IRC Log from 2011-07-20

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02:15:34 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
02:15:38 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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03:32:01 <JohnTHaller> It'
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03:32:08 <JohnTHaller> It's up: http://portableapps.com/news/2011-07-19_-_portableapps.com_platform_2.0_pre-release_1_released
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04:46:36 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
04:46:59 <ZachThibeau> hey JohnTHaller|away congrats on PR1 of the platform
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06:24:59 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Auto-rejoin FTW :)
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07:50:01 <PoopTank> 0hai
07:50:32 <PoopTank> Retrieving directory takes ages
07:52:33 <PoopTank> I suggest for pre2 to shorten some strings in Russian translation, and to use a server-generated XML to check for available apps quicker. XML should be generated when it's midnight @ NYC
07:56:51 <PoopTank> also, why use silent install for apps dloaded by manager? It's kinda confusing. I'd rather make it skip starting and ending pages, but show the progress.
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07:58:06 <CruelCoke> :@
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08:11:50 <CruelCoke> I BSODded due to PAC pre1
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09:05:20 <pa_6229> HI
09:06:01 <pa_6229> USB over Network PORTABLE EXSIST?
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09:23:14 <pa_9853> Hi I think that many themes on the new PortableApps.com Platforms are nice. But I would prefer those themes I made myself. How I can be to them?
09:39:34 <CruelCoke> There's a "themes" folder
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09:45:37 <CruelCoke> :@
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10:22:18 <CruelCoke> Is it legal to convert PAC themes to ASUite themes and use ASuite instead of PAMenu?
10:23:56 <CruelCoke> Lupo uses ASuite, but their use of it is poopish, their app manager doesn't work with ASuite's XML
10:24:57 <CruelCoke> So I'm thinking of integrating ASuite with PAC
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11:51:24 <pa_9967> looking for a girl to hang out with
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13:23:03 <george2> Yay!
13:23:21 <george2> The new PAM is awesome
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13:27:40 <george2> It works great in Wine too.
13:27:55 <george2> And I love the faenza.
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13:28:33 <pa_9949> Could someone remind me how to install a portable app?
13:30:26 <george2> http://portableapps.com/support/portable_app#installing
13:30:34 <pa_9949> Thanks!
13:33:20 <george2> The Ctrl+Alt+Space hotkey doesn't work with Wine.
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14:19:16 <JAWS> hello, is there a way to have the PA.c Platform PR1 hide desktop in the options or is this done in the .ini?
14:19:27 <JAWS> esktop icons*
14:19:51 <JAWS> omg desktop icons* i cant type very well
14:25:23 <JAWS> anyone there?
14:32:05 <JAWS> im very sorry but i really have to go. :( sorry if i wasted somebodys time
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14:35:13 <JAWS> hi, did someone say something to me just b4 i left one minute ago
14:35:56 <JAWS> never mind i found the log
14:35:59 <JAWS> bye
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15:56:18 <george2> For the logs or anyone who cares: AniFX Portable should be in Graphics, not Games.
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15:59:06 <george2> And why is WinPenguins Portable a "Utility"?
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17:05:36 <JAWS> hello, i have a few questions!
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18:52:58 <tfreedman> hey, just wondering if anyone can point me to the source code for portable firefox
18:57:12 <Gizmokid2005> tfreedman: it's on the SourceForge project
18:59:22 <Gizmokid2005> tfreedman: it's also on the bottom of the FirefoxPortable page (a link to it): http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable
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19:00:23 <tfreedman> Gizmokid2005: The link at the bottom of the page links to FileZilla, not Firefox
19:01:22 <Guest55819> Hi my female friend has downloaded the lastest PortableApps.com Platform. And she can't get her favorite theme to work. And I can't help her
19:01:36 <tfreedman> And Source(Firefox) only appears to have the unchanged code from Mozilla, not the updates, unless I'm mistaken
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19:02:31 <[Mike]> Anybody
19:03:05 <[Mike]> theme problem
19:03:19 <Gizmokid2005> [Mike]: if it's a theme from <2.0 it's not going to work
19:03:21 <Gizmokid2005> it will need to be updated.
19:03:29 <[Mike]> Is it still in patheme format?
19:03:37 <Gizmokid2005> the format has changed
19:03:49 <[Mike]> to wat?
19:03:53 <[Mike]> To what?
19:04:07 <Gizmokid2005> it hasn't been finalized yet, so we don't know.
19:04:11 <Gizmokid2005> John is still working on it.
19:04:23 <[Mike]> So she just have to waite for now?
