IRC Log from 2011-07-12
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00:12:49 <pa_2469> Every time I reopen gPodder Portable, the download directory reverts back to the default location rather than the location I want it to. Any help?
00:15:37 <kAlug> pa_2469: http://portableapps.com/news/2011-03-03_-_gpodder_portable_2.12_released#comment-172056
00:20:35 <pa_2469> kAlug Thanks
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01:15:41 <flyback> I'M DYING.........AND THE Nautilus IS DYING WITH ME!
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03:34:18 <GizmoBot> GordCaswell is the developer of Armagetron Advanced Portable, Evince Portable & ZSoft Uninstaller Portable
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03:46:13 <GordCaswell> Mir: GizmoBot just delivered your tell re: Gordship.
03:46:23 * GordCaswell pokes Mir with a stick
04:35:52 <Mir> X_0
04:36:14 <Mir> darn it that was my eye you poked out
04:36:22 <Mir> can someone help me find it
04:36:46 <GordCaswell> erm...can you do without? you have a second one there, see?
04:36:46 * Mir now walks around looking like a modern day pirate
04:36:52 * GordCaswell points kinda close
04:37:02 <GordCaswell> oops, sorry, i think i poked it out, too
04:37:02 <Mir> the other one is glass
04:37:03 <Mir> D:
04:37:18 <Mir> someone beat you to it
04:37:34 <Mir> X_- ) --O
04:37:37 <Mir> see
04:37:39 <GordCaswell> hmm...i'll look over *squish* here
04:37:45 <GordCaswell> err....i found it
04:37:54 <Mir> lol
04:38:07 <Mir> lordcaswell you make me gioggle
04:38:27 <GordCaswell> glad to be of service, matey!
04:49:31 <GordCaswell> kAlug: do know if [Environment] is processed before [Launch]?
04:49:58 <kAlug> It depends... what key?
04:50:26 <GordCaswell> ProgramExecutable and its variants
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04:54:07 <kAlug> ProgramExecutable is processed first. What are you trying to do?
04:54:17 <GordCaswell> I'm looking to do something like %FullAppDir%\relevantExecuatable%PAL:Bits%.exe
04:55:04 <GordCaswell> the actual path is this: Ghostscript\bin32(or 64)\gswin32(or 64)c.exe
04:56:39 <kAlug> Just use ProgramExecutable/ProgramExecutable64.
04:57:30 <kAlug> ProgramExecutable=Ghostscript\bin32\gswin32c.exe; ProgramExecutable64=Ghostscript\bin64\gswin64c.exe
04:57:37 <GordCaswell> that way I only need ProgramExecutable, as it makes ProgramExecutable redundant. I'm using them atm. Guess that's what I want to keep using :)
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05:14:52 <Mir> hey GordCaswell did ya take a look at my request on thye forum
05:18:48 <GordCaswell> when did you post it?
05:23:36 <Mir> last friday
05:23:52 <Mir> look foir the post in request with no resonse
05:24:00 <Mir> ist still on the first page :)
05:26:21 <GordCaswell> hmm...k, once i can check the site again
05:26:40 <GordCaswell> nvm, i'll check now
05:27:54 <Mir> :)
05:29:45 <GordCaswell> the open source package is source only...might not be a problem, though.
05:31:03 <Mir> it should not
05:31:09 <Mir> its pretty basic
05:31:17 <Mir> and thank god its not .net :)
05:31:46 <Mir> and from what i gather
05:32:02 <Mir> the creator of the source is very helpful
05:32:12 <Mir> he helped port the game to the PSP
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05:35:43 <GordCaswell> hmm, once i'm done with my current list, i'll take a look at it.
05:35:58 <GordCaswell> g2g, talk to you later
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09:00:29 <pa_9515> suspected spam - http://portableapps.com/node/27651#comment-179553
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14:14:10 <pa_9975> hello everyone
14:14:41 <pa_9975> if I download a portable app like Firefox on Windows, will it run perfectly on Linux too?
14:16:50 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Yes, if you use Wine. It's officially supported.
14:17:04 <benedikt93> pa_9975, hi. The prblem is not the download, but rather the fact that the apps on PortableApps.com are in general windows only. They may work with Wine though. IIRC there's been another project for portable Linux apps, maybe I can dig up the link
14:17:32 <pa_9975> thanks
14:17:49 <pa_9975> I always found using WINE a little annoying
14:18:57 <benedikt93> Here it is: http://portablelinuxapps.org/ . IT#s
14:19:15 <pa_9975> thanks
14:19:32 <pa_9975> but presumably those won't run on Windows. What would be really cool would be cross platform apps
14:19:35 <benedikt93> *It's not affiliated with this project here though and I never used 'em myself, so I can't guarantee you anything on them
14:21:17 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Unfortunately, creating portable cross-platform applications is almost impossible. :(
14:21:56 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Gpg4usb ( http://gpg4usb.cpunk.de/ ) is the only example I know.
