IRC Log from 2011-07-26
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00:28:44 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
00:28:49 <GizmoBot> ZachThibeau is the main developer of PChat and is a developer with PortableApps.com
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01:30:52 <pa_0799> help with the PortableApps.com Platform 2.0. How can you create and display custom folders?
01:30:53 <GizmoBot> pa_0799: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
01:36:38 <kAlug> pa_0799: It's not supported yet.
01:37:12 <kAlug> Oh, wait, it is.
01:40:04 <kAlug> You mean folders in the menu itself, right? Like in http://portableapps.com/files/forumimages/platform2pr1/MenuCategoriesAll.png ?
01:41:35 <pa_0799> yes - I thought you could have custom folders?!?
01:42:40 <pa_0799> Customizable App Organization With Automatic and Custom Folders
01:42:44 <pa_0799> http://portableapps.com/news/2011-07-19_-_portableapps.com_platform_2.0_pre-release_1_released
01:44:14 <pa_0799> I just figured it out.
01:47:11 <kAlug> Click Options and select Show All with Categories.
02:04:50 <pa_0799> thanks
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02:41:28 <JohnTHaller> hola
02:42:44 <kAlug_> howdy JohnTHaller
02:43:26 <JohnTHaller> How goes it?
02:49:11 <kAlug_> Things are... buggy.
02:49:43 <kAlug_> Did you got my email?
02:53:14 <JohnTHaller> don't rrecall offhand. busy few days. on a flight right now fixing platform bugs
02:54:04 <JohnTHaller> Oh wait, uTorrent and PAT right? Yes I did, but I haven't gotten to check it out yet
02:55:54 <JohnTHaller> Bug progress: all starred bugs have been fixed in the internal build: http://portableapps.com/node/28593
02:56:17 <JohnTHaller> Now we can also say that 2.0 was coded at 30,000 ft
03:00:24 <kAlug_> JohnTHaller: where are the submenus (Manage Apps, Help) icons from?
03:01:11 <kAlug_> There isn't enough transparent pixels: http://i.imgur.com/9SARi.jpg
03:02:10 <JohnTHaller> I need to manually fix them. I forgot how bad non-Aero Windows handles just about everything
03:02:23 <JohnTHaller> THey're converted PNGs. I'll need to hand edit them.
03:03:24 <kAlug_> I can try to help you if you tell me where they are.
03:03:47 <JohnTHaller> They're nowhere. They only exist embedded in the EXE
03:06:42 <JohnTHaller> I was working on it already, I just added it to the known bugs list to ensure we don't miss it.
03:13:19 <kAlug_> Funny. "All roads lead to Rome". All source links lead to... FileZilla Portable
03:14:50 <JohnTHaller> It's an old copy and paste error. Originally, all those links were broken and just went to our download page. Then SF 'fixed' them and they all go to FileZilla.
03:33:34 <JohnTHaller> Yes. Just figured out the issue with Thai, Vietnamese, etc not showing properly in updater/app directory
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03:47:23 <JAWS> hi, this probably isn't the place to ask this but, why are virtualDubs saved .avi so much larger than the original file?
03:47:51 <JohnTHaller> Probably because it's using a different codec or compression than the original.
03:49:39 <kAlug_> Possibly no compression at all. Use *MPlayer or VLC to check.
03:51:53 <JAWS> oh, and GizmoBot, even though i believe you are a bot, i just wanted to make a .vbs to hide/unhide hidden files into an .exe. I couldnt make something into malware to save my life!
03:53:13 <JAWS> can VLC save?
03:54:00 <JAWS> i want to put different audio to a video and did it in VirtualDub but the file is huge
03:55:15 <kAlug_> Yes, VLC can convert files.
03:55:36 <JAWS> sweet
03:56:04 <JAWS> any need to download extra stuff for codecs
03:57:47 <kAlug_> No IIRC
03:58:34 <kAlug_> I don't remember having to download files the last time I converted something.
03:58:54 <JAWS> i'm sorry but whats IIRC?