19:04:28 <Gizmokid2005> yes
19:05:15 <[Mike]> thanks
19:05:21 <sar3th> tfreedman: i noticed the same problem with some other source links, appearently they are all pointing to the wrong URLs
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19:05:39 <Gizmokid2005> they're not all wrong
19:05:42 <Gizmokid2005> but quite a few need updating
19:05:46 <Gizmokid2005> as well as the source needs uploading
19:05:48 <sar3th> yes
19:06:12 <sar3th> well, i found the source i was looking for through some digging (2.0pr1 that is)
19:06:18 <Gizmokid2005> http://sourceforge.net/projects/portableapps/files/Source%20%28Firefox%29/
19:06:26 <Gizmokid2005> that's the closest you'll get to current FF source from us.
19:06:34 <Gizmokid2005> looks like john hasn't updated it since V4B5
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19:34:15 <jason404> hey, it's pretty spooky how the PA menu has categorised apps that I added myself
19:34:27 <jason404> how did it do that?
19:35:02 <sar3th> i think it reads the category from appinfo.ini
19:35:59 <jason404> ic
19:36:23 <sar3th> i haven't looked at the source yet though ;)
19:37:16 <jason404> one thing I was really hoping for which has not materialised was the ability to automatically run startup and exit batch scripts.
19:37:49 <jason404> and custom buttons
19:44:18 <sar3th> hm, there's still a lot of unnecessary casts
19:50:21 <jason404> casts?
19:56:35 <sar3th> yeah, in the sourcecode
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20:36:21 <jason404> the search box is excellent. much needed too
20:37:16 <JohnTHaller> jason404: glad you like it. it's still rough and early in its development. we'll refine it a bit both visually and functionally
20:38:00 <jason404> ic. i would have preferred it at the bottom, to mimic the start menu, but it's the best part of the update I think
20:39:04 <jason404> and being able to select the search results using the arrow keys would be good
20:39:05 <JohnTHaller> We thought about it at the bottom, but as you filter the list, you wind up with just a few apps at the top, so it makes a bit more sense to keep it nearby. Think of the way launchy works visually in that respect.
20:39:20 <jason404> ic
20:39:34 <JohnTHaller> That's coming too. It's just that none of the actual entries in the menu is a real windows control that can receive tab focus, so we're building in a custom workaround.
20:39:55 <jason404> ic
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20:41:09 <JAWS> hello, :) how do you make the platform PR1 hide the desktop icons?
20:41:18 <sar3th> hey john, congratz on releasing 2PR1 :)
20:42:19 <JAWS> yes, i agree with sar3th. it is very nice! ;)
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20:43:47 <JohnTHaller> JAWS: You can manually set it in the INI http://portableapps.com/support/portable_apps_suite#advanced It will be in the options window probably in tomorrow's update
20:43:58 <JohnTHaller> sar3th: Thanks, I'm pretty proud of it.
20:44:54 <JAWS> thanks John, btw i love your platform, it is a beautiful work of art! ;)
20:45:05 <gluxon> JohnTHaller: I'd like to add my congrats as well :)
20:45:24 <gluxon> And it's great that you kept the beveled themes as well! :)
20:45:32 <JAWS> agreed!
20:45:58 <JohnTHaller> JAWS: Thanks :) We think of it as art, too
20:46:02 <jason404> Aerish Light Black ftw
20:46:22 <JohnTHaller> gluxon: Thanks. I'm adding in a retro 1.5 set as well for folks who like it. As well as Windows XP themes, Ubuntu, etc
20:46:37 <gluxon> Awesome! :D
20:47:18 <gluxon> I don't think any of us expected the status update to include an actual Pre-Release though :D
20:48:34 <JohnTHaller> gluxon: Yeah, I wanted it to be a surprise. But that's why we delayed it a few times.
20:49:28 <JAWS> oh and John, when the updater is set to start on platform startup, is it supposed to stay in the background when the platform is closed?
20:49:34 <jason404> I open the menu with WinKey+1, as I keep it as the first pinned taskbar button, next to the start menu, but doing this also enters 1 into the search box
20:50:47 <jason404> oh, it's not anymore. I see. It keeps search terms persistently
20:56:00 <jason404> minor annoyance, CTRL+Backspace and other keyboard accelerators do not work in the search box
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20:57:04 <jason404> actually, it's only CTRL+Backspace which does not work
20:57:37 <sar3th> ctrl+backspace doesn't work everywhere by default, see notepad
20:57:46 <sar3th> but i agree
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20:58:18 <jason404> sar3th: that is the main reason I do not use Notepad. I replaced it with Notepad2 in the regsitry
20:58:27 <sar3th> :D
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21:02:46 <george2> Hey John! I'm loving the new PAM!
