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03:34:32 <pa_6397> What is the portable apps platform wriiten in
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03:37:27 <Decipher_> Hello, what language is the portable apps platform wrote with?
03:39:51 <Decipher_> TPFC-SYSTEM: Hello, what language is the portable apps platform wrote with?
03:40:14 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Decipher_: I think it's written in Delphi. I'm not sure.
03:41:17 <gluxon> Decipher_: Delphi.
03:41:24 <gluxon> Do you need the source?
03:42:21 <Decipher_> TPFC-SYSTEM: I'm not sure I trying to find out how the installer no where the suite is located
03:43:01 <Decipher_> I dont know of this language is it hard to understand?
03:43:49 <Decipher_> TPFC-SYSTEM: I dont know of this language is it hard to understand?
03:44:32 <Decipher_> TPFC-SYSTEM: I script autoit and I'm experienced with batch scripting and familiar with C++ syntax
03:45:07 <TPFC-SYSTEM> I don't know Delphi, so I have no idea.
03:45:26 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Probably kAlug can answer your question.
03:45:34 <Decipher_> TPFC-SYSTEM: It was wrote by John T. Haller right?
03:46:03 <TPFC-SYSTEM> AFAIK, there are multiple developers now.
03:46:23 <Decipher_> TPFC-SYSTEM: cool
03:46:43 <Decipher_> TPFC-SYSTEM: Are you a developer?
03:46:47 <TPFC-SYSTEM> No.
03:47:37 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Since I was not sure about the programming language AND don't know Delphi, I think it's quite obvious. :D
03:48:17 <Decipher_> TPFC-SYSTEM: Are you a portable developer? Is what I'm interested in but yes very obvious lol
03:48:35 <Decipher_> TPFC-SYSTEM: portable app developer............
03:49:04 <TPFC-SYSTEM> I'm an IT student. Probably I will develop portable applications in the future.
03:49:20 <TPFC-SYSTEM> But currently I'm not a portable app developer.
03:50:27 <TPFC-SYSTEM> I'm also one of the maintainers of http://www.portablefreeware.com/
03:51:13 <Decipher_> TPFC-SYSTEM: I'm working on a application that will archive portable apps and create a launcher that extracts and run the app from a temp dir on the host
03:52:12 <Decipher_> I have most of it written in autoit but I'm going to be using two third party freeware progs one has legal issues
03:52:22 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Are you the same person who visited the channel yesterday?
03:52:23 <TPFC-SYSTEM> http://portableapps.chrismorgan.info/irc/logs/?t=2011-08-24#T08-29-01
03:52:26 <Decipher_> Know anything about software licneses?
03:52:46 <Decipher_> Probaly it was late
03:53:49 <Decipher_> Yesterday I was talking to someone about PA shrinker.
03:54:02 <Decipher_> TPFC-SYSTEM: Was that you/
03:54:11 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Yes.
03:54:25 <Decipher_> Great
03:54:40 <TPFC-SYSTEM> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_free_software_licenses
03:55:11 <TPFC-SYSTEM> The most common free software license is the GNU General Public License (GPL).
03:55:26 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Personally I hate the GPL, it's too restrictive.
03:55:28 <Decipher_> thanks for the link could i paste the license its like 3 sentences or would that be noobish?
03:55:58 <TPFC-SYSTEM> If it's that short, yes, you can.
03:56:40 <Decipher_> This utility is released as freeware. You can freely use and distribute it. If you distribute this utility, you must include all files in the distribution package including the readme.txt, without any modification !
03:57:09 <Decipher_> I want to package inside my executable.
03:57:48 <Decipher_> Its an Icon extractor
03:59:12 <Decipher_> To my understanding all I have to do to begin pubic development is create a new form topic like PA Creator?
03:59:22 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Unfortunately, PortableApps.com doesn't allow AutoIt applications. :(
03:59:24 <TPFC-SYSTEM> http://www.portablefreeware.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=38947#p38947
03:59:42 <TPFC-SYSTEM> "That's why we no longer accept AutoIT-based apps for official release at PortableApps.com and will phase out our 2 apps that are based on it shortly." --John T. Haller
03:59:43 <Decipher_> OMG! what if there compiled?
04:00:16 <Decipher_> okay im about to check this out.
04:00:20 <TPFC-SYSTEM> The problem is that there are too many antivirus false positives.
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04:04:56 <Decipher_> Okay I get it and there is no way around this execept to use autohotkey instead.
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04:05:56 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Well, is it important to get the application officially released?
04:05:59 <Decipher_> I remember reading that autohotkey developer used to be developers of autoit but there was some beef or something so they went seperate ways
04:07:20 <Decipher_> Kinda my goal so yes, I want people to be able to come here and see my app with the rest and yours truly as the developer
04:08:32 <TPFC-SYSTEM> OK, then rewriting is the only option (besides giving up). :(
04:09:27 <Decipher_> autohotkey is opensource so threre is less or no malware righters?
