IRC Log from 2011-09-12
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00:09:53 <kAlug> ChrisMorgan: A few days ago you asked me about changing [PersistentData]. I got two other suggestions: [Persistence] and [LastRun].
00:10:36 <ChrisMorgan> It's all about environment variables, though, which is why I'm suggesting having "Environment" in it somewhere.
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00:13:05 <kAlug> What about [PersistentEnvironment]?
00:17:04 <ChrisMorgan> Definitely better. I'm not quite sure about the "persistent" bit, though, insofar as what we're really dealing with is the value from the last run; what do you think of LastEnvironment or LastRunEnvironment?
00:18:54 <kAlug> [LastRunEnvironment] would be my next suggestion :)
00:20:26 <ChrisMorgan> OK, how about we go with that.
00:23:00 <kAlug> Fine. I also need to add a warning on the docs.
00:23:23 <kAlug> Do you want to take a look on the UTF-16 FEIP too?
00:27:16 <ChrisMorgan> Make your policy "commit first, review later", I think.
00:28:25 <ChrisMorgan> Do you have any objections to releasing 2.2 very soon and shifting to a more rapid release cycle (one or two features rather than a bigger lump - but still feature, not time, based)?
00:28:58 <kAlug> Is just that... it will be a performance bottleneck.
00:29:33 <kAlug> Checking for UTF-16 on every call.
00:30:58 <kAlug> I was wondering if we should move the Custom segment from the Init hook to after Core, DriveLetter, etc.
00:50:33 <ChrisMorgan> kAlug: how does http://pastebin.com/0kdUCqr4 look for the release notes?
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00:54:16 <kAlug> "would cause local data of the first entry"... of [DirectoriesMove]
00:54:32 <kAlug> Also, the bug link is wrong.
00:55:52 <kAlug> It's http://portableapps.com/node/29043
01:05:35 <ChrisMorgan> Whoops. Fixed link.
01:05:59 <ChrisMorgan> How about 'the first entry in the section'?
01:06:53 <kAlug> "in the former (section)"?
01:07:51 <ChrisMorgan> Think I'll go with 'in the section ([DirectoriesMove] or [FilesMove])'
01:08:25 <kAlug> "in the [DirectoriesMove] section"
01:09:15 <ChrisMorgan> Does it not apply to FilesMove as well?
01:09:57 <ChrisMorgan> As far as I can see they're both dealing with that bit of data in the same way.
01:10:36 <kAlug> No. I fixed it in there as a precaution.
01:11:03 <kAlug> BTW, you may want to point to the IRC logs too.
01:11:51 <ChrisMorgan> So /why/ doesn't it crop up with FilesMove?
01:12:46 <ChrisMorgan> Anyway, I'll just drop all mention of FilesMove if that's the case.
01:13:08 <kAlug> [FilesMove] gets processed first. This bug is very specific: "<JohnTHaller> Ok, so it happens only when both FilesMove and DirectoriesMove is used. And only when the last FilesMove is to inside the package and the first DirectoriesMove is to, say, the local APPDATA."
01:13:59 <ChrisMorgan> Oh, yes, that makes sense. I hadn't been able to think quite why it happened, but that's better.
01:15:35 <ChrisMorgan> I've run out of time now to release it, so I'll release it when I get home, and then quickly check all our officially released apps to see if any will experience the issue and so need a revision.
01:17:46 <ChrisMorgan> I need to make PADT so it can read UTF-16LE INI files... and release PADT 1.0 Alpha 2...
01:18:00 <ChrisMorgan> Sorry I've been delaying it all again...
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06:46:22 <pa_3353> Hello!
06:49:18 <pa_3353> help
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06:50:08 <pa_3353> nick Wild Pointer
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06:52:25 <WildPointer> Hello!
06:53:02 <WildPointer> Кто-нибудь по русски говорит здесь?
06:54:11 <WildPointer> Вообщем попробую тогда по на русском задать вопрос для начала.
06:55:05 <WildPointer> Хотелось бы увидеть некоторый программы в списке портативных: Blumind или FreeMind
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07:04:05 <Dennis_> help! just downloaded the suite (1.6.1)... it says "This application has failed to start because the application configuration is incorrect. Reinstalling the application..." What's wrong here? Thx.
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12:49:40 <kAlug> ChrisMorgan: WRT PAL 2.2, there are only three things on the TODO list: update the UAC plugin, fix that wildcard bug (no one else reported it, so I think we can dismiss it), and "fix environment in admin".
12:50:30 <ChrisMorgan> I think we should just release 2.2 as it is and tackle the last one (and possibly do the UAC plugin update) later.
12:50:34 <kAlug> Post-PAL 2.2, I think a rapid release cycle would be benefical too.
12:51:28 <kAlug> Yeah, the last one is marked as "(possibly 2.3)".
12:53:20 <kAlug> What do you think about moving the Custom segment in the Init hook to after Core, DriveLetter, etc.?
12:56:18 <ChrisMorgan> I'd like to have time to think about it... at some point... and review how it's used.
12:59:08 <ChrisMorgan> I was thinking, yet again, as I prepared my lunch today, about how to implement testing in PAL in a useful way. And I finally came up with a solution, which I plan to start implementing after 2.2.
13:00:50 <kAlug> Hmm... my time is over. Bye (I'll check the logs later, if you want to continue explaining it ;) ).
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13:01:09 <ChrisMorgan> I'll skip on it. Goodnight!
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14:17:56 <pa_5040> i want to install dropbox on my portable flash drive how do I do that?
14:19:19 <Gizmokid2005> pa_5040: there is no portable version of Dropbox yet.
14:19:22 <Gizmokid2005> so you can't.
14:19:48 <ZachThibeau> and it hooks into the windows shell, anything that does that can't be safely portablized without screwing up explorer
14:19:54 <pa_5040> but can't i run the app from portable apps on my PC? the problem is my work computer cannot install other apps on it.
14:20:22 <pa_5040> i do not have admin rights to install dropbox directly. but i can run apps from flash drives
14:20:45 <ZachThibeau> and generally requires administrative permissions too so if you are on a guest account then you can't really run it if I recall correctly about how dropbox functions
14:20:49 <Gizmokid2005> that may be the case, but there's no way to run DropBox portably as our other apps run currently.
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16:07:46 <jkernsjr> Hello all! I am trying to run update today and am getting the error "Unable to connect to PortableApps.com...[File Open Error]. Any ideas?
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