21:02:54 <george2> Works great in Wine.
21:03:56 <george2> Except for the hotkey, that is.
21:04:28 <JAWS> one more question... can Listary be updated through itself?
21:08:34 <JohnTHaller> JAWS: The updater on startup bit is broken but will be fixed in the next update tomorrow
21:09:09 <JAWS> ok, thanks again for the help and the beautiful platfrom! ;)
21:09:18 <JAWS> platform*
21:09:24 <JohnTHaller> never used ctrl-backspace. it's not a build-in at the windows level for a textbox, it has to be manually added to apps themselves.
21:09:35 <JohnTHaller> george2: Glad you like it :)
21:09:47 <JohnTHaller> JAWS: You're welcome :)
21:10:46 <jason404> JohnTHaller: It's a very common keyboard accelerator though, and it's used in windows search
21:12:02 <george2> So what is the plan for the "App directory"? Will you be adding some more features to make it more Synaptic-like (search, descriptions when you click on the app entries, etc) or is it pretty much finished?
21:12:23 <JohnTHaller> jason404: Right, but I've never heard about it or ever used it, which is why it isn't implemented (since Windows itself doesn't support it at the textbox level), but I can add it in. CTRL-backspace just deletes everything yes?
21:12:46 <JohnTHaller> george2: This is just the first release of it. It's gonna get much more advanced over time.
21:12:47 <jason404> JohnTHaller: no, it deletes one word at a time
21:12:56 <gluxon> What about Ctrl +A, Backspace?
21:13:16 <JohnTHaller> jason404: Ah, in that case I may leave it as is for now. It's pretty rare to need multiple words in the search anyway.
21:13:17 <JAWS> and one last thing i have to bother you with ;). On my XPSP3 and XP only it puts an "Could not write to windows temp dir! Program will now exit" on ejection. Whats that about?
21:13:45 <JohnTHaller> JAWS: No idea, could you put a note in the bug thread on it with as many details as you can come up with?
21:14:18 <JohnTHaller> jason404: even things like LibreOffice Write, you just type out 'writ' and you've got it.
21:14:27 <jason404> gluxon: SHIFT+Home, Delete, would be a better way to do that
21:14:51 <gluxon> jason404: Why's that?
21:14:59 <jason404> JohnTHaller: yes, I have noticed.
21:15:15 <JAWS> ok, thanks
21:15:19 <gluxon> I haven't even heard of Shift + Home before now.
21:15:43 <jason404> CTRL+A selects all text in the window, so you would not normally use that in a text editor
21:16:09 <george2> oh, that reminds me of another question I had- could you add the ability for the search feature to search in app descriptions, as well as names?
21:16:14 <jason404> gluxon: I am heavily into using Shift with Home and End, Ctrl and Arrow keys, etc
21:16:47 <JohnTHaller> george2: Possibly, but we only have english descriptions so far, so it's a bit unfair.
21:16:47 <george2> Just at some future date- no rush. ;)
21:16:56 <george2> Ok, that makes sense.
21:18:17 <george2> The only other thing I can think of is the loss of the texture/rainbow themes, but I'm quite happy waiting until the next release for those.
21:19:09 <JohnTHaller> Those will be downloadables, not built-in, me thinks
21:19:16 <JohnTHaller> We have a set of a dozen of them actually
21:19:21 <george2> Fine with me
21:19:36 <JohnTHaller> With one artist. Another one (photographer) will probably give us a dozen or so more.
21:19:54 <george2> Cool.
21:20:39 <george2> Love the faenza, by the way. It fits in with my KDE icon theme.
21:21:08 <JohnTHaller> I think Faenza is a good fit for the menu. I stuck with some oxygen elements as well.
21:21:17 <jason404> the app list does not show if an app is alerady installed. I would have thought it would be possible to show that info
21:21:42 <jason404> like the Notepad++ addon menu
21:21:54 <JohnTHaller> The app list only shows apps that are not installed
21:22:01 <jason404> oh
21:22:14 <JohnTHaller> If you have an app installed to a non-standard directory (example FirefoxPortablePersonal) it won't be seen and won't be updated, though.
21:22:28 <JAWS> question, where are bugs posted. ;) ha
21:22:43 <JohnTHaller> JAWS: In this thread: http://portableapps.com/node/28593
21:22:48 <JAWS> sorry
21:22:59 <JohnTHaller> It's linked from the main pre-release 1 post. There are 5 forum threads for related discussions.