04:09:56 <Decipher_> writters...
04:10:22 <Decipher_> omg i cant spell
04:11:23 <Decipher_> Do you know what the majority of portable app developers are using?
04:11:36 <TPFC-SYSTEM> I think AutoHotkey is an interpreted language as well.
04:12:08 <TPFC-SYSTEM> If that's the case, AutoHotkey is also used by malware writers.
04:12:27 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Nearly all portable software I know has been written in C or C++.
04:13:27 <Decipher_> Does that mean I can't use a scripting language and that I need to step it up or what man? No Go on Autohotkey?
04:13:36 <TPFC-SYSTEM> I use also a significant amount of AutoIt applications (we at TPFC haven't banned AutoIt).
04:14:14 <Decipher_> What is TPFC?
04:14:16 <TPFC-SYSTEM> I don't know. AFAIK, JTH has decided to disallow AutoIt, but not AutoHotkey.
04:14:38 <TPFC-SYSTEM> The Portable Freeware Collection: http://www.portablefreeware.com/
04:16:01 <Decipher_> Do you think he will in the future I read that you must be willing to support your app for at least 6 months for an offical release to be taken into consideration
04:16:09 <TPFC-SYSTEM> If you use AutoHotkey, the worst-case is that John decides to disallow your program from being officially released.
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04:16:43 <Decipher_> But TPFC would post it?
04:16:46 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Yes, I think he will.
04:17:40 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Decipher_: Probably. In order to get a public database entry in TPFC, the program needs to get at least two votes from regular users.
04:18:25 <TPFC-SYSTEM> This requires that the program is useful and at least as good as the alternatives (if there are any).
04:18:53 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Sometimes, even good programs stay private simply because no one is interested.
04:19:05 <Decipher_> Where would I submit it?
04:20:02 <TPFC-SYSTEM> http://www.portablefreeware.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=5651
04:20:16 <TPFC-SYSTEM> "First off, anyone who has joined the forum for at least a week can add
04:20:16 <TPFC-SYSTEM> applications directly to the database using the new 'Add Entry' function
04:20:16 <TPFC-SYSTEM> located at the top-right of the page (after the username). However, the
04:20:16 <TPFC-SYSTEM> application goes into a private "favorites" list and not the main page."
04:21:29 <Decipher_> Would you be interested in being a developer? I havent decided on anything this is just for fun I quess.
04:22:02 <TPFC-SYSTEM> I don't have time for that. :(
04:22:34 <TPFC-SYSTEM> In addition, I don't know AutoIt/AutoHotkey. (I do know Java, C and C++, BTW.)
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04:27:31 <Decipher_> Whats the logging bot?
04:27:39 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Decipher_: I went to Helsinki Metropolia University of Applied Sciences.
04:27:40 <TPFC-SYSTEM> http://www.metropolia.fi/en/
04:28:08 <TPFC-SYSTEM> GizmoBot answered your question above.
04:29:02 <Decipher_> oh okay
04:31:20 <Decipher_> TPFC-SYSTEM: Thanks for all the info
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05:00:38 <Guest47823> help
05:00:39 <GizmoBot> Guest47823: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
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05:02:27 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Hi Guest47823, how can we help you?
05:02:40 <Guest47823> help - I am trying out the new PA menu pre-release3 but it puts application in sub menus that don't make sense - eg it puts K-Meleon (Internet Browser) in 'Other' instead of 'Internet'. Am I able to customise what goes in which sub-menu so it makes sense to me? Thanks
05:02:40 <GizmoBot> Guest47823: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
05:05:55 <TPFC-SYSTEM> I'm currently reading the bug tracker ( http://portableapps.com/node/28593 )
05:06:31 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Ah, it's the unconfirmed issue "After updating PuTTY it appeared in the wrong location until manually refreshed".
05:17:17 <TPFC-SYSTEM> http://portableapps.com/node/28594#comment-180250
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08:43:26 <bungeshea2> PortableApps.com Launcher: If you set %APPDATA% to &PAL:DataDir%, will that effect any other PortableApps?
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08:46:10 <kAlug> bungeshea2: If the app supports changing %APPDATA%, then we'll be already using it. So, I think it's safe.
08:52:39 <bungeshea2> But what if another app has already changed %APPDATA%?
08:54:22 <kAlug> Exactly. Then the launcher will change it again to it's own %PAL:DataDir%.
08:54:35 <kAlug> This is why I think it's safe.
08:57:01 <bungeshea2> So where will the original app save it's data? in the new app's Data directory?
08:58:57 <kAlug> Nope. In the old one.
09:15:12 <bungeshea2> Okay. So having tow apps running that both change the %appdata% isn't a problem then
09:15:55 <kAlug> Yep.
09:24:11 <bungeshea2> okay, bye then.
