IRC Log from 2011-08-26

00:03:42 <kAlug> [EnvironmentLast] sounds a bit odd for me (but I'm not a native English speaker; buffalo buffalo sounds odd too).
00:06:14 <kAlug> I wonder why does the chat room stays so quiet...
00:09:24 <kAlug> ChrisMorgan: please check the discussion I linked to.
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02:07:00 <kAlug> Hey JohnTHaller!
02:07:06 <JohnTHaller> hola kAlug
02:08:17 <kAlug> Did you get my email? The one from 3 days ago?
02:08:44 <JohnTHaller> Always assume I need you to refresh my memory :)
02:09:36 <kAlug> Small changes to the app template v2.2.
02:10:06 <JohnTHaller> 1 min
02:12:19 <kAlug> BTW, here are the options I have for TeX Live: http://i.imgur.com/1AP56.jpg
02:12:33 <JohnTHaller> How big is full scheme?
02:13:25 <kAlug> 2756MB. I think I'll ask in the forums, maybe someone more experienced with TeX can help.
02:14:28 <JohnTHaller> kAlug: I don't think we're planning on updating the Other\Source\readme.txt for individual apps because we want to be able to overwrite them with new launcher help files when/if options are added, etc. We wanted to keep it generic.
02:14:43 <JohnTHaller> wow, that's huge
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02:14:58 <JohnTHaller> (that's what she said_
02:15:03 <JohnTHaller> ... sorry... long day :)
02:15:06 <DannyMuniz> lol
02:15:16 <DannyMuniz> i know i mist something
02:15:26 <JohnTHaller> (10:12:03 PM) JohnTHaller: wow, that's huge
02:15:39 <JohnTHaller> (10:10:45 PM) kAlug: 2756MB. I think I'll ask in the forums, maybe someone more experienced with TeX can help.
02:15:43 <DannyMuniz> lol
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02:16:24 <DannyMuniz> JohnTHaller: hey you getting ready for Irene?
02:17:31 <DannyMuniz> check the possible path's. http://www.cnn.com/interactive/hurricane.tracker/
02:17:54 <JohnTHaller> Yeah. They're shutting down the subways on Saturday. We're not in a possible evacuation zone. Gonna stock up, tape the windows, etc, depending on how bad it is.
02:18:13 <JohnTHaller> Tornadoes a couple months ago. Earthquake a few days ago. Now a hurricane.
02:18:33 <DannyMuniz> what sucks here ist that i dont get pay till the 1st
02:18:48 <DannyMuniz> and i have 15' windows
02:19:05 <JohnTHaller> where are ya?
02:19:53 <DannyMuniz> in Downtown area
02:19:57 <JohnTHaller> Ah. It should be down to a moderate tropical storm by then, so hopefully you'll be ok. We went through Gloria in CT back in the 80s with 11 downed trees but our front bay window fine.
02:20:27 <DannyMuniz> yea hopefully it will die out a bit
02:20:45 <JohnTHaller> We're supposed to get a cat 1 or 2 at this point. Hoping the former.
02:21:19 <kAlug> Hmm. I think I saw something related...
02:21:39 <kAlug> From SciAm: Can Hurricanes Be Controlled?
02:21:54 <DannyMuniz> yeah i hear you
02:22:12 <JohnTHaller> The subways in NYC can't handle all the water, so shutting them down is a good idea.
02:22:24 <JohnTHaller> Background: http://gizmodo.com/5834510/new-yorks-subway-may-not-survive-nicole-irene
02:22:25 <DannyMuniz> well theoretacly you can by seeding the clouds with Ionick waves and so on
02:23:54 <kAlug> It involves Chaos Theory. http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/2011/08/25/can-hurricanes-be-controlled/
02:24:28 <kAlug> But you would need to change it on its beginning.
02:24:49 <JohnTHaller> Could be possible in the future
02:25:17 <DannyMuniz> it has been test in the past but it is very riscky
02:25:49 <kAlug> The problem is, you simply don't know where you're sending it to.
02:26:44 <kAlug> Unless you're in the NUMB3RS universe ;-)
02:26:53 <DannyMuniz> not realy, the problem is that if you lose control to it you caould make it stronger or completely unstable, not that a storm is stable but it could make things wores
02:26:57 <DannyMuniz> lol
02:27:31 <JohnTHaller> It could become Hurricane Uber or something
02:28:20 <DannyMuniz> thunders is getting louder and i have to take the dog out for his last walk and the rain has not stop for some time
02:28:26 <kAlug> I always wondered what would happen if you nuked a hurricane.
02:28:49 <JohnTHaller> It would mutate. Zombie Hurricane.
02:28:59 <DannyMuniz> nice
02:29:27 <kAlug> Maybe Hurricanezilla.