21:23:34 <george2> Here's my forensics pam. http://i.imgur.com/D9Ynu.png - Much cleaner now, with the categories. :)
21:23:41 <jason404> does anybody know if gVim Portable includes the console version as well (vim)?
21:24:30 <jason404> george2: nice colection you have there
21:24:36 <JAWS> i see ratcatcher has posted about the updater
21:25:03 <george2> jason404: Thanks. All freeware/open source.
21:25:12 <JohnTHaller> You'll be able to customize your custom category icons soon, too :)
21:25:25 <jason404> george2: ah, maybe you could release it as a collection ?
21:25:39 <george2> Awesome. I dunno what I'd use for those categories...
21:25:43 <JAWS> the eject error i have has happened b4 with the previous version... if that matters
21:26:08 <JohnTHaller> I'm thinking of adding in a default set of maybe 2 or 3 dozen folders we've created to go along with it. We'll see how it works out.
21:26:21 <george2> I'd love to release it, but I have things like nirsoft/etc that are non-redistributable. I may release a FOSS-only version eventually.
21:26:23 <JohnTHaller> JAWS: Is your temp directory somehow locked?
21:26:24 <jason404> JohnTHaller: a couple of thing I would really like to see are start/exit scripts and custom buttons connected to scripts
21:26:49 <JAWS> i have no idea?! where would i find that out
21:26:55 <JohnTHaller> jason404: I'm not sure I want to worry about a script interpreter at the platform level. You will be able to kick off EXEs and BATs shortly on start/exit though.
21:27:22 <jason404> JohnTHaller: that is all I was hoping for. just .bat/cmd scripts
21:27:56 <JohnTHaller> jason404: We'll probably make available the drive letter and certain paths as env vars to the scripts, too.
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21:28:02 <Simeon> hi all
21:28:07 <jason404> cool
21:28:11 <JohnTHaller> JAWS: Lemme fire up my XP VM and tell you
21:28:16 <sar3th> the forum thread is already huge :/
21:28:18 <JohnTHaller> Simeon: hi. how goes it?
21:28:21 <Simeon> Just wanted to jump in and thank John for the update!
21:28:26 <JAWS> ok thanks John
21:28:37 <JohnTHaller> Simeon: You're welcome. SurpriseD?
21:28:44 <Simeon> Yes.
21:28:57 <Simeon> was it the search bar that caused the delay?
21:29:12 <george2> Yeah, that was a great way to start my morning.
21:29:12 <JohnTHaller> That's the reason the status update was delayed a week and a half. I didn't want to just post a status update, I just wanted to do a release.
21:29:32 <Simeon> Im still working on SuperTuxKart. Its all working now except if you move from a 16:9 to a 4:5 screen while in fullscreen, things get messy.
21:29:48 <JohnTHaller> Simeon: No, just lots of bug fixes and stuff. And had to rework categories to get them working the way I wanted to. Not bad that the only major bug with them was custom categories on nonPAF apps (which is already fixed in PR1.1)
21:30:17 <JohnTHaller> JAWS
21:30:27 <JAWS> yep?!
21:30:31 <JohnTHaller> JAWS: Click START and then RUN and type CMD and enter
21:30:42 <JohnTHaller> JAWS: Them type CD %TEMP% and enter
21:31:05 <Simeon> But the settings file has a screen width/hight entry I think I can have a custom.nsh write the surrent screen res to. But Ill have to try to get that to work over the weekend.
21:31:28 <JohnTHaller> Simeon: What happens if it tries to full screen a 1024x768 on an 800x600 monitor?
21:31:40 <JAWS> ok, i'll have to go upstairs to do that... "my" XP is in my room but has no internet access
21:31:42 <JohnTHaller> Simeon: Don't overdo it, if it fails gracefully then we don't need to worry about it
21:31:53 <Simeon> dunno. all I have is the bugreport in the prerelease thread.
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21:32:16 <george2> I like the different icons for open/closed folders too. That's a nice touch.
21:32:22 <Simeon> here: http://portableapps.com/node/28180
21:32:23 <JohnTHaller> JAWS: Ah, ok. Well, bring a notebook with you. check where TEMP is, ensure the drive has space. Ensure the permissions are proper on it, etc. The ejection routine needs to be able to write to TEMP
21:32:39 <JohnTHaller> george2: Thanks. It's subtle, but I felt it distinguished them a bit, too.
21:34:23 <JohnTHaller> I may add in an option to set all folder icons to the simple one, too, as some folks may prefer that.
