pzt.me/7twa and tell me if it's understandable?
18:29:47 <kAlug> It's formatted in ReST (https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/ReST)
18:30:14 <kAlug> And is going to be part of the Launcher's manual.
18:32:11 <jason404> it seems readable to me, but I am not sure what sort of problems you are loking out for
18:35:54 <kAlug> English is not my native language, so I'm looking for grammar/spelling errors; furthermore, I want to make sure you understand it the same way as me.
18:36:35 <jason404> seems fine to me
18:37:06 <jason404> I find the documentation which is already there quite easy to understand, but I think the way it is organised is terrible
18:38:19 <jason404> oh, all data is in arbitrary, should be, all data are in arbitrary
18:38:50 <jason404> data is sort of a plural, as it is a collective noun
18:39:05 <jason404> oh no, I'm wrong
18:39:07 <jason404> ignore me
18:39:09 <jason404> lol
18:39:50 <jason404> I'm having brain problems
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18:42:59 <jason404> would making a launch and exit launcher which chooses between x86 and x64 .exex, depending on OS, be quite easy to make, or should I leave it till later, when I am more experienced with making launchers?
18:43:23 <jason404> I cannot find any information on this
18:44:07 <sar3th> if PAL supports it, it can probably be done relatively easily
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18:44:38 <jason404> ic
18:44:50 <TPFC-SYSTEM> You can refer to 7-Zip Portable source code. It has that feature.
18:45:20 <jason404> TPFC-SYSTEM: okay thanks. would source code in this case just be the .ini text files?
18:45:31 <kAlug> jason404: http://portableapps.chrismorgan.info/launcher/manual/topics/64-bit/#bit and http://portableapps.chrismorgan.info/launcher/manual/ref/launcher.ini/launch/#std:ini-key-[Launch]:ProgramExecutable64
18:46:00 <TPFC-SYSTEM> jason404: I think so, but I'm not sure.
18:46:22 <jason404> kAlug, TPFC-SYSTEM: thanks
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18:52:54 <kAlug> Is anyone else going to review that docs?
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