04:00:12 <kAlug_> http://cygwin.com/acronyms/: If I Recall Correctly
04:01:05 <JAWS> ha, i guess i should have known that. i thought it was a technical term. Im tired
04:01:22 <JAWS> was thinking*
04:02:20 <JAWS> ok, thanks a lot! :)
04:02:34 <JAWS> bye! ;)
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04:12:06 <kAlug_> Hey ChrisMorgan, I've found a way to include all the built-in variables into $ProgramExecutable expansion.
04:12:21 <ChrisMorgan> kAlug_: what, delayed expansion?
04:13:16 <kAlug_> I expanded it just before checking if the file exists, in InstanceManagement.nsh.
04:14:11 <kAlug_> It's processed after DriveLetter, DirectoryMoving, Variables, and Language.
04:17:23 <JohnTHaller> hola ChrisMorgan
04:17:42 <ChrisMorgan> Hey JohnTHaller
04:21:47 <kAlug_> ChrisMorgan: Should it be documented elsewhere? After all, now it's working as it should had been all this time.
04:21:57 <ZachThibeau> night all
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04:22:05 <JohnTHaller> gnight
04:23:06 <ChrisMorgan> kAlug_: it should be put in the release notes.
04:25:55 <kAlug_> bug fix or change?
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04:28:00 <kAlug_> change
04:28:05 <GizmoBot> GordCaswell is the developer of Armagetron Advanced Portable, Evince Portable & ZSoft Uninstaller Portable
04:28:16 <ChrisMorgan> Change.
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04:58:38 <kAlug_> I hope that ChrisMorgan knows that PAL 2.1.1 is ready.
05:07:37 <JohnTHaller> yeah, i'd like to post that and update all the apps that depend on it over the next week
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05:27:47 <kAlug_> ChrisMorgan: Should we deprecate ProgramExecutable*64, favouring the use of %PAL:Bits% instead?
05:27:56 <ChrisMorgan> I think so.
05:31:00 <kAlug_> Instead of App\AppName and App\AppName64, we should specify App\AppName32. No need to set BitsVariable32=.
05:33:43 <ChrisMorgan> Yep, I was planning on recommending standardising those cases where it's a separate directory as AppName32 and AppName64. But BitsVariable* will still be useful - some will be appname_x86.exe/appname_x64.exe or appname.exe/appname64.exe, etc.
05:33:51 <ChrisMorgan> Bye, I'm heading off now.
05:34:29 <ChrisMorgan> I plan to release PAL 2.1.1 when I get back. Got to add a mention of you in the release notes too.
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12:30:33 <zoz_is_my_nick> hello
12:31:02 <zoz_is_my_nick> anyone can help me related to utorrent?
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17:09:55 <ChrisMorgan> kAlug: what name would you like me to use for you in the 2.1.1 release notes?
17:12:42 <kAlug> /whois kAlug
17:14:13 <ChrisMorgan> Full name, then?
17:15:57 <kAlug> Yes. Something like 'Aluísio Augusto "kAlug" Silva Gonçalves' or '(Aluísio Augusto Silva Gonçalves (a.k.a. kAlug)', whatever sound better.
17:16:16 <kAlug> My nickname is counter-intuitive.
17:16:32 <Spellbreaker> Thats quite a long name.
17:16:51 <ChrisMorgan> I also see the non-latin characters come through as ? in the /whois...
17:17:29 <Spellbreaker> I see them correctly...
17:18:19 <kAlug> U+00ED and U+00E7
17:20:44 <ChrisMorgan> They come through fine in the channel text, and in the SourceForge commits where you use your full name.
17:23:32 <kAlug> How am I supposed to handle the last part of http://portableapps.chrismorgan.info/launcher/manual/topics/64-bit/ ("It is possible that an environment variable"...)?
17:23:59 <kAlug> It's unnecessary now with %PAL:Bits%.
17:28:47 <ChrisMorgan> Throw away most of the paragraph and mention :env:`%PAL:Bits% <PAL:Bits>` - and put after the ".. versionadded:: 2.1" ".. versionadded:: 2.2\n :env:`%PAL:Bits% <PAL:Bits>`".
17:49:13 <kAlug> ChrisMorgan: please take a look: http://kyra.kalug.net:49200/releases/2.2.html#environment-variable-parsing-on-launch-programexecutable (unfinished) and http://kyra.kalug.net:49200/topics/64-bit.html
17:52:05 <ChrisMorgan> Mainly unrelated: where you have "By appending a ``~`` to the ..." in the release notes, I think it could be better specified as "a ``~`` (tilde)" as it may be difficult to discern precisely what it is in some fonts (it's quite light in the font used in Ubuntu at that size).