21:34:46 <george2> Maybe. I like the themed ones.
21:35:01 <george2> Oh, I know. I thought I saw somewhere a mention of customizable folders on the right side, instead of music/videos, etc. Is that planned, or am I crazy?
21:35:17 <JohnTHaller> I know. Me too. But some people may like it all consistent. It'll be in the Advanced Options page
21:35:24 <JohnTHaller> no you're not. That feature will be added, too
21:35:32 <george2> Great
21:35:51 <JohnTHaller> You'll be able to rename them, point them to an alternate location and change their icon
21:36:06 <george2> Nice.
21:37:01 <george2> I don't have my pams in the drive root, so I always wanted to point "explore" to the PAM dir, instead of the root.
21:37:53 <JohnTHaller> how does everyone feel about the scrollbar, btw? I know it's a bit polarizing (and unnecessary for those of us with wheel mice). It's gonna be disable-able in advanced options shortly. And I'm working on the graphic defects under aero.
21:38:19 <JAWS> OMG, this platform is going to be amazing keep up the FANTASTIC work John and everyone. and BTW John i will go try what you said and will be back soon. BYE:)
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21:38:55 <george2> I haven't tried it in Windows, but in Wine it just won't stop blinking. I do like the ability to scroll down like that though, since I don't have a mouse wheel.
21:39:36 <kAlug> JohnTHaller: Thanks for the early birthday gift! <:-P (mine is tomorrow)
21:40:09 <JohnTHaller> kAlug: Heh, you're welcome.
21:40:27 <JohnTHaller> george2: Yeah, I'm not sure what['s up with it yet. I think it may be interacting with some of the transparent PNGs
21:41:16 <george2> Maybe so. It just keeps going from grey to tiny grey checkered, then back, about every .5 seconds or so.
21:42:13 <george2> If a tooltip gets on top of it, and then goes away, the part that was underneath the tooltip has a time offset, so it all blinks differently.
21:42:52 <george2> But I assume that's a Wine-only issue, right?
21:44:30 <george2> The scrollbar in your screenshot looks normal.
21:44:39 <Simeon> I just asked in the supertuxkart prerelease thread so hopefully I will know better what goes wrong/how it looks.. dont have 2 screens to test it myself.
21:46:34 <gluxon> george2: And to add in, the scrollbar also occasionally creates a duplicate of itself under wine.
21:47:03 <george2> I haven't seen that one yet. Thanks for letting me know.
21:47:30 <gluxon> Brb, switching operating systems.
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21:48:07 <Simeon> gnight all.What a day! Thanks again John!
21:48:13 <JohnTHaller> gnight simeon
21:49:10 <Simeon> @John: What exactly is your definition of a "gracefull fail"? (regarding Supertuxkart)
21:49:49 <JohnTHaller> Not crashing. Or going off the screen, etc. If the screen is 1024x768 and it still shows as 800x600 from last time, that's just fine.
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21:50:46 <Simeon> and the other way around? if its cutoof its not good right?
21:50:50 <gluxon> Wow, the scrollbar looks so much better on Windows :)
21:54:39 <george2> :) I hope it does.
21:56:00 <george2> Wow, I'm so used to havind to scroll between ~9 panes of apps, 1 at a time, to find the one I want, and now everything fits in a single view, with folders collapsed and all my favorites at the top.
21:56:11 <george2> And search!
21:56:53 <JohnTHaller> Figured a lot of power users would like the Show All With Categories view. I'll have the favorites ordering in that fixed shortly.
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21:57:29 <george2> you mean where the favs are arranged by category, instead of abc?
21:58:19 <JAWS> hello again, so John i did what you said to do in the command prompt, now what?
21:59:45 <JohnTHaller> what is the directory. can you create a file in there using Notepad or similar. type 'dir' and see if there is free space on the drive.
22:00:32 <JAWS> ok, brb
22:02:18 <JAWS> ok, yep and yep
22:02:51 <JohnTHaller> Also, see if there's a ton of stuff in there or not. If so, you could clean it out a bit (just in Explorer). ANd check the drive for errors (may require a reboot)
22:03:22 <george2> With the alpha-arranged favs, I renamed Iron to &Iron, so it showed an underline beneath the I, and had Iron first. Now speedcrunch is first and Iron second, but that's not really a big deal or me.
22:03:58 <JAWS> not much, there is a file thats called eject and its a program by Quick and Easy Software
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22:07:31 <JohnTHaller> anything antispyware or antimalware that could prevent it from running?