14:22:09 <pa_9975> Yeah, that's what I imagined. What would be ideal for me would be a, let's say, Firefox code that detects the OS and runs the appropriate version, using the same profile folder
14:23:08 <benedikt93> One problem would be that you'd need every executable multiple times, thus increasing package sizes
14:23:41 <pa_9975> I don't really mind, got plenty of space on my USB
14:24:10 <pa_9975> it's obviously not anybody's priority right now, I just think it would be great in the future
14:24:46 <pa_9975> It simply annoys me that Linux is better in almost every way, except there are a few pieces of Windows-only Software that I cant do without
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14:27:39 <TPFC-SYSTEM> pa_9975: I agree with that. Windows-only software is basically the ONLY reason why I use Windows at all, yet I use Windows nearly all the time.
14:28:45 <pa_9975> The problem is obviously that there's no corporate benefit in developing software for Linux
14:28:52 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Hopefully ReactOS ( http://www.reactos.org/en/index.html ) will be usable one day...
14:29:25 <pa_9975> Surely Windows won't allow some part of it
14:29:31 <pa_9975> *Microsoft
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14:32:34 <pa_9975> The thing that brings me back to Windows is the music players, actually. All the Linux ones still have major issues
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14:34:20 <TPFC-SYSTEM> http://www.reactos.org/en/about_userfaq.html#isroslegal
14:34:43 <TPFC-SYSTEM> It's hard to say if Microsoft can deny ReactOS from being developed.
14:35:04 <TPFC-SYSTEM> I'm going to just wait (some years) and see. :/
14:37:03 <pa_9975> If it doesn't use NTFS, what does it use? ext4 I hope?
14:37:26 <pa_9975> Because if it uses FAT then it will never stand a chance...
14:38:08 <TPFC-SYSTEM> It does use FAT now. Ext3 and NTFS will hopefully be implemented in the future.
14:39:03 <pa_9975> Right. Personally I've always been a fan of minimalism when it comes to PCs. That's why Windows just doesn't cut it
14:39:20 <pa_9975> When I have the time I might try a very basic Linux install
14:40:06 <pa_9975> Have you been watching Google Chrome OS too?
14:41:06 <TPFC-SYSTEM> No, I haven't.
14:42:36 <pa_9975> The cloud computing model could revolutionize operating systems and boot Windows off its podium for good
14:47:07 * Pyromaniac1 doesn't like cloud computing
14:48:20 <pa_9975> its the future
14:48:41 * benedikt93 neither
14:50:23 <pa_9975> well, it kills portable apps :D
14:51:15 <TPFC-SYSTEM> I think they will coexist for some time.
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14:53:35 <Pyromaniac1> the biggest issue I see with teh cloud is lack of mobility and access
14:54:19 <Pyromaniac1> unless everyone can easily get free internet access everywhere, which of course will never happen
14:55:07 <sar3th> exactly
14:55:22 <sar3th> also, there is privacy issues in storing your data at a third party
14:59:23 <benedikt93> which is why companys (at least larger ones) won't use it, I guess
15:02:43 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Companies will use clouds simply because they want to look modern.
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15:10:28 <Pyromaniac1> so I'm getting a new computer thursday from my lawyer who's throwing his 4 year-old pc out
15:10:43 <Pyromaniac1> which will replace my current 10-year-old
15:11:13 <Pyromaniac1> he wants me to wipe it because there's a lot of personal/legal stuff on it
15:12:04 <Pyromaniac1> I'm thinking of just bringing one of my Ubuntu cds and formatting it from there, but I don't want to lose windows from it
15:12:54 <sar3th> if i were you, i'd wipe it and then reinstall windows
15:13:06 <Pyromaniac1> I have no cd
15:13:37 <Pyromaniac1> it's a desktop
15:14:03 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Then I suggest that you discuss with him.
15:14:19 <Pyromaniac1> he has absolutely no clue about computers
15:14:50 <Pyromaniac1> the reason he's throwing it out is because the moniter has been fading in and out lately!
15:16:31 <Pyromaniac1> I'm ok with ubuntu, or most other linux distros, but I only do stuff in windows
15:16:36 <TPFC-SYSTEM> You can say that you'll "delete all personal files" and delete his user profile.
15:16:58 <Pyromaniac1> nope, I have to "wipe it" in front of him
15:17:46 <sar3th> Pyromaniac1, if he's giving you a windows license with it, i don't see why you can't use another windows disc (e.g. from a friend) for installation
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15:19:14 <sar3th> Pyromaniac2, if he's giving you a windows license with it, i don't see why you can't use another windows disc (e.g. from a friend) for installation
15:19:49 <Pyromaniac2> ah, thats right! ^O^O^O^
15:20:21 <Pyromaniac2> I completely forgot it has the little license number on it
15:21:04 <Pyromaniac2> thanks sar3th
15:21:35 <Pyromaniac2> oh, that reminds me, I broke my (legit) Office 2007 Enterprise installation
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15:24:21 <Pyromaniac2> when I try to run word or something, I get an error that the configuration is incorrect. So I tried to repair it, and it all was going well, then I got an error 2809 message that something bad happened, and it was undoing changes. So I tried uninstalling, then reinstalling, and the same thing happened again. Now I have no office, except LIbreOffice, which is not bad, except that powerpoints don't work
15:27:05 <Pyromaniac2> any ideas?