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10:17:26 <maki_33> is (beside this chat) the forum of PA the right address if i find an issue within the webpage of portableapps.com or with a portable-program? is a developer of a portableapp-version look into the forum? or is the site for the PA the right one?
10:18:52 <sar3th> if you're having trouble with a portableapp, posting into the forums is a good idea; most developers read the forums and look for bug reports, that's why there is several app-specific forums :)
10:19:34 <maki_33> hm, ok, the app i am talking about is not directly found at http://portableapps.com/forums
10:19:49 <maki_33> so the "Other Apps Support" should be ok, right?
10:21:12 <sar3th> exactly
10:23:40 <maki_33> ok, and web issues?
10:24:45 <sar3th> i guess the "general discussion" forum would be okay for that
10:25:15 <maki_33> ok, thx
10:25:37 <maki_33> so chat more for questions and understanding but less for issue report
10:25:41 <sar3th> you can ofc also tell people here on irc, but we don't have much activity lately :/
10:25:53 <sar3th> basically yes :)
10:25:57 <maki_33> thank you sar3th
10:26:04 <sar3th> you're welcome maki_33
10:27:18 <maki_33> only for interest, how many chatroom participants are (or understand) german here?
10:27:55 <maki_33> sar3th: your are frensh?
10:28:07 <sar3th> nope, i'm german
10:28:27 <maki_33> ok, hab nur in der whois was gesehen. betrifft aber wohl nur den server :)
10:28:30 <sar3th> and i think i'm the only one here now, besides you?
10:28:44
10:40:19 <maki_33> sar3th: bist du häufig hier? bist du selbst entwickler der website oder einer anwendung?
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10:51:15 <maki_33> ok, danke für die vielen infos. ich hab die sachen ins forum geschrieben. dann geh ich erstmal. tschö, bis bald wieder.
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10:51:25 <sar3th> bye
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11:05:21 <maki_33> sar3th: doch noch ne sache. es gibt ja sogar ein forum zumindest für die apps das speziell für fehler existiert: http://portableapps.com/development/bugs
11:05:34 <maki_33> glaube das ist das was ich gesucht hab (zumindest für die apps selbst)
11:06:21
11:06:47 <maki_33> hmmmmm :)
11:06:48 <sar3th> allerdings kann man da nicht posten
11:07:18 <maki_33> scheins kommt das automatisch rein wenn man 1. der ersteller ist und 2. der betreff "bug" enthält. so hab ichs verstanden
11:07:24 <sar3th> ich glaub eher dass das alle forum-topics mit dem titel [Bug] auflistet
11:07:28 <maki_33> http://portableapps.com/node/28749
11:07:30 <sar3th> ja
11:07:32 <maki_33> ja genau
11:07:43 <maki_33> dann passts ja.. priiima
11:08:23 <sar3th> yup
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21:18:57 <pa_6991> My 4gb hard drivve says it only has 699mb on it?
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21:54:45 <GizmoBot> ptmb knows a lot about HTML+CSS, besides that, he is just a lunatic...
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23:15:40 <flyback> whew, looks like most modern atm machines will auto suck in the card after 30 seconds if someone forget their card :)
23:15:52 <kAlug> Hey ChrisMorgan!
23:17:02 <ChrisMorgan> flyback: "atm machines"? What does the M in ATM stand for?
23:17:17 <ChrisMorgan> gleetings kAlug
23:17:17 <kAlug> flyback: One of them almost locked a R$ 40 deposit of mine a few days ago.
23:17:33 * flyback wonders why he wasn't called since it was 2 days ago
23:17:48 <ChrisMorgan> kAlug: what do you think of renaming [PersistentData] to [EnvironmentLast]?
23:19:48 <kAlug> IDK... it makes me think that it's used to get the last value of an environment variable.
23:20:03 <kAlug> But the value is in fact arbitrary.
23:20:28 <kAlug> BTW, have you saw this? http://portableapps.com/node/29001#comment-182717
23:21:26 <kAlug> It's "did you saw", isn't?
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23:21:56 <sar3th> "did you see this"
23:25:07 <kAlug> sar3th: Thanks. I studied past tenses <3 months ago. And I'm already forgetting it.
23:27:02 <sar3th> yw
23:30:40 <kAlug> I forgot I was going to make TeXLive portable.
23:48:25 <ChrisMorgan> kAlug: we use "last" in "last drive" etc. When you say "to get the last value of an environment variable", do you mean the state of it before running the launcher, rather than the value last time it was run?
23:48:58 <kAlug> As in LastDrive.
23:51:51 <kAlug> Yeah, it does have a point.
23:53:07 <kAlug> ChrisMorgan: But why do you want to change it?
23:54:19 <ChrisMorgan> I don't really like the name PersistentData (or whatever it was that I suggested earlier - I've forgotten). And it's doing just what Environment is, only for the value of the variable in the previous run.