22:07:54 <JAWS> not that i know of
22:08:56 <george2>
22:09:05 <george2> oops
22:10:37 <JAWS> wait, george are you saying oops to me?
22:11:14 <george2> no, I just pressed spacebar and enter, and accidently got a blank chat thingy
22:11:26 <george2> I meant to have another window active
22:11:41 <JohnTHaller> JAWS: Hmm... is it a fully updated and patched machine?
22:12:06 <kAlug> JohnTHaller: where is THEMES_FLAT supposed to be used on?
22:12:18 <JohnTHaller> huh
22:12:55 <JAWS> uhh, probably not updated for at least 1-2 years, that might be whats wrong... no internet up there
22:13:40 <JohnTHaller> could be it
22:13:50 <JohnTHaller> know what serivce pack is on it?
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22:14:12 <JAWS> SP3
22:14:35 <george2> That's not too old.
22:14:45 <JAWS> no its not
22:14:50 <JAWS> but...
22:16:11 <JAWS> technology moves quick
22:16:36 <JohnTHaller> JAWS: That should be ok, then. I'm at a bit of a loss
22:16:51 <george2> Maybe try chkdsking, like John suggested
22:17:26 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: which graphics defect are you talking about RE: scrollbar?
22:17:30 <Gizmokid2005> under aero that is.
22:17:32 <JAWS> do i just type chkdsk in cmd
22:17:52 <george2> You have to be admin, and it will tell you to reboot after you run it
22:17:53 <JohnTHaller> it flashes in and out when your mouse moves over or away from it. and can show icons from the menu under it oddly
22:18:01 <sar3th> JAWS: in cmd, run chkdsk /F X: where X is the driveletter of the drive you want it to check
22:18:09 <JohnTHaller> brb. virtualbox upgrade gonna kill connetcion
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22:18:21 <sar3th> /F is for actually fixing errors
22:18:26 <george2> Yeah
22:18:40 <JAWS> will it mess anything up?
22:18:58 <george2> Shouldn't but you never know. :)
22:19:06 <george2> It's supposed to fix things
22:19:35 <gluxon> JAWS: It'll delete (or move) files that are corrupt.
22:19:52 <gluxon> I think it places them in .Found or something.
22:19:58 <JAWS> ok ,well i'll go try that BRB
22:20:13 <george2> I've never had it delete anything useful. I just ran it a couple days ago
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22:21:02 <george2> Not sure if this is a bug per say, but if I click options, then close the options, and click off of the pam, the menu stays open instead of hiding.
22:21:09 <george2> Just fyi.
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22:22:22 <george2> Sorry, could you see that^^ ?
22:22:28 <george2> John
22:22:31 <Gizmokid2005> the only thing I've noticed is that the actual "box" inside the scrollbar doesn't flash like it should....though I'm seeing EXACTLY what you're talking about here on my home machine. At work it was just a simple oddity. The scrollbar's box just moved to the top and faded from there to where it actually is.
22:22:53 <george2> Sounds like fun. ;)
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22:24:24 <george2> Is that on Win7 or Vista?
22:24:34 <Gizmokid2005> win7 for both
22:24:55 <Gizmokid2005> one is win7 Pro x64 (work) the other is win7 ult x64 (home)
22:25:38 <JAWS> ok im back and my comp. is doing the disk check now. it had to restart to do the check. is that right?
22:25:45 <george2> I have to work on some 7 x66s tomorrow- basic, i think- and I always use at least one pam for that.
22:25:56 <george2> JAWS: Yep, that's right
22:25:56 <sar3th> JAWS: if your drive was c:, yes
22:26:07 <george2> It can't check an active drive
22:26:23 <sar3th> it can, just not the system-drive
22:26:25 <george2> x66? I meant x64
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22:27:10 <george2> Hey, are you back now John?
22:27:16 <JohnTHaller> ya
22:27:46 <Gizmokid2005> see my message JohnTHaller?
22:27:46 <george2> Ok. Did you see what I said before? Looks like you were having some net issues or something.
22:28:13 <JAWS> ok, but one problemo... i wasnt watching the comp. because i wasnt up there and didnt see the results
22:28:14 <JohnTHaller> I wasn't here
22:28:44 <JohnTHaller> As I said, virtualbox upgrade. Knocks out the net. And then NickServ wouldn't let me ghost myself. So I had to wait
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22:29:27 <Gizmokid2005> the only thing I've noticed is that the actual "box" inside the scrollbar doesn't flash like it should....though I'm seeing EXACTLY what you're talking about here on my home machine. At work it was just a simple oddity. The scrollbar's box just moved to the top and faded from there to where it actually is.