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15:41:27 <Pyromaniac2> do ya'll think John would let me use his menu theme if I were to make a remake of PAM in AHK?
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15:43:48 <Simeon> hi all
15:43:50 <Simeon> hi Zach
15:43:59 <Simeon> hi Gizmokid2005
15:45:02 <Pyromaniac2> hi Simeon ^O^)/
15:45:17 <Simeon> hi
15:45:28 <Pyromaniac2> Simeon: do you think John would let me use his menu theme if I were to make a remake of PAM in AHK?
15:45:38 <Simeon> hi Pyromaniac2! What happend to number 1 ? ;)
15:45:52 <Pyromaniac2> power outage
15:45:53 <Simeon> Dunno. Ask him :)
15:46:54 <Simeon> Why would ypou want to do that?
15:48:14 <Pyromaniac2> lots of reasons. For one, it would stop everybody's complaining. And second, I like AHK, and I want to see what more I can do (still working on that proxy app)
15:48:31 <Pyromaniac2> ok, well, not stop complaints
15:48:58 <Simeon> I guess its ok as long as you dont do it, open a page called TurboKey and publish portable apps :)
15:49:29 <Pyromaniac2> (serious lafter on my end)
15:49:56 <Pyromaniac2> I'd probably filter it out, and call it T******y
15:50:02 <Simeon> haha
15:50:35 <Pyromaniac2> I was thinking of calling it sPAM
15:50:52 <Pyromaniac2> (superPAM)
15:50:58 <Simeon> yeah
15:51:03 <sar3th> spam?
15:51:18 <ZachThibeau> yeah you know mystery meat
15:51:20 <ZachThibeau> :P
15:51:34 * ZachThibeau shuts mouth and runs away
15:52:18 <Pyromaniac2> sPAM or just SAM
15:52:48 <Simeon> or PAMela?
15:52:55 <Pyromaniac2> I wouldn't want to be called on for putting spam on the forum
15:53:07 <Pyromaniac2> Do you know what that meat does to servers?
15:53:59 <Pyromaniac2> maybe. But I was really hoping I'd catch John today :(
15:54:08 <Simeon> maybe later
15:54:40 <Pyromaniac2> I tried making my own themes, but I'm a disaster with GIMP/Photoshop
16:04:10 <Pyromaniac2> hey, is Portable App Marketplace™ what he's calling it now?
16:05:39 <kAlug> IIRC it's still Portable App Directory, why?
16:06:01 <Pyromaniac2> it says that in the Apps page
16:06:19 <Pyromaniac2> Portable App Directory is there too
16:07:36 <Simeon> he must have changed it recently
16:08:18 <Pyromaniac2> I don't think there's enough apps to call it a marketplace O_o
16:08:30 <Simeon> :)
16:12:18 <benedikt93> yeah, that must be new. What kinda surprises me is that this name suggests apps being sold (to me at least)
16:12:52 <kAlug> +1
16:13:00 <benedikt93> possibly he's preparing his new status update :)
16:14:53 <Pyromaniac2> probably
16:15:55 <Pyromaniac2> maybe there's a bunch of secret commecial apps John hasn't talked about yet, and we're all going to shocked when we find out, but excited because that means more revenues for the website
16:17:13 <Simeon> luckily he didnt use appstore. apple would have sued him too...
16:17:39 <Pyromaniac2> Microsoft sued Apple over that "App Store" trademark
16:17:52 <Pyromaniac2> claiming that the name was too generic
16:18:01 <Simeon> yes. but as apple holds the trademark
16:18:29 <Pyromaniac2> Actually, it would be a PortableApp Store :D
16:20:59 <kAlug> Does anyone here uses ChromePlus or Chromium Portable?
16:21:22 <Pyromaniac2> why
16:22:40 <Pyromaniac2> I've tried them both, liked neither, stuck to chrome
16:24:31 <kAlug> ChromePlus: I was thinking on making it portable; Chromium Portable: I develop it (or at least the only version named "Chromium Portable")
16:25:16 <benedikt93> maybe there's a bunch of secret commecial apps <-- that could also explain the heavy delays in case additions to the menu became necesarry (ok, this is pretty speculative, but it could be ;))
16:26:03 <Pyromaniac2> I looked at chromeplus (regshots and all), but I think i saw something that I didn't like about it, so I never tried making it portable
16:26:23 <Pyromaniac2> Nothing specifically, but go ahead and see
16:27:02 <Pyromaniac2> If your lucky, you might be able to just use the chrome portable launcher with a few changes
16:27:47 <Pyromaniac2> simeon: how do I change my status again?
16:28:01 <Simeon> status?
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16:28:21 <Simeon> like that?
16:28:31 <Pyro|Shower> yeah, I was thinking of something else
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16:32:41 <Simeon> bye all
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16:33:03 <Pyromaniac1> bye!
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21:59:35 <Pyromaniac1> hi gizmobot!
21:59:36 <GizmoBot> Hi Pyromaniac1
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