02:30:06 <DannyMuniz> ok i have go thunder is getting worse
02:30:12 <DannyMuniz> night all
02:30:24 <kAlug> Gnight.
02:30:26 <JohnTHaller> gnight DannyMuniz. Good luck this weekend
02:30:32 <DannyMuniz> yea you too
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02:31:38 <kAlug> Back to the app template: we can 1) use NSIS' ${ReplaceInFile}. 2) Readme.txt can be changed to point the user to the value of AppInfo.ini\[Details]:AppID.
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02:34:34 <JohnTHaller> True. I could just have the installer do the find and replace as it is compiled. Or the launcher generator.
02:34:55 <JohnTHaller> Launcher generator makes more sense. Let's put it there and not have the user touch it.
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02:37:11 <kAlug> Yeo. Eventually the Generator will be merged in PADT, then...
02:46:49 <kAlug> But then I suddenly realized that it makes more sense in the Installer. After all, it's mainly a file for the user (and distribution), not the developer.
02:48:26 <JohnTHaller> If done as part of the generator, though, then the dev is able to look at it and know it's been done. I was thinking of putting it in the installer for now (since I'm about to update in the next week) but we should get it into the generator too.
02:48:36 <kAlug> BTW JohnTHaller: I saw something about Installer 2.1 in the Outdated Apps thread a few days ago. Are you still working on it?
02:49:15 <JohnTHaller> Yup
02:49:35 <JohnTHaller> NSISu update, new languages and finishing up the multilingual URL handling for live FF etc installs
02:54:17 <kAlug> It's an one-liner in the Generator, but in the Installer...
02:54:36 <JohnTHaller> One-liner as well. Maybe 3 tops
02:59:46 <kAlug> I see. Now I understand why does the Launcher have a ReplaceInFileWithTextReplace.nsh file.
03:01:32 <kAlug> And the Chrome Portable releases reminded me of updating CrPortable's homepage :-t
03:02:08 <JohnTHaller> fun fun
03:05:01 <kAlug> One new file and we have... homepage, changelog, atom feed and PAD all updated.
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03:12:05 <gluxon> Every time I look in the channel, it's always John and kAlug talking :-/
03:12:33 <JohnTHaller> AHHH. Someone else said something. *run run run(
03:14:16 <kAlug> .tell GordCaswell: (http://portableapps.com/node/29001#comment-182732) "I'll try to explain better on irc later.". I think I got it but please do explain. Even if I'm away/offline I'll check the logs later.
03:14:16 <GizmoBot> kAlug: I'll pass that on when GordCaswell is around.
03:14:37 <gluxon> JohnTHaller: You seem a bit giddy today. Anything good happen? :)
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03:15:22 <JohnTHaller> First day without any hint of migraine (knock on wood) in like a week. Getting apps updated. Working on a partnering thing. Prepping the fundraiser.
03:15:50 <kAlug> GizmoBot: You meant, when he write something (what not always happens).
03:16:57 * kAlug prefers MemoServ
03:19:48 <gluxon> Glad to hear. I didn't know you suffered from migraine though..
03:20:54 <JohnTHaller> i didn't use to. it started a few years ago, likely due to stress. i only get them occasionally. this one was a doozy. thought it was better on monday and went to the gym... for 2 mins and it was back.
03:23:46 <kAlug> JohnTHaller: do you know something about open-source licenses (excepting GPL)?
03:24:11 <JohnTHaller> yeah, what are you wondering about?
03:28:51 <kAlug> Well, I've been working on web apps that automate the Test Releases and Beta Testing (and maybe even h3lp.html) while PADT doesn't have something like that. I'm thinking on licensing the code under the Artistic License 2.0.
03:30:06 <kAlug> I wanted to know what do you think about that license.
03:30:48 <kAlug> (I had a more objective question in mind, but I forgot it...)
03:32:33 <JohnTHaller> I'm not as familiar with it as it's mostly a Perl-specific license. 2.0 did seem to add GPL compatibility, though.
03:37:57 <kAlug> Well, at least it's surely an improvement over zlib/libpng license :-S
03:45:42 <gluxon> kAlug: Just wondering. What's making you choose Artistic License 2.0 over GPL?
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03:48:46 <DannyMuniz> well the storm here is some what gon
03:49:22 <kAlug> IDK, Perhaps the size (or the wording), perhaps the viral part, perhaps the fact you need to host the whole source code. I can even be infringing the GPL right now by uploading to SourceForge only the patches for Chromium Portable!
03:51:09 <kAlug> OT: It was incredibly hard to find a pastebin that supports CoffeeScript. I think I'm going to shutdown http://kalug.net/p/.