22:29:31 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: ^
22:29:49 <george2> JAWS: Yo don't need to see anything, It'll just fix it automagically. If you used /F.
22:31:10 <JAWS> ya, but how do know if something was wrong. btw did you spell automatically that way purposely ;) thats a cool word if you didnt
22:31:45 <george2> 'Course I did. ;)
22:32:11 <Gizmokid2005> also JohnTHaller, i found an "issue" with the app list organization, but maybe i'm looking at it wrong
22:33:04 <george2> > Not sure if this is a bug per say, but if I click options, then close the options, and click off of the pam, the menu stays open instead of hiding.
22:33:16 <Gizmokid2005> "Show all with categories" shows my favorites, but not in any particular order...unlike any of the other options, which sort the favorites alphabetically...
22:33:21 <JAWS> so what do i now?
22:33:28 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: See known bugs
22:33:31 <george2> JAWS: Try the eject again.
22:34:02 <george2> I thought the Favorits were organized by category, and then alphabetically.
22:34:05 <Gizmokid2005> JohnTHaller: just making sure. I haven't been on the forums.
22:34:16 <george2> Not just randomly
22:34:19 <Gizmokid2005> they're favorites george2, you'd expect them to be all in one list
22:34:23 <Gizmokid2005> and they should be sorted alpha.
22:34:50 <george2> They are all one list.
22:35:00 <george2> Unless I'm not seeing the same bug.
22:35:03 <Gizmokid2005> favorites are yes.
22:35:03 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: One topic here: http://portableapps.com/node/28593
22:35:12 <Gizmokid2005> yeah I found it.
22:35:24 <JAWS> well, ok that might take a while. BRB
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22:35:52 <Gizmokid2005> george2: when you select Show all with categories, it should sort your favorites alphabetically just like every other option does.
22:35:55 <Gizmokid2005> but it doesn't
22:36:10 <Gizmokid2005> it's probably sorted by category, looking at it, but it doesn't show categories.
22:36:11 <JohnTHaller> It's a bug. It's known. It'll be fixed.
22:36:16 <george2> Yeah, I'm just saying there is a logic to it- it's not random
22:36:59 <JohnTHaller> Correct. It is sorting by category even though not shown
22:38:26 <JohnTHaller> I think I have scrollbar sorted. Odd interaction with DoubleBuffering, AlphaPNGs and custom hints enabled.
22:40:00 <JohnTHaller> I'm gonna shoot for tomorrow for the next bugfix release, though.
22:40:57 <george2> Nice. I'll have to check for updates along with my av databases before I do my monthly patching tomorrow.
22:41:23 <JohnTHaller> Really want to get automatic updates on platform startup sorted so we can enable them by default
22:41:46 <JohnTHaller> for some reason, even though no window shows up, it steals focus and the menu minimizes.
22:42:11 <george2> That's not something I'll be using, as I have limited download per day, and if I turned on auto updates, i'd be toast.
22:42:13 <Gizmokid2005> wfm JohnTHaller
22:42:29 <Gizmokid2005> ofc, I have the menu set to be persistent.
22:42:32 <JohnTHaller> george2: It's just automated notifications
22:42:43 <kAlug> Hey, is the Portable App Directory translated?
22:42:45 <george2> Oh, well that's fine.
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22:45:17 <JohnTHaller> Gizmokid2005: Yeah, I think I may have the menu set not to minimize on startup until you interact with it and move off, launch something, or click its taskbar/system tray button to minimize it. The nice side effect is that it means that apps you auto=start won't minimize it either
22:45:35 <Gizmokid2005> right
22:46:19 <george2> So do I understand correctly that the PA platform is written in a proprietary language? You have to pay for a compiler?
22:46:34 <JAWS> ok, tried it again didnt fix it
22:46:37 <Gizmokid2005> no
22:46:40 <Gizmokid2005> it's written in delphi
22:46:48 <Gizmokid2005> but the free version can't compile it because some of the features it uses.
22:46:51 <Gizmokid2005> it being the menu.
22:47:12 <JohnTHaller> george2: Correct. It's Delphi. A visual pascal platform. There is currently no open source equivalent, though we may look at lazarus shortly
22:47:34 <george2> That's too bad.
22:48:13 <JAWS> now what?
22:48:19 <george2> I'd love to contribute, instead of just asking for features, but I could never buy a compiler.
22:48:27 <JohnTHaller> Most open source windows software is compiled using proprietary compilers as they perform better.