17:53:06 <ChrisMorgan> I think I'd put after "the -64 variants" links to the two keys.
17:54:48 <ChrisMorgan> Then the question of what we want to do about those two. (a) Keep them, (b) deprecate them and remove them in 2.3 or 2.4 or something like that, or (c) remove them and make using them put up a big warning for the developer so they won't use them (the ability to do that makes deprecation less useful).
17:57:58 <ChrisMorgan> The chunk in topics/64-bit should be expanded upon, creating a concrete standard of AppName32/AppName64 when they go in different directories, but also referencing [Launch]:BitsVariables* as what you'll need to do with appname.exe/appname64.exe or appname_x86.exe/appname_x64.exe or such things, with examples (probably four examples - AppName%PAL:Bits%\appname.exe and AppName\appname%PAL:Bits%.exe without BitsVariables and with the two
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18:25:38 <kAlug> I'll split the 64-bit changes in 3 changesets: ProgramExecutable, 64-bit docs change, and -64 deprecation/removal.
18:25:43 <ChrisMorgan> kAlug: OK, I believe I am ready to release 2.1.1.
18:28:35 <ChrisMorgan> Whoops, made a slight mess of it as I didn't pull before making my changes... will now fix things.
18:29:22 <sar3th> git rebase origin/master ;)
18:31:53 <kAlug> sar3th: We use Mercurial. But it also have rebase ;)
18:33:00 <ChrisMorgan> I really made http://portableapps.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/portableapps/launcher/graph pretty :-)
18:34:16 <sar3th> i see, hg's branching is close to git's
18:35:52 <ChrisMorgan> sar3th: it depends on how you want to use it. hg can follow git branching model or it can follow two or three more of its own. hg is more flexible and (though some will disagree) *better* in branching than git.
18:36:08 <sar3th> how so
18:41:03 <ChrisMorgan> I rather like Steve Losh's summary of it - http://stevelosh.com/blog/2009/08/a-guide-to-branching-in-mercurial/
18:41:44 <kAlug> Cool graph. It remembers me my time playing Locomotion xD
18:43:35 <ChrisMorgan> Hmm. Well, that's not generally what I try to achieve with branching. That's the biggest tangle I've got myself into, but it was still easy to sort out.
18:44:23 * kAlug is going away for a couple hours
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18:44:34 <ChrisMorgan> Well, I'm afraid I really do need to go to bed now. Release on the morrow, then, I guess.
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19:05:44 <JAWS> hi, which program on PA.c is easy to make a .vbs script that hides/shows hidden files into an .exe?
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19:31:02 <JAWS> nobody?
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19:41:41 <JAWS> ok, whatever. instead can someone help me with VLC
19:43:06 <JAWS> Hi Gizmobot
19:43:07 <GizmoBot> Hi JAWS
19:47:58 <Gizmokid2005> JAWS: asking the same question over and over is not going to get you an answer
19:48:07 <Gizmokid2005> Use google if you've not received and answer to date.
19:48:20 <Gizmokid2005> using "ok, whatever" is an express ticket to finding yourself unwelcome here.
19:48:34 <Gizmokid2005> and asking to ask is also not going to get yourself an answer.
19:48:35 <JAWS> sorry
19:48:42 <Gizmokid2005> I suggest you read the rules. This is going to be your only warning.
19:48:46 <Gizmokid2005> carry on.
19:52:02 <JAWS> sorry, i just wanted help converting an avi. to something else while syncing another audio track to it and muting the other
19:52:40 <JAWS> i wasn't trying to be rude i guess i should have said nevermind instead of ok, whatever
19:53:49 <JAWS> ... and your rules page has a poor rep. according to WOT so read what i could see behind the WOT popup a long time ago
19:54:21 <sar3th> what is WOT
19:55:45 <benedikt93> Web Of Trust (FF/IE addon/webservice)
19:57:15 <Gizmokid2005> WOT should've been resolved a long time ago. WOT has a point of failure in that it isn't verified by actual people and can easily be "trolled" into a false rating. I've done what I can to correct it.