03:51:59 <JohnTHaller> whats a coffescript
03:52:57 <kAlug> "CoffeeScript is a little language that compiles into JavaScript."
03:53:25 <JohnTHaller> ah
03:54:41 <kAlug> It leads to quick (and confusing) coding: http://dumpz.org/79378/
03:55:57 <kAlug> The @_ methods are for case-insensitive keys.
03:58:28 <JohnTHaller> looks fun... heh
03:58:39 <DannyMuniz> JohnTHaller: you should modd ListaryPortable launcher to support regitry that way people can use the pro version. example:http://kalug.net/p/1008/
03:58:59 <JohnTHaller> DannyMuniz: It appears the keys are hardware locked once registered.
03:59:14 <JohnTHaller> I tried it with the Giveaway of the day key and it failed
03:59:39 <DannyMuniz> i have been using it with that one and it works properly for me
03:59:55 <JohnTHaller> It failed for me on both Win7 and XP
04:00:07 <DannyMuniz> i use it on xp win 7 and vista
04:00:12 <JohnTHaller> weird
04:00:14 <DannyMuniz> that is odd
04:00:39 <JohnTHaller> I had the same thought when that key came out, but I was disappointed. Because the code to add it is very easy.
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04:01:15 <DannyMuniz> did you delete the original key from the computer once i got the key
04:02:05 <DannyMuniz> i could send you my listary to check it
04:02:13 <kAlug> Well, gotta sleep now. Tomorrow I'll need to rewrite the whole JavaScript I created for that web apps to make them work with this.
04:02:13 <kAlug> BTW JohnTHaller: both the Beta Testing and Test Release posts require more info that's on AppInfo.ini. I'd like to know if I can put additional sections on that file (perhaps naming them e.g. [-X-*Something*]).
04:03:18 <JohnTHaller> Not really. What else do you need?
04:15:33 <kAlug> Then maybe I should keep that extra data as comments. After all, it's only for automation. These are all the variable data used in the posts: http://dumpz.org/79381/ (if ChrisMorgan wants to put these features in PADT, he will need them too).
04:15:55 <kAlug> Gnight.
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07:02:18 <DannyMuniz> this would be a greate program to have if was not a .Net program http://earthalerts.manyjourneys.com/
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07:10:21 <david_pi> so how do i become admin
07:16:31 <TPFC-SYSTEM> Excuse me? Are you trolling?
07:23:51 <david_pi> no really, i want to be admin
07:24:25 <DannyMuniz> Sorry but only trusted personel is given that right
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09:24:19 <DannyMuniz> lol kAlug you have to show up when im going to bed, I guess we have to a shift at some point
09:25:22 <DannyMuniz> well im off to bed now
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12:59:09 <NikYas> Can anyone help me?
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14:03:25 <GizmoBot> Gizmokid2005 is the developer of KVIrc Portable: http://g2k5.us/4j and Songbird Portable: http://g2k5.us/4k
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14:17:20 <pa_3637> hello , please can I download Firefox 5 portable ? v6 is incompatible with my plugins :-(
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14:45:07 <GizmoBot> agdurrette is awesome! nuff said.
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15:30:49 <pa_4510> hello, portablesapps are not upgraded with KeePass 2.x?
15:34:28 <benedikt93> pa_4510, see http://portableapps.com/node/19705
15:36:00 <pa_4510> I understand.. but the release of this post is dated from June 23, 2009
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15:36:17 <pa_4510> probably some work during 2 years?
15:39:25 <benedikt93> this post is constantly updated, so I expect the information there to be up to date
15:41:19 <pa_4510> ok thanks.
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20:03:09 <GizmoBot> ptmb knows a lot about HTML+CSS, besides that, he is just a lunatic...
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21:49:49 <kAlug> .tell JohnTHaller "We'll have our slides from OSCON 2011 up soon" - just in the case you forgot them
21:49:49 <GizmoBot> kAlug: I'll pass that on when JohnTHaller is around.
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22:10:58 <JC> i cannot download the apps off the website for some reason idk why
22:15:07 <JC> help
22:15:08 <GizmoBot> JC: Welcome to the PortableApps.com official chatroom. Ask your question and someone should be able to help you shortly. If you still don't get an answer, try posting on the forums: http://portableapps.com/forums
22:15:36 <JC> i cannot download the apps off the website for some reason idk why
22:16:08 <JC> any one know why or how to fix it
22:17:28 <JC> ??
22:18:19 <JC> gtg
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22:56:38 <gluxon> Perhaps we should have Gizmobot ping active members when someone says "help" ...
22:58:18 <DannyMuniz> gluxon: i agree with you
22:59:01 <gluxon> Gizmokid2005: Good idea, bad? ^^^
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