22:48:34 <george2> JAWS: No idea. :(
22:48:50 <JohnTHaller> Yeah, it's not cheap unfortunately. Though I am looking into getting some licenses for additional devs to use.
22:49:15 <george2> Well somebody needs to make a decent foss compiler then. I assume gcc doesn't work for delphi.
22:49:24 <JohnTHaller> gcc is for C
22:49:28 <george2> Yeah
22:49:51 <george2> Gnu C Compiler
22:49:55 <sar3th> george2: there is the free pascal project, but fp uses a different run-time library and visual components library (rtl, vlc) than delphi does
22:50:09 <sar3th> making the code incompatible by default
22:50:17 <george2> bummer
22:50:24 <JohnTHaller> plus it's not quite as full-featured yet.
22:51:24 <kAlug> JohnTHaller: Gramps Portable sub-category in the Updater's DB is misspelled ("Genea*o*logy").
22:51:27 <JAWS> ok, well got another question when i autoplay opens i click on start PAM but it opens a dialog that says "Choose the program you want to use to open this file. and the file is J:\. whats up?
22:51:33 <george2> How much does PA usually get in donations? I imagine it's not a cheap project.
22:52:01 <JAWS> i have to go eat but will BRB
22:52:07 <george2> JAWS: What's in your autorun.inf?
22:52:10 <george2> Ok
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22:52:46 <JohnTHaller> JAWS: Autoplay is no longer supported. Microsoft disabled it on all Windows OSes two months ago.
22:53:07 <george2> Isn't there a difference between autoplay and autorun?
22:53:47 <JohnTHaller> autorun was never supported on USB. autoplay allowed you to have your own icon and text show up as an option in the autoplay menu from USB that a user could select. that is now disabled as well.
22:53:57 <george2> Oh, ok.
22:54:18 <george2> autoplay still works from CD though, if I remember correctly.
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22:54:43 <george2> whoah
22:54:51 <JohnTHaller> We removed the last bits of it from our autorun.inf as some antivirus programs freak out about it. (Start= and Open= are removed now) THough Trend Micro just freaks out about any autorun.inf, which is really poor behavior
22:55:31 <JohnTHaller> JAWS: You probably have an old entry for StartPortableApps.exe which is now named just Start.exe. Just delete your autorun.inf and it'll stop doing that.
22:55:33 <george2> I have a protected folder on my usb, to prevent autorun creation, because I have to clean infected computers all the time.
22:56:11 <george2> So I never really used the autorun
22:58:19 <george2> Trend Micro is pretty bad, isn't it. Don't most avs just look for a start or open command in the autorun, and otherwise leave it alone?
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22:59:34 <JAWS> im back, thanks i'll try that. will it make another one>
22:59:36 <JAWS> ?*
22:59:54 <JohnTHaller> If you reinstall yes. Or just edit it in notepad and remove the Start= and Open= lines
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23:00:26 <JAWS> ok, thx
23:00:56 <george2> The LABEL line was the only one I used, because Win7 insists on ignoring the drive name unless that's there.
23:01:32 <JAWS> ok, im confused
23:01:46 <JAWS> this- open=StartPortableApps.exe
23:02:03 <george2> yup
23:03:02 <JAWS> but, and whats up with this comps. autorun? its enabled but it never finds the autorun for the OAM
23:03:08 <JAWS> pam*
23:05:46 <george2> The file it's trying to launch doesn't exist anymore
23:05:56 <george2> If you're using the new 2RC
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23:11:08 <JAWS> but, it never worked i dont think
23:11:20 <Gizmokid2005> it's Start.exe
23:11:24 <Gizmokid2005> and windows disables USB autorun
23:15:49 <JohnTHaller> ok, taking a break. may pop on later, otherwise expect an update tomorrow
23:16:06 <JAWS> ok thx john and everyone
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23:18:12 <JAWS> so what do i do GizmoKid?
23:20:39 <JAWS> Gizmokid2005: what do i do then?
23:22:00 <george2> Try this. http://portableapps.com/node/13770
23:22:11 <Gizmokid2005> JAWS: there's nothing you can do to enable it
23:22:14 <Gizmokid2005> maybe some registry hack
23:22:18 <Gizmokid2005> but no way to enable it.
23:22:40 <JAWS> ok, thx for the help anyway, sorry to bother you
23:23:11 <JAWS> bye
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23:23:18 <george2> That link might work if you just want to autostart the pam. I've never tested it though.
23:23:21 <george2> Darn
23:23:52 <george2> Oh well.
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