19:57:27 <Gizmokid2005> VLC is not an app that is designed for reconverting videos.
19:59:10 <JAWS> iirc John was saying something about it last night
20:01:54 <Gizmokid2005> it actually looks like kAlug|Away was the one who said that. You can convert a bit with VLC, but it's a simple conversion. Though it may work I suppose, depending on the requirement.
20:03:46 <JAWS> would you suggest another program to do something like that then, that's relatively easy?
20:04:25 <JAWS> ya, I just saw that is was kAlug in the logs
20:05:47 * benedikt93 likes XMedia Recode (prapper has a dev test in the forums)
20:07:40 <JAWS> what did you mean by this... asking the same question over and over is not going to get you an answer... about the vbs's?
20:08:06 <JAWS> thanks benedikt93 i'll check that out
20:10:56 <Gizmokid2005> yes JAWS. In the last two days I've seen you ask about that over half a dozen times.
20:12:36 <JAWS> well, i guess i thought if I periodically asked someone that might not have been on the first time could help. I'm really sorry.
20:14:02 <JAWS> is it bad that my nickname is in all caps
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20:27:12 <JAWS> Gizmokid2005, I'm kind of new to this IRC stuff and early last week i believe, George2, said something to Gizmobot for me and when i came on yesterday it popped up that he had commanded Gizmobot to tell me so i asked again
20:27:31 <JAWS> *about the vbs thing
20:28:10 <JAWS> Am I going to be in trouble?
20:33:29 <JAWS> From now, I am will be more aware of the things I do/say on these channels and won't ask the same questions repeatedly.
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20:59:25 <JAWS> Gizmokid2005, I'm very sorry, and I'll probably get into trouble for having to leave, but I must go now. Sorry for all the trouble. Bye
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21:49:16 <JAWS> hi, I'm back
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21:53:29 <GizmoBot> GordCaswell is the developer of Armagetron Advanced Portable, Evince Portable & ZSoft Uninstaller Portable
21:54:12 <GordCaswell> JAWS: this might do what you want: http://geeklad.com/convert-to-exe-with-free-program (Found by a guick google search)
21:54:27 <GordCaswell> *quick
21:58:08 <JAWS> thanks GordCaswell, the download won't open though, it says ActiveX component can't create object: 'UserAccounts.CommonDialog'. what do i do?
21:59:26 <JAWS> how did you see that old question when you just joined?
22:02:46 <sar3th> he's probably reading the logs
22:03:53 <GordCaswell> I read the logs regularly
22:04:17 <JAWS> oh
22:04:53 <GordCaswell> I don't know, I just googled it, and it looked like it might work for you, based on the comments on that page. Try a google search for another utility if that doesn't work. I have no need of it myself, so I haven't even tried to download it.
22:05:14 <GordCaswell> I g2g, back to work. Happy coding!
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22:06:04 <JAWS> it looked cool
22:11:57 <JAWS> well, I've got to go as well. See everyone soon. Thanks for all the help everyone!
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22:12:26 <kAlug> .tell JAWS Why do you need a VBS->EXE converter?
22:12:26 <GizmoBot> kAlug: I'll pass that on when JAWS is around.
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22:54:22 <MrLogin> Seems to be a problem with the login to the site.. Every time I've tried i get "Wrong Password" and have to reset it. Even from 2 different PC's.. I've used the same passsword all the time, with LastPass, so this seems very strange.. Just wanted you to know!
22:54:58 <sar3th> MrLogin, i can login just fine
22:55:09 <sar3th> you might want to change that password and make sure your machines are clean
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22:56:25 <MrLogin> They are, work everywhere else.. and on 2 pc's.. with passwordmanager (tried without too)
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22:58:04 <MrLogin> just wanted someone to maybe have a look at it.. i can reset every time if needed! :D
22:58:40 <sar3th> i'm not a site admin, just a regular user, so unfortunately there's nothing i can do about it :(
22:59:18 <MrLogin> Hopefully someone higher ut sees this..
22:59:22 <MrLogin> gtg..
22:59:25 <MrLogin> later
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22:59:50 <sar3th> bye
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